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jal
Confused2 smile.gif
Good!
(ch. 5)
You did a good job getting that topic started for beginners.
Congratulation. smile.gif
I'm also following your present discussion. (this time ...I'm staying out of the way) smile.gif
I'm still searching for more information that will help understanding the universe.
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An interesting paper to read since it discussed holographic principle from the point of view of the whole universe.
I have a different opinion on some of their arguments....
However, I LOVE THEIR CONCLUSION.

http://lanl.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0605/0605117.pdf
From spacetime foam to holographic foam cosmology
Michele Arzano(1) _, Thomas W. Kephart(2) † and Y. Jack Ng(1) ‡
(1) Institute of Field Physics, Department of Physics and Astronomy,
University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA
(2) Department of Physics and Astronomy,
Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN 37235, USA
22 May 2006
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Abstract
Due to quantum fluctuations, spacetime is foamy on small scales. For maximum spatial resolution of the geometry of spacetime, the holographic model of spacetime foam stipulates that the uncertainty or fluctuation of distance l is given, on the average, by (ll2P )1/3 where lP is the Planck length. Applied to cosmology, it predicts that the cosmic energy is of critical density and the cosmic entropy is the maximum allowed by the holographic principle. In addition, it requires the existence of unconventional (dark) energy/matter and accelerating cosmic expansion in the present era. We will argue that a holographic foam cosmology of this type has the potential to become a full fledged competitor (with distinct testable consequences) for scalar driven inflation.

I interpret "distinct testable consequences" to mean ...we could be in for a few surprises. smile.gif
Keeping up with the search
jal

Confused2
Hi jal,

I thought I ought to point out that the author of the book probably spent 20 years getting it together .. I spent about an hour doing my bit.

A while back you posted a paper about the holographic principle pointing out that you were sure I was smart enough to see how to work it in three dimensions. I can only do it as cubes.

Um. sad.gif

I've still got pdf reading problems but I can catch up sometimes from another PC.. so not read the last one.

Any help on 2D + IQ = 3D problem would be appreciated.

Best wishes,

-C2.

jal
Confused2 smile.gif
I can avoid some crashes by not closing the PDF file. I go back to my search without closing it.
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On of the problems that we are not capable of addressing properly is dynamics.
If I showed you a picture of an egg beater you would laugh if I said it represents the dynamic of spacetime.
However, we now have the computer power available that was never available before. I expect that soon, the "math kids" will be able to do realistic modeling.
Then ....I'll be able to say...."Can I have this dance?".... biggrin.gif
I like the square dancing steps. biggrin.gif
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The following papers will be of interest to the “math kids”
http://lanl.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0609/0609060.pdf
Normalization conventions for Newton’s constant and the Planck scale in arbitrary spacetime dimension
Sean P. Robinson_
Department of Physics, Massachusetts Institute of Technology, Cambridge, Massachusetts 02139, USA
(Dated: September 16, 2006)

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The result is that ˆMR is even more suppressed than ˆMP relative to
MP. This effect is greatest in lower dimensions, taking its strongest value of 1
2 in d = 4. The value asymptotes to 1 for large d (again, see Fig. 2).


I need help to understand what he is saying concerning the two kinds of mass.
I don’t know the implications on the following paper.
http://lanl.arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0609/0609050.pdf
4D Effective Theory and Geometrical Approach
A. Salvio
07 Sept 2006
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The result is that ˆMR is even more suppressed than ˆMP relative to
MP. This effect is greatest in lower dimensions, taking its strongest value of 1
2 in d = 4. The value asymptotes to 1 for large d (again, see Fig. 2).


I need help to understand what he is saying concerning the two kinds of mass.
I don’t know the implications on the following paper.
http://lanl.arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0609/0609050.pdf
4D Effective Theory and Geometrical Approach
A. Salvio
07 Sept 2006
Abstract.
We consider the 4D effective theory for the light Kaluza-Klein (KK) modes. The heavy KK mode contribution is generally needed to reproduce the correct physical predictions: an equivalence, between the effective theory and the D-dimensional (or geometrical) approach to spontaneous symmetry breaking (SSB), emerges only if the heavy mode contribution is taken into account. This happens even if the heavy mode masses are at the Planck scale. In particular, we analyze a 6D Einstein-Maxwell model coupled to a charged scalar and fermions. Moreover, we briefly review Non-Abelian and supersymmetric extensions of this theory.

As you are all aware, when the author refers to 6D I interpret this as 2D with 6 information paths.
I previously, quoted an author who showed that 4d is equivalent to 2D.
jal
jal
Confused2
I thought that you might find this blog better to read than my consistent point of view.
I was planning to save this for the party....but.... you can tell her to come and give her comments on what I've been doing.

http://backreaction.blogspot.com/2006/05/m...ngth-scale.html
The Minimal Length Scale
BY BEE ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 10, 2006
Yesterday, I gave a seminar here at UCSB about my recent work, and so I will use the opportunity for some self-advertisement. You find the slides (PDF) online:
http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0312/0312124.pdf
Phenomenology of Doubly Special Relativity
Giovanni AMELINO-CAMELIA, Jerzy KOWALSKI-GLIKMAN,
Gianluca MANDANICI and Andrea PROCACCINI

Some of this information might be useful in your discussions biggrin.gif
jal
Neil Farbstein
QUOTE (jal+Oct 24 2006, 03:51 PM)
Confused2 smile.gif
Good!
(ch. 5)
You did a good job getting that topic started for beginners.
Congratulation. smile.gif
I'm also following your present discussion. (this time ...I'm staying out of the way) smile.gif
I'm still searching for more information that will help understanding the universe.
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An interesting paper to read since it discussed holographic principle from the point of view of the whole universe.
I have a different opinion on some of their arguments....
However, I LOVE THEIR CONCLUSION.

http://lanl.arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0605/0605117.pdf
From spacetime foam to holographic foam cosmology
Michele Arzano(1) _, Thomas W. Kephart(2) † and Y. Jack Ng(1) ‡
(1) Institute of Field Physics, Department of Physics and Astronomy,
University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill, NC 27599, USA
(2) Department of Physics and Astronomy,
Vanderbilt University, Nashville, TN 37235, USA
22 May 2006

I interpret "distinct testable consequences" to mean ...we could be in for a few surprises. smile.gif
Keeping up with the search
jal

The new interpretations of general realtivity predict that matter such as stars are projecting a resulsive force in front of them. This might account for the foaminess of the universe. Large masses such as galaxies and clusters of galaxies might be pushing other matter around forming holes in the univeres matter distribution.
"THEY"
QUOTE (jal+Oct 24 2006, 12:57 PM)

BY BEE ON WEDNESDAY, MAY 10, 2006

That wouldn't by chance be the same bee that posts here? Mostly seen buzzing around yquantum's threads? (I hope she doesn't mind the pun!)
jal
Hi "THEY" biggrin.gif
I hope that your music will make a buzz at the party. biggrin.gif
jal
"THEY"
oh I am sure I can come up with a nice do see do song, but it will be up to you to explain the moves how to square dance and call the dance. wink.gif I understand to a degree how harmonics fits into the whole scheme of the cosmos, but anything quantum makes my head spin! They2 would be better in that arena than me! blink.gif So I don't know how it relates to your planck scale........... sad.gif But I will be there for the fun! Can't pass up on fun....... tongue.gif
yquantum
:lol "THEY", "T"2, jal, Good Elf, C2, et al,

Say HI biggrin.gif please to "THEY"2 and hope all is well.

All the people at this party, they have a lot of style,
They use Planck scale for the cosmos, the concept might bring a smiles for most.
Some are friendly, some are holding back, but many are reading, so this party will be a blast, because jal is paying the bill at last. laugh.gif

Just kidding. biggrin.gif

ciao_
yquantum
Confused2
y,jal,THEY(2) et al,

Properly organised square dances might work in a confined space .. but when you say " Now form a circle" .. chaos ensues. Is this ordered chaos or truly chaotic chaos? I don't know.
-C2.

Edit ..
Yay, kinda nice to be having some fun, thanks all.
yquantum
wink.gif C2, et al,

I could not pass this one up, BTW, well said! wink.gif It just seems to fit into jal's party.

"In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order."

Carl Jung

ciao_
yquantum
jal
Good Day everyone!
I hope everyone is behaving.... and finding links

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"In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order."

So true!..... I realize that we will not get a proper understanding of the universe until we can do some realistic dynamic modeling.

Now,…for some square dancing….hehehe biggrin.gif

We are looking at quantum geometry.
Do you remember this link?
(Take the time to look at his index and his other pages… they might interest you.)
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s06/p2200.html
QUOTE (->
QUOTE
"In all chaos there is a cosmos, in all disorder a secret order."

So true!..... I realize that we will not get a proper understanding of the universe until we can do some realistic dynamic modeling.

Now,…for some square dancing….hehehe biggrin.gif

We are looking at quantum geometry.
Do you remember this link?
(Take the time to look at his index and his other pages… they might interest you.)
http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s06/p2200.html
Tetrahedron has the extraordinary capability of remaining symmetrically coordinate and entertaining 15 pairs of completely disparate rates of change of three different classes of energy behaviors in respect to the rest of Universe and not changing its size. As such, it becomes a universal joint to couple disparate actions in Universe. So we should not be surprised at all to find nature using such a facility and moving around Universe to accommodate all kinds of local transactions, such as coordination in the organic chemistry or in the metals.

This is a real good indication that with a dynamic “void” that is being created by the movement of the structural units that for every 15 “pictures” you would not “detect/see/measure” (ZPE) any movement in the spacetime structure nor would you be able to “detect/see/measure” any change in the volume. (M&M). Do you also recall the posts about "kT ln(2)" … if the dynamic was not 100% efficient then we would get an energy/entropy reading?
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=4339&st=390
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"kT ln(2)" …You are opening the possibility that the “spot” dynamic structure is detectable by its heat lost. That the physic is deterministic and reversible… but not 100%. The system produces some entropy. Which then begs the question…does the spacetime structure emit a temp.? Could this be another explanation for the 3 degree Kelvin of the universe? That the Big Bang scenario is not the cause of the 3 degree Kelvin temp.?
The beginning of this thread where I start the discussion about entropy and potential energy would be where the process was not reversible and where a lot of heat was produced.
I have no idea if "kT ln(2)" would produce enough heat to replace the B.B. scenario or to account for the CMBR. There are 12 “Waves” generating heat as they get into a stabilized configuration.
My way was to demonstrate that by packing that there was more energy in a 2D system than in a 3D system. A gap of 16.64%.
Here is something to make you think.
http://www.umsl.edu/~fraundor/ifzx/cvinbit...(2)%22%20%20%22
Heat capacity in bits
P. Fraundorfa
"A Casimir force 'engine' ".... The vacuum energy could be, ("kT ln(2)").
Due to the “Carnot Cycle” of the 12 waves not being as efficient near “mass” (spacetime curvature) we would get a higher energy reading. Then this inefficiency could be what we call “Dark Matter”.
We will just have to wait until somebody does the numbers.

If the dancer would just slow down….
We might be able to “catch and swing” the pretty girl as she goes by….
biggrin.gif

Quantum geometry is leading us towards the shape of the quantum “foundation”.
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The following is for the “professionals” to read. It relates to the present discussion in yquantum’s thread.
If the “professionals” can do the following then they will have no trouble to do the same for the “SPOT”.
Maybe the race to publish “first” has already started. How would I know…. I’m an “amateur”.

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0610241
Gravity and the standard model with neutrino mixing
ALI H. CHAMSEDDINE, ALAIN CONNES, AND MATILDE MARCOLLI
23 Oct 2006
QUOTE (->
QUOTE
"kT ln(2)" …You are opening the possibility that the “spot” dynamic structure is detectable by its heat lost. That the physic is deterministic and reversible… but not 100%. The system produces some entropy. Which then begs the question…does the spacetime structure emit a temp.? Could this be another explanation for the 3 degree Kelvin of the universe? That the Big Bang scenario is not the cause of the 3 degree Kelvin temp.?
The beginning of this thread where I start the discussion about entropy and potential energy would be where the process was not reversible and where a lot of heat was produced.
I have no idea if "kT ln(2)" would produce enough heat to replace the B.B. scenario or to account for the CMBR. There are 12 “Waves” generating heat as they get into a stabilized configuration.
My way was to demonstrate that by packing that there was more energy in a 2D system than in a 3D system. A gap of 16.64%.
Here is something to make you think.
http://www.umsl.edu/~fraundor/ifzx/cvinbit...(2)%22%20%20%22
Heat capacity in bits
P. Fraundorfa
"A Casimir force 'engine' ".... The vacuum energy could be, ("kT ln(2)").
Due to the “Carnot Cycle” of the 12 waves not being as efficient near “mass” (spacetime curvature) we would get a higher energy reading. Then this inefficiency could be what we call “Dark Matter”.
We will just have to wait until somebody does the numbers.

If the dancer would just slow down….
We might be able to “catch and swing” the pretty girl as she goes by….
biggrin.gif

Quantum geometry is leading us towards the shape of the quantum “foundation”.
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The following is for the “professionals” to read. It relates to the present discussion in yquantum’s thread.
If the “professionals” can do the following then they will have no trouble to do the same for the “SPOT”.
Maybe the race to publish “first” has already started. How would I know…. I’m an “amateur”.

http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0610241
Gravity and the standard model with neutrino mixing
ALI H. CHAMSEDDINE, ALAIN CONNES, AND MATILDE MARCOLLI
23 Oct 2006
In addition to these predictions, a main advantage of the model is that it gives a geometric interpretation for all the parameters in the standard model.
In summary we have shown that the intricate Lagrangian of the standard model coupled with gravity can be obtained from a very simple modification of space-time geometry provided one uses the formalism of noncommutative geometry.

It's unfortunate... I cannot find very much information on the neutrinos.
I guesss that it's because there is not very much.
Majorana modes might be good at the party...

Note: M. Niedermaier, in
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0610/0610018.pdf
The Asymptotic Safety Scenario in Quantum Gravity
has demonstrated that calculations for 4D (hypercubes) are = to 2D calculations.
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For the serious people….. the party on 31 Oct 2006 ….. It’s going to be a virtual “THINK TANK”.
We are going to use the WEB for the very reason that it was made. …. Sharing ideas.
I have been bringing forth possible approaches and asking the readers to do the same.
We want to find a new approach, plan B, which could be applied to further our understanding of the universe.
No science fiction allowed …. No going faster than the speed of light … (Planck Scale)

See you at the party.
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JAL
Euler
QUOTE (jal+Oct 25 2006, 02:55 PM)
The following is for the “professionals” to read...

Aside from the fact I think you're a few colours short of a rainbow, why do you always put the word: professionals, in inverted commas?
jal
wub.gif GEEE... Euler wub.gif
You gave me a compliment.
You shouldn't have... wub.gif
I still got too many colors to be considered in the same sentence as the great ones.
You don't fool me ... You're not the grouchy old fart that you make out to be.
jal
ps I use the quotation commas to remind myself of my position in the pecking order
"THEY"
QUOTE (jal+Oct 25 2006, 07:55 AM)
It's unfortunate... I cannot find very much information on the neutrinos.
I guesss that it's because there is not very much.

Too bad I don't talk to my cousin, he worked in the neutrino arena for many years.........
Euler
QUOTE (jal+Oct 25 2006, 07:25 PM)
wub.gif GEEE... Euler wub.gif
You gave me a compliment.
You shouldn't have... wub.gif
I use the quotation commas to remind myself of my position in the pecking order

Not a compliment: it means I think you lack intellect. But the fact that you've received the comment in such a fashion is testament to its accuracy.

QUOTE (jal+Oct 25 2006, 07:25 PM)
I use the quotation commas to remind myself of my position in the pecking order

Interesting. I'd always figured you used it in a derogatory fashion, because of an underlying resentment to those who have knowledge and actually perform real research (instead of those who pretend to know what they're on about, and play pretend physics on the internet). But if it's just used to remind yourself quite how daft your spoutings are, then I'm all for it!

smile.gif
jal
Hi "THEY" smile.gif
I'm going to keep searching about neutrinos.... someone might have found/deducted something new/interesting to write about.
jal smile.gif
Neil Farbstein
QUOTE (jal+Oct 25 2006, 07:25 PM)
wub.gif GEEE... Euler wub.gif
You gave me a compliment.
You shouldn't have... wub.gif
I still got too many colors to be considered in the same sentence as the great ones.
You don't fool me ... You're not the grouchy old fart that you make out to be.
jal
ps I use the quotation commas to remind myself of my position in the pecking order

What's you wheel within a wheel theory,tell me.
Neil Farbstein
QUOTE (Neil Farbstein+Oct 25 2006, 08:41 PM)
What's you wheel within a wheel theory,tell me.

Could you tell me where to get a lawyer?
jal
Someday... I'll find an answer... and I'm not going to share my beer with you.
Start a thread..... Let me look at your theories.
jal
Good Day! smile.gif

Here is a new theory. Well... it's a new approach.

I would like to remind you that in my model that one 2D unit is 6 circles in a hex. or cubic pattern and that in 3D one unit is 12 spheres in a hex. or cubic pattern. Now….. here is a math approach that could be used on the “SPOT”.
I have already referred to ANYONS = SPOT.
Here is another paper about it.


http://authors.library.caltech.edu/2444/01/KITaop06.pdf
Anyons in an exactly solved model and beyond
Alexei Kitaev
California Institute of Technology, Pasadena, CA 91125, U.S.A.
e-mail: kitaev@iqi.caltech.edu
August 14, 2005
I’ve said it before …over and over…. If I thought of it someone else has probably thought of it before me.
I used a different approach …. The results are too similar to ignore. There are 112 pages to read.
Did Alexei Kitaev obey the Planck scale rule?
Perhaps the 4S model is the one that he needs.
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… a stability consideration requires that ϕ be a rational multiple of 2π…

… when a charge q goes around a vortex v, it picks up the phase 2πqv, known as the Aharonov-Bohm phase…..

…. The most amazing thing about anyons is that they actually exist as excitations in some condensed matter systems….

…. The best studied example (both theoretically and experimentally) is the Laughlin state [8] in the fractional quantum Hall system at the filling factor ν = 1/3. It carries Abelian anyons with exchange phase ϕ = π/3 and electric charge ±1/3. It is the fractional value of the charge that was predicted in original Laughlin’s paper and confirmed by several methods, in particular by a shot noise measurement [9, 10]. The statistical phase is a subtler property which is deduced theoretically [11, 12]; a nontrivial experimental test has been performed recently using quasiparticle tunneling [13].

The notion of anyons assumes that the underlying state has an energy gap (at least for topologically nontrivial quasiparticles). Otherwise excitations are not localizable and braiding may not be defined. Note that if all excitations are gapped, then all equal-time correlators decay exponentially with distance

…Thus anyons carry some topological quantum numbers which make them stable:….

…. while in anyonic systems correlations decay exponentially due to the energy gap….

… But anyons, by virtue of their topological stability, must have some observable signatures….

…Thus, the hunt for anyons and topological order is a difficult endeavor. Why do we care?
First, because these are conceptually important phenomena, breaking some paradigms. In particular, consider these principles (which work well and provide important guidance in many cases):
1. Conservation laws come from symmetries (by Noether’s theorem or its quantum analogue);
2. Symmetries are initially present in the Hamiltonian (or Lagrangian), but may be spontaneously broken….

… A more practical reason to look for anyons is their potential use in quantum computing….

…Actually, the degeneracy is not absolute by very precise. It is lifted due to virtual particle tunneling across the torus, but this process is exponentially suppressed. Therefore the distance between ground energy levels is proportional to exp(−L/ξ), where L the linear size of the torus and ξ is some characteristic length, which is related to the gap in the excitation spectrum….
(note: torus = Planck size void created by Planck spheres.)

… In fact, a natural process that “distinguishes” them by multiplying by different factors is tunneling of a virtual ε-particle between the fixed σ-particles
(which is possible since σ × ε = σ). However, ε-particles are gapped, therefore this process is exponentially suppressed…
(note: the gap is the void in the Planck spheres.)

…. In order to implement a qubit, one needs four σ-particles. A logical |0i is represented by the quantum state |ξ1i that is obtained by creating the pairs (1, 2) and (3, 4) from the vacuum (see Fig. 2)….

… Indeed, the operators of counterclockwise exchange between two particles
(R-matrices) are related to the fusion rules by so-called hexagon equations and pentagon equation. We will see on concrete examples that these equations have only a finite number of solutions and therefore do not admit small deformations. In general, it is a nontrivial theorem known as Ocneanu rigidity….

… But for the meantime, finding and studying topological phases seems to be a very reasonable goal, also attractive from the fundamental science perspective….

…. The model has two phases (denoted by A and B ) which occur at different values of parameters. The exact solution is obtained by a reduction to free real fermions. Thus quasiparticles in the system may be characterized as fermions and Z2-vortices. Vortices and fermions interact by the Aharonov-Bohm factor equal to −1. In phase A the fermions have an energy gap, and the vortices are bosons that fall into two distinct superselection sectors. (Interestingly enough,
the two types of vortices have identical physical properties and are related to each other by a lattice translation.)…
(note: would this be cubic packing and hex. packing in my model)

p. 31 ….8.2 Unpaired Majorana modes
We now begin a rather lengthy derivation of the properties listed in Table 1, dealing only with anyons in the bulk….


(note: He is using a 2d bulk. He is making the calculation for “the snake must eat its tail”. In this “braiding” remember that this is not a spider leaving a silk trail behind himself. It still required to bring it to a 3D bulk which is sphere packing.
It’s a start.
There is more work to do ….one 2D unit is 6 circles in a hex. or cubic pattern. In 3D one unit is 12 spheres in a hex. or cubic pattern.
(Perhaps what he needs is my model.)

Perhaps the authors will give us their opinions on the future of quantum geometry at the party.
See you at the party.
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JAL
jal
Good Day biggrin.gif biggrin.gif
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An inspiring TYPO by yquantum
A theory must be tested in lavatories and physicist around the world to show valitiy.

biggrin.gif This forum is the lavatories. biggrin.gif
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Have I managed by using Holography + 2D packing + the Planck Scale rule (the “void”) + scaling to produce a model which can accommodate the SM?
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You all had a numerous chances to go through the number ….
The “amateurs” and “professionals” of this forum have done a “peers review” of this work. Being an outsider…this is the only place for me to publish…
I extend my thanks to the hundreds that have done this review.
You are the best.
I want to extend a special thanks to all of the “authors” that have made their work available on the web.
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I have been presenting links that demonstrate that the mathematical tool exist to help us understand the universe with my model and quantum geometry.
Have we got enough information (units, processes, and structures.) for the professionals to run a simulation in the laboratories?

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
An inspiring TYPO by yquantum
A theory must be tested in lavatories and physicist around the world to show valitiy.

biggrin.gif This forum is the lavatories. biggrin.gif
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Have I managed by using Holography + 2D packing + the Planck Scale rule (the “void”) + scaling to produce a model which can accommodate the SM?
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You all had a numerous chances to go through the number ….
The “amateurs” and “professionals” of this forum have done a “peers review” of this work. Being an outsider…this is the only place for me to publish…
I extend my thanks to the hundreds that have done this review.
You are the best.
I want to extend a special thanks to all of the “authors” that have made their work available on the web.
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I have been presenting links that demonstrate that the mathematical tool exist to help us understand the universe with my model and quantum geometry.
Have we got enough information (units, processes, and structures.) for the professionals to run a simulation in the laboratories?

Systems theory is the basis for modeling complex systems, which are broken down into three basic components: units, processes, and structures. Once these three components can be identified, a mathematical or game-theory derived model can be produced. This model is then run through a Simulation.

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We’ll soon know…. I feel that most of our unanswered questions (such as the path taken by a photon) can have an alternate and acceptable explanation within a quantum dynamic geometric model.

Therefore, let us continue…
If the dancer would just slow down….
We might be able to “catch and swing” the pretty girl as she goes by….
biggrin.gif


See you at the party.
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JAL
jal
Good Day!
Quantum geometry is leading us towards the shape of the quantum “foundation”.

An archeologist can rebuild a house from a foundation that he has dug up.
What about the quantum foundations of our universe?
With the tools at our disposal, is it possible to determine the “quantum foundation” of the universe?
On the assumption that the “complex house” that we see around us, and on the assumption that what ever is built has got to be built on that “foundation”, what are the clues that could lead us to the shape of the “foundation”?
Are those clues obvious? Have we been looking at them without realizing it?
In other words… are the clues so much in our face, like our nose, that we no longer look at them?
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Have you forgotten the work done by Chris Quigg
http://boudin.fnal.gov/~quigg/JGV/EnvPFintro.html
Has he managed to put the Standard Model “particles” into the “SPOT” model?
Have I managed by using Holography + 2D packing + the Planck Scale rule (the “void”) + scaling to produce a model which can accommodate the SM?
Chris Quigg is not part of the “fringe”.
Maybe you should invite him to the party?
Maybe he can put our two ideas together to make a dynamic quantum model?
See you at the party.
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JAL
yquantum
cool.gif jal, & Good Elf, it you read this,

jal, with the PL and direction you seem to want to go. In the middle of some work here it occurred to me that you might want to just look into loop quantum gravity.

It deals with BH, quantum geometry, QGT, etc.

Just in case you might be interested.

ciao_
yquantum

jal
Good day yquantum and all! smile.gif
I have been getting a lot of information out of LQG and quantum geometry.
There are a lot of new PDF papers trying to wrestle answers from this approach.
We seem to be locked out because we still cannot do dynamic modeling.
....The search continues
jal smile.gif
jal
Good Day!
QUOTE
Are the clues so much in our face, like our nose, that we no longer look at them?

If those obvious clues are there…. Could they have been noted and passed down to us by our forefathers?
Take a look at the following information and find the common thread that every ancient society have been able to pass down to us.
Remember that the “wise men” were the only ones capable of making up these stories and making sure that the “kernels of wisdom” was included in their stories.
Ask yourself …. “Were they able to deduct the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
“What metaphors could they have used to represent the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
Get ready for a mind blowing trip.
It’s time to meet some “amateurs”

The following links contain a lot of meta-physic, religions, occults, mystics and clues.
Don’t be taken in…. read with a grain of salt ….. look for the metaphors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkabah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_geometry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/god-p...n-pentacle.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/tartarospyth.html
http://www.worldviewz.net/mathemagics_day2.html
http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8gonsowski.html
http://dcwilson1.tripod.com/magicsquares.htm
http://web.mac.com/paulmartynsmith/iWeb/IChingmath/Home.html
http://www.kalarhythms.com/theory/th.dimensions.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_cosmology
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/planetarium/index.htm#15
http://picasaweb.google.com/mhussey/BylisAlbania
http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/yinyang.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html
http://www.earthquest.co.uk/china/china.html
http://www.ignca.nic.in/ks_41019.htm
http://www.transoxiana.org/Eran/Articles/kageyama.html
http://www.shakuhachi.com/K-9KChineseFlutes-Nature.html
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/index.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
HEH…DON’T FORGET TO COME BACK …

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After that trip… you should be able to conclude that quantum geometry/the “SPOT” would find wide acceptance.
The ancestral memory and the symbols of the self dual/double imbedded tetrahedron/ stellated octahedron/, (PLANCK SCALE VOID) have been passed down by the wise men with metaphors.


Have we taken some of the ancient concepts/wisdom and re-named and re-defined them?
Yes…for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition
There are many people working on those problems and trying to find WHAT is the cause of those observations.

I believe that the answers to those questions are hidden in the DYNAMICS of a quantum geometric model and the SCALING formulas.
Only EMF can travel in the PLANCK SCALE VOID and they can stay there for only a Planck time and travel only a Planck distance before having “to touch base” with the geometric structure of spacetime.


In my opinion, the origin of the discovery of the interlocked tetrahedra goes back farther than the written history.
This shape was probably discovered by a CAVEMAN when he looked inside the packed balls of rabbit droppings and then figured out that there existed a space that could not be occupied.
THE PLANCK SCALE QUANTUM VOID.

The “wise men” wanted this “insight”, “symbol”, to be past on to future generations of “students”.
As a result there are records of this shape going back to early civilization.
When quantum physic finally proves the shape of the “quantum foundation” includes the 2D (merkabah) and the 3D interlocked tetrahedra there will be millions of ordinary people from around the world who will say, “I knew that!”

User posted image
Remember …. : units, processes, and structures.
There were genius in every centuries.
The ancient genius did work on these problems and they did past on their insights/work to future genius.
It is up to us to try to apply our tools to the problems and to try to resolve them.
There are no Da Vinci Codes in their insights/work …
QUOTE (->
QUOTE
Are the clues so much in our face, like our nose, that we no longer look at them?

If those obvious clues are there…. Could they have been noted and passed down to us by our forefathers?
Take a look at the following information and find the common thread that every ancient society have been able to pass down to us.
Remember that the “wise men” were the only ones capable of making up these stories and making sure that the “kernels of wisdom” was included in their stories.
Ask yourself …. “Were they able to deduct the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
“What metaphors could they have used to represent the PLANCK SCALE VOID?”
Get ready for a mind blowing trip.
It’s time to meet some “amateurs”

The following links contain a lot of meta-physic, religions, occults, mystics and clues.
Don’t be taken in…. read with a grain of salt ….. look for the metaphors.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Merkabah
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Star_of_David
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacred_geometry
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pentagram
http://www.geocities.com/go_darkness/god-p...n-pentacle.html
http://www.geocities.com/satanicreds/tartarospyth.html
http://www.worldviewz.net/mathemagics_day2.html
http://tap3x.net/EMBTI/j8gonsowski.html
http://dcwilson1.tripod.com/magicsquares.htm
http://web.mac.com/paulmartynsmith/iWeb/IChingmath/Home.html
http://www.kalarhythms.com/theory/th.dimensions.htm
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Musica_universalis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Esoteric_cosmology
http://www.veda.harekrsna.cz/planetarium/index.htm#15
http://picasaweb.google.com/mhussey/BylisAlbania
http://www.chinesefortunecalendar.com/yinyang.htm
http://www.crossroad.to/Books/symbols1.html
http://www.earthquest.co.uk/china/china.html
http://www.ignca.nic.in/ks_41019.htm
http://www.transoxiana.org/Eran/Articles/kageyama.html
http://www.shakuhachi.com/K-9KChineseFlutes-Nature.html
http://www.ancienttexts.org/library/index.html
http://www.sacred-texts.com/index.htm
HEH…DON’T FORGET TO COME BACK …

------------------------------------------
After that trip… you should be able to conclude that quantum geometry/the “SPOT” would find wide acceptance.
The ancestral memory and the symbols of the self dual/double imbedded tetrahedron/ stellated octahedron/, (PLANCK SCALE VOID) have been passed down by the wise men with metaphors.


Have we taken some of the ancient concepts/wisdom and re-named and re-defined them?
Yes…for example:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_decoherence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_entanglement
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quantum_superposition
There are many people working on those problems and trying to find WHAT is the cause of those observations.

I believe that the answers to those questions are hidden in the DYNAMICS of a quantum geometric model and the SCALING formulas.
Only EMF can travel in the PLANCK SCALE VOID and they can stay there for only a Planck time and travel only a Planck distance before having “to touch base” with the geometric structure of spacetime.


In my opinion, the origin of the discovery of the interlocked tetrahedra goes back farther than the written history.
This shape was probably discovered by a CAVEMAN when he looked inside the packed balls of rabbit droppings and then figured out that there existed a space that could not be occupied.
THE PLANCK SCALE QUANTUM VOID.

The “wise men” wanted this “insight”, “symbol”, to be past on to future generations of “students”.
As a result there are records of this shape going back to early civilization.
When quantum physic finally proves the shape of the “quantum foundation” includes the 2D (merkabah) and the 3D interlocked tetrahedra there will be millions of ordinary people from around the world who will say, “I knew that!”

User posted image
Remember …. : units, processes, and structures.
There were genius in every centuries.
The ancient genius did work on these problems and they did past on their insights/work to future genius.
It is up to us to try to apply our tools to the problems and to try to resolve them.
There are no Da Vinci Codes in their insights/work …
Are the clues so much in our face, like our nose, that we no longer look at them?

The answer is ….YES.
The clues have been gather and published on the WEB by many “amateurs”.

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I’ll have a tub of ice at the door for you to place the beer.
I like my beer to be cool.
See you at the party.
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JAL
jal
Good Day!
(hopefully the smilies will be there to enliven the party)
User posted image line
SORCERER user posted image flying bat
You cannot turn back the clock. The WEB is here to stay. Information is being shared.
The “sorcerers” have made their “witching brew formulas” available for all of the “apprentices” and for anyone who cares to search …
user posted image sorcerer
There are many different “witching brew formulas” for the “apprentices” to look at.
One school of thought by one “sorcerers” is no longer the way to go.
Let’s add our efforts to the work of the best minds that have ever lived over the thousands of years of recorded history.
user posted image bat
The “apprentices” will be driving their “masters” crazy with the competing formulas from the other “masters”.
user posted image dragon
Are we capable of completing the work started by the ancients?

Post your “witching brewing formulas” for everyone to see.
Remember… waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensions.
user posted image drinking beer
Who knows… maybe the “sorcerers” will enjoy our “witching brewing formulas”.
DUE TO EVERYONE DIFFERENT FRAME OF REFERENCE (DIFFERENT TIME ZONES) EVERYTHING WILL APPEAR TO BE ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED.
However, be assured that nothing travels faster than © and that there are no shortcuts.

See you at the party 31 Oct. 2006. (24 hours from now.)
user posted image
JAL
jal
(hopefully the smilies will be there to enliven the party)
user posted image line
.................................IT'S PARTY TIME.............................

............................................LETS HAVE FUN...........................


QUOTE
DUE TO EVERYONE DIFFERENT FRAME OF REFERENCE (DIFFERENT TIME ZONES) EVERYTHING WILL APPEAR TO BE ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED

However, be assured that nothing travels faster than © and that there are no shortcuts.
user posted image sorcerer

MUSIC.............DANCING..................APPLE BOBBING............. ETC.
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The first and most obvious candidate that needs to be confirmed or disproved is the quantum Planck scale “void”. We have the mathematical tools ( quantum geometry) that can be applied to make predictions for the next round of experiments at CERN. Will the experimental tools be adequate or will we have to pass on the problem to the next generation?
My future search will be to look for the progress that is being made by our generation of experts.
If your searches find anything…. Feel free to link it in this thread.
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Is it possible to have music? Of course! …Here is the math that can be applied to the “spot”?
user posted image band
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……waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensions

Hamiltonian and physical Hilbert space in polymer quantum mechanics
Authors: Alejandro Corichi, Tatjana Vukasinac, Jose A. Zapata
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610072
QUOTE (->
QUOTE
DUE TO EVERYONE DIFFERENT FRAME OF REFERENCE (DIFFERENT TIME ZONES) EVERYTHING WILL APPEAR TO BE ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED

However, be assured that nothing travels faster than © and that there are no shortcuts.
user posted image sorcerer

MUSIC.............DANCING..................APPLE BOBBING............. ETC.
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The first and most obvious candidate that needs to be confirmed or disproved is the quantum Planck scale “void”. We have the mathematical tools ( quantum geometry) that can be applied to make predictions for the next round of experiments at CERN. Will the experimental tools be adequate or will we have to pass on the problem to the next generation?
My future search will be to look for the progress that is being made by our generation of experts.
If your searches find anything…. Feel free to link it in this thread.
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Is it possible to have music? Of course! …Here is the math that can be applied to the “spot”?
user posted image band
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……waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensions

Hamiltonian and physical Hilbert space in polymer quantum mechanics
Authors: Alejandro Corichi, Tatjana Vukasinac, Jose A. Zapata
Date: Mon, 16 Oct 2006
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0610072
The dynamics is constructed as a continuum limit of effective theories characterized by a scale, and requires a renormalization of the inner product. The result is a physical Hilbert space in which the continuum Hamiltonian can be represented and that is unitarily equivalent to the Schr¨odinger representation of quantum mechanics. As a concrete implementation of our formalism, the simple harmonic oscillator is fully developed.

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Here is someone who is following the developments and who is “qualified” to comment.
CHRISTINE’S BACKGROUND INDEPENDENT QUANTUM GRAVITY STUDY HALL
http://christinedantas.blogspot.com/
interests are Astrophysics, Cosmology and Quantum Gravity.
user posted image band
jal
Confused2
smile.gif Party time smile.gif

Not Decoherence .. much worse..

I was at a 'do' recently in quite eminent company (most unusual for me). Despite realizing the person sitting opposite them (that would be me) was not quite up to their level the person very kindly tried to make polite conversation.
"How long did it take you to get here?" they asked.
A girl, plumb in my line of sight is starting to breastfeed her baby unsure.gif .
"About three hours" I reply. Totally absurd but never mind.
"What car have you got?" they ask, trying to keep the questions as simple as possible.
I can't see my car from where I am, all I can see is the girl breastfeeding. Then I remember I didn't come in my car, it's back home breastfeeding in the car park near my house. But what sort of car is it?.. I MUST KNOW THAT.. small but perfectly formed?
"A Toyota" I hear myself saying.
"What sort of Toyota is it?" they ask, pretending to be interested.
I've never owned a Toyota, I have no interest in them and I have no idea what any of them might be called.
"I don't know" I reply.
Conversation didn't exactly flow after that.

** If I become a problem just ask me to leave. **

-C2.

fivedoughnut
Dearest departed blink.gif laugh.gif

Taste this stuff....beer factor 10 Captain!


Holographic Haloween
jal
Hi biggrin.gif Confused2 biggrin.gif
Why leave... stay as long as you can... we can have fun over a beer.
What to hear some music?

user posted image
As you can see….If you have the right “foundation” then you can make music.
Let’s look at some some music made by the ancients and then look at some new music.
Kepler and the "Music of the Spheres"
http://www.skyscript.co.uk/kepler.html
user posted image
Turn on your speakers… listen to something new. Listen to the wave of the future
"Carmen of the Spheres"
http://www.archive.org/details/GregFoxCarm...-Spheres160.mp3
"Reshaping the Stars"
http://www.archive.org/details/Greg-Fox_Reshaping-the-Stars

“Easter SETI”
http://www.archive.org/details/Greg-Fox_Easter-SETI
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jal

fivedoughnut We posted at the same time.
Stay a while....grab a chair .....
I just had a peek at your link....
The ancient were geniuses.... we a still passing on their message.
I looked at the published stuff.... great!
http://www.zeropoint.ca/quantum_approach.html
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jal
Confused2
Yo 5D! Cough, utter tosh, mutter, cough. Yes!

Recently we had a paper pointing out that information is energy and that if you had more than X amount of information within Y volume it would form a black hole. Somehow I feel we're a fair distance away from catastrophes like that .. could there be something pushing back from the 'other side'? Something (else) to calm things down at Planck scale? Damping? Spreader outerers?
-C2.

fivedoughnut
Salad Fingers
"THEY"
TRICK OR TREAT!!!

Ladies and gentlemen, first off I am sorry to announce that the website that had the graphic of spherical tonnetz (that looked like Jal's planck sphere) has changed the website slightly, and the graphic is no longer there...... so there will be no disco ball today. rolleyes.gif

But for the listening pleasure...

Some modern music:
http://www.lns.cornell.edu/spr/2006-06/msg0074639.html

For the “braided” hippie generation:
http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/week234.html

And for the techno group since digital music is becoming popular now:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Digital_physics

Sorry jal, it is up to you to decide if it works with Planck or not... wink.gif
Confused2
QUOTE (me+)

could there be something pushing back from the 'other side'?


Ickle hands? ph34r.gif

-C2.
jal
Confused2
From my model .... the only thing that I could speculate .... would be the 2D membrane..... I'll let the TOE project make the link, if there is one. biggrin.gif

"THEY"
WOW!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I never knew that the quantum structure was sticking out so much in music.

Take a chair ..... center stage please..... Here ....have a beer.
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jal
Confused2
Iftheresanybodywhocanshowmeaniceisotropicwaytotogetfrom2Dmembranesto3DI'dliketohearfromthem huh.gif . I'll be sitting on the stairs if anybody wants me.

jal
Confused2
Come on.... have a dance.... that will help you think.
user posted image
user posted image
jal
"THEY"
Did you guys catch Troc's last post?

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...35&#entry139133

As you know, I was majoring in both music and physics. I do think they fit far better than is currently known, thats my story and I am sticking with it! Afterall, if strings vibrate, then they are making universe music, right? I just hope I live long enough to hear it. Do you think I can learn to play that kind of music on my synth? wink.gif

Your beer made me giggle!
Neil Farbstein
QUOTE (Confused2+Oct 31 2006, 06:22 PM)
smile.gif Party time smile.gif

Not Decoherence .. much worse..

I was at a 'do' recently in quite eminent company (most unusual for me). Despite realizing the person sitting opposite them (that would be me) was not quite up to their level the person very kindly tried to make polite conversation.
"How long did it take you to get here?" they asked.
A girl, plumb in my line of sight is starting to breastfeed her baby unsure.gif .
"About three hours" I reply. Totally absurd but never mind.
"What car have you got?" they ask, trying to keep the questions as simple as possible.
I can't see my car from where I am, all I can see is the girl breastfeeding. Then I remember I didn't come in my car, it's back home breastfeeding in the car park near my house. But what sort of car is it?.. I MUST KNOW THAT.. small but perfectly formed?
"A Toyota" I hear myself saying.
"What sort of Toyota is it?" they ask, pretending to be interested.
I've never owned a Toyota, I have no interest in them and I have no idea what any of them might be called.
"I don't know" I reply.
Conversation didn't exactly flow after that.

** If I become a problem just ask me to leave. **

-C2.

Do you come to New York confused too. I've been to parties like that one.
bee
WÀrlö©k iņ dÅ ħÕцsĕ, Kicking bacK a cold oNe ♥♥♥ smile.gif
jal
"THEY"
Troc's last post?...yep!
You and him ought to sit together and have a conversation. He always has something interesting to say.
I do think that he is working on dynamics with Confused2.
Imagine .... trying to do that with 6 bodies or 12 when you do not have a quantum geometric model to guide you.
It's no wonder that we observe ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED and postulate unexplained mechanisms.
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The old masters had abilities that we can only dream about. They disciplined their mind to be able to do DYNAMICS.
That is what a good square dancer caller could do.

See the “Magic Cubes”
http://members.shaw.ca/hdhcubes/

To get you started you might try a simple versions smile.gif
Simple Sudoku
http://www.buzzys.net/sudoku.html
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jal
Confused2
Hi 5D,bee,jal, NF, THEY,

jal.. I don't think I have danced since I overheard some grotty child talk about 'Dad dancing', though there may a few occasions since which I don't actually remember.

NF .. I never leave Blighty, enough bad things happen here without going looking for them.

THEY .. I forgot THEY2 (how could I have?) .. sorry. That's my late night stories gone for a burton (your discretion?). I read the post from Troc and that's partly why I went to sulk on the stairs. If those guys are not detecting the most photons where there is the greatest probability of detecting photons then what are they detecting?

bee .. hi honey. Oh yuk. Had to do it tho. Sorry.

5D .. until a few weeks ago I thought I had two computer screens. And two keyboards. Still think you're ahead?

jal, can I offer everybody a glass of Planck's Amazing Lager? You've done this already but it's still interesting .. is it frothy.. flat.. or something else? Mine seems to have something in it that stops it frothing, I don't know what it is though. Tastes OK tho.

-C2.
bee
QUOTE

bee .. hi honey. Oh yuk. Had to do it tho. Sorry.


Dont u like my Halloween costume? ur not suppose 2... hehehe... Do I get a treat?

jal
Hi Bee.... smile.gif
Are you going to stay for a beer? Got a good story for us?
I got a song coming up ..... later biggrin.gif
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Confused2...Thanks ........ a glass of Planck's Amazing Lager
I'm going to accept that we see ENTANGLED, DECOHERENT AND SUPERIMPOSED without postulating unexplained mechanisms.
There is a race going on right now.... to find a structure....
……waves…. Planck void ….. quantum geometry …. 2 dimensions
When the experts have confirmed the Planck void ...... then I'll propose a credible explanation with the "spot".
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jal
Confused2
bee .. my imagination has been switched off for the purposes of this post.

jal.. yes. waves. I am so contaminated with 'probability of detection' type stuff that I may have closed off a few things .. anything .. even old stuff that I might have missed?

-C2.
bee
QUOTE

Are you going to stay for a beer?


I'll have a Chivas or Black label.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE

Are you going to stay for a beer?


I'll have a Chivas or Black label.


Got a good story for us?


Sounds like u got me going for the trick! Which one would you like?

QUOTE

I got a song coming up ..... later


Which one?
"THEY"
BEE, C2 may not wish to say anything, but I will!

Your costume is wonderful! Very well thought out. And the color looks great on you.

And WHERE DID YOU GET THOSE SHOES?????? rolleyes.gif
Confused2
If I had a vote then a story sounds pretty good to me..
-C2.
jal
Good day everyone!
The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it. smile.gif
I thought that you could get a better appreciation of the harmony that the sun brings us.
Check out Birmingham Solar Oscillations Network
http://bison.ph.bham.ac.uk/
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jal
Confused2
Shoes?
"THEY"
QUOTE (Confused2+Oct 31 2006, 03:58 PM)
Shoes?

Men never understand us women.........
Confused2
QUOTE (jal+)

The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it.


As we are posting in pretty much 'real time' I would draw attention to the fact that I am currently on the dark side of the planet. A stunningly beautiful planet.

Thanks jal, thanks all. 'nuff said.

C2.
jal
Oh! oh! Confused2 is in need of a bedtime song. smile.gif
"THEY" if you put music to these words .... remember .... you owe me 50% of the royalties.

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Let’s-make-mu-sic.-Gaze-deep-ly-in-to-the-crys-tal.
Ride-the-spi-ral.-Put-the-crys-tal-to-the-an-vil user posted image


List-en-to-the-tune-of-the-ham-mer-as-it-beats
Catch-the-ris-ing-rhy-thms-12-by-12-as-they-come
Breathe-in-the-me-lo-dy.-Let-the-har-mo-ny-sooth
List-en-to-tho-se-spot-s.-Let-the-shiv-ers-come
Feel-the-flush.-Ec-sta-sy-ri-ding-on-the-wa-ves
Ride-the-wa-ves.-En-light-en-ment-is-near-at-hand
Feel-the-flush-to-your-TOE.-Mak-ing-the-vi-sion-real

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rolleyes.gif jal
bee
QUOTE

Good day everyone!
The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it.


1:45 am, here in South Africa, The dark side. Been a little hot here the past days. I love the sun, appreciate the cooler evenings and stars gazing too.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE

Good day everyone!
The sun is shinning in my part of the world. I love it.


1:45 am, here in South Africa, The dark side. Been a little hot here the past days. I love the sun, appreciate the cooler evenings and stars gazing too.


I thought that you could get a better appreciation of the harmony that the sun brings us.


We can enjoy/boogie to the same beat frequency. Troc's music from the sun...

QUOTE

Men never understand us women.........


Will we ever...At least you like my shoes! smile.gif

I figured out who the "they" in they really is, it's them!

The costume had me going for a while, glad you noticed the symbolic effort.

Cheers, Thanks for the party Jal.

Best to All.
yquantum
ohmy.gif jal, C2, "THEY", NF, bee, et al,

I guess I missed the party, been busy working dealing with a problem that needed to be looked into.

I truly hope everyone will find there place under the SUN, with a cool drink near by.

QUOTE
A body of work such as Pasteur’s is inconceivable in our time: no man would be given a chance to create a whole science. Nowadays a path is scarcely opened up when the crowd begins to pour in.

Jean Rostand


Next time jal, "THEY", "2" [hope the music and physics goes well and you "2" take care.

ciao_
yquantum sad.gif
jal
Good Day yquantum smile.gif
Welcome!
user posted image

QUOTE
Nowadays a path is scarcely opened up when the crowd begins to pour in.

user posted image
I'm going to let the partyer have fun.... I'm going to take a nap near the door to welcome any latecomers.
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jal
yquantum
I wish you the very best, Sir. jal.

y
RealityCheck
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Hi jal! Hi everyone! Sorry I'm late! Boy, I could hear the racket from all the way down the street....aren't you afarid the neighbours will complain, jal? hehehe.

jal, I'm also sorry to come empty handed (except for this virtual bottle of wine). Medical problems, computer problems and sundry distractions have been hampering the finalisation of an ELECTRO-MAGNETIC/PHOTONIC PROPAGATION/STRUCTURE explanation which I was hoping to finish in time to bring to your party. And the TOE 'implications' have also been delayed, so I couldn't bring THEM either. Sorry!

But are you going to have ANOTHER PARTY ANY TIME SOON? I think I'll manage to bring something THEN!

BTW, who chose the music....TRoc? Wow! It's got a great 'backbeat' to it, hehehe!

Gotta go now. Cheers all! See ya at jal's NEXT TIME.

RC.
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fivedoughnut
Jal,

Thanks for everything, we all owe you so much. biggrin.gif ....... Sadly my 'spell' @ the party was somewhat brief ..... kids .... 5 of them! ..... I'm afraid they'll always come 1st.

Daddy 5-D.
jal
TRoc!

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It’s a gem!! You came late for the party but you are making it real!
I’m going to enter it into the discussion and summary.

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/physics/pdf/0207/0207116.pdf
Work functions, ionization potentials, and in-between:
Scaling relations based on the image charge model

Kin Wong, Sascha Vongehr, and Vitaly V. Kresin
Department of Physics and Astronomy,
University of Southern California, Los Angeles, CA 90089-0484, USA
(Dated: July 28, 2006)

QUOTE
1. Cubeoctahedron
The cubeoctahedron is a shape with small surface area which can be cut out of an fcc crystal. The number of hard spheres as a function of the number of shells k is given by65
N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The outer radius R is given by R = (2k − 1)r0. For
large k this becomes R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3. The same expression can be derived by evaluating the volume of the circumscribing sphere relative to the sum of the volumes of the small hard spheres67.

4. Icosahedron
The icosahedron has the highest symmetry of all discrete point groups. Although due to it’s five-fold symmetry, the icosahedron does not form bulk crystals, it can be considered as a slightly distorted fcc crystal. The icosahedron structure has been observed for small clusters of inert-gas clusters, Ca, and Mg clusters (see references in 65). The relationship between the number of hard spheres and the number of shells is the same as for the cube-octahedron65: N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The radius is also given by the same expression as for the cube-octahedron R = (2k − 1)r0. The resulting expression for the cluster radius is therefore the same as for the cube-octahedron. For large k the radius is:
R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3.

VI. SUMMARY
The main results of this work can be summarized as follows.
(1) Starting with an expression for the electron removal energy in terms of the image charge potential for an isolated spherical particle and a surface cutoff parameter [Eq. 3], we explored how this model may be consistently applied to metallic systems ranging from bulk surfaces to finite clusters and down to individual atoms.
(2) We showed that this approach provides a transparent physical explanation for the empirical fact that the atomic ionization potentials and polycrystalline work functions of the metallic elements exhibit an almost constant ratio of ∼ 2 over the periodic table [Eqs.
(1, 10)].
(3) We found that for most elements there is a remarkably close numerical correlation between the values of the nearest-neighbor distance in a crystal, the cube root of the atomic polarizability, and the image force cutoff parameter. This correlation may be rationalized qualitatively, but appears worthy of further study.
(4) Taking advantage of this correlation, we formulated simple expressions for the cut-off distance [Eq. (7)] and the atomic and cluster radii [Eqs. (11,14,15)]. They yield good estimates for the work function, the ionization potential, and the cluster electron removal energies by using only a single input parameter, the atomic polarizability. No extra adjustable parameters are required.
(5) Generalizing the scaling argument to the case of binary alloys, we found that it can simulate the shape of the concentration dependence of work functions of continuous bulk solutions [Eq. (12)].
(6) We also provided an analytical derivation of the connection between the geometric structure of a cluster of close-packed spheres and its outer radius. It is described by an equation of the type (13), but the precise numerical coefficient is shown to depend on the packing structure.

By generalizing, this work has application to the TOE project.
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1. Cubeoctahedron
The cubeoctahedron is a shape with small surface area which can be cut out of an fcc crystal. The number of hard spheres as a function of the number of shells k is given by65
N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The outer radius R is given by R = (2k − 1)r0. For
large k this becomes R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3. The same expression can be derived by evaluating the volume of the circumscribing sphere relative to the sum of the volumes of the small hard spheres67.

4. Icosahedron
The icosahedron has the highest symmetry of all discrete point groups. Although due to it’s five-fold symmetry, the icosahedron does not form bulk crystals, it can be considered as a slightly distorted fcc crystal. The icosahedron structure has been observed for small clusters of inert-gas clusters, Ca, and Mg clusters (see references in 65). The relationship between the number of hard spheres and the number of shells is the same as for the cube-octahedron65: N = (10/3)k3 − 5k2 + (11/3)k − 1. The radius is also given by the same expression as for the cube-octahedron R = (2k − 1)r0. The resulting expression for the cluster radius is therefore the same as for the cube-octahedron. For large k the radius is:
R ≈ 2kr0 ≈ 2(3/10)1/3r0N1/3 ≈ 1.339r0N1/3.

VI. SUMMARY
The main results of this work can be summarized as follows.
(1) Starting with an expression for the electron removal energy in terms of the image charge potential for an isolated spherical particle and a surface cutoff parameter [Eq. 3], we explored how this model may be consistently applied to metallic systems ranging from bulk surfaces to finite clusters and down to individual atoms.
(2) We showed that this approach provides a transparent physical explanation for the empirical fact that the atomic ionization potentials and polycrystalline work functions of the metallic elements exhibit an almost constant ratio of ∼ 2 over the periodic table [Eqs.
(1, 10)].
(3) We found that for most elements there is a remarkably close numerical correlation between the values of the nearest-neighbor distance in a crystal, the cube root of the atomic polarizability, and the image force cutoff parameter. This correlation may be rationalized qualitatively, but appears worthy of further study.
(4) Taking advantage of this correlation, we formulated simple expressions for the cut-off distance [Eq. (7)] and the atomic and cluster radii [Eqs. (11,14,15)]. They yield good estimates for the work function, the ionization potential, and the cluster electron removal energies by using only a single input parameter, the atomic polarizability. No extra adjustable parameters are required.
(5) Generalizing the scaling argument to the case of binary alloys, we found that it can simulate the shape of the concentration dependence of work functions of continuous bulk solutions [Eq. (12)].
(6) We also provided an analytical derivation of the connection between the geometric structure of a cluster of close-packed spheres and its outer radius. It is described by an equation of the type (13), but the precise numerical coefficient is shown to depend on the packing structure.

By generalizing, this work has application to the TOE project.
A significant number of first-principles calculations have been performed for work functions of metallic systems6,7,8. In addition, simple models based on semi-empirical approaches combined with classical electrostatics have been rather successful at reproducing WF trends and values9. This suggests that some features of the desired scaling law may be found by employing such a model.

In a similar spirit, let us now consider the image-force expression for the energy required to remove an electron from an isolated finite metal particle, modelled as a conducting sphere of radius R. The particle is assumed initially neutral, i.e., after the removal of the electron it acquires an unit positive charge.

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http://arxiv.org/ftp/nucl-th/papers/0309/0309035.pdf
The double tetrahedron structure of the nucleus
Jozsef Garai
Department of Earth Sciences Florida International University University Park,
E-mail: jozsef.garai@fiu.edu
4 Oct 2003
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Expanding a double tetrahedron formation of equal spheres arranged in fcc structure correlation between the positions of the nucleons and quantum numbers has been detected. The number of protons in the structure is not simply consistent with all the corresponding quantum numbers but also bears the same physical meaning as in quantum mechanics. The detected correlations between lattice positions of the protons and quantum numbers raise the possibility the solid nuclear structure might be able to provide an explanation for the single particle properties of the nuclei.
Other nuclear properties supporting a double tetrahedron nuclear structure are the followings.
These correlations are consistent with the physical meaning of the quantum description; therefore, a random coincidence should be excluded. The detected correlations raised the possibility that the double tetrahedron crystalline model might provide the first comprehensive description of the nuclei by combining the individual particle, collective, and clustering characteristics of the nuclei.

http://www.npaci.edu/successes/2001_tetra.html
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/08.16/06-atomic.html
http://www.npaci.edu/enVision/v17.3/students.html#chemical
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Expanding a double tetrahedron formation of equal spheres arranged in fcc structure correlation between the positions of the nucleons and quantum numbers has been detected. The number of protons in the structure is not simply consistent with all the corresponding quantum numbers but also bears the same physical meaning as in quantum mechanics. The detected correlations between lattice positions of the protons and quantum numbers raise the possibility the solid nuclear structure might be able to provide an explanation for the single particle properties of the nuclei.
Other nuclear properties supporting a double tetrahedron nuclear structure are the followings.
These correlations are consistent with the physical meaning of the quantum description; therefore, a random coincidence should be excluded. The detected correlations raised the possibility that the double tetrahedron crystalline model might provide the first comprehensive description of the nuclei by combining the individual particle, collective, and clustering characteristics of the nuclei.

http://www.npaci.edu/successes/2001_tetra.html
http://www.hno.harvard.edu/gazette/2001/08.16/06-atomic.html
http://www.npaci.edu/enVision/v17.3/students.html#chemical
Chan used a variation of a well-known mathematical technique to discover a novel arrangement of atoms missed by other scientists. He found that 78 neutral atoms could theoretically settle into the shape of a particular double icosahedron.
Leary and his colleagues use a variety of modeling techniques to examine how 10 to more than 100 neutral atoms arrange themselves into the lowest energy states possible. Their method works like an explorer scanning new countryside. An algorithm hops from one possible energetic state to another, each of which corresponds to a different cluster geometry, looking for the one with the deepest valley.
"This new double-icosahedral structure has a lower potential energy than the other structure," said Chan. This means that his structure, not the single icosahedral structure previously reported, may represent the actual 3-D structure of 78-atom clusters in nature.


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http://www.rwgrayprojects.com/synergetics/s06/p2200.html
R. Buckminster Fuller
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624.03  Both the positive and negative tetrahedra can locally accommodate the 45 different energy exchange couplings and message contents, making 90 such accommodations all told. These accommodations would produce 30 different "apparent" tetrahedron position shifts, whose successive movements would always involve an angular change of direction producing a helical trajectory.

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There is a thread in all of those approaches. smile.gif It leads to the "SPOT". smile.gif
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Does there exist a mathematical approach that can analyse the "SPOT"?
Try sheaf cohomology, Abstract Differential Geometry
http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/hep-th/pdf/0610/0610065.pdf

Discretising differential geometry via a new product on the space of chains
Vivien de Beauc´e and Siddhartha Sen
† Department of Physics, Hokkaido University, Sapporo, 060-0810 - Japan
E-mail: debeauce@particle.sci.hokudai.ac.jp
‡ I.A.C.S Jadavpur, Kolkatta 700032 - India
‡ School of Mathematical Sciences, UCD, Belfield, Dublin 4, Ireland
E-mail: sen@maths.ucd.ie
05 Oct 2006
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5 Discussion
In order to test the usefulness of the method in concrete applications, we propose three concrete
applications:
• Topological field theory: calculation of the Reidemeister torsion in a combinatorial way.
• Simplicial gravity: comparing with 2D random surface models for gravity, for Nambu-Goto and for actions including matter fields.
• Electromagnetic theory: discretising Maxwell’s equations.


http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0607/0607038.pdf
A Dodecalogue of Basic Didactics from Applications of Abstract Differential Geometry to Quantum Gravity
Ioannis Raptis_
July 10, 2006
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5 Discussion
In order to test the usefulness of the method in concrete applications, we propose three concrete
applications:
• Topological field theory: calculation of the Reidemeister torsion in a combinatorial way.
• Simplicial gravity: comparing with 2D random surface models for gravity, for Nambu-Goto and for actions including matter fields.
• Electromagnetic theory: discretising Maxwell’s equations.


http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0607/0607038.pdf
A Dodecalogue of Basic Didactics from Applications of Abstract Differential Geometry to Quantum Gravity
Ioannis Raptis_
July 10, 2006
We summarize the twelve most important in our view novel concepts that have arisen, based on results that have been obtained, from various applications of Abstract Differential Geometry (ADG) to Quantum Gravity (QG)

Comments, Discussion welcomed
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jal
The paper that you have all been waiting for.

"SPOT" HAS MADE IT IN THE arxiv.org

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0610/0610056.pdf
Quantum Mechanics and the Generalized Uncertainty Principle
Jang Young Bang_ and Micheal S. Berger†
01 Dec 2006
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VI. SUMMARY AND CONCLUSIONS
We have derived the generalized uncertainty principle from a toy model of discretized space by considering quantum mechanics on a circle where the compacification involves the momentum. This model may be useful in exploring how the ultraviolet limit is approached in more realistic models of discrete spacetime or models of quantum gravity with a fundamental or minimum length. This may result in an improved understanding of the origin of the generalized uncertainty principle in theories of quantum gravity.

THIS IS ONLY THE BEGINNING OF WHAT IS TO COME.
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THE "MATH KIDS" ARE WORKING ON MY APPROACH
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http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/arxiv/pdf/0706/0706.1534v1.pdf
Coupling gauge theory to spinfoam 3d quantum gravity
Simone Speziale∗
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St. N, Waterloo, ON N2L 2Y5, Canada.
June 11, 2007
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If you got trouble understanding this paper then go look at my simple presentation in my blog and the spinning double tetra.
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Previous papers

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0606/0606074v2.pdf
A semiclassical tetrahedron
Carlo Rovelli and Simone Speziale_
CPT†, CNRS Case 907, Universit´e de la M´editerran´ee, F-13288 Marseille
Perimeter Institute, 31 Caroline St.N, Waterloo, ON-N2L-2Y5, Canada
March 31, 2007

http://arxiv.org/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0611/0611097v1.pdf
Grasping rules and semiclassical limit of the geometry
in the Ponzano–Regge model
Jonathan Hackett and Simone Speziale
17 Nov 2006
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