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Fior
Hi, i was reading about galaxy formation and need some help in understanding.

When will the Last Galaxy be created?..are the Newest (detected) Galaxies part of an ongoing process, or is there is definate Closure to their Existence/Creation. And are there more or 'less' Galaxies being created at this present epoch?..or was there a definate period of 'MASS-CREATION' (I mean this to be many, not aka..mass ), expansion and creation of Galaxies are part of a correlated function of an inflationary backreaction?


Thank you.
Harry Costas
G'day from the land of ozzzzzz

The is no end to galaxy evolution.

The jet matter that is ejected from the centre of large galaxies reforms galaxies near and far. Than you have the merging of small and larger galaxies making larger galaxies that seed star formation and the evolution continues.
Grumpy
Fior

Galaxies form from huge gas clouds. Smaller galaxies merge to form bigger ones. If there are any gas clouds left that have not formed galaxies yet, then galaxies can continue to form And there is no end to galaxy evolution, but there is a finite supply of gas clouds large enough to form them. Most galaxies that could form have already done so. The present Universe is qualitatively different from what it was in the beginning, the density of matter is orders of magnitude lower than it was then, so galaxy formation today is orders of magnitude less likely than it was then.

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Latrosicarius
Well, after the big bang, when temperatures cooled enough to allow for the formation of matter from energy, i suppose most of it would have been in the form of hydrogen. Possibly the occasional combination of nuclei into helium, simply due to the high temperatures and speeds at which the matter may have been traveling.

My general thinking would be that most of this original interstellar dust would have started gravitationally coalescing relatively soon, and within the first million years or so, much of it would have already been taken up into primordial stellar bodies (gas giants & stars).

It might be possible that entire galaxies of solar systems could have been formed from the same large gas accretion disks in the same way that individual suns and planets are formed on the solar-system level. It would explain why mostly all stars rotate in the same way (but I'm sure there are other explanations as well).

So as time passed, galaxies would have become more discrete as they continued to travel in their own directions. So, while it's certainly true that galaxies can recycle and merge and diverge and so forth, I don't believe any "new" galaxies can form as they originally did, since there is no longer virgin distributions of mostly homogeneous gas.
Harry Costas
G'day


Galaxy creation occur from the simple priciple of clustering of particles in space.

Another is from the seed of matter from giant black holes found in the centre of clusters of galaxies that eject huge amounts of matter reforming galaxies near and far.

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2006/3c273/

http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/00_releas...0600_3c273.html

http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/06_releas...ess_040606.html

http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/03_releas...ess_111703.html

The blowtorch jet in the radio galaxy NGC 6251
http://www.astr.ua.edu/keel/agn/ngc6251.html

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One important lesson from radio galaxies is that the central engine continues to eject material in nearly the same direction for at least several million years, based on the fact that the tiny parsec-scale jets in the core regions point in the same direction as the very extended radio structure which may stretch several million light-years (and thus took at least that many years to form). The nearby radio galaxy NGC 6251 is an excellent example. The largest structures are seen in a map made with the Westerbork Synthesis Array Telescope in the Netherlands, which can map somewhat larger objects than the VLA, working in this case at a wavelength of 49 cm. This image spans almost a full degree (56 arcminutes) east-to-west. Closing in toward the nucleus are two maps made with the VLA at 20 centimeters wavelengths, showing the extraordinary straight and narrow jet feeding toward the northwest radio lobe, spanning 308 and 188 arcseconds. Finally, the innermost core is shown in a VLBI map with a resolution of only 3 milliarcseconds (0.003 arcsecond), showing that knots are still moving outward from the nucleus in nearly the same direction. The VLA and VLBI maps have been rotated to make the jet horizontal for convenience. The WSRT map shows the faint counterjet opposite the bright jet; its weakness may indicate that the jet is in relativistic motion more or less toward us, so that Doppler boosting makes it appear dramatically brighter than its counterpart.



Monstrous Black Hole Blast in the Core of a Galaxy Cluster
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2006/ms0735/
Harry Costas
G'day Yriaf

Cosmology is fantastic, sometimes you feel like a mushroom being fed BS. So! after years of reading, I now know how little I know and feel part of the never ending story.

The majic is underatnding the phases of matter from normal matter to condensed matter such as Neutron Matter, Quark Matter, Neutrino matter and so on. The plot thickens.

SIDOLOGY
Its breathtaking isn't it?
x5s1te
Hello.


I am looking for any reading material regarding this topic. So far i have come across forum discussions and just whats on wikipedia, but i am after some more. I realise a lot of the articles published in journals are a bit beyond my scope, so what kind of reading would anyone here recommend?
O_o
Galaxies are continually created from the centre's of the giant 'black holes' in the centre of galaxies like the one similar to ours.
Harry Costas
G'day

As for more in formation try Google, ADS and arXiv science papers. If you need direct information just ask.


Hello 00 you make simple posts and yet to the point.

What you say is part of the process of seeding new galaxies.

Great movie
http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2007/3c43...438_anim_sm.mov

Galaxy Cluster Takes It to the Extreme
http://chandra.harvard.edu/press/07_releas...ess_053007.html

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2002/0146/
Centaurus Cluster:
Vast Hot Gas Plume May Be A Passing Attraction

http://chandra.harvard.edu/photo/2000/0131/
3C273:
Chandra Observes Cosmic Traffic Pile-Up In Energetic Quasar Jet


Geoff Mollusc
QUOTE (Harry Costas+Jun 18 2009, 10:43 AM)
The majic is underatnding

blink.gif "holy 'tardation, Batman."
AlexG
QUOTE (O_o+Aug 15 2009, 05:42 AM)
Galaxies are continually created from the centre's of the giant 'black holes' in the centre of galaxies like the one similar to ours.

No, they're not.
Geoff Mollusc
QUOTE (SIDOLOGY+Jun 28 2009, 09:39 AM)
Its breathtaking isn't it?

Certainly is. I find it veratibly amazing that Harry Costas and O_o can actually operate a PC keyboard - fuckingly stunning stuff for sub-algae lifeforms.

"Truth is stranger than fiction" blink.gif








Harry Costas
G'day

We have some smart cookies here who disagree.

May be they can give us a great explanation.
O_o
When Einstein solved his equations for a completely collapsing star he did not accept the result. He did not believe in black hole even then. He actually tried to make the star rebound from the collapse
Harry Costas
G'day O O

you said

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When Einstein solved his equations for a completely collapsing star he did not accept the result. He did not believe in black hole even then. He actually tried to make the star rebound from the collapse


Please keep on explaining.
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