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Darren
Hi All,

Some thoughts occurred to me, it seems the magic or limit to measure towards infinity ends up being a product in QM, via the uncertainty principle and again in relativity space time is the other unkown product.

Is there a special plug in and go theory that one can plug in and join the two products up?

Cheers
Darren
Wulf
QUOTE (Darren+Jul 3 2007, 07:25 PM)
Hi All,

Some thoughts occurred to me, it seems the magic or limit to measure towards infinity ends up being a product in QM, via the uncertainty principle and again in relativity space time is the other unkown product.

Is there a special plug in and go theory that one can plug in and join the two products up?

Cheers
Darren

I think studyign the source of this uncertainty might end up being the key to unification. Instead of explaining it, use it to explain everything else.

It has been shown that gravity can be described, and more importantly explained, in terms of vacuum fluctuations. And I suspect that a lot more can be explained in by looking at things in terms of the vacuum.

RealityCheck
QUOTE (Wulf+Jul 4 2007, 02:14 AM)
I think studyign the source of this uncertainty might end up being the key to unification.  Instead of explaining it, use it to explain everything else.

It has been shown that gravity can be described, and more importantly explained, in terms of vacuum fluctuations.  And I suspect that a lot more can be explained in by looking at things in terms of the vacuum.



Excellent insights, Wulf!

Excellent!

PS: And what a boon it would be if while we're at it we COULD somehow end up explaining it too!

Good thinkin' 99! (or the male equivalent if you are male!....from the TV SITCOM 'spy' series: "Get Smart!").

RC.
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Wulf
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Jul 4 2007, 12:09 AM)


Excellent insights, Wulf!

Excellent!

PS: And what a boon it would be if while we're at it we COULD somehow end up explaining it too!

Good thinkin' 99! (or the male equivalent if you are male!).

RC.
.

Here are a couple good papers on the subject.

http://www.journaloftheoretics.com/Links/Papers/BS-GR.pdf

http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0501011

I'm still gathering info, but I like what I've seen so far. It is nice to find formal descriptions that support your ideas. Let me know if you like these and I'll hunt down some more for you..
Lalbatros
Wulf,

Could you give me some reference about this:

QUOTE
It has been shown that gravity can be described, and more importantly explained, in terms of vacuum fluctuations.


Thanks
Wulf
QUOTE (Lalbatros+Jul 4 2007, 12:26 AM)
Wulf,

Could you give me some reference about this:



Thanks

Sure thing,

http://www.calphysics.org/articles/gravity_arxiv.pdf

I'll track down a few more for you later. These vacuum models seem to have a lot of potential. It's always bothered me that so little attention is paid to the nature of space. Let me know what you think.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (Wulf+Jul 4 2007, 03:14 AM)
I think studyign the source of this uncertainty might end up being the key to unification.  Instead of explaining it, use it to explain everything else.

If you're refering to the Uncertainty Principle then it comes from the fact that QM is based up the notion of non-commuting conjugate operators. When you try to measure them simultaneously, the non-commuting contribution (which is classically zero) gets in the way and gives you the uncertainty.
QUOTE (Wulf+Jul 4 2007, 03:14 AM)
It has been shown that gravity can be described, and more importantly explained, in terms of vacuum fluctuations. And I suspect that a lot more can be explained in by looking at things in terms of the vacuum.
They are. The standard approach in both QM and QFT is to find the vacuum of the theory and then to 'raise' particles out of it. It's called a Fock space formulation. While not considered to be all encompassing, it is certainly a powerful approach given it's success.
Wulf
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Jul 4 2007, 12:52 AM)
If you're refering to the Uncertainty Principle then it comes from the fact that QM is based up the notion of non-commuting conjugate operators. When you try to measure them simultaneously, the non-commuting contribution (which is classically zero) gets in the way and gives you the uncertainty.
They are. The standard approach in both QM and QFT is to find the vacuum of the theory and then to 'raise' particles out of it. It's called a Fock space formulation. While not considered to be all encompassing, it is certainly a powerful approach given it's success.

Sorry about the sloppy wording Alpha, I didn't expect this much interest. Take a look at the papers and let me know what you think.
Wulf
Lalbatros and Alphanumeric,

I'm curious what your impressions are after skimming those papers. Any thoughts or objections to the ideas presented??
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