My problem is simple. How can we (on Earth) be so far from objects said to be billions of light years away? If the light from these distant stars traveled at the speed of light and took even a billion years to reach us, how could the mass of earth and the mass of the star traveling at considerably less speed away from eachother, become so distant. Seems to me, those who believe we're getting close to seeing the edge of the universe must believe objects with mass can travel at the speed of the light emmitted by them.
get it? Am I explaining the problem?
peace
G'day meanmike
To understand the reality of the universe you may need to read through some papers on this link
http://www.cosmology.info/newsletter/2008.10.htm
If you understand science than let science lead you.
If you do not understand science than you will need to trust someone who may lead you in the right direction.
Regardless keep reading and one day it will click.
To understand the reality of the universe you may need to read through some papers on this link
http://www.cosmology.info/newsletter/2008.10.htm
If you understand science than let science lead you.
If you do not understand science than you will need to trust someone who may lead you in the right direction.
Regardless keep reading and one day it will click.
QUOTE (meanmike+May 30 2009, 02:55 AM)
My problem is simple. How can we (on Earth) be so far from objects said to be billions of light years away? If the light from these distant stars traveled at the speed of light and took even a billion years to reach us, how could the mass of earth and the mass of the star traveling at considerably less speed away from eachother, become so distant. Seems to me, those who believe we're getting close to seeing the edge of the universe must believe objects with mass can travel at the speed of the light emmitted by them.
get it? Am I explaining the problem?
peace
Nothing with mass can move THROUGH SPACE at the speed of light. But the expansion does not consist of objects moving through space, it consists of more space being created between the objects. Thus the apparent speed of seperation can reach and exceed c, but the objects themselves are not moving through space at those velocities.
get it? Am I explaining the problem?
peace
Nothing with mass can move THROUGH SPACE at the speed of light. But the expansion does not consist of objects moving through space, it consists of more space being created between the objects. Thus the apparent speed of seperation can reach and exceed c, but the objects themselves are not moving through space at those velocities.
QUOTE (AlexG+May 30 2009, 06:05 PM)
Nothing with mass can move THROUGH SPACE at the speed of light. But the expansion does not consist of objects moving through space, it consists of more space being created between the objects. Thus the apparent speed of seperation can reach and exceed c, but the objects themselves are not moving through space at those velocities.
More space being created by objects????
..........doubledimbfuck!
More space being created by objects????
..........doubledimbfuck!
QUOTE (Geoff Mollusc+May 30 2009, 01:41 PM)
More space being created by objects???? ..........doubledimbfuck!
No A$$hole, more space being created between objects.
The words 'by' and 'between' both start with the letter b. That's all they have in common.
Learn how to read schmuck.
..........doubledimbfuck! No A$$hole, more space being created between objects.
The words 'by' and 'between' both start with the letter b. That's all they have in common.
Learn how to read schmuck.
If you take 300,000kps and divide by 71kps, you get 4225 mps. Objects that are at a distance of 4225 mps are moving away from us at the speed of light.
At one time this was called the Hubble Horizon and was considered the distance beyond our ability to see objects. Current observations have shown that there is no limit of observation all the way back to the Big Bang.
The transition of all objects from the Big Bang is outward from the Big Bang in all directions, is at, and limited by the speed of light. The transition is not a spatial transition. The redshift of all objects in all directions shows that the transition outward from the Big Bang is not a spatial direction. The magnitude of the rate of expansion of distant objects indicates that the rate of transition outward from the Big Bang is equal to the speed of light.
The time dimension and the dimension of transition of object outward from the Big Bang are one and the same.
At one time this was called the Hubble Horizon and was considered the distance beyond our ability to see objects. Current observations have shown that there is no limit of observation all the way back to the Big Bang.
The transition of all objects from the Big Bang is outward from the Big Bang in all directions, is at, and limited by the speed of light. The transition is not a spatial transition. The redshift of all objects in all directions shows that the transition outward from the Big Bang is not a spatial direction. The magnitude of the rate of expansion of distant objects indicates that the rate of transition outward from the Big Bang is equal to the speed of light.
The time dimension and the dimension of transition of object outward from the Big Bang are one and the same.
PhysOrg scientific forums are totally dedicated to science, physics, and technology. Besides topical forums such as nanotechnology, quantum physics, silicon and III-V technology, applied physics, materials, space and others, you can also join our news and publications discussions. We also provide an off-topic forum category. If you need specific help on a scientific problem or have a question related to physics or technology, visit the PhysOrg Forums. Here you’ll find experts from various fields online every day.
To quit out of "lo-fi" mode and return to the regular forums, please click here.