jal
29th October 2006 - 04:15 PM
Good Day!
QUOTE
Are the clues so much in our face, like our nose, that we no longer look at them?
If those obvious clues are there…. Could they have been noted and passed down to us by our forefathers?
Take a look at the following information and find the common thread that every ancient society have been able to pass down to us.
Remember that the “wise men” were the only ones capable of making up these stories and making sure that the “kernels of wisdom” was included in their stories.
Ask yourself …. “Were they able to deduct the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
“What metaphors could they have used to represent the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
Get ready for a mind blowing trip.
It’s time to meet some “amateurs”
The following links contain a lot of meta-physic, religions, occults, mystics and clues.
Don’t be taken in…. read with a grain of salt ….. look for the metaphors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkabah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_geometry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/god-p...n-pentacle.html http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/tartarospyth.html http://www.worldviewz.net/mathemagics_day2.html http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8gonsowski.html http://dcwilson1.tripod.com/magicsquares.htm http://web.mac.com/paulmartynsmith/iWeb/IChingmath/Home.html http://www.kalarhythms.com/theory/th.dimensions.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_cosmology http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/planetarium/index.htm#15 http://picasaweb.google.com/mhussey/BylisAlbania http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/yinyang.htm http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html http://www.earthquest.co.uk/china/china.html http://www.ignca.nic.in/ks_41019.htm http://www.transoxiana.org/Eran/Articles/kageyama.html http://www.shakuhachi.com/K-9KChineseFlutes-Nature.html http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/index.html http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm HEH…DON’T FORGET TO COME BACK …
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After that trip… you should be able to conclude that quantum geometry/the “SPOT” would find wide acceptance.
The ancestral memory and the symbols of the self dual/double imbedded tetrahedron/ stellated octahedron/, (PLANCK SCALE VOID) have been passed down by the wise men with metaphors.
Have we taken some of the ancient concepts/wisdom and re-named and re-defined them?
Yes…for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition There are many people working on those problems and trying to find WHAT is the cause of those observations.
I believe that the answers to those questions are hidden in the DYNAMICS of a quantum geometric model and the SCALING formulas.
Only EMF can travel in the PLANCK SCALE VOID and they can stay there for only a Planck time and travel only a Planck distance before having “to touch base” with the geometric structure of spacetime.In my opinion, the origin of the discovery of the interlocked tetrahedra goes back farther than the written history.
This shape was probably discovered by a CAVEMAN when he looked inside the packed balls of rabbit droppings and
then figured out that there existed a space that could not be occupied.
THE PLANCK SCALE QUANTUM VOID.The “wise men” wanted this “insight”, “symbol”, to be past on to future generations of “students”.
As a result there are records of this shape going back to early civilization.
When quantum physic finally proves the shape of the “quantum foundation” includes the 2D (merkabah) and the 3D interlocked tetrahedra there will be millions of ordinary people from around the world who will say,
“I knew that!” 
Remember …. :
units, processes, and structures. There were genius in every centuries.
The ancient genius did work on these problems and they did past on their insights/work to future genius.
It is up to us to try to apply our tools to the problems and to try to resolve them.
There are no Da Vinci Codes in their insights/work …
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Are the clues so much in our face, like our nose, that we no longer look at them? |
If those obvious clues are there…. Could they have been noted and passed down to us by our forefathers?
Take a look at the following information and find the common thread that every ancient society have been able to pass down to us.
Remember that the “wise men” were the only ones capable of making up these stories and making sure that the “kernels of wisdom” was included in their stories.
Ask yourself …. “Were they able to deduct the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
“What metaphors could they have used to represent the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
Get ready for a mind blowing trip.
It’s time to meet some “amateurs”
The following links contain a lot of meta-physic, religions, occults, mystics and clues.
Don’t be taken in…. read with a grain of salt ….. look for the metaphors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkabah http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_geometry http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/god-p...n-pentacle.html http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/tartarospyth.html http://www.worldviewz.net/mathemagics_day2.html http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8gonsowski.html http://dcwilson1.tripod.com/magicsquares.htm http://web.mac.com/paulmartynsmith/iWeb/IChingmath/Home.html http://www.kalarhythms.com/theory/th.dimensions.htm http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_cosmology http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/planetarium/index.htm#15 http://picasaweb.google.com/mhussey/BylisAlbania http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/yinyang.htm http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html http://www.earthquest.co.uk/china/china.html http://www.ignca.nic.in/ks_41019.htm http://www.transoxiana.org/Eran/Articles/kageyama.html http://www.shakuhachi.com/K-9KChineseFlutes-Nature.html http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/index.html http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm HEH…DON’T FORGET TO COME BACK …
------------------------------------------
After that trip… you should be able to conclude that quantum geometry/the “SPOT” would find wide acceptance.
The ancestral memory and the symbols of the self dual/double imbedded tetrahedron/ stellated octahedron/, (PLANCK SCALE VOID) have been passed down by the wise men with metaphors.
Have we taken some of the ancient concepts/wisdom and re-named and re-defined them?
Yes…for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition There are many people working on those problems and trying to find WHAT is the cause of those observations.
I believe that the answers to those questions are hidden in the DYNAMICS of a quantum geometric model and the SCALING formulas.
Only EMF can travel in the PLANCK SCALE VOID and they can stay there for only a Planck time and travel only a Planck distance before having “to touch base” with the geometric structure of spacetime.In my opinion, the origin of the discovery of the interlocked tetrahedra goes back farther than the written history.
This shape was probably discovered by a CAVEMAN when he looked inside the packed balls of rabbit droppings and
then figured out that there existed a space that could not be occupied.
THE PLANCK SCALE QUANTUM VOID.The “wise men” wanted this “insight”, “symbol”, to be past on to future generations of “students”.
As a result there are records of this shape going back to early civilization.
When quantum physic finally proves the shape of the “quantum foundation” includes the 2D (merkabah) and the 3D interlocked tetrahedra there will be millions of ordinary people from around the world who will say,
“I knew that!” 
Remember …. :
units, processes, and structures. There were genius in every centuries.
The ancient genius did work on these problems and they did past on their insights/work to future genius.
It is up to us to try to apply our tools to the problems and to try to resolve them.
There are no Da Vinci Codes in their insights/work …
Are the clues so much in our face, like our nose, that we no longer look at them?
The answer is ….YES.
The clues have been gather and published on the WEB by many “amateurs”.-----------------------------------
I’ll have a tub of ice at the door for you to place the beer.
I like my beer to be cool.
See you at the party.

JAL
jal
30th October 2006 - 05:15 PM
Good Day!
(hopefully the smilies will be there to enliven the party)

line
SORCERER

flying bat
You cannot turn back the clock. The WEB is here to stay. Information is being shared.
The “sorcerers” have made their “witching brew formulas” available for all of the “apprentices” and for anyone who cares to search …

sorcerer
There are many different “witching brew formulas” for the “apprentices” to look at.
One school of thought by one “sorcerers” is no longer the way to go.
Let’s add our efforts to the work of the best minds that have ever lived over the thousands of years of recorded history.

bat
The “apprentices” will be driving their “masters” crazy with the competing formulas from the other “masters”.

dragon
Are we capable of completing the work started by the ancients?
Post your “witching brewing formulas” for everyone to see.
Remember… waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensions.

drinking beer
Who knows… maybe the “sorcerers” will enjoy our “witching brewing formulas”.
DUE TO EVERYONE DIFFERENT FRAME OF REFERENCE (DIFFERENT TIME ZONES) EVERYTHING WILL APPEAR TO BE ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED.
However, be assured that nothing travels faster than © and that there are no shortcuts.
See you at the party 31 Oct. 2006.
(24 hours from now.)
JAL
jal
31st October 2006 - 05:06 PM
(hopefully the smilies will be there to enliven the party)

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.................................IT'S PARTY TIME.............................
............................................LETS HAVE FUN...........................QUOTE
DUE TO EVERYONE DIFFERENT FRAME OF REFERENCE (DIFFERENT TIME ZONES) EVERYTHING WILL APPEAR TO BE ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED
However, be assured that nothing travels faster than © and that there are no shortcuts.

sorcerer
MUSIC.............DANCING..................APPLE BOBBING............. ETC.
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The first and most obvious candidate that needs to be confirmed or disproved is the quantum Planck scale “void”. We have the mathematical tools ( quantum geometry) that can be applied to make predictions for the next round of experiments at CERN. Will the experimental tools be adequate or will we have to pass on the problem to the next generation?
My future search will be to look for the progress that is being made by our generation of experts.
If your searches find anything…. Feel free to link it in this thread.
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Is it possible to have music? Of course! …Here is the math that can be applied to the “spot”?
band
.
……waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensions
Hamiltonian and physical Hilbert space in polymer quantum mechanicsAuthors: Alejandro Corichi, Tatjana Vukasinac, Jose A. Zapata
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610072 QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| DUE TO EVERYONE DIFFERENT FRAME OF REFERENCE (DIFFERENT TIME ZONES) EVERYTHING WILL APPEAR TO BE ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED |
However, be assured that nothing travels faster than © and that there are no shortcuts.

sorcerer
MUSIC.............DANCING..................APPLE BOBBING............. ETC.
----------------------------------
The first and most obvious candidate that needs to be confirmed or disproved is the quantum Planck scale “void”. We have the mathematical tools ( quantum geometry) that can be applied to make predictions for the next round of experiments at CERN. Will the experimental tools be adequate or will we have to pass on the problem to the next generation?
My future search will be to look for the progress that is being made by our generation of experts.
If your searches find anything…. Feel free to link it in this thread.
----------------------------------------
Is it possible to have music? Of course! …Here is the math that can be applied to the “spot”?
band
.
……waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensions
Hamiltonian and physical Hilbert space in polymer quantum mechanicsAuthors: Alejandro Corichi, Tatjana Vukasinac, Jose A. Zapata
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610072 The dynamics is constructed as a continuum limit of effective theories characterized by a scale, and requires a renormalization of the inner product. The result is a physical Hilbert space in which the continuum Hamiltonian can be represented and that is unitarily equivalent to the Schr¨odinger representation of quantum mechanics. As a concrete implementation of our formalism, the simple harmonic oscillator is fully developed.
---------------------------------
Here is someone who is following the developments and who is “qualified” to comment.
CHRISTINE’S BACKGROUND INDEPENDENT QUANTUM GRAVITY STUDY HALL
http://christinedantas.blogspot.com/ interests are Astrophysics, Cosmology and Quantum Gravity.

band
jal
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 06:22 PM

Party time
Not Decoherence .. much worse..
I was at a 'do' recently in quite eminent company (most unusual for me). Despite realizing the person sitting opposite them (that would be me) was not quite up to their level the person very kindly tried to make polite conversation.
"How long did it take you to get here?" they asked.
A girl, plumb in my line of sight is starting to breastfeed her baby

.
"About three hours" I reply. Totally absurd but never mind.
"What car have you got?" they ask, trying to keep the questions as simple as possible.
I can't see my car from where I am, all I can see is the girl breastfeeding. Then I remember I didn't come in my car, it's back home breastfeeding in the car park near my house. But what sort of car is it?.. I MUST KNOW THAT.. small but perfectly formed?
"A Toyota" I hear myself saying.
"What sort of Toyota is it?" they ask, pretending to be interested.
I've never owned a Toyota, I have no interest in them and I have no idea what any of them might be called.
"I don't know" I reply.
Conversation didn't exactly flow after that.
** If I become a problem just ask me to leave. **
-C2.
fivedoughnut
31st October 2006 - 06:33 PM
Dearest departed
Taste this stuff....beer factor 10 Captain!
Holographic Haloween
jal
31st October 2006 - 06:34 PM
Hi

Confused2
Why leave... stay as long as you can... we can have fun over a beer.
What to hear some music?
As you can see….If you have the right “foundation” then you can make music.
Let’s look at some some music made by the ancients and then look at some new music.
Kepler and the "Music of the Spheres"
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/kepler.html
Turn on your speakers… listen to something new. Listen to the wave of the future
"Carmen of the Spheres"
http://www.archive.org/details/GregFoxCarm...-Spheres160.mp3"Reshaping the Stars"
http://www.archive.org/details/Greg-Fox_Reshaping-the-Stars “Easter SETI”
http://www.archive.org/details/Greg-Fox_Easter-SETI
jal
fivedoughnut We posted at the same time.
Stay a while....grab a chair .....
I just had a peek at your link....
The ancient were geniuses.... we a still passing on their message.
I looked at the published stuff.... great!
http://www.zeropoint.ca/quantum_approach.html
clapping hands
jal
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 07:03 PM
Yo 5D! Cough, utter tosh, mutter, cough. Yes!
Recently we had a paper pointing out that information is energy and that if you had more than X amount of information within Y volume it would form a black hole. Somehow I feel we're a fair distance away from catastrophes like that .. could there be something pushing back from the 'other side'? Something (else) to calm things down at Planck scale? Damping? Spreader outerers?
-C2.
fivedoughnut
31st October 2006 - 07:10 PM
"THEY"
31st October 2006 - 07:10 PM
TRICK OR TREAT!!!Ladies and gentlemen, first off I am sorry to announce that the website that had the graphic of spherical tonnetz (that looked like Jal's planck sphere) has changed the website slightly, and the graphic is no longer there...... so there will be no disco ball today.
But for the listening pleasure...
Some modern music:
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/2006-06/msg0074639.htmlFor the “braided” hippie generation:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week234.htmlAnd for the techno group since digital music is becoming popular now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics Sorry jal, it is up to you to decide if it works with Planck or not...
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 07:16 PM
QUOTE (me+)
could there be something pushing back from the 'other side'?
Ickle hands?
-C2.
jal
31st October 2006 - 07:43 PM
Confused2From my model .... the only thing that I could speculate .... would be the 2D membrane..... I'll let the TOE project make the link, if there is one.
"THEY"
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!I never knew that the quantum structure was sticking out so much in music.
Take a chair ..... center stage please..... Here ....have a beer.
jal
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 07:51 PM
Iftheresanybodywhocanshowmeaniceisotropicwaytotogetfrom2Dmembranesto3DI'dliketohearfromthem

. I'll be sitting on the stairs if anybody wants me.
jal
31st October 2006 - 08:06 PM
Confused2
Come on.... have a dance.... that will help you think.

jal
"THEY"
31st October 2006 - 08:11 PM
Did you guys catch Troc's last post?
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...35entry139133As you know, I was majoring in both music and physics. I do think they fit far better than is currently known, thats my story and I am sticking with it! Afterall, if strings vibrate, then they are making universe music, right? I just hope I live long enough to hear it. Do you think I can learn to play that kind of music on my synth?
Your beer made me giggle!
Neil Farbstein
31st October 2006 - 08:16 PM
QUOTE (Confused2+Oct 31 2006, 06:22 PM)

Party time
Not Decoherence .. much worse..
I was at a 'do' recently in quite eminent company (most unusual for me). Despite realizing the person sitting opposite them (that would be me) was not quite up to their level the person very kindly tried to make polite conversation.
"How long did it take you to get here?" they asked.
A girl, plumb in my line of sight is starting to breastfeed her baby

.
"About three hours" I reply. Totally absurd but never mind.
"What car have you got?" they ask, trying to keep the questions as simple as possible.
I can't see my car from where I am, all I can see is the girl breastfeeding. Then I remember I didn't come in my car, it's back home breastfeeding in the car park near my house. But what sort of car is it?.. I MUST KNOW THAT.. small but perfectly formed?
"A Toyota" I hear myself saying.
"What sort of Toyota is it?" they ask, pretending to be interested.
I've never owned a Toyota, I have no interest in them and I have no idea what any of them might be called.
"I don't know" I reply.
Conversation didn't exactly flow after that.
** If I become a problem just ask me to leave. **
-C2.
Do you come to New York confused too. I've been to parties like that one.
bee
31st October 2006 - 08:50 PM
WÀrlö©k iņ dÅ ħÕцsĕ, Kicking bacK a cold oNe ♥♥♥
jal
31st October 2006 - 09:27 PM
"THEY"Troc's last post?...yep!
You and him ought to sit together and have a conversation. He always has something interesting to say.
I do think that he is working on dynamics with Confused2.
Imagine .... trying to do that with 6 bodies or 12 when you do not have a quantum geometric model to guide you.
It's no wonder that we observe ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED and postulate unexplained mechanisms.
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The old masters had abilities that we can only dream about. They disciplined their mind to be able to do DYNAMICS.
That is what a good square dancer caller could do.
See the “Magic Cubes”
http://members.shaw.ca/hdhcubes/To get you started you might try a simple versions
Simple Sudoku
http://www.buzzys.net/sudoku.html
jal
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 09:37 PM
Hi 5D,bee,jal, NF, THEY,
jal.. I don't think I have danced since I overheard some grotty child talk about 'Dad dancing', though there may a few occasions since which I don't actually remember.
NF .. I never leave Blighty, enough bad things happen here without going looking for them.
THEY .. I forgot THEY2 (how could I have?) .. sorry. That's my late night stories gone for a burton (your discretion?). I read the post from Troc and that's partly why I went to sulk on the stairs. If those guys are not detecting the most photons where there is the greatest probability of detecting photons then what are they detecting?
bee .. hi honey. Oh yuk. Had to do it tho. Sorry.
5D .. until a few weeks ago I thought I had two computer screens. And two keyboards. Still think you're ahead?
jal, can I offer everybody a glass of Planck's Amazing Lager? You've done this already but it's still interesting .. is it frothy.. flat.. or something else? Mine seems to have something in it that stops it frothing, I don't know what it is though. Tastes OK tho.
-C2.
bee
31st October 2006 - 09:49 PM
QUOTE
bee .. hi honey. Oh yuk. Had to do it tho. Sorry.
Dont u like my Halloween costume? ur not suppose 2... hehehe... Do I get a treat?
jal
31st October 2006 - 09:58 PM
Hi Bee....
Are you going to stay for a beer? Got a good story for us?
I got a song coming up ..... later
----------------
Confused2...Thanks ........ a glass of Planck's Amazing Lager
I'm going to accept that we see ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED without postulating unexplained mechanisms.
There is a race going on right now.... to find a structure....
……waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensionsWhen the experts have confirmed the Planck void ...... then I'll propose a credible explanation with the "spot".

jal
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 10:25 PM
bee .. my imagination has been switched off for the purposes of this post.
jal.. yes. waves. I am so contaminated with 'probability of detection' type stuff that I may have closed off a few things .. anything .. even old stuff that I might have missed?
-C2.
bee
31st October 2006 - 10:27 PM
QUOTE
Are you going to stay for a beer?
I'll have a Chivas or Black label.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
Are you going to stay for a beer?
|
I'll have a Chivas or Black label.
Got a good story for us?
Sounds like u got me going for the trick! Which one would you like?
QUOTE
I got a song coming up ..... later
Which one?
"THEY"
31st October 2006 - 10:51 PM
BEE, C2 may not wish to say anything, but I will!
Your costume is wonderful! Very well thought out. And the color looks great on you.
And WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE SHOES??????
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 10:52 PM
If I had a vote then a story sounds pretty good to me..
-C2.
jal
31st October 2006 - 10:57 PM
Good day everyone!
The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it.
I thought that you could get a better appreciation of the harmony that the sun brings us.
Check out Birmingham Solar Oscillations Network
http://bison.ph.bham.ac.uk/
jal
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 10:58 PM
Shoes?
"THEY"
31st October 2006 - 11:08 PM
QUOTE (Confused2+Oct 31 2006, 03:58 PM)
Shoes?
Men never understand us women.........
Confused2
31st October 2006 - 11:21 PM
QUOTE (jal+)
The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it.
As we are posting in pretty much 'real time' I would draw attention to the fact that I am currently on the dark side of the planet. A stunningly beautiful planet.
Thanks jal, thanks all. 'nuff said.
C2.
jal
31st October 2006 - 11:40 PM
Oh! oh! Confused2 is in need of a bedtime song.
"THEY" if you put music to these words .... remember .... you owe me 50% of the royalties.
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Let’s-make-mu-sic.-Gaze-deep-ly-in-to-the-crys-tal.
Ride-the-spi-ral.-Put-the-crys-tal-to-the-an-vil
List-en-to-the-tune-of-the-ham-mer-as-it-beats
Catch-the-ris-ing-rhy-thms-12-by-12-as-they-come
Breathe-in-the-me-lo-dy.-Let-the-har-mo-ny-sooth
List-en-to-tho-se-spot-s.-Let-the-shiv-ers-come
Feel-the-flush.-Ec-sta-sy-ri-ding-on-the-wa-ves
Ride-the-wa-ves.-En-light-en-ment-is-near-at-hand
Feel-the-flush-to-your-TOE.-Mak-ing-the-vi-sion-real
-------------------------------------------

jal
bee
1st November 2006 - 12:16 AM
QUOTE
Good day everyone!
The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it.
1:45 am, here in South Africa, The dark side. Been a little hot here the past days. I love the sun, appreciate the cooler evenings and stars gazing too.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
Good day everyone! The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it.
|
1:45 am, here in South Africa, The dark side. Been a little hot here the past days. I love the sun, appreciate the cooler evenings and stars gazing too.
I thought that you could get a better appreciation of the harmony that the sun brings us.
We can enjoy/boogie to the same beat frequency. Troc's music from the sun...
QUOTE
Men never understand us women.........
Will we ever...At least you like my shoes!
I figured out who the "they" in they really is, it's them!
The costume had me going for a while, glad you noticed the
symbolic effort.
Cheers, Thanks for the party Jal.
Best to All.
yquantum
1st November 2006 - 01:42 AM
jal, C2, "THEY", NF, bee, et al,
I guess I missed the party, been busy working dealing with a problem that needed to be looked into.
I truly hope everyone will find there place under the
SUN, with a cool drink near by.QUOTE
A body of work such as Pasteur’s is inconceivable in our time: no man would be given a chance to create a whole science. Nowadays a path is scarcely opened up when the crowd begins to pour in.
Jean Rostand
Next time
jal, "THEY", "2" [hope the music and physics goes well and you "2" take care.ciao_
yquantum
jal
1st November 2006 - 01:56 AM
Good Day yquantum
Welcome!

QUOTE
Nowadays a path is scarcely opened up when the crowd begins to pour in.
I'm going to let the partyer have fun.... I'm going to take a nap near the door to welcome any latecomers.
jal
yquantum
1st November 2006 - 03:05 AM
I wish you the very best, Sir. jal.
y
RealityCheck
1st November 2006 - 05:55 AM
.
Hi jal! Hi everyone! Sorry I'm late! Boy, I could hear the racket from all the way down the street....aren't you afarid the neighbours will complain, jal? hehehe.
jal, I'm also sorry to come empty handed (except for this virtual bottle of wine). Medical problems, computer problems and sundry distractions have been hampering the finalisation of an ELECTRO-MAGNETIC/PHOTONIC PROPAGATION/STRUCTURE explanation which I was hoping to finish in time to bring to your party. And the TOE 'implications' have also been delayed, so I couldn't bring THEM either. Sorry!
But are you going to have ANOTHER PARTY ANY TIME SOON? I think I'll manage to bring something THEN!
BTW, who chose the music....TRoc? Wow! It's got a great 'backbeat' to it, hehehe!
Gotta go now. Cheers all! See ya at jal's NEXT TIME.
RC.
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fivedoughnut
1st November 2006 - 06:49 PM
Jal,
Thanks for everything, we all owe you so much.

....... Sadly my 'spell' @ the party was somewhat brief ..... kids .... 5 of them! ..... I'm afraid they'll always come 1st.
Daddy 5-D.
jal
26th November 2006 - 07:05 PM
TRoc!
It’s a gem!! You came late for the party but you are making it real!
I’m going to enter it into the discussion and summary.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0207/0207116.pdf Work functions, ionization potentials, and in-between:
Scaling relations based on the image charge modelKin Wong, Sascha Vongehr, and Vitaly V. Kresin
Department of Physics and Astronomy,
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0484, USA
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1. Cubeoctahedron
The cubeoctahedron is a shape with small surface area which can be cut out of an fcc crystal. The number of hard spheres as a function of the number of shells k is given by65
N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The outer radius R is given by R = (2k − 1)r0. For
large k this becomes R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3. The same expression can be derived by evaluating the volume of the circumscribing sphere relative to the sum of the volumes of the small hard spheres67.
4. Icosahedron
The icosahedron has the highest symmetry of all discrete point groups. Although due to it’s five-fold symmetry, the icosahedron does not form bulk crystals, it can be considered as a slightly distorted fcc crystal. The icosahedron structure has been observed for small clusters of inert-gas clusters, Ca, and Mg clusters (see references in 65). The relationship between the number of hard spheres and the number of shells is the same as for the cube-octahedron65: N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The radius is also given by the same expression as for the cube-octahedron R = (2k − 1)r0. The resulting expression for the cluster radius is therefore the same as for the cube-octahedron. For large k the radius is:
R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3.
VI. SUMMARY
The main results of this work can be summarized as follows.
(1) Starting with an expression for the electron removal energy in terms of the image charge potential for an isolated spherical particle and a surface cutoff parameter [Eq. 3], we explored how this model may be consistently applied to metallic systems ranging from bulk surfaces to finite clusters and down to individual atoms.
(2) We showed that this approach provides a transparent physical explanation for the empirical fact that the atomic ionization potentials and polycrystalline work functions of the metallic elements exhibit an almost constant ratio of ∼ 2 over the periodic table [Eqs.
(1, 10)].
(3) We found that for most elements there is a remarkably close numerical correlation between the values of the nearest-neighbor distance in a crystal, the cube root of the atomic polarizability, and the image force cutoff parameter. This correlation may be rationalized qualitatively, but appears worthy of further study.
(4) Taking advantage of this correlation, we formulated simple expressions for the cut-off distance [Eq. (7)] and the atomic and cluster radii [Eqs. (11,14,15)]. They yield good estimates for the work function, the ionization potential, and the cluster electron removal energies by using only a single input parameter, the atomic polarizability. No extra adjustable parameters are required.
(5) Generalizing the scaling argument to the case of binary alloys, we found that it can simulate the shape of the concentration dependence of work functions of continuous bulk solutions [Eq. (12)].
(6) We also provided an analytical derivation of the connection between the geometric structure of a cluster of close-packed spheres and its outer radius. It is described by an equation of the type (13), but the precise numerical coefficient is shown to depend on the packing structure.
By generalizing, this work has application to the TOE project.
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1. Cubeoctahedron The cubeoctahedron is a shape with small surface area which can be cut out of an fcc crystal. The number of hard spheres as a function of the number of shells k is given by65 N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The outer radius R is given by R = (2k − 1)r0. For large k this becomes R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3. The same expression can be derived by evaluating the volume of the circumscribing sphere relative to the sum of the volumes of the small hard spheres67.
4. Icosahedron The icosahedron has the highest symmetry of all discrete point groups. Although due to it’s five-fold symmetry, the icosahedron does not form bulk crystals, it can be considered as a slightly distorted fcc crystal. The icosahedron structure has been observed for small clusters of inert-gas clusters, Ca, and Mg clusters (see references in 65). The relationship between the number of hard spheres and the number of shells is the same as for the cube-octahedron65: N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The radius is also given by the same expression as for the cube-octahedron R = (2k − 1)r0. The resulting expression for the cluster radius is therefore the same as for the cube-octahedron. For large k the radius is: R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3.
VI. SUMMARY The main results of this work can be summarized as follows. (1) Starting with an expression for the electron removal energy in terms of the image charge potential for an isolated spherical particle and a surface cutoff parameter [Eq. 3], we explored how this model may be consistently applied to metallic systems ranging from bulk surfaces to finite clusters and down to individual atoms. (2) We showed that this approach provides a transparent physical explanation for the empirical fact that the atomic ionization potentials and polycrystalline work functions of the metallic elements exhibit an almost constant ratio of ∼ 2 over the periodic table [Eqs. (1, 10)]. (3) We found that for most elements there is a remarkably close numerical correlation between the values of the nearest-neighbor distance in a crystal, the cube root of the atomic polarizability, and the image force cutoff parameter. This correlation may be rationalized qualitatively, but appears worthy of further study. (4) Taking advantage of this correlation, we formulated simple expressions for the cut-off distance [Eq. (7)] and the atomic and cluster radii [Eqs. (11,14,15)]. They yield good estimates for the work function, the ionization potential, and the cluster electron removal energies by using only a single input parameter, the atomic polarizability. No extra adjustable parameters are required. (5) Generalizing the scaling argument to the case of binary alloys, we found that it can simulate the shape of the concentration dependence of work functions of continuous bulk solutions [Eq. (12)]. (6) We also provided an analytical derivation of the connection between the geometric structure of a cluster of close-packed spheres and its outer radius. It is described by an equation of the type (13), but the precise numerical coefficient is shown to depend on the packing structure. |
By generalizing, this work has application to the TOE project.
A significant number of first-principles calculations have been performed for work functions of metallic systems6,7,8. In addition, simple models based on semi-empirical approaches combined with classical electrostatics have been rather successful at reproducing WF trends and values9. This suggests that some features of the desired scaling law may be found by employing such a model.
In a similar spirit, let us now consider the image-force expression for the energy required to remove an electron from an isolated finite metal particle, modelled as a conducting sphere of radius R. The particle is assumed initially neutral, i.e., after the removal of the electron it acquires an unit positive charge.
jal
27th November 2006 - 04:24 PM
http://arxiv.org/ftp/nucl-th/papers/0309/0309035.pdf The double tetrahedron structure of the nucleus Jozsef Garai
Department of Earth Sciences Florida International University University Park,
E-mail: jozsef.garai@fiu.edu
4 Oct 2003
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Expanding a double tetrahedron formation of equal spheres arranged in fcc structure correlation between the positions of the nucleons and quantum numbers has been detected. The number of protons in the structure is not simply consistent with all the corresponding quantum numbers but also bears the same physical meaning as in quantum mechanics. The detected correlations between lattice positions of the protons and quantum numbers raise the possibility the solid nuclear structure might be able to provide an explanation for the single particle properties of the nuclei.
Other nuclear properties supporting a double tetrahedron nuclear structure are the followings.
These correlations are consistent with the physical meaning of the quantum description; therefore, a random coincidence should be excluded. The detected correlations raised the possibility that the double tetrahedron crystalline model might provide the first comprehensive description of the nuclei by combining the individual particle, collective, and clustering characteristics of the nuclei.
http://www.npaci.edu/successes/2001_tetra.html http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/08.16/06-atomic.html http://www.npaci.edu/enVision/v17.3/students.html#chemical QUOTE (->
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Expanding a double tetrahedron formation of equal spheres arranged in fcc structure correlation between the positions of the nucleons and quantum numbers has been detected. The number of protons in the structure is not simply consistent with all the corresponding quantum numbers but also bears the same physical meaning as in quantum mechanics. The detected correlations between lattice positions of the protons and quantum numbers raise the possibility the solid nuclear structure might be able to provide an explanation for the single particle properties of the nuclei. Other nuclear properties supporting a double tetrahedron nuclear structure are the followings. These correlations are consistent with the physical meaning of the quantum description; therefore, a random coincidence should be excluded. The detected correlations raised the possibility that the double tetrahedron crystalline model might provide the first comprehensive description of the nuclei by combining the individual particle, collective, and clustering characteristics of the nuclei. |
http://www.npaci.edu/successes/2001_tetra.html http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/08.16/06-atomic.html http://www.npaci.edu/enVision/v17.3/students.html#chemical Chan used a variation of a well-known mathematical technique to discover a novel arrangement of atoms missed by other scientists. He found that 78 neutral atoms could theoretically settle into the shape of a particular double icosahedron.
Leary and his colleagues use a variety of modeling techniques to examine how 10 to more than 100 neutral atoms arrange themselves into the lowest energy states possible. Their method works like an explorer scanning new countryside. An algorithm hops from one possible energetic state to another, each of which corresponds to a different cluster geometry, looking for the one with the deepest valley.
"This new double-icosahedral structure has a lower potential energy than the other structure," said Chan. This means that his structure, not the single icosahedral structure previously reported, may represent the actual 3-D structure of 78-atom clusters in nature.
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http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s06/p2200.html R. Buckminster Fuller
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624.03 Both the positive and negative tetrahedra can locally accommodate the 45 different energy exchange couplings and message contents, making 90 such accommodations all told. These accommodations would produce 30 different "apparent" tetrahedron position shifts, whose successive movements would always involve an angular change of direction producing a helical trajectory.
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There is a thread in all of those approaches.

It leads to the "SPOT".
jal
jal
30th November 2006 - 05:07 PM
Does there exist a mathematical approach that can analyse the "SPOT"?
Try
sheaf cohomology, Abstract Differential Geometryhttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0610/0610065.pdf Discretising differential geometry via a new product on the space of chainsVivien de Beauc´e and Siddhartha Sen
† Department of Physics, Hokkaido University, Sapporo, 060-0810 - Japan
E-mail: debeauce@particle.sci.hokudai.ac.jp
‡ I.A.C.S Jadavpur, Kolkatta 700032 - India
‡ School of Mathematical Sciences, UCD, Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland
E-mail: sen@maths.ucd.ie
05 Oct 2006
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5 Discussion
In order to test the usefulness of the method in concrete applications, we propose three concrete
applications:
• Topological field theory: calculation of the Reidemeister torsion in a combinatorial way.
• Simplicial gravity: comparing with 2D random surface models for gravity, for Nambu-Goto and for actions including matter fields.
• Electromagnetic theory: discretising Maxwell’s equations.
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0607/0607038.pdf A Dodecalogue of Basic Didactics from Applications of Abstract Differential Geometry to Quantum GravityIoannis Raptis_
July 10, 2006
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5 Discussion In order to test the usefulness of the method in concrete applications, we propose three concrete applications: • Topological field theory: calculation of the Reidemeister torsion in a combinatorial way. • Simplicial gravity: comparing with 2D random surface models for gravity, for Nambu-Goto and for actions including matter fields. • Electromagnetic theory: discretising Maxwell’s equations. |
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0607/0607038.pdf A Dodecalogue of Basic Didactics from Applications of Abstract Differential Geometry to Quantum GravityIoannis Raptis_
July 10, 2006
We summarize the twelve most important in our view novel concepts that have arisen, based on results that have been obtained, from various applications of Abstract Differential Geometry (ADG) to Quantum Gravity (QG)
Comments, Discussion welcomed
jal
jal
24th March 2007 - 11:02 PM
The paper that you have all been waiting for.
"SPOT" HAS MADE IT IN THE arxiv.orghttp://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0610/0610056.pdf Quantum Mechanics and the Generalized Uncertainty PrincipleJang Young Bang_ and Micheal S. Berger†
01 Dec 2006
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VI. SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS
We have derived the generalized uncertainty principle from a toy model of discretized space by considering quantum mechanics on a circle where the compacification involves the momentum. This model may be useful in exploring how the ultraviolet limit is approached in more realistic models of discrete spacetime or models of quantum gravity with a fundamental or minimum length. This may result in an improved understanding of the origin of the generalized uncertainty principle in theories of quantum gravity.
THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF WHAT IS TO COME.
jal
12th June 2007 - 02:06 PM
THE "MATH KIDS" ARE WORKING ON MY APPROACH--------------
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0706/0706.1534v1.pdf Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale∗
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St. N, Waterloo, ON N2L 2Y5, Canada.
June 11, 2007
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If you got trouble understanding this paper then go look at my simple presentation in my blog and the spinning double tetra.-------------------
Previous papers
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0606/0606074v2.pdf A semiclassical tetrahedron
Carlo Rovelli and Simone Speziale_
CPT†, CNRS Case 907, Universit´e de la M´editerran´ee, F-13288 Marseille
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St.N, Waterloo, ON-N2L-2Y5, Canada
March 31, 2007
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0611/0611097v1.pdf Grasping rules and semiclassical limit of the geometry
in the Ponzano–Regge model
Jonathan Hackett and Simone Speziale
17 Nov 2006
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jal
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