QUOTE (Capracus+Jan 29 2008, 11:38 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/hl_nm/cancer_cannabis_dc
What?! I always thought taking drugs was good for you
!
- Gehn
What?! I always thought taking drugs was good for you
! - Gehn
lol as a quadriplegic who medically uses marijuana i have some advice dont smoke, vaporize
QUOTE (dougie_fresh_007+Jan 29 2008, 04:34 PM)
lol as a quadriplegic who medically uses marijuana i have some advice dont smoke, vaporize
Yes. Unfortunately, this study will probably be used for more ignorant protests against drug use rather than for education about safer ways to use this drug.
Yes. Unfortunately, this study will probably be used for more ignorant protests against drug use rather than for education about safer ways to use this drug.
QUOTE (PhysBang+Jan 29 2008, 04:58 PM)
Yes. Unfortunately, this study will probably be used for more ignorant protests against drug use rather than for education about safer ways to use this drug.
whats worse is it is considered schedule 1 (cocaine is 2) meaning that it is sooo dangerous that it can not even be tested for good, only bad effects, & it along w/all other sched 1 drugs r deemed to have jno medical use
whats worse is it is considered schedule 1 (cocaine is 2) meaning that it is sooo dangerous that it can not even be tested for good, only bad effects, & it along w/all other sched 1 drugs r deemed to have jno medical use
Harmful side effects of marijuana:
Short term memory loss. (temporary)
Slowed reflexes. (temporary)
Bronchitis. (temporary)
All three are only evident in those who currently use marijuana on a regular basis. In-frequent users show no significant side effects.
Contrary to popular belief, most valid studies do not show any significant increased risk of lung cancer. It has been speculated that the harsh nature of marijuana smoke, combined with the propensity of marijuana smokers to not use filters results in significant coughing, which expels most cancer-causing carcinogens from the lungs before they can be absorbed. If memory serves me, most studies place the risk of lung cancer for marijuana users approximately 2% above non-users who do no smoke tobacco.
However, marijuana can increase the risk of lung cancer in users who also smoke tobacco by a significant amount. I believe 33% was the given number in several studies.
It is interesting to note that several studies actually showed a REDUCED risk of lung cancer in marijuana-only users, when compared to those who smoke neither marijuana nor tobacco.
Feel free to double check my claims. I'm quite confident in them, however, I may have mis-remembered something, or there may be new studies of which I am not aware.
Short term memory loss. (temporary)
Slowed reflexes. (temporary)
Bronchitis. (temporary)
All three are only evident in those who currently use marijuana on a regular basis. In-frequent users show no significant side effects.
Contrary to popular belief, most valid studies do not show any significant increased risk of lung cancer. It has been speculated that the harsh nature of marijuana smoke, combined with the propensity of marijuana smokers to not use filters results in significant coughing, which expels most cancer-causing carcinogens from the lungs before they can be absorbed. If memory serves me, most studies place the risk of lung cancer for marijuana users approximately 2% above non-users who do no smoke tobacco.
However, marijuana can increase the risk of lung cancer in users who also smoke tobacco by a significant amount. I believe 33% was the given number in several studies.
It is interesting to note that several studies actually showed a REDUCED risk of lung cancer in marijuana-only users, when compared to those who smoke neither marijuana nor tobacco.
Feel free to double check my claims. I'm quite confident in them, however, I may have mis-remembered something, or there may be new studies of which I am not aware.
My lungs are still good. I've smoked both for more than thirty years, and lung x-rays show clear. I can hold my breath for at least two minutes, and I don't dive any more. (bad ear)
As to the other temporary side-effects, I've never had bronchitis or been slowed down, that I can remember...
As to the other temporary side-effects, I've never had bronchitis or been slowed down, that I can remember...
Don't smoke dope when your stoned! 
Tried it a few times and it's nasty. First of all, you have to inhale it for like as long as you can. Then you exhale and cough and hack til your throat's raw. Your eyes get all watery and eventually red and maybe droopy. I sit around like a veg til it passes. My speech gets slurred and I feel sleepy and lazy. Then when it wears off I get a headache you would not believe. I'm waiting for it to explode any second. I do not like it at all. I guess it effects some people oddly or you need to get the hang of it.
I don't even smoke tobacco. I've smoked like 7 times to no avail. It's still gross and nicotine does nothing for me. Any kind of smoking gives me heart burn. Bleh...
Am I unusual?
I don't even smoke tobacco. I've smoked like 7 times to no avail. It's still gross and nicotine does nothing for me. Any kind of smoking gives me heart burn. Bleh...
Am I unusual?
Your choices are your own, of course, but I implore you not to smoke tobacco!
You aren't unusual. Just lucky.
You aren't unusual. Just lucky.
I suppose you are implying Jimi used marijuana which led to Heroin...which led to his death?
I believe you are correct in that the mind is opened to furthur use of other chemicals when one finds a happy response to marijuana.
I would wonder though if everyone wants to live forever...or even until old age.
Some don't mind leaving early, they are done with this world and take themselves out of the equasion.
Maybe Jimi was ready to go, and the man had done a genius bit of music...anyway he is immortal.
Many artists are full of torment, that is why we seek beauty in art we can produce with our very own hands.
But don't listen to me, hippy~dipshit that I am!
I believe you are correct in that the mind is opened to furthur use of other chemicals when one finds a happy response to marijuana.
I would wonder though if everyone wants to live forever...or even until old age.
Some don't mind leaving early, they are done with this world and take themselves out of the equasion.
Maybe Jimi was ready to go, and the man had done a genius bit of music...anyway he is immortal.
Many artists are full of torment, that is why we seek beauty in art we can produce with our very own hands.
But don't listen to me, hippy~dipshit that I am!
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 1 2008, 06:01 PM)
I suppose you are implying Jimi used marijuana which led to Heroin...which led to his death?
I believe you are correct in that the mind is opened to furthur use of other chemicals when one finds a happy response to marijuana.
I would wonder though if everyone wants to live forever...or even until old age.
Some don't mind leaving early, they are done with this world and take themselves out of the equasion.
Maybe Jimi was ready to go, and the man had done a genius bit of music...anyway he is immortal.
Many artists are full of torment, that is why we seek beauty in art we can produce with our very own hands.
But don't listen to me, hippy~dipshit that I am!
Jimi and Janis died around the same time. They both helped define that period of our history. Nobody lives forever. It is what you do with your time that is important.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCNsZXCd58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FMhnl0__Vo
I believe you are correct in that the mind is opened to furthur use of other chemicals when one finds a happy response to marijuana.
I would wonder though if everyone wants to live forever...or even until old age.
Some don't mind leaving early, they are done with this world and take themselves out of the equasion.
Maybe Jimi was ready to go, and the man had done a genius bit of music...anyway he is immortal.
Many artists are full of torment, that is why we seek beauty in art we can produce with our very own hands.
But don't listen to me, hippy~dipshit that I am!
Jimi and Janis died around the same time. They both helped define that period of our history. Nobody lives forever. It is what you do with your time that is important.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YUCNsZXCd58
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FMhnl0__Vo
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 1 2008, 06:01 PM)
I suppose you are implying Jimi used marijuana which led to Heroin...which led to his death?
I believe you are correct in that the mind is opened to furthur use of other chemicals when one finds a happy response to marijuana.
So you buy that "gateway drug" theory? AFAIK, its never been proven. It could be that people who are not afraid to break the law will try any drugs that don't scare them too much. Even if they are the kind of individual that tries everything no matter how dangerous, Cannabis might be more prevalent so they are simply more likely to encounter it first. Cannabis doesn't presuppose them to try other drugs, their rebellious nature presupposes them to try drugs.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
I believe you are correct in that the mind is opened to furthur use of other chemicals when one finds a happy response to marijuana.
So you buy that "gateway drug" theory? AFAIK, its never been proven. It could be that people who are not afraid to break the law will try any drugs that don't scare them too much. Even if they are the kind of individual that tries everything no matter how dangerous, Cannabis might be more prevalent so they are simply more likely to encounter it first. Cannabis doesn't presuppose them to try other drugs, their rebellious nature presupposes them to try drugs.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
QUOTE (barakn+Feb 1 2008, 01:39 PM)
So you buy that "gateway drug" theory? AFAIK, its never been proven. It could be that people who are not afraid to break the law will try any drugs that don't scare them too much. Even if they are the kind of individual that tries everything no matter how dangerous, Cannabis might be more prevalent so they are simply more likely to encounter it first. Cannabis doesn't presuppose them to try other drugs, their rebellious nature presupposes them to try drugs.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
It's psychology, so it can't be "proven."
I believe it. I know from experience that my favorable response to marijuana opened me up to the possibility of trying different drugs when I was a teen.
I don't think it's inevitable, however.
And just for the record: It's always 4:20 at my place.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
It's psychology, so it can't be "proven."
I believe it. I know from experience that my favorable response to marijuana opened me up to the possibility of trying different drugs when I was a teen.
I don't think it's inevitable, however.
And just for the record: It's always 4:20 at my place.
QUOTE (barakn+Feb 1 2008, 06:39 PM)
So you buy that "gateway drug" theory? AFAIK, its never been proven. It could be that people who are not afraid to break the law will try any drugs that don't scare them too much. Even if they are the kind of individual that tries everything no matter how dangerous, Cannabis might be more prevalent so they are simply more likely to encounter it first. Cannabis doesn't presuppose them to try other drugs, their rebellious nature presupposes them to try drugs.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
As I recall, I don’t believe heroin (or marijuana) were associated with the death of Jimi Hendrix.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
As I recall, I don’t believe heroin (or marijuana) were associated with the death of Jimi Hendrix.
QUOTE (barakn+Feb 1 2008, 11:39 AM)
So you buy that "gateway drug" theory? AFAIK, its never been proven. It could be that people who are not afraid to break the law will try any drugs that don't scare them too much. Even if they are the kind of individual that tries everything no matter how dangerous, Cannabis might be more prevalent so they are simply more likely to encounter it first. Cannabis doesn't presuppose them to try other drugs, their rebellious nature presupposes them to try drugs.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
Life is the gateway drug ~ Marajuana was inevitable for me, raised at the height of the scene...I began using it at 13 and relied on it for many years to ease my mind (til 21) I tried everything else once or twice after finding that mary-jane didn't harm me...so yeah, it was a "gateway" for me and my crew. I began to drink at fifteen, two years later.
My addiction thing probably began with adrenaline... ya make a good point there!
Excitement seems to be a key componant in drug use.
http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2007/11...ck-culture.html
"The official cause of death was asphyxiation caused by inhaling his own vomit, but in the days and weeks leading up to the tragedy anyone with an ounce of common sense could see that Hendrix was heading for a terrible fall. Unfortunately...."
I believe he died from using heroin, then not being able to revive when he vomited. It seems many think that he was killed....I am open to anything.
And if you do believe the gateway theory, why are you singling out one particular drug? Are you sure the gateway drug isn't alcohol, caffeine, cough syrup, or adrenaline?
Life is the gateway drug ~ Marajuana was inevitable for me, raised at the height of the scene...I began using it at 13 and relied on it for many years to ease my mind (til 21) I tried everything else once or twice after finding that mary-jane didn't harm me...so yeah, it was a "gateway" for me and my crew. I began to drink at fifteen, two years later.
My addiction thing probably began with adrenaline... ya make a good point there!
Excitement seems to be a key componant in drug use.
http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2007/11...ck-culture.html
"The official cause of death was asphyxiation caused by inhaling his own vomit, but in the days and weeks leading up to the tragedy anyone with an ounce of common sense could see that Hendrix was heading for a terrible fall. Unfortunately...."
I believe he died from using heroin, then not being able to revive when he vomited. It seems many think that he was killed....I am open to anything.
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 1 2008, 07:33 PM)
Life is the gateway drug ~ Marajuana was inevitable for me, raised at the height of the scene...I began using it at 13 and relied on it for many years to ease my mind (til 21) I tried everything else once or twice after finding that mary-jane didn't harm me...so yeah, it was a "gateway" for me and my crew. I began to drink at fifteen, two years later.
My addiction thing probably began with adrenaline... ya make a good point there!
Excitement seems to be a key componant in drug use.
http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2007/11...ck-culture.html
"The official cause of death was asphyxiation caused by inhaling his own vomit, but in the days and weeks leading up to the tragedy anyone with an ounce of common sense could see that Hendrix was heading for a terrible fall. Unfortunately...."
I believe he died from using heroin, then not being able to revive when he vomited. It seems many think that he was killed....I am open to anything.
THC is a hallucinogen. A lot kids moved from marijuana to LSD.
My addiction thing probably began with adrenaline... ya make a good point there!
Excitement seems to be a key componant in drug use.
http://panafricannews.blogspot.com/2007/11...ck-culture.html
"The official cause of death was asphyxiation caused by inhaling his own vomit, but in the days and weeks leading up to the tragedy anyone with an ounce of common sense could see that Hendrix was heading for a terrible fall. Unfortunately...."
I believe he died from using heroin, then not being able to revive when he vomited. It seems many think that he was killed....I am open to anything.
THC is a hallucinogen. A lot kids moved from marijuana to LSD.
I used to smoke to curb migraine pain and make drawing for homework more fun. Never hurt my lungs much and gave me curiosity that has driven me to find answers. Also gave me a bit more of a healthy appetite, although I can't say my choice in foods was very wise.
I never had any problems with addiction, but I've seen some people who's lives it's troubled from sheer habit. To each his own I guess.
I never had any problems with addiction, but I've seen some people who's lives it's troubled from sheer habit. To each his own I guess.
"To each his own" - what a wonderfully refreshing comment - kind of defines a level of enlightenment our civilization was moving toward not too long ago - sadly, now lost.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Feb 1 2008, 02:48 PM)
THC is a hallucinogen.
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 1 2008, 08:28 PM)
QUOTE (barakn+Feb 1 2008, 01:39 PM)
Cannabis doesn't presuppose them to try other drugs, their rebellious nature presupposes them to try drugs.
I misread your post at first; 'rebellious' became 'religious'.
I found that quirk of mind interesting in itself. Perhaps worthy of further study.
Edit: BDW, you are correct, but if administered in large enough doses, it is hallucinogenic. Much nicer than some of the others, though... Of course, you have to have glassware to get there!
'Nuff said!
I misread your post at first; 'rebellious' became 'religious'.
I found that quirk of mind interesting in itself. Perhaps worthy of further study.
Edit: BDW, you are correct, but if administered in large enough doses, it is hallucinogenic. Much nicer than some of the others, though...
Of course, you have to have glassware to get there!'Nuff said!
QUOTE (Capracus+Jan 29 2008, 11:38 AM)
http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20080129/hl_nm/cancer_cannabis_dc
I'd like to return to the original topic for a bit. This study was done with 79 lung cancer patients. I haven't been able to read the original paper and the news article is short on details, but the paper authors were quoted as saying "Cannabis use could already be responsible for one in 20 lung cancers diagnosed in New Zealand." I haven't see their data but it seems that they were attributing cannabis smoking as the cause of only 4 of these patients' lung cancer. That's a small enough number that it might be attributable to statistical noise. I'm guessing that a few thousand people get lung cancer every year in New Zealand so I wonder why the authors thought they could get away with interviewing so few of them?
I'd like to return to the original topic for a bit. This study was done with 79 lung cancer patients. I haven't been able to read the original paper and the news article is short on details, but the paper authors were quoted as saying "Cannabis use could already be responsible for one in 20 lung cancers diagnosed in New Zealand." I haven't see their data but it seems that they were attributing cannabis smoking as the cause of only 4 of these patients' lung cancer. That's a small enough number that it might be attributable to statistical noise. I'm guessing that a few thousand people get lung cancer every year in New Zealand so I wonder why the authors thought they could get away with interviewing so few of them?
QUOTE (Derek1148+Feb 1 2008, 04:04 PM)
http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis
You think an outdated and corrected encyclopedia entry overrides a recent and precise one?
Not a good sign... Check out my link. Read the section on how THC interacts with the brain.
Any hallucinations experienced while under the effects of THC are not directly attributable to the THC, but rather to the individual brain chemistry of the subject, reacting to the effects of THC. Note that there are quite a few people who experience mild hallucinations from the release of endorphins. These are the same people who experience hallucinations while under the influence of THC.
It's not a coincidence.
Hallucinogens cause hallucinations in 100% of users. THC has never given me, my girlfriend, my brother, or 90% of the other people I know who've used it an hallucination.
See what I said above. Such hallucinations are not the direct result of the drug, but rather the body's reaction to the release of endorphins, which in turn is caused by the drug. It's like saying a family history of cancer causes depression: It's not true, it's the results of the family history in the form of passed away loved ones which causes depression.
You think an outdated and corrected encyclopedia entry overrides a recent and precise one?
Not a good sign... Check out my link. Read the section on how THC interacts with the brain.
Any hallucinations experienced while under the effects of THC are not directly attributable to the THC, but rather to the individual brain chemistry of the subject, reacting to the effects of THC. Note that there are quite a few people who experience mild hallucinations from the release of endorphins. These are the same people who experience hallucinations while under the influence of THC.
It's not a coincidence.
Hallucinogens cause hallucinations in 100% of users. THC has never given me, my girlfriend, my brother, or 90% of the other people I know who've used it an hallucination.
QUOTE
Edit: BDW, you are correct, but if administered in large enough doses, it is hallucinogenic. Much nicer than some of the others, though... Of course, you have to have glassware to get there!
See what I said above. Such hallucinations are not the direct result of the drug, but rather the body's reaction to the release of endorphins, which in turn is caused by the drug. It's like saying a family history of cancer causes depression: It's not true, it's the results of the family history in the form of passed away loved ones which causes depression.
Precisely! There are studies with regard to the cannabinoid receptors in various human tissues. Interestingly, most of the receptor sites in males are in the brain, while in females, there is a large concentration of receptor proteins in the uterus, as well.
The thoughts are that the short term memory loss effects of the drug are very closely related to the opiate initiators in various tissues.
Think of it like this: You are holding your wife's hand during labor, and she crushes the blood out of you from the pain of the contractions, yet allows you to impregnate her again? That's drugs!
The thoughts are that the short term memory loss effects of the drug are very closely related to the opiate initiators in various tissues.
Think of it like this: You are holding your wife's hand during labor, and she crushes the blood out of you from the pain of the contractions, yet allows you to impregnate her again? That's drugs!
The classification of various drugs is fluid. In the sixties and seventies, marijuana was considered a dangerous narcotic. In the not too distant past, cocaine was an ingredient in a popular soft drink.
Alcohol probably is more destructive to the body (and interpersonal relationships) than marijuana. But that is another issue.
http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic3407.htm
Alcohol probably is more destructive to the body (and interpersonal relationships) than marijuana. But that is another issue.
http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic3407.htm
I came up in the late late 60s mid 70s. the hight (pun) of the drug revolution. I was one of those who would try "Almost" anything while most of my Friends never tried anything but grass. I knew people that never drank but would smoke. For me there was two things. after I found out how harmless pot was I tended not to think the other stuff was as bad as I had been told either. Then there was the cold war thing. hell you may as well enjoy yourself today we may not be here tomorrow. 
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Feb 1 2008, 03:12 PM)
You think an outdated and corrected encyclopedia entry overrides a recent and precise one?
Not a good sign... Check out my link. Read the section on how THC interacts with the brain.
Any hallucinations experienced while under the effects of THC are not directly attributable to the THC, but rather to the individual brain chemistry of the subject, reacting to the effects of THC. Note that there are quite a few people who experience mild hallucinations from the release of endorphins. These are the same people who experience hallucinations while under the influence of THC.
It's not a coincidence.
Hallucinogens cause hallucinations in 100% of users. THC has never given me, my girlfriend, my brother, or 90% of the other people I know who've used it an hallucination.
See what I said above. Such hallucinations are not the direct result of the drug, but rather the body's reaction to the release of endorphins, which in turn is caused by the drug. It's like saying a family history of cancer causes depression: It's not true, it's the results of the family history in the form of passed away loved ones which causes depression.
Okay but flash back effects from overdosing on LSD, and a mental illness cause it to definately cause hallucinazations okay?...LOL
Hawaiian sinse was all my people would be smoking back when (in the islands) so the THC was in high abundance but ~ after years of being off the weed for pregnancy and nursing three sons, when I tried to smoke again I was "seeing things" akin to the stuff I had experienced on LSD...the very minute I smoked herb again It was like flashback to acid highs. I had to stop for good...it was just too potent, and I wondered if it caused the (potential) LSD deposits in my cellular structure to be unleashed?
The depression is because of the change in dopamine/serotonin suppily...you have changed your brain chemistry when you have used it for long...believe this! No one believes this until they actually quit smoking for a while....and get depressed!
Not a good sign... Check out my link. Read the section on how THC interacts with the brain.
Any hallucinations experienced while under the effects of THC are not directly attributable to the THC, but rather to the individual brain chemistry of the subject, reacting to the effects of THC. Note that there are quite a few people who experience mild hallucinations from the release of endorphins. These are the same people who experience hallucinations while under the influence of THC.
It's not a coincidence.
Hallucinogens cause hallucinations in 100% of users. THC has never given me, my girlfriend, my brother, or 90% of the other people I know who've used it an hallucination.
See what I said above. Such hallucinations are not the direct result of the drug, but rather the body's reaction to the release of endorphins, which in turn is caused by the drug. It's like saying a family history of cancer causes depression: It's not true, it's the results of the family history in the form of passed away loved ones which causes depression.
Okay but flash back effects from overdosing on LSD, and a mental illness cause it to definately cause hallucinazations okay?...LOL
Hawaiian sinse was all my people would be smoking back when (in the islands) so the THC was in high abundance but ~ after years of being off the weed for pregnancy and nursing three sons, when I tried to smoke again I was "seeing things" akin to the stuff I had experienced on LSD...the very minute I smoked herb again It was like flashback to acid highs. I had to stop for good...it was just too potent, and I wondered if it caused the (potential) LSD deposits in my cellular structure to be unleashed?
The depression is because of the change in dopamine/serotonin suppily...you have changed your brain chemistry when you have used it for long...believe this! No one believes this until they actually quit smoking for a while....and get depressed!
We train our synapses. If you've used pot while you study for the physics test, smoke before you take the test! You might not do as well as the student who didn't study with his 'aide', but you'll feel better about the C.
but you'll feel better about the C.
I just don't have the lungs for it these days. I tried some last Christmas and couldn't stop coughing. But I do mis those "Good 'ol days"
I just don't have the lungs for it these days. I tried some last Christmas and couldn't stop coughing. But I do mis those "Good 'ol days"
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 1 2008, 05:18 PM)
but you'll feel better about the C.
I just don't have the lungs for it these days. I tried some last Christmas and couldn't stop coughing. But I do mis those "Good 'ol days"
I have one word to say about that...
Brownies.
I just don't have the lungs for it these days. I tried some last Christmas and couldn't stop coughing. But I do mis those "Good 'ol days"
I have one word to say about that...
Brownies.
THEY,,,,HELLLLOOOOO
we need more brownies.....
(I'm going to go check my feedback for Brownies now)
we need more brownies.....
(I'm going to go check my feedback for Brownies now)
And who makes the BESTest Brownies we've ever had?
Edit: Paul, you beat me!
Edit: Paul, you beat me!
You guys are too freakin funny! Tikay gave me the heads up.
User posted image: User posted image
Should we post some REALLY STUPID jokes for you guys to laugh over?
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Should we post some REALLY STUPID jokes for you guys to laugh over?
Thanks for the brownies,,,
And as for the jokes -- go ahead but it may take us longer to get the punchline,,,,
And as for the jokes -- go ahead but it may take us longer to get the punchline,,,,
QUOTE (Sapo+Feb 1 2008, 03:05 PM)
I misread your post at first; 'rebellious' became 'religious'.
I found that quirk of mind interesting in itself. Perhaps worthy of further study.
Edit: BDW, you are correct, but if administered in large enough doses, it is hallucinogenic. Much nicer than some of the others, though... Of course, you have to have glassware to get there!
'Nuff said!
Most people who form a dope habit, use the stuff quite religiously!
It is a sort of ~spiritual outlet~ allowing the mind to take flight from more mundane realities, and into more extreme ones where...sex and ice cream may be mixed up...usually on the kitchen floor but sometimes in the den.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKl_7zK3fbI
I guess sometimes spiders are involved as well.
I found that quirk of mind interesting in itself. Perhaps worthy of further study.
Edit: BDW, you are correct, but if administered in large enough doses, it is hallucinogenic. Much nicer than some of the others, though...
Of course, you have to have glassware to get there!'Nuff said!
Most people who form a dope habit, use the stuff quite religiously!
It is a sort of ~spiritual outlet~ allowing the mind to take flight from more mundane realities, and into more extreme ones where...sex and ice cream may be mixed up...usually on the kitchen floor but sometimes in the den.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CKl_7zK3fbI
I guess sometimes spiders are involved as well.
Humm,,, where did he go? Sapo must have fell asleep after the Brownies,,,
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 1 2008, 05:02 PM)
Thanks for the brownies,,,
And as for the jokes -- go ahead but it may take us longer to get the punchline,,,,
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.
Gotta run, have a great weekend!
And as for the jokes -- go ahead but it may take us longer to get the punchline,,,,
Why did the chicken cross the road?
To get to the other side.
Gotta run, have a great weekend!
g nite,nite
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 1 2008, 06:18 PM)
Humm,,, where did he go? Sapo must have fell asleep after the Brownies,,,
Well at least we know why he calls his forum Sapo's JOINT now!
Well at least we know why he calls his forum Sapo's JOINT now!
Interesting map. I see a much higher usage in the states where it is either legal or almost legal.
I remember a TV show few years ago showing the drug test results from some of the nation's waste water treatment plants. (yes they do test them regularly)
It showed a higher reading for cocaine on the weekends. I wonder what it will look like this super bowl weekend?
I remember a TV show few years ago showing the drug test results from some of the nation's waste water treatment plants. (yes they do test them regularly)
It showed a higher reading for cocaine on the weekends. I wonder what it will look like this super bowl weekend?
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 1 2008, 06:31 PM)
Interesting map. I see a much higher usage in the states where it is either legal or almost legal.
I remember a TV show few years ago showing the drug test results from some of the nation's waste water treatment plants. (yes they do test them regularly)
It showed a higher reading for cocaine on the weekends. I wonder what it will look like this super bowl weekend?
Are there states where it is actually legal to possess it?
I didn't think there were really any where they give you a break.
I remember a TV show few years ago showing the drug test results from some of the nation's waste water treatment plants. (yes they do test them regularly)
It showed a higher reading for cocaine on the weekends. I wonder what it will look like this super bowl weekend?
Are there states where it is actually legal to possess it?I didn't think there were really any where they give you a break.
California with a prescription and Alaska either still is or was. up to, (I think) 2 ounces. there are some states that only right you a ticket if the amount is small enough.
You guys are STILL laughing? 
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 1 2008, 08:18 PM)
Humm,,, where did he go? Sapo must have fell asleep after the Brownies,,,
Man, I've been eating all this time. Now I look more like me than the me I posted then. Not. 'Night!
Man, I've been eating all this time. Now I look more like me than the me I posted then.
Not. 'Night!
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 1 2008, 07:42 PM)
Are there states where it is actually legal to possess it?I didn't think there were really any where they give you a break.
QUOTE (Derek1148 Today at 2:48 PM+)
"THC" is a hallucinogen.
Derek1148 made a statement.
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo @ Derek1148 Today at 3:28 PM+)
Incorrect.
"THC" is a cannabinoid.
Wikipedia - THC
BigDumbWeirdo said that, Derek1148 is incorrect & challenged his statement.
QUOTE (Derek1148 Today at 4:04 PM+)
http://nostalgia.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cannabis
Derek1148 posted the (above) link.
Derek1148 posted the (above) link.
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo @ Derek1148 Today at 5:12 PM+)
You think an outdated and corrected encyclopedia entry overrides a recent and precise one?
Not a good sign... Check out my link. Read the section on how THC interacts with the brain.
You've been proven incorrect once again (BigDumbWeirdo).
"THC" is not the (Marijuana) plant itself, but one of the chemicals (elements) that the plant(s) naturally produces & the Marijuana plant(s) itself is called Cannabis.
"THC" is the combination of chemical element(s) "21 Carbon atoms, 30 Hydrogen atoms & 2 Oxygen atoms" which (53 atoms) bind(s) to the Cannabinoid receptor(s) in the brain after internal consumption(s).
Tetrahydrocannabinol, also known as THC, Δ9-THC, Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), Δ1-tetrahydrocannabinol (using an older numbering scheme), or dronabinol, is the main psychoactive substance found in the Cannabis plant.
THC is a naturally occurring component in cannabis. While THC is the main psychoactive substance in cannabis, dronabinol preparations do not contain the other significant chemical constituents present in cannabis.
I'm not amazed that, your own wikipedia-link validated Derek1148 statement is 100% correct & that you didn't even recognize it before you called him incorrect & challenged his statement.
PS. If I were you (BigDumbWeirdo), I would never (say that someone is incorrect, &) challenged anyone's posts, statements, claims, etc until you (personally) know 100% exactly what you're talking about, so that you can be 100% correct & not experience the embarrassment that arrives after being proven wrong.
Not a good sign... Check out my link. Read the section on how THC interacts with the brain.
You've been proven incorrect once again (BigDumbWeirdo)."THC" is not the (Marijuana) plant itself, but one of the chemicals (elements) that the plant(s) naturally produces & the Marijuana plant(s) itself is called Cannabis.
"THC" is the combination of chemical element(s) "21 Carbon atoms, 30 Hydrogen atoms & 2 Oxygen atoms" which (53 atoms) bind(s) to the Cannabinoid receptor(s) in the brain after internal consumption(s).
Tetrahydrocannabinol, also known as THC, Δ9-THC, Δ9-tetrahydrocannabinol (delta-9-tetrahydrocannabinol), Δ1-tetrahydrocannabinol (using an older numbering scheme), or dronabinol, is the main psychoactive substance found in the Cannabis plant.
THC is a naturally occurring component in cannabis. While THC is the main psychoactive substance in cannabis, dronabinol preparations do not contain the other significant chemical constituents present in cannabis.
I'm not amazed that, your own wikipedia-link validated Derek1148 statement is 100% correct & that you didn't even recognize it before you called him incorrect & challenged his statement.PS. If I were you (BigDumbWeirdo), I would never (say that someone is incorrect, &) challenged anyone's posts, statements, claims, etc until you (personally) know 100% exactly what you're talking about, so that you can be 100% correct & not experience the embarrassment that arrives after being proven wrong.
It's been decriminalized in a lot of places, but that just ends up meaning that you'll only get in trouble if you've got the attention of the government a little farther up the ladder.
QUOTE (•SHEOL•+Feb 1 2008, 11:02 PM)
You've been proven incorrect once again (BigDumbWeirdo).
Wrong. Again. You like being wrong, don't you? THanks for copying and pasting the info from wiki that completely fails to demonstrate your point.
Lying doesn't make you any friends, kiddo.
Lying doesn't make you any friends, kiddo.
PS. If I were you (BigDumbWeirdo), I would never (say that someone is incorrect, &) challenged anyone's posts, statements, claims, etc until you (personally) know 100% exactly what you're talking about, so that you can be 100% correct & not experience the embarrassment that arrives after being proven wrong.
Have you any idea how stupid you sound? That statement is just another nail in your coffin.
How's that warning level, retard?
The Cannabinoid(s) are (neurological) receptor(s) which are located in the brain (BigDumbWeirdo).
The thing that I don't understand is that as many people that have or still smoke (for generations now) and understand how harmless this is,, why isn't it legal yet?
Strictly because you can't prove someone was stoned in a car accident like you can prove someone has been drinking alcohol.
End of subject for me, I will see you guys Monday. It pisses me off too much to argue with my friends. Cause I DO still love you guys. You are all just stupid stoners! But I am done with this thread.
Wrong. Again. You like being wrong, don't you? THanks for copying and pasting the info from wiki that completely fails to demonstrate your point.
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I'm not amazed that, your own wikipedia-link validated Derek1148 statement is 100% correct & that you didn't even recognize it before you called him incorrect & challenged his statement.
Lying doesn't make you any friends, kiddo.
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| I'm not amazed that, your own wikipedia-link validated Derek1148 statement is 100% correct & that you didn't even recognize it before you called him incorrect & challenged his statement. |
Lying doesn't make you any friends, kiddo.
PS. If I were you (BigDumbWeirdo), I would never (say that someone is incorrect, &) challenged anyone's posts, statements, claims, etc until you (personally) know 100% exactly what you're talking about, so that you can be 100% correct & not experience the embarrassment that arrives after being proven wrong.
Have you any idea how stupid you sound? That statement is just another nail in your coffin.
How's that warning level, retard?
"LSD" (helix-hexahydroindolo) is the combination of (49 atoms) chemical element(s) 20 Carbon atoms, 25 Hydrogen atoms, 3 Nitrogen atoms & 1 Oxygen atom. 
PS. BigDumbWeirdo, you should ask one of your friends to help you accept "life still continues" before & after someone proves you're (100%) right, or wrong.
PS. BigDumbWeirdo, you should ask one of your friends to help you accept "life still continues" before & after someone proves you're (100%) right, or wrong.
QUOTE (•SHEOL•+Feb 2 2008, 02:29 AM)
"LSD" (helix-hexahydroindolo) is the combination of (49 atomic) chemical element(s) 20 Carbon atoms, 25 Hydrogen atoms, 3 Nitrogen atoms & 1 Oxygen atom.
Yeah, just keep repeating that. That'll show me.
You know, if I thought there was any chance of you possibly understanding, I'd explain to you why you're so stupid. But that's the irony of it all: You're too stupid to realize how stupid you are!
Suffice it to say: You ain't proved sh*t.
Yeah, just keep repeating that. That'll show me.
You know, if I thought there was any chance of you possibly understanding, I'd explain to you why you're so stupid. But that's the irony of it all: You're too stupid to realize how stupid you are!
Suffice it to say: You ain't proved sh*t.
BigDumbWeirdo said that, Derek1148 is incorrect & challenged his statement.
But it's you who is incorrect, check the facts & your own links for your post, it proves he's correct & you're not.
Ask your friends to show you, you're wrong, Mr. chemist.
PS, Continusously denying the truth when someone proves you're wrong, don't validate you as correct.
Definition of "Hallucinogen": A (psychedelic, dissociative, deliriant) substance that affects the central nervous system.
Definition of "Cannabinoids": Cannabinoids are a group of (Terpene • Phenol) terpenophenolic compounds present in Cannabis (Cannabis sativa L). The broader definition of cannabinoids refer to a group of substances that are structurally related to tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or that bind to cannabinoid receptors.
But it's you who is incorrect, check the facts & your own links for your post, it proves he's correct & you're not.
Ask your friends to show you, you're wrong, Mr. chemist.
PS, Continusously denying the truth when someone proves you're wrong, don't validate you as correct.
Definition of "Hallucinogen": A (psychedelic, dissociative, deliriant) substance that affects the central nervous system.
Definition of "Cannabinoids": Cannabinoids are a group of (Terpene • Phenol) terpenophenolic compounds present in Cannabis (Cannabis sativa L). The broader definition of cannabinoids refer to a group of substances that are structurally related to tetrahydrocannabinol (THC) or that bind to cannabinoid receptors.
The Cannabinoid(s) are (neurological) receptor(s) which are located in the brain (BigDumbWeirdo).
I am personally very disappointed with the war on drugs, even though I don't use them anymore (except for prescribed anti-depressants which don't alter my consciousness like smoking weed did) and think we may be on the brink of change...
I think putting pot smokers in jails and prisons is ludicrous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48guWoQGa4
I do think that smoking can lead to depression and that is bad. I do think that it alters our brain chemistry...leading to non-re-uptake of necessary elements like serotonin and dopamine. This is perhaps why my depression worsened upon quitting drugs. I think smoking eases depression. And that many are already depressed when they smoke marijuana...while others are not.
Putting people in jails and prisons for using marijuana is just wrong to me, while some other drugs are so debilitating and harmful that maybe the jail time is warranted. Some folks find a twelve-step program only after being incarcerated and then begin to live happier more responsible lives, by adhering to the 12-steps upon re-entry into society.
This is a complicated issue that is not necessarily easily solvable but I believe that outlawing marijuana has ruined many a happy family, leading to much (more) single parenthood homes and many children losing out on a pretty good parent in their lives and eventually to a colder harsher society, because a two parent family is becoming almost non-existent in America...and kids are shown to do better when both parents are in the home.
I think putting pot smokers in jails and prisons is ludicrous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48guWoQGa4
I do think that smoking can lead to depression and that is bad. I do think that it alters our brain chemistry...leading to non-re-uptake of necessary elements like serotonin and dopamine. This is perhaps why my depression worsened upon quitting drugs. I think smoking eases depression. And that many are already depressed when they smoke marijuana...while others are not.
Putting people in jails and prisons for using marijuana is just wrong to me, while some other drugs are so debilitating and harmful that maybe the jail time is warranted. Some folks find a twelve-step program only after being incarcerated and then begin to live happier more responsible lives, by adhering to the 12-steps upon re-entry into society.
This is a complicated issue that is not necessarily easily solvable but I believe that outlawing marijuana has ruined many a happy family, leading to much (more) single parenthood homes and many children losing out on a pretty good parent in their lives and eventually to a colder harsher society, because a two parent family is becoming almost non-existent in America...and kids are shown to do better when both parents are in the home.
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 2 2008, 07:28 PM)
I am personally very disappointed with the war on drugs, even though I don't use them anymore (except for prescribed anti-depressants which don't alter my consciousness like smoking weed did) and think we may be on the brink of change...
I think putting pot smokers in jails and prisons is ludicrous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48guWoQGa4
I do think that smoking can lead to depression and that is bad. I do think that it alters our brain chemistry...leading to non-re-uptake of necessary elements like serotonin and dopamine. This is perhaps why my depression worsened upon quitting drugs. I think smoking eases depression. And that many are already depressed when they smoke marijuana...while others are not.
Putting people in jails and prisons for using marijuana is just wrong to me, while some other drugs are so debilitating and harmful that maybe the jail time is warranted. Some folks find a twelve-step program only after being incarcerated and then begin to live happier more responsible lives, by adhering to the 12-steps upon re-entry into society.
This is a complicated issue that is not necessarily easily solvable but I believe that outlawing marijuana has ruined many a happy family, leading to much (more) single parenthood homes and many children losing out on a pretty good parent in their lives and eventually to a colder harsher society, because a two parent family is becoming almost non-existent in America...and kids are shown to do better when both parents are in the home.
Drug education is an important component of a drug program. Marijuana usage represents few short time risks (other than incarceration). But other narcotics are dangerous and drug abusers are in some cases dangerously ignorant of potential risks.
Drug addicts occasionally cook- up (heat in a spoon) pharmaceuticals narcotics (which are morphine derivatives). The pharmaceuticals in some cases contain a jelling agent, which is used in the manufacturing process. When heated the jelling agent liquefies. Then when injected in the vein, the blood rapidly causes the pharmaceuticals to cool and thicken. This can cause serious injury to the limb involved or require amputation.
Education programs (such as DARE), which are directed at children, seem to have a positive effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Abuse_Resistance_Education
I think putting pot smokers in jails and prisons is ludicrous.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E48guWoQGa4
I do think that smoking can lead to depression and that is bad. I do think that it alters our brain chemistry...leading to non-re-uptake of necessary elements like serotonin and dopamine. This is perhaps why my depression worsened upon quitting drugs. I think smoking eases depression. And that many are already depressed when they smoke marijuana...while others are not.
Putting people in jails and prisons for using marijuana is just wrong to me, while some other drugs are so debilitating and harmful that maybe the jail time is warranted. Some folks find a twelve-step program only after being incarcerated and then begin to live happier more responsible lives, by adhering to the 12-steps upon re-entry into society.
This is a complicated issue that is not necessarily easily solvable but I believe that outlawing marijuana has ruined many a happy family, leading to much (more) single parenthood homes and many children losing out on a pretty good parent in their lives and eventually to a colder harsher society, because a two parent family is becoming almost non-existent in America...and kids are shown to do better when both parents are in the home.
Drug education is an important component of a drug program. Marijuana usage represents few short time risks (other than incarceration). But other narcotics are dangerous and drug abusers are in some cases dangerously ignorant of potential risks.
Drug addicts occasionally cook- up (heat in a spoon) pharmaceuticals narcotics (which are morphine derivatives). The pharmaceuticals in some cases contain a jelling agent, which is used in the manufacturing process. When heated the jelling agent liquefies. Then when injected in the vein, the blood rapidly causes the pharmaceuticals to cool and thicken. This can cause serious injury to the limb involved or require amputation.
Education programs (such as DARE), which are directed at children, seem to have a positive effect.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_Abuse_Resistance_Education
Hi All,
I do not understand the Feds stubborn reluctance to review its' outdated laws on marijuana. I find it hard to believe that someone hasn't figured out they can make money by controlling and taxing it as they do alcohol. The only reasons I can think of is either they are chagrined at the thought that they may have been wrong all these years or lobbyists are influencing the politicians. However, neither of these reasons seem strong enough to keep the Feds from making money off it.
I do not understand the Feds stubborn reluctance to review its' outdated laws on marijuana. I find it hard to believe that someone hasn't figured out they can make money by controlling and taxing it as they do alcohol. The only reasons I can think of is either they are chagrined at the thought that they may have been wrong all these years or lobbyists are influencing the politicians. However, neither of these reasons seem strong enough to keep the Feds from making money off it.
Just looking at the money:
how much do we spend on the incarceration process, ( cops, lawyers, guards, food lab tests, and such) I heard that it cost more than $50,000. per year to maintain a prisoner (I could be way wrong on the amount) but it was more than I made per year. Then how much money do we lose in not taxing it? I read in the '70s that (at that time an ounce cost about 30 bucks) an ounce would sell for 10 dollars with a nice profit to the grower and processors and be taxed at 10 dollars so one could buy a legal ounce for 20 dollars. This would be much less than the price that the black-market wanted (at that time). with that tax rate we could have wiped out the natl debt and eliminated income tax in 3 years. legalization would transfer the problems that occur with some to the health care industry (and they would turn a profit) and relieve the judicial system. Now I am only talking about pot not drugs. and no I don't consider grass a drug. It's no where near as harmful as alcohol.
how much do we spend on the incarceration process, ( cops, lawyers, guards, food lab tests, and such) I heard that it cost more than $50,000. per year to maintain a prisoner (I could be way wrong on the amount) but it was more than I made per year. Then how much money do we lose in not taxing it? I read in the '70s that (at that time an ounce cost about 30 bucks) an ounce would sell for 10 dollars with a nice profit to the grower and processors and be taxed at 10 dollars so one could buy a legal ounce for 20 dollars. This would be much less than the price that the black-market wanted (at that time). with that tax rate we could have wiped out the natl debt and eliminated income tax in 3 years. legalization would transfer the problems that occur with some to the health care industry (and they would turn a profit) and relieve the judicial system. Now I am only talking about pot not drugs. and no I don't consider grass a drug. It's no where near as harmful as alcohol.
Hi paul h
While this could be argued, I agree with you. And you bring up a good point about the criminal element. If they take the black market out the equation it reduces many costs to local economies.
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It's no where near as harmful as alcohol.
While this could be argued, I agree with you. And you bring up a good point about the criminal element. If they take the black market out the equation it reduces many costs to local economies.
And then the cops can spend their time doing more important things (like giving me speeding tickets)
There are many medical benefits that I'm sure goes allot further than we have discussed here, but two that come to mind are improved night vision and relief from too many ant bites.
There are many medical benefits that I'm sure goes allot further than we have discussed here, but two that come to mind are improved night vision and relief from too many ant bites.
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 2 2008, 01:22 PM)
Now I am only talking about pot not drugs. and no I don't consider grass a drug. It's no where near as harmful as alcohol.
I think it is a drug because it alters ones consciousness...I did it for eight years, for this very reason, so I have done my research!
And I am fairly sure too, that it is safer than alcohol on the body, and in society.
I think it is a drug because it alters ones consciousness...I did it for eight years, for this very reason, so I have done my research!
And I am fairly sure too, that it is safer than alcohol on the body, and in society.
I was thinking about this thread this morning, and decided to finally READ it. Thankfully no one REALLY said what I was thinking would be said, so I don't have to flame anyone. But I want to make a point of something that many pot smokers like to say. (Oh, and who ever said Alaska it is legal to have 2 ounces, it is 4 ounces. I know, my sister in law with the cancer baby prefers to live in Alaska because of that, and they can't wait to leave Seattle because it is a drug here, that even with her "medical prescription" that they both have been able to get while staying here, they could still be thrown in jail for having any)
So since no one here directly said it, I will instead flame my sister in laws boyfriend. His favorite comment is that pot is actually better than alcohol, because "the only thing pot has ever killed is a bag of potato chips". WRONG! So if any of you has ever said it, if you say it to me I will take you down in a knock down drag out fight to prove my point. I don't care how much I like you. If you are in a car accident and have been drinking, they draw blood and say your blood alcohol content was 1.6 or something. Will that hold up in court? YES. Next scenario, you are involved in a car accident, and they draw blood. No alcohol, but they find THC in your blood. Can it hold up in court? NO. Why? Because there is no proof that you smoked it 5 minutes previous to the car accident, or a month ago. Being under the influence of pot is pure speculation, and cannot be used in a court of law. If the evidence is brought up, the jury would be told by the judge that they can't use that in determining guilty or not guilty. PERIOD. It is evidence of nothing provable, and MUST be thrown out.
But to use that line (or anything similar) is nothing more than an effing excuse to get out of blame and responsibility. My analogy of that is little Mark comes home from school with a black eye. His mother looks at him and asks where he got the black eye. Mark whimpers "Johnny HIT ME!" (sob) but neglects to tell his mother that he was actually the one instigating the fight. He blames the black eye on Johnny, instead of putting the blame on the fact that he (Mark) was being a jerk and pushing Johnny around until Johnny had been pushed down to the ground and had dirt kicked in his face. Johnny snapped, stood up and wiped the dirt off, then punched Mark in the face and walked away. Mark was responsible for his own black eye. But he will never admit that!
Anyway, moving on! The excuse that pot really is no more harmful than alcohol? Probably not. Do I think that pot should be legalized? Well, I don't think it is any different than alcohol, but until you can prove that someone was under the influence of pot when something happened (like you can alcohol) NO it definitely needs to be kept illegal. I am not completely against legalizing, because it does have medicinal benefits. But if it is used as a drug (to get high), I want it kept as an illegal drug so that you can go to jail for killing someone while under the influence of pot. The fact that a pot smoker gets a lighter sentence than someone who had a few drinks is wrong.
So now that I have done my pissy beeotch rant, I will end by saying "I still love you guys", and I agree with Tikay that now we KNOW why Sapo called his BB a JOINT....... I don't care that you smoke pot, its not much different than the fact that I have a glass of wine or two a day. But if I EVER hear any of you trying to downplay pot, that it is "less evil" than alcohol, and that it should be legal, I *WILL* TAKE YOU DOWN. AND I KNOW HOW TO FIGHT!
And now with all that said, They2 thought something up this morning that she wants to say to you, so now I am handing the keyboard over to her.....
Well, put me in a brownie and call me pot! I'm growing like a weed!!!!!
So since no one here directly said it, I will instead flame my sister in laws boyfriend. His favorite comment is that pot is actually better than alcohol, because "the only thing pot has ever killed is a bag of potato chips". WRONG! So if any of you has ever said it, if you say it to me I will take you down in a knock down drag out fight to prove my point. I don't care how much I like you. If you are in a car accident and have been drinking, they draw blood and say your blood alcohol content was 1.6 or something. Will that hold up in court? YES. Next scenario, you are involved in a car accident, and they draw blood. No alcohol, but they find THC in your blood. Can it hold up in court? NO. Why? Because there is no proof that you smoked it 5 minutes previous to the car accident, or a month ago. Being under the influence of pot is pure speculation, and cannot be used in a court of law. If the evidence is brought up, the jury would be told by the judge that they can't use that in determining guilty or not guilty. PERIOD. It is evidence of nothing provable, and MUST be thrown out.
But to use that line (or anything similar) is nothing more than an effing excuse to get out of blame and responsibility. My analogy of that is little Mark comes home from school with a black eye. His mother looks at him and asks where he got the black eye. Mark whimpers "Johnny HIT ME!" (sob) but neglects to tell his mother that he was actually the one instigating the fight. He blames the black eye on Johnny, instead of putting the blame on the fact that he (Mark) was being a jerk and pushing Johnny around until Johnny had been pushed down to the ground and had dirt kicked in his face. Johnny snapped, stood up and wiped the dirt off, then punched Mark in the face and walked away. Mark was responsible for his own black eye. But he will never admit that!
Anyway, moving on! The excuse that pot really is no more harmful than alcohol? Probably not. Do I think that pot should be legalized? Well, I don't think it is any different than alcohol, but until you can prove that someone was under the influence of pot when something happened (like you can alcohol) NO it definitely needs to be kept illegal. I am not completely against legalizing, because it does have medicinal benefits. But if it is used as a drug (to get high), I want it kept as an illegal drug so that you can go to jail for killing someone while under the influence of pot. The fact that a pot smoker gets a lighter sentence than someone who had a few drinks is wrong.
So now that I have done my pissy beeotch rant, I will end by saying "I still love you guys", and I agree with Tikay that now we KNOW why Sapo called his BB a JOINT....... I don't care that you smoke pot, its not much different than the fact that I have a glass of wine or two a day. But if I EVER hear any of you trying to downplay pot, that it is "less evil" than alcohol, and that it should be legal, I *WILL* TAKE YOU DOWN. AND I KNOW HOW TO FIGHT!
And now with all that said, They2 thought something up this morning that she wants to say to you, so now I am handing the keyboard over to her.....
Well, put me in a brownie and call me pot! I'm growing like a weed!!!!!
Hi All,
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug
This definition covers a lot of territory, virtually anything could be classified as a drug. I wonder what the feds use as their criteria?
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A drug, broadly speaking, is any substance that alters normal bodily function. There is no single, precise definition, as there are different meanings in medicine, government regulations, and colloquial usage.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug
This definition covers a lot of territory, virtually anything could be classified as a drug. I wonder what the feds use as their criteria?
>I think it is a drug because it alters ones consciousness.
voice of Bill Clinton:
but it really depends on what the definition of "IS" is. ( and I didn't exhale)
Welllll,,,, technically your right,, perhaps "dope" would have been a better word.
God made grass, man made dope. Who you gona trust.
The thing that I don't understand is that as many people that have or still smoke (for generations now) and understand how harmless this is,, why isn't it legal yet?
Is it that the Powers that be are making too much money taking bribes.
voice of Bill Clinton:
but it really depends on what the definition of "IS" is. ( and I didn't exhale)
Welllll,,,, technically your right,, perhaps "dope" would have been a better word.
God made grass, man made dope. Who you gona trust.
The thing that I don't understand is that as many people that have or still smoke (for generations now) and understand how harmless this is,, why isn't it legal yet?
Is it that the Powers that be are making too much money taking bribes.
THEY I am scared a You!!! 
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 2 2008, 12:56 PM)
The thing that I don't understand is that as many people that have or still smoke (for generations now) and understand how harmless this is,, why isn't it legal yet?
Strictly because you can't prove someone was stoned in a car accident like you can prove someone has been drinking alcohol.
End of subject for me, I will see you guys Monday. It pisses me off too much to argue with my friends. Cause I DO still love you guys. You are all just stupid stoners!
But I am done with this thread.
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 2 2008, 05:01 PM)
THEY I am scared a You!!!
yea, me to considering what I just said.
But They, You are 100% right about responsibility. If someone is involved in a car wreck (or what ever) and harms someone, even if they are stoned on a prescription from a Dr. or weed or drunk they should be held liable for their actions. I have had Dr's give me pills that I knew better than to go out an try to drive with them in my system.
yea, me to considering what I just said.
But They, You are 100% right about responsibility. If someone is involved in a car wreck (or what ever) and harms someone, even if they are stoned on a prescription from a Dr. or weed or drunk they should be held liable for their actions. I have had Dr's give me pills that I knew better than to go out an try to drive with them in my system.
QUOTE ("THEY"+Feb 2 2008, 03:49 PM)
So now that I have done my pissy beeotch rant, I will end by saying "I still love you guys", and I agree with Tikay that now we KNOW why Sapo called his BB a JOINT....... I don't care that you smoke pot, its not much different than the fact that I have a glass of wine or two a day. But if I EVER hear any of you trying to downplay pot, that it is "less evil" than alcohol, and that it should be legal, I *WILL* TAKE YOU DOWN. AND I KNOW HOW TO FIGHT!
THEY, my place is a 'joint' in the sense of a juke joint. Old-timey Delta slang, nothing to do with weed. More like Spike Lee. Not as good, but that's my intent...
My history isn't relevant to my presence, I hope?
THEY, my place is a 'joint' in the sense of a juke joint. Old-timey Delta slang, nothing to do with weed. More like Spike Lee. Not as good, but that's my intent...
My history isn't relevant to my presence, I hope?
QUOTE ("THEY"+Feb 2 2008, 08:49 PM)
If you are in a car accident and have been drinking, they draw blood and say your blood alcohol content was 1.6 or something. Will that hold up in court? YES. Next scenario, you are involved in a car accident, and they draw blood. No alcohol, but they find THC in your blood. Can it hold up in court? NO.
THEY,
You raised some interesting points. However in some jurisdictions if a suspect appears intoxicated and fails a Field Sobriety Test, the suspect can be charged regardless of a negative reading from a breath (or blood) test for alcohol. The charge is Driving While Impaired (Drugs). Obviously, the police officer must collect evidence (and properly acquired statements) to present his case.
(By the way, it is .08% BAC.)
THEY,
You raised some interesting points. However in some jurisdictions if a suspect appears intoxicated and fails a Field Sobriety Test, the suspect can be charged regardless of a negative reading from a breath (or blood) test for alcohol. The charge is Driving While Impaired (Drugs). Obviously, the police officer must collect evidence (and properly acquired statements) to present his case.
(By the way, it is .08% BAC.)
QUOTE (barakn+Feb 1 2008, 09:39 PM)
So you buy that "gateway drug" theory? AFAIK, its never been proven.
No need of a theory. I'll tell you how it happens here. First you go to a drug dealer to by some cannabis. That's illegal, so you probably don't know the guy. The time passes, you buy more and more from that guy. What you don't know is that with every next buy you actually buy cannabis + heroin, because they put increasing doses of heroin to make you addicted. Then.... suddenly ... they stop putting heroin in it. But it's already too late for you. You go to that guy and beg him to give you something stronger, because the cannabis is no longer enough.....
No need of a theory. I'll tell you how it happens here. First you go to a drug dealer to by some cannabis. That's illegal, so you probably don't know the guy. The time passes, you buy more and more from that guy. What you don't know is that with every next buy you actually buy cannabis + heroin, because they put increasing doses of heroin to make you addicted. Then.... suddenly ... they stop putting heroin in it. But it's already too late for you. You go to that guy and beg him to give you something stronger, because the cannabis is no longer enough.....
QUOTE ("THEY" Today at 4:04 PM+)
Strictly because "you can't prove" someone was stoned in a car accident like you can prove someone has been drinking alcohol.
The only reasons why you said..... "But I am done with this thread." because you're wrong & can't speak competently about any subject(s).
Chemical analysis can be performed (on your hair, blood, skin, urine, feces) to determine exactly what you've been (internally & externally) consuming, since whatever the individual(s) consume(s) will be absorbed into the tissue, blood, etc & secreted out though the pores, urine, feces, etc.
The same way that, the "breathalyzer test" can detect the alcohol (atom) molecules the individual(s) who has been consuming (alcohol) will breath-out of his, or her mouth.
The only reasons why you said..... "But I am done with this thread." because you're wrong & can't speak competently about any subject(s). Chemical analysis can be performed (on your hair, blood, skin, urine, feces) to determine exactly what you've been (internally & externally) consuming, since whatever the individual(s) consume(s) will be absorbed into the tissue, blood, etc & secreted out though the pores, urine, feces, etc.
The same way that, the "breathalyzer test" can detect the alcohol (atom) molecules the individual(s) who has been consuming (alcohol) will breath-out of his, or her mouth.
QUOTE (Upisoft+Feb 2 2008, 08:08 PM)
No need of a theory. I'll tell you how it happens here. First you go to a drug dealer to by some cannabis. That's illegal, so you probably don't know the guy. The time passes, you buy more and more from that guy. What you don't know is that with every next buy you actually buy cannabis + heroin, because they put increasing doses of heroin to make you addicted. Then.... suddenly ... they stop putting heroin in it. But it's already too late for you. You go to that guy and beg him to give you something stronger, because the cannabis is no longer enough.....
A very Highly UNLIKELY scenario~ Never heard of it happening in my 45 years of life.
A very Highly UNLIKELY scenario~ Never heard of it happening in my 45 years of life.
QUOTE (•SHEOL•+Feb 2 2008, 09:03 PM)
QUOTE ("THEY" Today at 4:04 PM+)
Strictly because "you can't prove" someone was stoned in a car accident like you can prove someone has been drinking alcohol.
The only reasons why you said..... "But I am done with this thread." because you're wrong & can't speak competently about any subject(s).
Chemical analysis can be performed (on your hair, blood, skin, urine, feces) to determine exactly what you've been (internally & externally) consuming, since whatever the individual(s) consume(s) will be absorbed into the tissue, blood, etc & secreted out though the pores, urine, feces, etc.
The same way that, the "breathalyzer test" can detect the alcohol (atom) molecules the individual(s) who has been consuming (alcohol) will breath-out of his, or her mouth.
A regular pee test shows if a person has smoked marijuana recently. And a "driving while intoxicated" or "diving under the influence" may be easily established.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test#Urine_drug_screen
http://uritoxmedicaltesting.com/drugtesting.html
The thing is see, that there are hardly ever any accidents connected to marijuana use, alone. One is not that impaired on weed. Alcohol is usually the culprit, in accidents, or perhaps an accident might occur because alcohol was used in combination with marijuana. Alcohol can be a depressive to the senses and cause a lessened ability to drive. I found I drove better on marijuana than without it. I was hyper- aware of my speed and abilities paying constant attention to the road for fear of being stopped, and I didn't drive unless it was a very small high, which means I never even came close to any accidents while using "reefer" in eight years time...plus most people have better things to do than travel when they are a bit stoney. Most don't smoke then drive.
You're right, I stand corrected.
The only reasons why you said..... "But I am done with this thread." because you're wrong & can't speak competently about any subject(s). Chemical analysis can be performed (on your hair, blood, skin, urine, feces) to determine exactly what you've been (internally & externally) consuming, since whatever the individual(s) consume(s) will be absorbed into the tissue, blood, etc & secreted out though the pores, urine, feces, etc.
The same way that, the "breathalyzer test" can detect the alcohol (atom) molecules the individual(s) who has been consuming (alcohol) will breath-out of his, or her mouth.
A regular pee test shows if a person has smoked marijuana recently. And a "driving while intoxicated" or "diving under the influence" may be easily established.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Drug_test#Urine_drug_screen
http://uritoxmedicaltesting.com/drugtesting.html
The thing is see, that there are hardly ever any accidents connected to marijuana use, alone. One is not that impaired on weed. Alcohol is usually the culprit, in accidents, or perhaps an accident might occur because alcohol was used in combination with marijuana. Alcohol can be a depressive to the senses and cause a lessened ability to drive. I found I drove better on marijuana than without it. I was hyper- aware of my speed and abilities paying constant attention to the road for fear of being stopped, and I didn't drive unless it was a very small high, which means I never even came close to any accidents while using "reefer" in eight years time...plus most people have better things to do than travel when they are a bit stoney. Most don't smoke then drive.
Evidence of alcohol or narcotics usage relative to criminal prosecution in a driving violation, must be obtained legally. After an accident if the blood (or any body fluid) is tested, it must be in accordance with the law. A search warrant is sometimes necessary because if an individual is unconscious, he/she cannot provide knowledgeable and voluntary consent. Such evidence obtained outside the scope of voluntary consent or a search warrant would be inadmissible at a criminal prosecution.
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 3 2008, 10:01 PM)
A very Highly UNLIKELY scenario~ Never heard of it happening in my 45 years of life.
Yeah, but you read it. In this forum.
Why do you think it is unlikely scenario?
Yeah, but you read it. In this forum.
Why do you think it is unlikely scenario?
Sometimes drugs are laced or cut with toxic substances (such as strychnine).
Illegal drug usage is a dangerous proposition.
Illegal drug usage is a dangerous proposition.
Hi All,
Derek1148 Posted on 2/03/08 at 2:15 PM
I was looking for an article I once read about this but couldn't find it. While pot was sometimes laced years ago to enhance poor quality, strychnine was not one of the substances used. PCP was the most common.
http://www.streetdrugs.org/pcp.htm
Anyway, I found this link which some of you may find interesting. I know this is a bit off topic.
http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html
Derek1148 Posted on 2/03/08 at 2:15 PM
QUOTE
Sometimes drugs are laced or cut with toxic substances (such as strychnine).
I was looking for an article I once read about this but couldn't find it. While pot was sometimes laced years ago to enhance poor quality, strychnine was not one of the substances used. PCP was the most common.
http://www.streetdrugs.org/pcp.htm
Anyway, I found this link which some of you may find interesting. I know this is a bit off topic.
http://www.cowboybooks.com.au/html/acidtrip1.html
QUOTE (xtrmn8r+Feb 3 2008, 10:46 PM)
I was looking for an article I once read about this but couldn't find it. While pot was sometimes laced years ago to enhance poor quality, strychnine was not one of the substances used. PCP was the most common.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Feb 2 2008, 04:36 AM)
http://www.emedicine.com/MED/topic3407.htm
"Although usually grouped with other hallucinogens, marijuana rarely causes hallucinations. Acute effects from smoking marijuana include an alteration in perception or mood, laughing, increased appetite, conjunctival injection, tachycardia, and mild CNS depression."
While I won't argue with the fact that it's obviously grouped with other hallucinogens in that article, I don't see any reason why it should be so, nor have I seen it grouped with other hallucinogens in other sources. In fact, the section on Cannabinols is only four sentences long, compared with the other drugs described, which each have multiple paragraphs devoted to them.
I get the sense from that article that it was written from a point of view of someone who has little experience with marijuana, and whose knowledge of the subject was heavily influenced by government and anti-drug group propaganda.
Anyone remember the recent run of commercials suggesting that buying marijuana contributes money to terrorists?
Does anyone actually believe that a drug which predominantly comes from Canada, Mexico and the US could somehow be a cash crop for terrorists?
What about "Reefer Madness?"
I might point out that the federal government's official reasons for labeling marijuana a schedule 1 substance was based on that reasoning, which means that current law enforcement and government information dissemination is, as well.
That's why I prefer European medical information when it comes to marijuana. There's no pre-existing bias against it.
I still don't accept that marijuana is a hallucinogen, and won't without some direct evidence that it produces hallucinations in a majority of users.
Also, I noticed quite a few poeple claiming you can't prove that someone was high during a car accident in the example THEY gave.
While I disagree with THEY's assesment on the grounds that the "slowed reflexes" of marijuana users is GREATLY EXXAJURATED by those who oppose it's use/legalization, and therefore isn't going to impair one's ability to drive nearly as much as alcohol, I will say this: You can prove someone was high within the past few hours.
Wikipedia - Drug Testing - Saliva Testing
"Although usually grouped with other hallucinogens, marijuana rarely causes hallucinations. Acute effects from smoking marijuana include an alteration in perception or mood, laughing, increased appetite, conjunctival injection, tachycardia, and mild CNS depression."
While I won't argue with the fact that it's obviously grouped with other hallucinogens in that article, I don't see any reason why it should be so, nor have I seen it grouped with other hallucinogens in other sources. In fact, the section on Cannabinols is only four sentences long, compared with the other drugs described, which each have multiple paragraphs devoted to them.
I get the sense from that article that it was written from a point of view of someone who has little experience with marijuana, and whose knowledge of the subject was heavily influenced by government and anti-drug group propaganda.
Anyone remember the recent run of commercials suggesting that buying marijuana contributes money to terrorists?
Does anyone actually believe that a drug which predominantly comes from Canada, Mexico and the US could somehow be a cash crop for terrorists?
What about "Reefer Madness?"
I might point out that the federal government's official reasons for labeling marijuana a schedule 1 substance was based on that reasoning, which means that current law enforcement and government information dissemination is, as well.
That's why I prefer European medical information when it comes to marijuana. There's no pre-existing bias against it.
I still don't accept that marijuana is a hallucinogen, and won't without some direct evidence that it produces hallucinations in a majority of users.
Also, I noticed quite a few poeple claiming you can't prove that someone was high during a car accident in the example THEY gave.
While I disagree with THEY's assesment on the grounds that the "slowed reflexes" of marijuana users is GREATLY EXXAJURATED by those who oppose it's use/legalization, and therefore isn't going to impair one's ability to drive nearly as much as alcohol, I will say this: You can prove someone was high within the past few hours.
Wikipedia - Drug Testing - Saliva Testing
QUOTE (Upisoft+Feb 3 2008, 03:02 PM)
Yeah, but you read it. In this forum.
Why do you think it is unlikely scenario?
I have been around people who smoke pot for 38 years, never have I heard or read about any marijuana being purchased containing heroin...besides most people who smoke it and deal it are not the sort who would do that. Other drugs may be cut but it is really hard to cut something one examines for seeds and stems while rolling up into a smokable unit.
Has anyone here heard of weed being cut with heroin, I guess this could be something occuring recently?
Why do you think it is unlikely scenario?
I have been around people who smoke pot for 38 years, never have I heard or read about any marijuana being purchased containing heroin...besides most people who smoke it and deal it are not the sort who would do that. Other drugs may be cut but it is really hard to cut something one examines for seeds and stems while rolling up into a smokable unit.
Has anyone here heard of weed being cut with heroin, I guess this could be something occuring recently?
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 4 2008, 03:05 AM)
I have been around people who smoke pot for 38 years, never have I heard or read about any marijuana being purchased containing heroin...besides most people who smoke it and deal it are not the sort who would do that. Other drugs may be cut but it is really hard to cut something one examines for seeds and stems while rolling up into a smokable unit.
I guess you are at place with huge illegal drug market. In my case I live at place with relatively small number of drug addicts and huge quantities of drugs passing through. They just want to expand the market as fast as they can.
I guess you are at place with huge illegal drug market. In my case I live at place with relatively small number of drug addicts and huge quantities of drugs passing through. They just want to expand the market as fast as they can.
The states I have lived in have all had a large drug flow and use...Tennessee, Florida, Hawaii, and California.
I know heroin and how it smells, you could not get away with using a tar on pot, and using something of a white powder would also show on the plant and no one would get away with this for long without a high risk of losing business, not gaining more. Too detectable, too obvious. It isn't like people dont know the difference in crystalization from good weed and that from some other substance.
Besides the high would be too differant, and one would run the risk of violence and or being turned over to police for such a disregard for the customer.
I know heroin and how it smells, you could not get away with using a tar on pot, and using something of a white powder would also show on the plant and no one would get away with this for long without a high risk of losing business, not gaining more. Too detectable, too obvious. It isn't like people dont know the difference in crystalization from good weed and that from some other substance.
Besides the high would be too differant, and one would run the risk of violence and or being turned over to police for such a disregard for the customer.
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 4 2008, 12:35 AM)
The states I have lived in have all had a large drug flow and use...Tennessee, Florida, Hawaii, and California.
I know heroin and how it smells, you could not get away with using a tar on pot, and using something of a white powder would also show on the plant and no one would get away with this for long without a high risk of losing business, not gaining more. Too detectable, too obvious. It isn't like people dont know the difference in crystalization from good weed and that from some other substance.
Besides the high would be too differant, and one would run the risk of violence and or being turned over to police for such a disregard for the customer.
Legalize pot
I know heroin and how it smells, you could not get away with using a tar on pot, and using something of a white powder would also show on the plant and no one would get away with this for long without a high risk of losing business, not gaining more. Too detectable, too obvious. It isn't like people dont know the difference in crystalization from good weed and that from some other substance.
Besides the high would be too differant, and one would run the risk of violence and or being turned over to police for such a disregard for the customer.
Legalize pot
The potency of pot currently available is far superior to that of my (our?) earlier years. I know some of the stuff of my youth was cut, the current crops don't need it.
As for adding heroin to pot, well think about the money:
No one is going to put $200.00 worth of heroin into $100.00 worth of pot and still sell it for a 100 bucks their not going to loose money to entice you to buy something that your going to buy anyway. Now I have heard of spiking pot with formaldehyde but you were told well in advance. But this was done to make poor pot better never heard of spiking to get someone hooked on something harder. that is just some "reefer madness" propaganda. pure BS!
No one is going to put $200.00 worth of heroin into $100.00 worth of pot and still sell it for a 100 bucks their not going to loose money to entice you to buy something that your going to buy anyway. Now I have heard of spiking pot with formaldehyde but you were told well in advance. But this was done to make poor pot better never heard of spiking to get someone hooked on something harder. that is just some "reefer madness" propaganda. pure BS!
QUOTE (xtrmn8r+Feb 4 2008, 01:15 AM)
The potency of pot currently available is far superior to that of my (our?) earlier years. I know some of the stuff of my youth was cut, the current crops don't need it.
When one uses the term “cut” in reference to narcotics, it means “stepped on” (or diluted). Generally “smack” (heroin) is always “stepped on.” Marijuana might be adulterated with a foreign substance but it is seldom “stepped on.”
When one uses the term “cut” in reference to narcotics, it means “stepped on” (or diluted). Generally “smack” (heroin) is always “stepped on.” Marijuana might be adulterated with a foreign substance but it is seldom “stepped on.”
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 4 2008, 01:21 AM)
But this was done to make poor pot better never heard of spiking to get someone hooked on something harder. that is just some "reefer madness" propaganda. pure BS!
Current drug education has nothing in common with “Reefer Madness.” And no one is implying that smoking marijuana presents the same risks as shooting strychnine laced smack into one’s vein with a dirty needle. Marijuana is not the only drug abused by children and children should be educated about the risks of using any drug or intoxicant.
Current drug education has nothing in common with “Reefer Madness.” And no one is implying that smoking marijuana presents the same risks as shooting strychnine laced smack into one’s vein with a dirty needle. Marijuana is not the only drug abused by children and children should be educated about the risks of using any drug or intoxicant.
>Marijuana is not the only drug abused by children and children should be educated about the risks of using any drug or intoxicant.
True ,,, very true
True ,,, very true
QUOTE
When one uses the term “cut” in reference to narcotics, it means “stepped on” (or diluted). Generally “smack” (heroin) is always “stepped on.” Marijuana might be adulterated with a foreign substance but it is seldom “stepped on.”
You're right, I stand corrected.
QUOTE (Derek1148+Feb 3 2008, 10:15 PM)
Sometimes drugs are laced or cut with toxic substances (such as strychnine).
No, this is an urban legend. Strychnine is one of the most bitter substances known and can be tasted at concentrations as low as 1 part per million, not the easiest thing to hide in a drug. ref
No, this is an urban legend. Strychnine is one of the most bitter substances known and can be tasted at concentrations as low as 1 part per million, not the easiest thing to hide in a drug. ref
QUOTE (barakn+Feb 4 2008, 03:19 AM)
No, this is an urban legend. Strychnine is one of the most bitter substances known and can be tasted at concentrations as low as 1 part per million, not the easiest thing to hide in a drug. ref
QUOTE (barakn+Feb 4 2008, 03:19 AM)
No, this is an urban legend. Strychnine is one of the most bitter substances known and can be tasted at concentrations as low as 1 part per million, not the easiest thing to hide in a drug. ref
Derek1148 Posted: 2/03/08 7:50 PM
You brought up this link on a previous post in response to a similar statement. I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't see anything in there germane. Did I miss something?
QUOTE
QUOTE (barakn @ Feb 4 2008, 03:19 AM)
No, this is an urban legend. Strychnine is one of the most bitter substances known and can be tasted at concentrations as low as 1 part per million, not the easiest thing to hide in a drug. ref
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/heroin.html
No, this is an urban legend. Strychnine is one of the most bitter substances known and can be tasted at concentrations as low as 1 part per million, not the easiest thing to hide in a drug. ref
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/heroin.html
You brought up this link on a previous post in response to a similar statement. I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't see anything in there germane. Did I miss something?
http://www.usdoj.gov/dea/concern/heroin.html
QUOTE (xtrmn8r+Feb 4 2008, 04:00 AM)
Derek1148 Posted: 2/03/08 7:50 PM
You brought up this link on a previous post in response to a similar statement. I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't see anything in there germane. Did I miss something?
Read the first paragraph in the link.
You brought up this link on a previous post in response to a similar statement. I'm not sure what you're getting at. I don't see anything in there germane. Did I miss something?
Read the first paragraph in the link.
OK, I assume this is the part you were referring to, however , I was looking for the connection to pot. Sorry!
QUOTE
Although purer heroin is becoming more common, most street heroin is “cut” with other drugs or with substances such as sugar, starch, powdered milk, or quinine. Street heroin can also be cut with strychnine, fentanyl or other poisons.
QUOTE (paul h+Feb 3 2008, 06:21 PM)
As for adding heroin to pot, well think about the money:
No one is going to put $200.00 worth of heroin into $100.00 worth of pot and still sell it for a 100 bucks their not going to loose money to entice you to buy something that your going to buy anyway. Now I have heard of spiking pot with formaldehyde but you were told well in advance. But this was done to make poor pot better never heard of spiking to get someone hooked on something harder. that is just some "reefer madness" propaganda. pure BS!
I think someone may be thinking along the lines of putting a dollars worth of heroin into a ten dollar bag, making it much more feasible (while still ludicrous) and that means for ten dollars a fellow might supposedly "improve" a hundred dollars woth of pot. Now while this person may have aspirations to become legend for really stoney weed, and have repeat customers...what they may not understand is the side effects of heroin most often include nausea and vomiting, which would mean that his product would make his customers sick, and that would blow it for him right there.
I remember we had a friend who's dad ran a funeral home, he used to lace the papers of his joints with that formaldehyde crap. It was gross (smelling and tasting). It was called "love", when someone did that it was a "love joint" and everyone was warned before lighting up or when the thing was passed to you, which just goes to show you how honest most tokers are, or should I say were, "back in the day"?
No one is going to put $200.00 worth of heroin into $100.00 worth of pot and still sell it for a 100 bucks their not going to loose money to entice you to buy something that your going to buy anyway. Now I have heard of spiking pot with formaldehyde but you were told well in advance. But this was done to make poor pot better never heard of spiking to get someone hooked on something harder. that is just some "reefer madness" propaganda. pure BS!
I think someone may be thinking along the lines of putting a dollars worth of heroin into a ten dollar bag, making it much more feasible (while still ludicrous) and that means for ten dollars a fellow might supposedly "improve" a hundred dollars woth of pot. Now while this person may have aspirations to become legend for really stoney weed, and have repeat customers...what they may not understand is the side effects of heroin most often include nausea and vomiting, which would mean that his product would make his customers sick, and that would blow it for him right there.
I remember we had a friend who's dad ran a funeral home, he used to lace the papers of his joints with that formaldehyde crap. It was gross (smelling and tasting). It was called "love", when someone did that it was a "love joint" and everyone was warned before lighting up or when the thing was passed to you, which just goes to show you how honest most tokers are, or should I say were, "back in the day"?
QUOTE (tikay+Feb 4 2008, 04:35 AM)
I remember we had a friend who's dad ran a funeral home, he used to lace the papers of his joints with that formaldehyde crap.
Don't waste your money visiting expensive massage parlors. Visit `Tobon Brothers' for all your `fun-oral' - experiences. Gory sick humor! please excuse, loll.
Don't waste your money visiting expensive massage parlors. Visit `Tobon Brothers' for all your `fun-oral' - experiences. Gory sick humor! please excuse, loll.
BDW I think you may be a little confused about the terminology of a hallucinogen. They're not saying that it causes hallucinations as you're used to defining them. That is to say that it doesn't cause visual hallucinations, but it does cause some hallucinogenic effects.
Excerpt from wikipedia article on hallucinogens.
Excerpt from wikipedia article on hallucinogens.
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These classes of psychoactive drugs have in common that they can cause subjective changes in perception, thought, emotion and consciousness.
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