Boneidol
Matt Pants, you said this:

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The formula for a melodic minor scale is W H W W H W* H (W* is an augmented 2nd).

Can you find me one link from anywhere that agrees with you?

Another way of writing your formula is 1 2 b3 4 5 b6 7

Get back when you have found one link that agrees with you.

Whereas I maintain, as I did from the beginning, that the true formula is W H W W W W H, or 1 2 b3 4 5 6 7. I can provide millions of links that agree with me.

Please don't clutter this simple request with other statements. A simple link to justify your formula above will do. Or simply admit you are wrong. I won't think any worse of you. We all make mistakes.
MjolnirPants

You really do have nothing better to do with your time than waste it harping on what you percieve as a mistake on my part.
If you man up to your numerous mistakes, I'll give you the name of the book (hint: it's a music history textbook) which introduced me to the term "true melodic minor".
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Aug 31 2008, 11:35 PM)

You really do have nothing better to do with your time than waste it harping on what you percieve as a mistake on my part.
If you man up to your numerous mistakes, I'll give you the name of the book (hint: it's a music history textbook) which introduced me to the term "true melodic minor".

That's not a link. Send a link to prove that you gave the right formula.
The music world totally disagrees with you. It's not a question of me caring, but more the fact you use a little lie in order to go off on your tangents. Just like you did with that 9:8 and P Comma businness.

Now, let's take it right back to the beginning and just send in a link to prove you are right. And before this turns into another elongated show of Matt's logic, I won't be answering until you do send in a link. Long wait I'm sure.
excaza
Boneidol
QUOTE (excaza+Sep 1 2008, 12:05 AM)

excaza
And yet the world goes on
Boneidol
QUOTE (excaza+Sep 1 2008, 12:10 AM)
And yet the world goes on

You may be missing the point. I've been told how much Mpants wants to stamp out BS information. How he comes here to call out the cranks. Well, he is standing as one man against the music world now by lying about the Melodic Minor scale formula. And the only reason he did so was to create more confusion. I refuse to think a man that has played an instrument as long as he has can actually not know the correct formula for that scale.

And yes, the world moves on. I'll play it the way everyone else does, and spell it the right way, and the one man against the world can get strange looks from other musicians when he plays the wrong scale.

He should admit his lie, but I don't think he is actually man enough, after everything else he has said and tried to do.

I won't be answering you Mpants, unless it is to thank you for providing a link where the Melodic minor scale is spelt W H W W W W* H. You won't be able to, because, as you know, that is what everyone else knows as the Harmonic minor scale. It makes a big difference to how our conversation evolved.
Dr Fred A Wolf
QUOTE (Boneidol+Aug 31 2008, 09:48 PM)
I can provide millions of links that agree with me.

The only links that'd agree with your wrist-action claptrap would be of the missing variety, something in the order of fungus to algae (DavidD fuckdunce material).

Loco whackbeast of the harmonic-rapist type.

All aboard the psycho-train - choo, choo, chuffa, chuffa, fucktard.

Boneidol
QUOTE (Dr Fred A Wolf+Sep 1 2008, 12:24 AM)
The only links that'd agree with your wrist-action claptrap would be of the missing variety, something in the order of fungus to algae (DavidD fuckdunce material).

Loco whackbeast of the harmonic-rapist type.

All aboard the psycho-train - choo, choo, chuffa, chuffa, fucktard.

There are two two word phrases that merit the vocal chord exercise of those that know thy spirit young gerkin anal plugger, and they both end in "off".
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 1 2008, 12:20 AM)
I've been told how much Mpants wants to stamp out BS information.

And yet you continue to spout it...
Give me one reason to think that this argument would go any differently on a music forum, and I'll gladly take it over there.
Man up to your multiple mistakes and I'll give you the title of the textbook I got the phrase "true melodic minor" from.
I've answered every challenge you've set me to thus far.
You've yet to answer even a single challenge I've set you to.
Not once have you done anything to make me think you have any interest in the truth, whatsoever.
With that being said, I simply will not respond to your whiny little 'challenges' anymore.
I've proven my case over and over and over again, and this 'attack' (just like the last one, regarding BDW and the pythagorean comma) hinges upon the assumption that I didn't actually give the very information you deny me having in the very post you keep quoting to try to prove I don't know the difference.

You've moved waaaaay beyond pathetic, Liu. You're downright amusing.
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 1 2008, 12:35 AM)
You really do have nothing better to do with your time than waste it harping on what you percieve as a mistake on my part.

I thought that before I even saw this thread. Whining in this forum seems to be Boneidol's version of 'doing physics'. If he talks about how everyone says he isn't doing physics, he thinks that is 'doing physics'.
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 1 2008, 05:10 AM)
And yet you continue to spout it...
Give me one reason to think that this argument would go any differently on a music forum, and I'll gladly take it over there.
Man up to your multiple mistakes and I'll give you the title of the textbook I got the phrase "true melodic minor" from.
I've answered every challenge you've set me to thus far.
You've yet to answer even a single challenge I've set you to.
Not once have you done anything to make me think you have any interest in the truth, whatsoever.
With that being said, I simply will not respond to your whiny little 'challenges' anymore.
I've proven my case over and over and over again, and this 'attack' (just like the last one, regarding BDW and the pythagorean comma) hinges upon the assumption that I didn't actually give the very information you deny me having in the very post you keep quoting to try to prove I don't know the difference.

You've moved waaaaay beyond pathetic, Liu. You're downright amusing.

Still no link eh? Just more garbage. Send me a link where it confirms what you are saying here:

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The formula for a melodic minor scale is W H W W H W* H (W* is an augmented 2nd).

Becuase yet again, you managed to stop a conversation going in depth, by deliberately making a mis-statement. And that seems to be the way amongst some of you here doesn't it? Sounds fishy.

I'm happy now. All done. You're exposed as a fraud Mpants/BDW/Matt, and anyone that supports you takes part in that. Physorg for guys like you is just an ego game, no caring about the truth. Just pick on someone and twist the knife in slowly.

Perhaps Gmilam would like to confirm I am right about the Melodic Minor. You play guitar don't you Gmilam? Ever play the harmonic and melodic minor scales?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Sep 1 2008, 11:31 AM)
I thought that before I even saw this thread. Whining in this forum seems to be Boneidol's version of 'doing physics'. If he talks about how everyone says he isn't doing physics, he thinks that is 'doing physics'.

I tend to agree. If he'd spent half the time writing about his mirror merkaba as he did whining and 'arguing' (I only hesitate to call it arguing because it contains no actual logic, and very very little in the way of honesty, while most arguments are at least nominally logical), he'd have 12 or 13 volumes of retarded numerology to try to pass off as science by now.
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 02:18 AM)
I tend to agree. If he'd spent half the time writing about his mirror merkaba as he did whining and 'arguing' (I only hesitate to call it arguing because it contains no actual logic, and very very little in the way of honesty, while most arguments are at least nominally logical), he'd have 12 or 13 volumes of retarded numerology to try to pass off as science by now.

Still no link to back up your BS? You're a liar and a fraud.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 11:34 AM)
Still no link to back up your BS? You're a liar and a fraud.

I'm still waiting for you to provide a link that shows that 'retrograde inversion' is synonymous with 'tonal inversion'.

Allow me to respond for you:

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I'm still waiting for you to provide a link that shows that 'retrograde inversion' is synonymous with 'tonal inversion'.

Still no link, you lying fraud hyena jackal bully blah-blah-blah (insert more ad hominems here) blah-blah-blah...

Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 01:59 PM)
I'm still waiting for you to provide a link that shows that 'retrograde inversion' is synonymous with 'tonal inversion'.

Allow me to respond for you:

Still no link, you lying fraud hyena jackal bully blah-blah-blah (insert more ad hominems here) blah-blah-blah...

Well get in touch with this guy that teaches at the university of Adelaide. I'm sure he'd love to hear your version of what a melodic minor scale is. He may then go on to correct his web page, just for you, in the name of truth.

http://www.jazclass.aust.com/lessons/jt/jt20.htm

You must share your revelations far and wide Mpants. Go to the music theory forums and tell them how the Melodic minor scale is according to your spelling - W H W W W W* H. Correct everyone else when they tell you you are wrong.

Or simply admit you purposely gave the wrong formula so you could instigate another endless pointless argument.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 02:22 PM)
Well get in touch with this guy that teaches at the university of Adelaide. I'm sure he'd love to hear your version of what a melodic minor scale is. He may then go on to correct his web page, just for you, in the name of truth.

http://www.jazclass.aust.com/lessons/jt/jt20.htm

You must share your revelations far and wide Mpants. Go to the music theory forums and tell them how the Melodic minor scale is according to your spelling - W H W W W W* H. Correct everyone else when they tell you you are wrong.

Or simply admit you purposely gave the wrong formula so you could instigate another endless pointless argument.

Can you quote where in that link it claims that 'retrograde inversion' is synonymous with 'tonal inversion'?
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 02:38 PM)
Can you quote where in that link it claims that 'retrograde inversion' is synonymous with 'tonal inversion'?

I can quote the bit that makes you a devious liar.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 03:06 PM)
I can quote the bit that makes you a devious liar.

But not the bit that backs up your own hideous mistakes?
Such a shame...
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 03:14 PM)
But not the bit that backs up your own hideous mistakes?
Such a shame...

Here you go Smarty Pants, enrol here and tell them all how wrong they are about a Melodic Minor scale.

http://cnx.org/content/m10856/latest/

MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 03:27 PM)
Here you go Smarty Pants, enrol here and tell them all how wrong they are about a Melodic Minor scale.

http://cnx.org/content/m10856/latest/

Why don't you join and tell them how they're all wrong about what retrograde inversion is?
Or why don't you join and tell them all how you're the first one to truly explore tonal inversion?
Or why don't you join and tell them all how retrograde inversion was invented in the 20th century as a part of "12 tone row theory"?
Or why don't you join and tell them all how 12 perfect fifths vs 7 perfect octaves doesn't produce a pythagorean comma?
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 03:41 PM)
Why don't you join and tell them how they're all wrong about what retrograde inversion is?
Or why don't you join and tell them all how you're the first one to truly explore tonal inversion?
Or why don't you join and tell them all how retrograde inversion was invented in the 20th century as a part of "12 tone row theory"?
Or why don't you join and tell them all how 12 perfect fifths vs 7 perfect octaves doesn't produce a pythagorean comma?

You're a person that lies on purpuse and a crank. Why don't you grow up?

To anyone that knows what you are up to, you are a disgusting little troll. Think
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 03:50 PM)
You're a person that lies on purpuse and a crank. Why don't you grow up?

If by "purpuse", you mean "beds, couches and the occasional sleeping bag", then you're right.

Why don't you man up and admit your mistakes, Liu? You keep harping on me to admit what you think is one of my mistakes, why don't you practice what you preach?

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To anyone that knows what you are up to, you are a disgusting little troll. Think

Ok, I will.
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 03:54 PM)
If by "purpuse", you mean "beds, couches and the occasional sleeping bag", then you're right.

Why don't you man up and admit your mistakes, Liu? You keep harping on me to admit what you think is one of my mistakes, why don't you practice what you preach?

Ok, I will.

Any mistake I make is nothing compared to your willful lies in order to create pointless arguing. And even here, where there is a large percentage of trolls, there are enough that know exactly what I mean.

You've helped turn this place into a joke, with no credibility even in the science world. Don't own up to it, coz you'd be mature if you did. So much for BDW/Mpants, the guy that can't stand disinfo.

The silence from those who know you have lied is stunning. Gang mentality till the end. So much for integrity amongst your little clan.

Thanks Matt. Through you I realize how lucky I am.

excaza
Only he knows if he's lied or not, champ.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 04:06 PM)
You've helped turn this place into a joke, with no credibility even in the science world. Don't own up to it, coz you'd be mature if you did. So much for BDW/Mpants, the guy that can't stand disinfo.

So why are there actual scientists here? You know, people like Trippy, bm1957, Trout, Euler, AlphaNumeric, mr_homm...
Waitasecond... those people predominantly agree with the sentiments I'v eexpressed here....
Funny, how saying things that scientists agree with somehow destroys my scientific credibility....
I'll tell you what. Publish just one paper in a peer-reviewed journal of physics and I'll "own up to it".

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Still waitin on yours.
Boneidol
QUOTE (excaza+Sep 2 2008, 04:08 PM)
Only he knows if he's lied or not, champ.

Aren't you the guy who followed me about insisting I answer Mpants questions? Why don't you insist he send a link in that verifies his claims about this Melodic Minor. I've sent links in that show him to be lying.

Only you know why your a biased little troll, champ.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 04:17 PM)

Probably because:
1: He saw where I qualified my statement with the sentence you keep purposefully omitting from your quotes. You know, the one where I identified the scale I gave as a harmonic minor?
2: You've yet to respond to even one of the multiple challenges I've issued you, and thus have absolutely no right to expect me to respond to any of yours, despite the fact that with this one exception (which I've actually said I will respond to, given certain prerequisites) I've always done so.
3: given that I've responded to the vast majority of the challenges you've set me to, I have every right to expect you to respond to mine.
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 04:15 PM)
So why are there actual scientists here? You know, people like Trippy, bm1957, Trout, Euler, AlphaNumeric, mr_homm...
Waitasecond... those people predominantly agree with the sentiments I'v eexpressed here....
Funny, how saying things that scientists agree with somehow destroys my scientific credibility....
I'll tell you what. Publish just one paper in a peer-reviewed journal of physics and I'll "own up to it".

Still waitin on yours.

You "owning up to it" should have nothing to do with my success at getting a peer reviewed paper published. A liar is a liar, and you discredit the credibilty of a place by practicing such.

I dare say you are asking these names you mentioned to agree with you? Over your lie that you may "own up to"? I have no doubt some of them would side with you on that, yes. But they'd be throwing their credibilty away. Perhaps that doesn't matter at physorg?

MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 04:23 PM)
You "owning up to it" should have nothing to do with my success at getting a peer reviewed paper published.

Well, considering that my main stance through all of this discussion is that you lack the knowledge neccessary to create a scientific theory, you're wrong.

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A liar is a liar, and you discredit the credibilty of a place by practicing such.

Quote a single lie I've ever told here along with the evidence that falsifies it.

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 QUOTE A liar is a liar, and you discredit the credibilty of a place by practicing such.

Quote a single lie I've ever told here along with the evidence that falsifies it.

I have no doubt some of them would side with you on that, yes. But they'd be throwing their credibilty away. Perhaps that doesn't matter at physorg?

Ahhh yes, we all know AlphaNumeric's PhD thesis will be tossed out as invalid the moment they find he's agreed with me several times.
Boneidol
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Sep 2 2008, 04:22 PM)
Probably because:
1: He saw where I qualified my statement with the sentence you keep purposefully omitting from your quotes. You know, the one where I identified the scale I gave as a harmonic minor?
2: You've yet to respond to even one of the multiple challenges I've issued you, and thus have absolutely no right to expect me to respond to any of yours, despite the fact that with this one exception (which I've actually said I will respond to, given certain prerequisites) I've always done so.
3: given that I've responded to the vast majority of the challenges you've set me to, I have every right to expect you to respond to mine.

You can't run away from this statement you first made:

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The formula for a melodic minor scale is W H W W H W* H (W* is an augmented 2nd).

It's a lie. The only things you do is twist and twist. Until you show the integrity required you can F.Off.

OK, I get the plot with physorg. Nothing worth really getting too wound up about. You want it as a joke, then fine. Little slime balls can collect here and play silly little boy games.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Boneidol+Sep 2 2008, 04:28 PM)
You can't run away from this statement you first made:

But you can run away from your own horendous errors?
TheDoc
QUOTE (Lui+)
It's a lie. The only things you do is twist and twist. Until you show the integrity required you can F.Off.

You challenge him to something, and then you tell him to go away?

Ok....
Boneidol
Don't feed the hyenas: