Josh. You are mistaken. You are quoting the other guy.
You got confused by the double talk.
If I was as dumb as that I would stop posting.
QUOTE (Nick+)
Josh. You are mistaken. You are quoting the other guy.
You got confused by the double talk.
If I was as dumb as that I would stop posting.
It seems that the more warnings you get the more foul mouthed you become.
You got confused by the double talk.
If I was as dumb as that I would stop posting.
It seems that the more warnings you get the more foul mouthed you become.
QUOTE
I read the link you posted on Quale. Not heard of it before, but very interesting concept. The definition of Qualia is such that it cannot be verified because its properties are not "fixed".
Hi vkamath,
Precisely what is intriguing to me. Whereas they can't actually verify, they are also sure of it's existance. Pretty spicy stuff. Perhaps the scientific methodology that has to be discovered to prove scientifically what they are certain they are seeing will also open some related doors that we also are aware of, yet are unable to 'prove', for instance the above mentioned placebo effect. It's there, it functions, we have some data on the process, but we don't know 'how', or that which initiates it. Right now it's random. When we can predict it, when what we see as random now becomes more clear, we will have found that road - probably another long one...
soundhertz,
QUOTE (soundhertz+Sep 6 2006, 08:22 PM)
Precisely what is intriguing to me. Whereas they can't actually verify, they are also sure of it's existence. Pretty spicy stuff. Perhaps the scientific methodology that has to be discovered to prove scientifically what they are certain they are seeing will also open some related doors that we also are aware of, yet are unable to 'prove', for instance the above mentioned placebo effect. It's there, it functions, we have some data on the process, but we don't know 'how', or that which initiates it. Right now it's random. When we can predict it, when what we see as random now becomes more clear, we will have found that road - probably another long one...
Last century was the atom physics century. I hope that this will be brain, mind & psychology century. We have so much to know and yet we don't know even the extents of the unknown. Hopefully we will understand ourselves, but I'm scared of the perspectives. Last century gave us the A-bomb. One successful psychology century could give us 100% successful mind control. That I don't like.
Last century was the atom physics century. I hope that this will be brain, mind & psychology century. We have so much to know and yet we don't know even the extents of the unknown. Hopefully we will understand ourselves, but I'm scared of the perspectives. Last century gave us the A-bomb. One successful psychology century could give us 100% successful mind control. That I don't like.
That's right. If scientists got a hold of the secret of the brain it would be a scary place indeed. Mind control is the name of the game.
The price we pay to discover is the jeopardy we place on each other. If we can't rise above that then we should surely not continue. We have no choice, we move ahead, we discover.
Hi SC, Vkamath, soundhertz, 555Joshua, Upisoft, dwaynefries, Knot of this world et al,
QUOTE (SC Posted: Sep 4 2006+ 12:03 AM)
Good Elf,
Would it bother you that others have a belief in any God at all, if in worldly life they were realizing and supporting the same life, views and causes as you, as far as you could see?
It wouldn't affect others "detrimentally" in any way, so I'm interested in your views.
Appreciated
Would it bother you that others have a belief in any God at all, if in worldly life they were realizing and supporting the same life, views and causes as you, as far as you could see?
It wouldn't affect others "detrimentally" in any way, so I'm interested in your views.
Appreciated
No... that would be fine by me. If people can live in harmony with others and respect their differences and uphold their right to peaceful and wholesome coexistence ... I am all for it. It is only in the way individuals who think that they have a monopoly on morality, because they feel that their interpretation of a deity... no matter what this might be... requires them to ensure that there is no plurality or dissent.
Sometimes this can result in the most extreme antisocial activities and Xenophobia. For instance I personally have expressed the view that I am a kind of Pantheist. I do not "worship" nature but I see a tremendous satisfaction there in its ability to support life in all its forms and allow itself to be investigated using the Scientific Method. In that sense I have a great confidence that this is, in a non-personal way, extremely "benign". This does not mean that nature and the Universe is not a dangerous place... it surely is... we have a place in this picture ... not a central place but it is an important place on the surface of this Earth to be the "good stewards". So if you would put it that way, I too believe in something much greater than myself. Something that is quite impersonal but greater then our species.
I also recognize this great organizational principle is not in any image of man or other creature and I find it quite distasteful to see the way people worship idols in all their forms. This does not stop at little graven images adorned with precious stones but to such things as football and the family car as well as money and the worship of our own bodies as being in the true image of a "God". It seems to me this practice of "idolatry" and ego worship and self gratification is the root cause of many of all man's problems since we are seeking some kind of "fulfillment" through this restless endless seeking, consuming all the planet's resources like a plague of locusts. This is "mindless behavior".
One of the most difficult issues for me are all those things humans can be addicted to ... drugs, alcohol, illicit sex, gambling, acquisition of wealth, gluttony, and the worst one of them all... the pursuit of "eternal life". There are a minority of individuals who will allow nothing to impede their crazy ends even if what they do directly or indirectly kills or injure others physically or emotionally. I am sure that people who have none of these addictions and are not driven to think that eternal life is really something they will have a right to, are leading a "good" life if they then practice the "Golden Rule". Even if people have these problems we should only interfere if what they are doing is detrimentally interfering in the welfare of others around them.
I do not like idolatry where humans place themselves under the authority of human powers thinking they are serving a "god" (seen or unseen... human or bestial). This principle is easily expressed in many primitive societies by the idea that the spirits of others can be "recruited" to assist a zealous individual to achieve/earn this goal of "eternal life". In some primitive cultures it is simply torturing the hapless individuals to death so that their screams "exhale" their essence as a kind of spiritual slave in the afterlife (he who gathers the most ... wins!). In others it is the ability to sacrifice large numbers of "slaves" to death on their own death (similar result to the last one). In others it is the ritual of their wives "following" their husbands into the afterlife by being consumed on the funeral pyre along with their husband's bodies (next best in the minds of some). In others it is eating the flesh of their enemies somehow "ingesting" the essence and strength of "the other" (at least a great banquet is had by all). In others it is simply burning them to death to "purify" their essences of the stench and taint of unsanctioned practices ... e.g. wicca or the other religions be they Catholics or Protestants or "other" (great theater with all your friends yelling and screaming). All they are doing is earning "brownie points" as "good and faithful mindless servants". I am not impressed. Even gentle religions such as Buddhism has its "failures" in people such as Pol Pot who had spent some of his life as a Buddhist Monk then went on to slaughter millions of his own defenseless countrymen (mostly women and children). I could name several others "despots" too. These can take secular forms as well as a religious guise. Those who "go along for the wild ride" are every bit as guilty as the leader.
If they do not fall into any of these "errors" which have detrimental effects on others... I may not approve of their activities but I do not feel inclined to force them to see things my way. If they have "addictions", as long as these do not affect others around them in negative ways, then I am not going to interfere. I reserve the right of free association though and will choose my own company. If people want assistance to escape this situation then society should allow people to free themselves from a strong-arm "cult". This includes political movements which can also be very negative. That is it. The rest is as I have stated in previous posts... a desire to see the Scientific application of the "Golden Rule" and to minimize "evil". In my opinion a "free" man is happiest in the service of others. Now a poem to reflect on...
The Green Eye of the Little Yellow God
Cheers
Sometimes this can result in the most extreme antisocial activities and Xenophobia. For instance I personally have expressed the view that I am a kind of Pantheist. I do not "worship" nature but I see a tremendous satisfaction there in its ability to support life in all its forms and allow itself to be investigated using the Scientific Method. In that sense I have a great confidence that this is, in a non-personal way, extremely "benign". This does not mean that nature and the Universe is not a dangerous place... it surely is... we have a place in this picture ... not a central place but it is an important place on the surface of this Earth to be the "good stewards". So if you would put it that way, I too believe in something much greater than myself. Something that is quite impersonal but greater then our species.
I also recognize this great organizational principle is not in any image of man or other creature and I find it quite distasteful to see the way people worship idols in all their forms. This does not stop at little graven images adorned with precious stones but to such things as football and the family car as well as money and the worship of our own bodies as being in the true image of a "God". It seems to me this practice of "idolatry" and ego worship and self gratification is the root cause of many of all man's problems since we are seeking some kind of "fulfillment" through this restless endless seeking, consuming all the planet's resources like a plague of locusts. This is "mindless behavior".
One of the most difficult issues for me are all those things humans can be addicted to ... drugs, alcohol, illicit sex, gambling, acquisition of wealth, gluttony, and the worst one of them all... the pursuit of "eternal life". There are a minority of individuals who will allow nothing to impede their crazy ends even if what they do directly or indirectly kills or injure others physically or emotionally. I am sure that people who have none of these addictions and are not driven to think that eternal life is really something they will have a right to, are leading a "good" life if they then practice the "Golden Rule". Even if people have these problems we should only interfere if what they are doing is detrimentally interfering in the welfare of others around them.
I do not like idolatry where humans place themselves under the authority of human powers thinking they are serving a "god" (seen or unseen... human or bestial). This principle is easily expressed in many primitive societies by the idea that the spirits of others can be "recruited" to assist a zealous individual to achieve/earn this goal of "eternal life". In some primitive cultures it is simply torturing the hapless individuals to death so that their screams "exhale" their essence as a kind of spiritual slave in the afterlife (he who gathers the most ... wins!). In others it is the ability to sacrifice large numbers of "slaves" to death on their own death (similar result to the last one). In others it is the ritual of their wives "following" their husbands into the afterlife by being consumed on the funeral pyre along with their husband's bodies (next best in the minds of some). In others it is eating the flesh of their enemies somehow "ingesting" the essence and strength of "the other" (at least a great banquet is had by all). In others it is simply burning them to death to "purify" their essences of the stench and taint of unsanctioned practices ... e.g. wicca or the other religions be they Catholics or Protestants or "other" (great theater with all your friends yelling and screaming). All they are doing is earning "brownie points" as "good and faithful mindless servants". I am not impressed. Even gentle religions such as Buddhism has its "failures" in people such as Pol Pot who had spent some of his life as a Buddhist Monk then went on to slaughter millions of his own defenseless countrymen (mostly women and children). I could name several others "despots" too. These can take secular forms as well as a religious guise. Those who "go along for the wild ride" are every bit as guilty as the leader.
If they do not fall into any of these "errors" which have detrimental effects on others... I may not approve of their activities but I do not feel inclined to force them to see things my way. If they have "addictions", as long as these do not affect others around them in negative ways, then I am not going to interfere. I reserve the right of free association though and will choose my own company. If people want assistance to escape this situation then society should allow people to free themselves from a strong-arm "cult". This includes political movements which can also be very negative. That is it. The rest is as I have stated in previous posts... a desire to see the Scientific application of the "Golden Rule" and to minimize "evil". In my opinion a "free" man is happiest in the service of others. Now a poem to reflect on...
The Green Eye of the Little Yellow God
Cheers
No one controls your mind unless you let them.
Find out for yourself, how and why, you think the way you do. A basic psychological understanding will alleviate all this paranoia, but you can only come to conclusions for yourself, otherwise you are open to being 'controlled'.
To let someone into your thoughts, you would have to be able to trust them 100%. Like you would your own children. Unconditionally. And all children naturally love their parents, that is until the 'parent' should give them reason not to...
Trust is a necessary component of Love.
Beings of mutual Love and Trust, are therefore more likely to develop a 'telepathic' function.
Hence, 'telepathy' will not be used for mind-control.
k.
Find out for yourself, how and why, you think the way you do. A basic psychological understanding will alleviate all this paranoia, but you can only come to conclusions for yourself, otherwise you are open to being 'controlled'.
To let someone into your thoughts, you would have to be able to trust them 100%. Like you would your own children. Unconditionally. And all children naturally love their parents, that is until the 'parent' should give them reason not to...
Trust is a necessary component of Love.
Beings of mutual Love and Trust, are therefore more likely to develop a 'telepathic' function.
Hence, 'telepathy' will not be used for mind-control.
k.
Hi Good Elf, K. and everyone else,
Many thanks for your views.
I have to agree with most of the post, undoubtedly and its truely nice to hear so. Much appreciated, and I hope people would realize, but we're not all the same by far. In fact, realistically speaking, "most" individuals drum the same beat.. i.e of all that you dislike much. Its no coincidence, but many are no way near as thoughtful, philanthropic nor wise as minority others (i.e. members I have seen on this thread)
We're at times, where good words are often recycled like garbish, and treated very cheaply. The vice versa, treated in the complete opposite way.
Maybe thats what lead to this, as a gradual cause...
Knot of this world,
Perfect! Seriously dot on, thankyou.
Both of your, above have provided some very thoughtful input, each by his own means and ways, yet very interconnected, stitched together, I think the perfect human can be created (with a few more flavors I know vkamath and others provide)
Obviously, by yourself after concentrated introspection plus extrsopection in thought analysis, effort and so on with worthy traits.
I have reason to believe, knowing yourself comes as a pre-requisite before trekking down this route.
Appreciated.
Many thanks for your views.
I have to agree with most of the post, undoubtedly and its truely nice to hear so. Much appreciated, and I hope people would realize, but we're not all the same by far. In fact, realistically speaking, "most" individuals drum the same beat.. i.e of all that you dislike much. Its no coincidence, but many are no way near as thoughtful, philanthropic nor wise as minority others (i.e. members I have seen on this thread)
We're at times, where good words are often recycled like garbish, and treated very cheaply. The vice versa, treated in the complete opposite way.
Maybe thats what lead to this, as a gradual cause...
Knot of this world,
QUOTE
No one controls your mind unless you let them.
Find out for yourself, how and why, you think the way you do.
To let someone into your thoughts, you would have to be able to trust them 100%.
Trust is a necessary component of Love.
Find out for yourself, how and why, you think the way you do.
To let someone into your thoughts, you would have to be able to trust them 100%.
Trust is a necessary component of Love.
Perfect! Seriously dot on, thankyou.
Both of your, above have provided some very thoughtful input, each by his own means and ways, yet very interconnected, stitched together, I think the perfect human can be created (with a few more flavors I know vkamath and others provide)
Obviously, by yourself after concentrated introspection plus extrsopection in thought analysis, effort and so on with worthy traits.
I have reason to believe, knowing yourself comes as a pre-requisite before trekking down this route.
Appreciated.
SC,
Thanks for kind words.
I do believe the majority of people (if not all!) would prefer to be happy and useful individuals, that could accept and co-exist in trust with each other, in a world in which they would have no resentment toward others.
As I get older, I can see ways that this would be possible. 'Problems' are really just solutions waiting to happen! This goes for physics and science also. We would not have developed the ability to ask a question at all, if it were not for the equal ability to find an answer...
We do not currently live in such a 'Utopian world'. I simply ask..why? Why is it that we reject wisdom in favour of 'toys'?
Every new offspring (and certainly not just 'Human') is born as a 'blank page'. It looks up, in expectance of being fed and loved, naturally, by its mother. We have all been this 'blank page'. Even the likes of Hitler, once gazed upwards, in expectance. But rather than the world taking responsibility and nurturing with its wisdom, it showed this blank page how to fill itself up with hate and resentment. Primed it, ready to explode, and pushed all of its collective 'evil' onto a waiting, and eager receiver. It still does. And when the memory of Hitler fades, and the constant repeats of war documentaries fail, we need to invent more 'evils' to stop ourselves looking in the mirror...
'Bin laden', 'Aliens', 'WMD', 'rogue asteroids', 'illuminati', 'foreigners', 'religion versus science', are all easy targets to vent our own frustrations with ourselves on to.
In the end, we are all Human beings, and we live on a beautiful planet (by whatever 'grace' is real), as far as we currently know, it is the only one of its kind, and there is nowhere else we can live. If we hadn't spent so much time destroying each other, who knows what incredible things we would be doing by now? How many 'Einsteins' die everyday, unnecessarily?
Maybe some questions are just too sad to answer?
I'm hoping our continued existence isn't one of them...
k.
Thanks for kind words.
I do believe the majority of people (if not all!) would prefer to be happy and useful individuals, that could accept and co-exist in trust with each other, in a world in which they would have no resentment toward others.
As I get older, I can see ways that this would be possible. 'Problems' are really just solutions waiting to happen! This goes for physics and science also. We would not have developed the ability to ask a question at all, if it were not for the equal ability to find an answer...
We do not currently live in such a 'Utopian world'. I simply ask..why? Why is it that we reject wisdom in favour of 'toys'?
Every new offspring (and certainly not just 'Human') is born as a 'blank page'. It looks up, in expectance of being fed and loved, naturally, by its mother. We have all been this 'blank page'. Even the likes of Hitler, once gazed upwards, in expectance. But rather than the world taking responsibility and nurturing with its wisdom, it showed this blank page how to fill itself up with hate and resentment. Primed it, ready to explode, and pushed all of its collective 'evil' onto a waiting, and eager receiver. It still does. And when the memory of Hitler fades, and the constant repeats of war documentaries fail, we need to invent more 'evils' to stop ourselves looking in the mirror...
'Bin laden', 'Aliens', 'WMD', 'rogue asteroids', 'illuminati', 'foreigners', 'religion versus science', are all easy targets to vent our own frustrations with ourselves on to.
In the end, we are all Human beings, and we live on a beautiful planet (by whatever 'grace' is real), as far as we currently know, it is the only one of its kind, and there is nowhere else we can live. If we hadn't spent so much time destroying each other, who knows what incredible things we would be doing by now? How many 'Einsteins' die everyday, unnecessarily?
Maybe some questions are just too sad to answer?
I'm hoping our continued existence isn't one of them...
k.
Hi everyone,
Just my way of saying thankyou, and my condolences to bang4thebuck, a poster here, as Good Elf and others rightly pointed out... I and some of my colleagues who informed me of his "killing" were very shocked, and appreciated his input, greatly.
At first I was very skeptic of the news, but a work mate, registered here messaged his (Adams) brother, who is also registered here as Kalex (Alex), to clarify matters, & heard more troubling news.
Anyway, maybe this will and can be applied to this topic too, as what we have said since the start of this thread... bang4thebuck stated in another thread more than a month ago now.
Clippings from something I enjoyed, of what he wrote:
I would say yes. Good and evil require knowledge of good and evil. You cannot perform a truly evil act unless you knowingly perform that evil act. An evil act can be done in ignorance but that is not a true evil act. An example would be if someone pressed a mystery button that sent an electric shock to a poor victim. If the person pushing the button did so in ignorance or was tricked then they did not perform an act of evil. It is the person who set up the button who performs the act of evil and they create two victims in that case: the button pusher and the person being shocked. The same act would be considered evil if the button pusher knew that the button would shock an innocent victim. It would still be evil even if the wires were not hooked up because the button pusher thinks that she is causing pain to an innocent person.
In other words to determine good or evil, motives must be judged. While cutting off a man's leg may sound evil it could be an act of compassion if the man was trapped in a burning car and cutting off the leg saved his life.
This means that good and evil reside strictly within the sphere of human influence. There is no good and evil in the world outside of human influence because no known other animals are capable of understanding such an advanced concept as good and evil. A lion eats a gazelle because it is hungry, not because it is evil. Even acts that appear to be evil such as cannibalism, incest, etc. in the animal world cannot be classified as evil because no animal is capable of understanding the concept of good and evil.
Based on my previous concepts, I disagree with Einstein's quote. Evil is much more than just an absence of good.
Just my way of saying thankyou, and my condolences to bang4thebuck, a poster here, as Good Elf and others rightly pointed out... I and some of my colleagues who informed me of his "killing" were very shocked, and appreciated his input, greatly.
At first I was very skeptic of the news, but a work mate, registered here messaged his (Adams) brother, who is also registered here as Kalex (Alex), to clarify matters, & heard more troubling news.
Anyway, maybe this will and can be applied to this topic too, as what we have said since the start of this thread... bang4thebuck stated in another thread more than a month ago now.
Clippings from something I enjoyed, of what he wrote:
QUOTE (bang4thebuck+)
Perception is subjective.
Perception is made of understanding. Understanding is composed of judgment/analysing/conclusions.
These are products of the "PRINCIPLES" one employs to deduce meanings and the "VALUES/WEIGHT" one gives to everything, matter/ deed/ act/ saying/ thought/ happening/ event etc and what one believes denotes "success".
I live around the world as my job and chosen field. With cultures of all kinds, normally the less known/exposed/recognised/studied: the poor and meek.
The life for those people, yes HUMANS, feels "ever so long", in hardships, bearings, sufferings, hope, await, whether one is 5 or one is 55 years of age, BUT it is in comparative terms, actually a fraction of ours.
I see happiness/sadness, emotion and mental/physical contention/stability as being the MAIN factor involved with subjective perception of time, whenever in life.
This is why it is oft said, "times flies when one is enjoying their-self"
IT DOES!
I have worked with people in trauma of all kinds across the planet, over years. When enduring a serious assault, such as rape...the time seems VERY AWFULLY LONG.
On the topic of assault....in contrast, when involved in a brawl, the time flies past, leaving vague, misty memories.
When you do something different, your mind is taken away from having the "lack of attention and focus" to outer life you normally have, and thus less 'recall' or subconscious thinking is carried out. Because more time/ attention/ effort/ curiosity/ interest/ alertness/ motivation is acquired making one focus and concentrate on the "now" around, influencing and involving you, thus not much time for pondering/reflecting on the past.
This should leave one with increased precise memory of the event, more adrenalin, as with a fight/flight response at that particular, and thus speed up everything in ones body, and senses. The affect of a "buzz" also speeds up ones time, involving your sensory perception.
This is called, and I repeat, as I feel in everyway the human design needs/entails one major fundamental to survival and existence, ADAPTATION...otherwise euphemistically aka "getting used to".
When set to go on stage for the first time, time seems abyss long and deepened, before the onset. When on, over with, and pondering after, it seems short lived.
I do believe in "being used to" everything meaning it becomes natural, away from attention, tedious, harder to recall at all and especially acutely with detail, and thus perception also changes, while your mind boggles to find something different and NOT adapted to, and known "conquered/understood"so well to experience.
I also believe that age, by design and by lifely system to affect the mind, leaves the image of completeness, very quickly. Thus ones time does speed up in essence, psychologically, NOT biologically, by age.
Perception is what makes everyone now, and before as different as we are. It is of the most profound topics one can delve into.
For instance I remember seeing my shoe size of 5 when younger, looking normal for my age at 6 (and I tried making it look big too), while seeing an UK adult size 7 as enormous. Later, when I had reached UK size 10/US size 11, it looked proportionately small or maybe a little close to average, and the baby size 5 looking tiny. I tried changing my perception, but to no avail. Did time change perception or were other things also at play, such as my own body size?
I believe the environment one lives around certainly gives one his/her perception.
When living in London/Paris/NY/San Diego/Delhi/Lahore, time was utterly fast for me, almost non-existent. But when moving in rural areas, away form the West, with the poor, needy and downtrodden, it was VERY slow indeed, as it was for the local people in the surrounding environment and hamlets/villages.
I see another factor involved as being the level of comfort, pleasures, satisfaction one has and has experienced prior to that certain point in ones life.
Maybe, innocence is another factor involved....is that why you always long to be a kid again, & have fun, while unknowing and not worried, and running away from the bitter facts/truths of life?
To summarize, "living in the fast lane", having a lot to do, getting used to doing a lot, in comparison to doing less when elder (peanuts), biological physical and mental health and happiness, being adapted to a different life when younger, comfort and setting, all affect ones perception of time.
This is why I remember my youth, ever so distinct and precisely, while the last five years, I see as a blob of one same sort of month, indefinite, and very vague as hazy.
I feel a test of time perceptiveness would be for the elder at 60, whose life partner has deceased. To see how long or short time feels to them.
Also if this was investigated with one grieving/in fear/loss it would clearly show that time does indeed slow psychologically in such events/happenings i.e. for Guantanamo Bay inmates.
If we can add to it, then apart from what has been said, the same "perception" can be applied to with every matter and happening we come across. Definites are left indefinites by this, while it be only in our imagination and/or perception.
If we, as mankind did not differ, whatever of "wrong" in mentality, behaviour, thoughts, desires and words, would and could not exist. But precisely, we differ, due to our understandings, our perceptions, our level on the morality, wisdom, knowledge, altruism, empathy, compassion and philanthropic "scales", even in comparison to one another.
Humans have ALWAYS worked by comparison to something similar to judge.
By comparison, a certain individual might be "good looking" to his surrounding. By another, he may not and does not be (unless its superman or your truly ethereal).
What we compare to is what we let be, thrive and support, i.e. idolize => what becomes the norm by time and prospers to flourish. Whether for "good", or for "bad".
Does man not know this? Does so. But maybe he (& she) denies it.
Denial is the worst obsession, ignorance the most detrimental plague.
Arrogance is the most blinding addiction, immorality the least in brain.
If WE do not make a change... there will be none. And that goes for all times, places and people.
Many thanks for reading and let be.
Perception is made of understanding. Understanding is composed of judgment/analysing/conclusions.
These are products of the "PRINCIPLES" one employs to deduce meanings and the "VALUES/WEIGHT" one gives to everything, matter/ deed/ act/ saying/ thought/ happening/ event etc and what one believes denotes "success".
I live around the world as my job and chosen field. With cultures of all kinds, normally the less known/exposed/recognised/studied: the poor and meek.
The life for those people, yes HUMANS, feels "ever so long", in hardships, bearings, sufferings, hope, await, whether one is 5 or one is 55 years of age, BUT it is in comparative terms, actually a fraction of ours.
I see happiness/sadness, emotion and mental/physical contention/stability as being the MAIN factor involved with subjective perception of time, whenever in life.
This is why it is oft said, "times flies when one is enjoying their-self"
IT DOES!
I have worked with people in trauma of all kinds across the planet, over years. When enduring a serious assault, such as rape...the time seems VERY AWFULLY LONG.
On the topic of assault....in contrast, when involved in a brawl, the time flies past, leaving vague, misty memories.
When you do something different, your mind is taken away from having the "lack of attention and focus" to outer life you normally have, and thus less 'recall' or subconscious thinking is carried out. Because more time/ attention/ effort/ curiosity/ interest/ alertness/ motivation is acquired making one focus and concentrate on the "now" around, influencing and involving you, thus not much time for pondering/reflecting on the past.
This should leave one with increased precise memory of the event, more adrenalin, as with a fight/flight response at that particular, and thus speed up everything in ones body, and senses. The affect of a "buzz" also speeds up ones time, involving your sensory perception.
This is called, and I repeat, as I feel in everyway the human design needs/entails one major fundamental to survival and existence, ADAPTATION...otherwise euphemistically aka "getting used to".
When set to go on stage for the first time, time seems abyss long and deepened, before the onset. When on, over with, and pondering after, it seems short lived.
I do believe in "being used to" everything meaning it becomes natural, away from attention, tedious, harder to recall at all and especially acutely with detail, and thus perception also changes, while your mind boggles to find something different and NOT adapted to, and known "conquered/understood"so well to experience.
I also believe that age, by design and by lifely system to affect the mind, leaves the image of completeness, very quickly. Thus ones time does speed up in essence, psychologically, NOT biologically, by age.
Perception is what makes everyone now, and before as different as we are. It is of the most profound topics one can delve into.
For instance I remember seeing my shoe size of 5 when younger, looking normal for my age at 6 (and I tried making it look big too), while seeing an UK adult size 7 as enormous. Later, when I had reached UK size 10/US size 11, it looked proportionately small or maybe a little close to average, and the baby size 5 looking tiny. I tried changing my perception, but to no avail. Did time change perception or were other things also at play, such as my own body size?
I believe the environment one lives around certainly gives one his/her perception.
When living in London/Paris/NY/San Diego/Delhi/Lahore, time was utterly fast for me, almost non-existent. But when moving in rural areas, away form the West, with the poor, needy and downtrodden, it was VERY slow indeed, as it was for the local people in the surrounding environment and hamlets/villages.
I see another factor involved as being the level of comfort, pleasures, satisfaction one has and has experienced prior to that certain point in ones life.
Maybe, innocence is another factor involved....is that why you always long to be a kid again, & have fun, while unknowing and not worried, and running away from the bitter facts/truths of life?
To summarize, "living in the fast lane", having a lot to do, getting used to doing a lot, in comparison to doing less when elder (peanuts), biological physical and mental health and happiness, being adapted to a different life when younger, comfort and setting, all affect ones perception of time.
This is why I remember my youth, ever so distinct and precisely, while the last five years, I see as a blob of one same sort of month, indefinite, and very vague as hazy.
I feel a test of time perceptiveness would be for the elder at 60, whose life partner has deceased. To see how long or short time feels to them.
Also if this was investigated with one grieving/in fear/loss it would clearly show that time does indeed slow psychologically in such events/happenings i.e. for Guantanamo Bay inmates.
If we can add to it, then apart from what has been said, the same "perception" can be applied to with every matter and happening we come across. Definites are left indefinites by this, while it be only in our imagination and/or perception.
If we, as mankind did not differ, whatever of "wrong" in mentality, behaviour, thoughts, desires and words, would and could not exist. But precisely, we differ, due to our understandings, our perceptions, our level on the morality, wisdom, knowledge, altruism, empathy, compassion and philanthropic "scales", even in comparison to one another.
Humans have ALWAYS worked by comparison to something similar to judge.
By comparison, a certain individual might be "good looking" to his surrounding. By another, he may not and does not be (unless its superman or your truly ethereal).
What we compare to is what we let be, thrive and support, i.e. idolize => what becomes the norm by time and prospers to flourish. Whether for "good", or for "bad".
Does man not know this? Does so. But maybe he (& she) denies it.
Denial is the worst obsession, ignorance the most detrimental plague.
Arrogance is the most blinding addiction, immorality the least in brain.
If WE do not make a change... there will be none. And that goes for all times, places and people.
Many thanks for reading and let be.
QUOTE
Does Evil Exist?
I would say yes. Good and evil require knowledge of good and evil. You cannot perform a truly evil act unless you knowingly perform that evil act. An evil act can be done in ignorance but that is not a true evil act. An example would be if someone pressed a mystery button that sent an electric shock to a poor victim. If the person pushing the button did so in ignorance or was tricked then they did not perform an act of evil. It is the person who set up the button who performs the act of evil and they create two victims in that case: the button pusher and the person being shocked. The same act would be considered evil if the button pusher knew that the button would shock an innocent victim. It would still be evil even if the wires were not hooked up because the button pusher thinks that she is causing pain to an innocent person.
In other words to determine good or evil, motives must be judged. While cutting off a man's leg may sound evil it could be an act of compassion if the man was trapped in a burning car and cutting off the leg saved his life.
This means that good and evil reside strictly within the sphere of human influence. There is no good and evil in the world outside of human influence because no known other animals are capable of understanding such an advanced concept as good and evil. A lion eats a gazelle because it is hungry, not because it is evil. Even acts that appear to be evil such as cannibalism, incest, etc. in the animal world cannot be classified as evil because no animal is capable of understanding the concept of good and evil.
Based on my previous concepts, I disagree with Einstein's quote. Evil is much more than just an absence of good.
All:
I haven't posted anywhere on this forum for about 3 weeks due to my very hectic work schedule, but I had to come back momentarily with a "bang"...literally. What I'm about to post is merely a BRIEF INTRODUCTION...I have much, much more to say on this matter. Having mentioned that, you won't find me listed amongst those who are posting favorable "epitaphs" for bang4thebuck as I'm personally convinced that he's NOT even dead and that he's presently posting on this thread under another username. Let me start with a little background info on bang4thebuck. Bang4thebuck used to post on this forum under the username of "TruthHURTS" until he was banned from the forum. Here it is in "bang's" own words:
I haven't posted anywhere on this forum for about 3 weeks due to my very hectic work schedule, but I had to come back momentarily with a "bang"...literally. What I'm about to post is merely a BRIEF INTRODUCTION...I have much, much more to say on this matter. Having mentioned that, you won't find me listed amongst those who are posting favorable "epitaphs" for bang4thebuck as I'm personally convinced that he's NOT even dead and that he's presently posting on this thread under another username. Let me start with a little background info on bang4thebuck. Bang4thebuck used to post on this forum under the username of "TruthHURTS" until he was banned from the forum. Here it is in "bang's" own words:
QUOTE (bang4thebuck "911 WTC" May 25 2006 06:35 PM+)
GUESS..T and k22alinnz are both the same people, and both BANNED.
I was TruthHURTS, and I was suspended by admin/mods. due to a naive mix-up and an inadequacey in investigating what actually happened, rather than following the first grumpy freak who reported, as the sheep masses flocked.
After emailing, presenting and communication facts, I was reallowed.
I was suspended for 6 months through email (my IP) for obscene PM's and posts, while carefully scrutinised it was complete mythology, and I only did what I was asked to do, by the person in opposition to GUESS..T=k22alinnaz
I was TruthHURTS, and I was suspended by admin/mods. due to a naive mix-up and an inadequacey in investigating what actually happened, rather than following the first grumpy freak who reported, as the sheep masses flocked.
After emailing, presenting and communication facts, I was reallowed.
I was suspended for 6 months through email (my IP) for obscene PM's and posts, while carefully scrutinised it was complete mythology, and I only did what I was asked to do, by the person in opposition to GUESS..T=k22alinnaz
QUOTE (bang4thebuck "911 WTC" May 25 2006 07:00 PM+)
I was speaking to tikay/tracey, and she never had anything against me, but was trying to send me emails regarding GUESS..T=k22alinnaz and his doings/sayings.
Meanwhile I discovered I'm suspended, and libelled/slandered against, for nothing.
There were some obscene posts/PM's that were directed to one of the female posters on this forum named "tikay". There were several different forum members(555Joshua, Confused2, adoucette, howtothinklikegod, Grumpy, etc.) at that time that concluded that one poster was posting under three different usernames, namely:
GUESS...T
k22alinnaz
TruthHURTS
All three were originally banned, but TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck managed to dupe the administrators into letting him back onto this forum. Notice in the two quotes from bang4thebuck DATED MAY 25TH that I listed above, bang4thebuck states that GUESS...T=k22alinnaz or that they are the same person. Compare that to what TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck ORIGINALLY STATED in regards to these two people:
Meanwhile I discovered I'm suspended, and libelled/slandered against, for nothing.
There were some obscene posts/PM's that were directed to one of the female posters on this forum named "tikay". There were several different forum members(555Joshua, Confused2, adoucette, howtothinklikegod, Grumpy, etc.) at that time that concluded that one poster was posting under three different usernames, namely:
GUESS...T
k22alinnaz
TruthHURTS
All three were originally banned, but TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck managed to dupe the administrators into letting him back onto this forum. Notice in the two quotes from bang4thebuck DATED MAY 25TH that I listed above, bang4thebuck states that GUESS...T=k22alinnaz or that they are the same person. Compare that to what TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck ORIGINALLY STATED in regards to these two people:
QUOTE (TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck "A Possible God" May 20 2006 11:42 PM+)
Hey ‘k22alinnaz’ are you there?
This is Adam Darore remember, and that emblem, whose?
Forgive me people, I recognise who this is, and I’m very sure if he visited this site, he’ll remember me. I have not been in contact with this superb and virtuous genuis since some time now. I know very well of his commitments though.
I am someone who has very similar, actually near enough exact beliefs to the aforementioned ‘k22alinnaz’ registered individual. Actually he derived his views and perspectives from me, took me as his personal guide for some time, in reference with his vital decisions. The profession he educated in and his subsequent ventures were all inspired and pursuits I espoused.
Its an honour to actually know of his his well being and existence again (people long believe he’s dead- kind of like with me).
Here, on MAY 20TH, TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore claims that he personally knows k22alinnaz.
This is Adam Darore remember, and that emblem, whose?
Forgive me people, I recognise who this is, and I’m very sure if he visited this site, he’ll remember me. I have not been in contact with this superb and virtuous genuis since some time now. I know very well of his commitments though.
I am someone who has very similar, actually near enough exact beliefs to the aforementioned ‘k22alinnaz’ registered individual. Actually he derived his views and perspectives from me, took me as his personal guide for some time, in reference with his vital decisions. The profession he educated in and his subsequent ventures were all inspired and pursuits I espoused.
Its an honour to actually know of his his well being and existence again (people long believe he’s dead- kind of like with me).
Here, on MAY 20TH, TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore claims that he personally knows k22alinnaz.
QUOTE (TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck "Poll: How Old Are You" May 21 2006 08:36 PM+)
I know the character behind GUESS..T.
A brief citation of anecdotes:
He works as an Optician/GP an Eye Physician/Surgeon, as I have seen him at many conventions throughout the world, which I verified with him over PM, when he contacted me, initially.
And to correct your understanding, he does, yes have incredible ties with domestic/national and international intelligence and policing agencies/services, for well over 5 year, very discreetly but regular.
And to further your understanding, he was (his father and family are very wealthy and reknwon) very highly respected by the elites in most fields and non, an ex-celebrity status character, and a previous owner of a modelling agency, a model/designer himself, a very successful entrepreneur at an awfully young age, highly distinguished in many fields i.e. was a computer programmer/engineer when only 12 (proven), and yes highly flamboyant and extravagant at one stage in his life (esp. cars/fashion), with yes, many women world wide (still), ie. in the fame industry ie. musicians and TV presenters etc.
Oh, and he is a stated genius by talent, registered with Mensa at 13, and completed his A/A2 levels (UK 17-18yr olds) in one year while only 16, recieving a scholarship worth £13000p/a from the British government, and entering formal education at the age of 14 (after scoring highest in an IQ test) in UK's second best grammar/private school, which is owned/funded by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth herself, and takes after her name.
People, I, in the field I'm in, and others have verified documentation of this, over the years. As far as I knew, he is in current research on a worldwide level, and inside him personally, searching for a religion, of which he PM'd me regarding, and by coincidence he recoignised me.
I would never have revealed this, but down to the crunch, do you see why I doubt that he would be molesting you, or running after you, so as to speak? and do have trouble believing or considering those remarks in connection with him?
To my accurately knowledge, he halted in the field of 'womanising' three years ago, and has a fiancee he dearly loves. His ways, as I can figure out, and others have informed me, are to asks others fro their opinions on every matter, independant and irrelevant to himself or to his own views.
Yes, he does actually travel and function in a clandestine way, and uses the name Jahim as his low profiled recognition, even with our council.
From what I know of him, across the years (I saw him a few times), he is around the age of 25 now, and of four different casts, one being Russian.
By any chance, did he inform you of any of this as well, and you thought he was fibbing?
BTW, I dont have contact with him apart from through here and his email address which he provided me. Im in the Balkans, not in the US/EU.
Yes, I would appreciate that, if you could forward me his PM's...any that you have.
I understand none of this will never change if he has wronged you, and will personally contact and deal with him, if he's proven wrong.
ADDITION; Oh yes, and his fiancee is absolutely beautiful in all ways. I dare not reveal her name, unless he willed.
Here, on MAY 21ST, TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore clearly states that he knows who GUESS...T is.
First Question:
If TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore knew both k22alinnaz and GUESS...T PRIOR TO MAY 25TH and they were, according to him, TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, how then did they suddenly become the same person on MAY 25TH?
How about I just give you the proper answer? TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore is a filthy liar. TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore is k22alinnaz! Don't believe me? Just go on GOOGLE and type in the following:
k22alinnaz Adam Darore
When you do this, you get a whole bunch of listings from two different automotive forums in which posts with the username of k22alinnaz and the closing signature of Adam Darore regularly appear. THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. Don't miss part of one of the quotes that I listed earlier:
A brief citation of anecdotes:
He works as an Optician/GP an Eye Physician/Surgeon, as I have seen him at many conventions throughout the world, which I verified with him over PM, when he contacted me, initially.
And to correct your understanding, he does, yes have incredible ties with domestic/national and international intelligence and policing agencies/services, for well over 5 year, very discreetly but regular.
And to further your understanding, he was (his father and family are very wealthy and reknwon) very highly respected by the elites in most fields and non, an ex-celebrity status character, and a previous owner of a modelling agency, a model/designer himself, a very successful entrepreneur at an awfully young age, highly distinguished in many fields i.e. was a computer programmer/engineer when only 12 (proven), and yes highly flamboyant and extravagant at one stage in his life (esp. cars/fashion), with yes, many women world wide (still), ie. in the fame industry ie. musicians and TV presenters etc.
Oh, and he is a stated genius by talent, registered with Mensa at 13, and completed his A/A2 levels (UK 17-18yr olds) in one year while only 16, recieving a scholarship worth £13000p/a from the British government, and entering formal education at the age of 14 (after scoring highest in an IQ test) in UK's second best grammar/private school, which is owned/funded by Her Majesty Queen Elizabeth herself, and takes after her name.
People, I, in the field I'm in, and others have verified documentation of this, over the years. As far as I knew, he is in current research on a worldwide level, and inside him personally, searching for a religion, of which he PM'd me regarding, and by coincidence he recoignised me.
I would never have revealed this, but down to the crunch, do you see why I doubt that he would be molesting you, or running after you, so as to speak? and do have trouble believing or considering those remarks in connection with him?
To my accurately knowledge, he halted in the field of 'womanising' three years ago, and has a fiancee he dearly loves. His ways, as I can figure out, and others have informed me, are to asks others fro their opinions on every matter, independant and irrelevant to himself or to his own views.
Yes, he does actually travel and function in a clandestine way, and uses the name Jahim as his low profiled recognition, even with our council.
From what I know of him, across the years (I saw him a few times), he is around the age of 25 now, and of four different casts, one being Russian.
By any chance, did he inform you of any of this as well, and you thought he was fibbing?
BTW, I dont have contact with him apart from through here and his email address which he provided me. Im in the Balkans, not in the US/EU.
Yes, I would appreciate that, if you could forward me his PM's...any that you have.
I understand none of this will never change if he has wronged you, and will personally contact and deal with him, if he's proven wrong.
ADDITION; Oh yes, and his fiancee is absolutely beautiful in all ways. I dare not reveal her name, unless he willed.
Here, on MAY 21ST, TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore clearly states that he knows who GUESS...T is.
First Question:
If TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore knew both k22alinnaz and GUESS...T PRIOR TO MAY 25TH and they were, according to him, TWO DIFFERENT PEOPLE, how then did they suddenly become the same person on MAY 25TH?
How about I just give you the proper answer? TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore is a filthy liar. TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore is k22alinnaz! Don't believe me? Just go on GOOGLE and type in the following:
k22alinnaz Adam Darore
When you do this, you get a whole bunch of listings from two different automotive forums in which posts with the username of k22alinnaz and the closing signature of Adam Darore regularly appear. THEY ARE THE SAME PERSON. Don't miss part of one of the quotes that I listed earlier:
QUOTE (TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck/Adam Darore+)
I am someone who has very similar, actually near enough exact beliefs to the aforementioned ‘k22alinnaz’ registered individual. Actually he derived his views and perspectives from me, took me as his personal guide for some time, in reference with his vital decisions. The profession he educated in and his subsequent ventures were all inspired and pursuits I espoused.
Its an honour to actually know of his his well being and existence again (people long believe he’s dead- kind of like with me)
Hmmm? Well whattaya think about that? People long believe that k22alinnaz and Adam Darore/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck(THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON) are dead. What a "coincidence". Several people on this forum think that Adam Darore/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck is dead AGAIN. I STRONGLY SUGGEST to you that not only is Adam Darore/bang4thebuck/TruthHURTS still alive, but that he is posting under the username of SC on this very thread. Consider the following, for starters. If you do the suggested GOOGLE search of "k22alinnaz Adam Darore", then you will find the following listing:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520848
Its an honour to actually know of his his well being and existence again (people long believe he’s dead- kind of like with me)
Hmmm? Well whattaya think about that? People long believe that k22alinnaz and Adam Darore/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck(THEY'RE THE SAME PERSON) are dead. What a "coincidence". Several people on this forum think that Adam Darore/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck is dead AGAIN. I STRONGLY SUGGEST to you that not only is Adam Darore/bang4thebuck/TruthHURTS still alive, but that he is posting under the username of SC on this very thread. Consider the following, for starters. If you do the suggested GOOGLE search of "k22alinnaz Adam Darore", then you will find the following listing:
http://forums.bimmerforums.com/forum/showthread.php?t=520848
QUOTE (k22alinnaz+)
HIGHER Torque and BHP
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Hello Bavarian people
Just wanted to know, about your sides, summed up.
Whats made the most difference to your driving, feel, comfort, handling, torque and bhp??
Which additions/mods do you consider most worthwhile to your M3?
And which do you consider (but not yet tried/tried) best for higher power displacement, best improvement in 1/4mile, top speed and 0-60 times?
Its best if you name the car, model, options you have experience with.... $6000 to work with.
Thanks fellas for any time and replies.
PS: for any use, drag, track, street racing, looks: any and all. You can mention for which type your views are most suited to.
__________________
Darore 98 328is
325 = 145.1hp/ton
328 = 145.8hp/ton
M3 1= 167.89hp/ton
M3 2= 166.3hp/ton
Newly Purchased:
05 350Z
05 RR Vogue SC
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Last edited by k22alinnaz : 04-20-2006 at 10:17 AM.
Hmmm? k22alinnaz/Adam Darore(his full name is listed on some posts) recently purchased a BMW SC. SC? Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it's the unregistered username of someone who started posting on this thread when bang4thebuck "died". Let's take a brief look at something SC stated recently, shall we?
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Hello Bavarian people
Just wanted to know, about your sides, summed up.
Whats made the most difference to your driving, feel, comfort, handling, torque and bhp??
Which additions/mods do you consider most worthwhile to your M3?
And which do you consider (but not yet tried/tried) best for higher power displacement, best improvement in 1/4mile, top speed and 0-60 times?
Its best if you name the car, model, options you have experience with.... $6000 to work with.
Thanks fellas for any time and replies.
PS: for any use, drag, track, street racing, looks: any and all. You can mention for which type your views are most suited to.
__________________
Darore 98 328is
325 = 145.1hp/ton
328 = 145.8hp/ton
M3 1= 167.89hp/ton
M3 2= 166.3hp/ton
Newly Purchased:
05 350Z
05 RR Vogue SC
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Last edited by k22alinnaz : 04-20-2006 at 10:17 AM.
Hmmm? k22alinnaz/Adam Darore(his full name is listed on some posts) recently purchased a BMW SC. SC? Where have I heard that before? Oh yeah, it's the unregistered username of someone who started posting on this thread when bang4thebuck "died". Let's take a brief look at something SC stated recently, shall we?
QUOTE (SC "Does Evil Exist" Sept 4 2006+)
So I quit all this, and opened up my own business. Sooner it was I sold that, and started into property management, trade and car trade. This worked much better than the job working as Pharmacist would, although the downside of it was, I hardly get any time free!
Hmmm? That's interesting. A simple GOOGLE search of "k22alinnaz Adam Darore" will bring up many listings that clearly show that Adam Darore/k22alinnaz/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck was heavily involved in CAR TRADE. Let's see what else SC has to say:
Hmmm? That's interesting. A simple GOOGLE search of "k22alinnaz Adam Darore" will bring up many listings that clearly show that Adam Darore/k22alinnaz/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck was heavily involved in CAR TRADE. Let's see what else SC has to say:
QUOTE (SC "Does Evil Exist" Sept 4 2006+)
I was on a auto forum, lately, and someone posed a question wrongly in an E39 thread. The answers unanimously agreed were, that "if we were judged on morality, we're all in hell!"
Hmmm? The aforementioned GOOGLE search will clearly show that Adam Darore/k22alinnaz/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck was on an AUTO FORUM recently. Anybody know what an "E39 thread" is? I do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E39
The E39 automobile platform was the basis for the 1996 through 2004 BMW 5 Series. It was the successor of the BMW E34 in 1996 (UK) but was replaced by the BMW E60 in 2004. The basic model was the 520i, which develops 150 hp (112 kW). The BMW E39 M5 was introduced in 1998, with a 4.9 L V8 engine.
The E39 was sold in the UK starting in 1995, followed by the rest of Europe and finally on other continents.
Do the GOOGLE search that I suggested and you'll see that Adam Darore/k22alinnaz/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck was on several BMW E39 threads recently. Would you like to see a quote of k22alinnaz/Adam Darore/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck from one of the E39 threads? Okay. Here it is:
http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e39m5/7620022-1.html
Hmmm? The aforementioned GOOGLE search will clearly show that Adam Darore/k22alinnaz/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck was on an AUTO FORUM recently. Anybody know what an "E39 thread" is? I do.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BMW_E39
The E39 automobile platform was the basis for the 1996 through 2004 BMW 5 Series. It was the successor of the BMW E34 in 1996 (UK) but was replaced by the BMW E60 in 2004. The basic model was the 520i, which develops 150 hp (112 kW). The BMW E39 M5 was introduced in 1998, with a 4.9 L V8 engine.
The E39 was sold in the UK starting in 1995, followed by the rest of Europe and finally on other continents.
Do the GOOGLE search that I suggested and you'll see that Adam Darore/k22alinnaz/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck was on several BMW E39 threads recently. Would you like to see a quote of k22alinnaz/Adam Darore/TruthHURTS/bang4thebuck from one of the E39 threads? Okay. Here it is:
http://bimmer.roadfly.com/bmw/forums/e39m5/7620022-1.html
QUOTE (k22alinnaz+)
But only way I was able to get it cheap was like a childhood crush, lady had on me. Since assocaites in the UK all thought I'm long dead, seeing me, and later recognising through my voice, a calm controlled lady went a bit hysterical.
"E39 thread"..."all thought I'm long dead"... Another "coincidence". I have a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG LIST of other "coincidences" that I can offer you all. A very LONGGGGGGGGGG LIST. How about it, SC? Do you want to save me the trouble of putting you to an open shame? I'll check back when I'm able. Watch this guy...HE'S A SNAKE!
newguy
"E39 thread"..."all thought I'm long dead"... Another "coincidence". I have a LONGGGGGGGGGGGG LIST of other "coincidences" that I can offer you all. A very LONGGGGGGGGGG LIST. How about it, SC? Do you want to save me the trouble of putting you to an open shame? I'll check back when I'm able. Watch this guy...HE'S A SNAKE!
newguy
Hi everyone, especially newguy ,
Morning read for me, in the UK, 6.45am here
Wow, thanks for your input, above newguy, our first encounter.
Pity, its exactly what I had mentioned before, with "quacks" on the internet.
Its extremely ludicrous, what you've stated above, and I didn't read about all the rest, because, honestly, its absurd to say the very least.
Yet, I have to give it to you, very wild imagination indeed.
If at all you expect me to take the above with honesty...
Boy, your a good Christian.. Jesus, if all Christians were like you, hell, what delusional judges they'd make. We're already trying to fight injustice, so never mind muddying the clear waters with complete illogical slanderous remarks. If you have a "habit" of looking through conspiracy nut eyes, and wanting to play detective, good luck mate. But go elsewhere, and choose someone else for that matter.
I'm SC - maybe you'll now try to link me with EVERY time the word SC comes up anywhere online, out of the millions of people who use the internet under pseudonyms randomly picked, or an idea they got from someone or somewhere. I've never posted on here or online before, anywhere, and I'm NOT registered on any site online. It stands for SCience.
And yes, I have owned many various car trades, as well as a few taxi ranks/bases, not involved in it at the moment at all, because I'm in the property development trade instead which takes up my time. I do a little by the side, due to expectations people have of me.
Oh, I noticed how you only mentioned E39's are in the UK. I had read about what I talked like last week only, and what you posted about others was many months ago..anywhoo why only say UK? Everyone knows its the 5 Series BMW, that is available worldwide. I read many forums, which again is NONE of your business, but yes.. I DO read bmwworld, bmwland, bimmerfest, bimmerwerkz, bimmerforums, roadfly and a few others many times when I have time.
I dunno why I have to prove or even chat with someone as paranoid, as you here.
All I could see is that you have some bitter hatred of the user (who I'm in doubt about now, no thanks to you) bang4thebuck and whoever else you say he is.
You've just made a laughing stock of yourself pal. Funny, that your most likely from the "land of the most notoriously delusional" as well - aka USA.
Don't bother talking to me again pal. Maybe your too "busy" doing acrimonious deeds like this - which you probably think will be pleasing to your LORD I guess.
Sorry people, but this "person" is trying to either intimidate me, or just loves talking potty about others, for some odd reason, and "GOD" knows what else he'll come out with. But I don't stand this, nor understand it, but as pathetic.
Someone please tell him to take his tripe elsewhere.
Cheers
Morning read for me, in the UK, 6.45am here
Wow, thanks for your input, above newguy, our first encounter.
Pity, its exactly what I had mentioned before, with "quacks" on the internet.
Its extremely ludicrous, what you've stated above, and I didn't read about all the rest, because, honestly, its absurd to say the very least.
Yet, I have to give it to you, very wild imagination indeed.
If at all you expect me to take the above with honesty...
Boy, your a good Christian.. Jesus, if all Christians were like you, hell, what delusional judges they'd make. We're already trying to fight injustice, so never mind muddying the clear waters with complete illogical slanderous remarks. If you have a "habit" of looking through conspiracy nut eyes, and wanting to play detective, good luck mate. But go elsewhere, and choose someone else for that matter.
I'm SC - maybe you'll now try to link me with EVERY time the word SC comes up anywhere online, out of the millions of people who use the internet under pseudonyms randomly picked, or an idea they got from someone or somewhere. I've never posted on here or online before, anywhere, and I'm NOT registered on any site online. It stands for SCience.
And yes, I have owned many various car trades, as well as a few taxi ranks/bases, not involved in it at the moment at all, because I'm in the property development trade instead which takes up my time. I do a little by the side, due to expectations people have of me.
Oh, I noticed how you only mentioned E39's are in the UK. I had read about what I talked like last week only, and what you posted about others was many months ago..anywhoo why only say UK? Everyone knows its the 5 Series BMW, that is available worldwide. I read many forums, which again is NONE of your business, but yes.. I DO read bmwworld, bmwland, bimmerfest, bimmerwerkz, bimmerforums, roadfly and a few others many times when I have time.
I dunno why I have to prove or even chat with someone as paranoid, as you here.
All I could see is that you have some bitter hatred of the user (who I'm in doubt about now, no thanks to you) bang4thebuck and whoever else you say he is.
You've just made a laughing stock of yourself pal. Funny, that your most likely from the "land of the most notoriously delusional" as well - aka USA.
Don't bother talking to me again pal. Maybe your too "busy" doing acrimonious deeds like this - which you probably think will be pleasing to your LORD I guess.
Sorry people, but this "person" is trying to either intimidate me, or just loves talking potty about others, for some odd reason, and "GOD" knows what else he'll come out with. But I don't stand this, nor understand it, but as pathetic.
Someone please tell him to take his tripe elsewhere.
Cheers
SC:
Like I said, I'm very busy, but I'll continue with my list of "coincidences" as soon as I'm able(it probably won't be for a couple of days). We'll see who's "delusional" and "paranoid". Oh, by the way...exposing a schizophrenic liar like bang4thebuck has nothing whatsoever to do with "bitter hatred". It has to do with protecting others from "wolves". The guy was involved in an unwanted, sexually-based advance towards a female member on this forum. He lied through his teeth about it while claiming to have a fiancee(since upgraded to his "wife") at the same time. Is this the type of individual that you'd like to "defend"? Since when does PROTECTING OTHERS constitute "bitter hatred"?
Like I said, I'm very busy, but I'll continue with my list of "coincidences" as soon as I'm able(it probably won't be for a couple of days). We'll see who's "delusional" and "paranoid". Oh, by the way...exposing a schizophrenic liar like bang4thebuck has nothing whatsoever to do with "bitter hatred". It has to do with protecting others from "wolves". The guy was involved in an unwanted, sexually-based advance towards a female member on this forum. He lied through his teeth about it while claiming to have a fiancee(since upgraded to his "wife") at the same time. Is this the type of individual that you'd like to "defend"? Since when does PROTECTING OTHERS constitute "bitter hatred"?
QUOTE (SC+)
Oh, I noticed how you only mentioned E39's are in the UK. I had read about what I talked like last week only, and what you posted about others was many months ago..anywhoo why only say UK? Everyone knows its the 5 Series BMW, that is available worldwide.
You "noticed" no such thing. Here's what I quoted from wikipedia:
What is it about "the rest of Europe and finally on OTHER CONTINENTS" that you don't understand?
Gotta run...
You "noticed" no such thing. Here's what I quoted from wikipedia:
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The E39 automobile platform was the basis for the 1996 through 2004 BMW 5 Series. It was the successor of the BMW E34 in 1996 (UK) but was replaced by the BMW E60 in 2004. The basic model was the 520i, which develops 150 hp (112 kW). The BMW E39 M5 was introduced in 1998, with a 4.9 L V8 engine.
The E39 was sold in the UK starting in 1995, followed by the rest of Europe and finally on other continents.
The E39 was sold in the UK starting in 1995, followed by the rest of Europe and finally on other continents.
What is it about "the rest of Europe and finally on OTHER CONTINENTS" that you don't understand?
Gotta run...
All:
Soundhertz started a thread entitled "A psychotic soap opera" in the Comments/Suggestions forum that pertains to what I recently stated about bang4thebuck/SC. I also just contributed something to that thread that might be of interest to some. Just thought I'd let you know.
By the way, it was NEVER my intention to kill this thread...
I hope it will start up again in relation to the original topic.
newguy
Soundhertz started a thread entitled "A psychotic soap opera" in the Comments/Suggestions forum that pertains to what I recently stated about bang4thebuck/SC. I also just contributed something to that thread that might be of interest to some. Just thought I'd let you know.
By the way, it was NEVER my intention to kill this thread...
I hope it will start up again in relation to the original topic.
newguy
Hi sactodoug,
I still think there is a big difference in DOING evil as opposed to the CONCEPT of evil. Evil as an action is most definitely relative, but I'm not so sure that the concept is relative. Evil as a concept seems absolute to me, in that we all agree that it can be committed. It's the committing of an action that can be debated as truly evil or not, according to pov. In that sense, then, all people, no matter who they are, no matter how 'together' they are or how mentally or emotionally compromised they are, are still considered to have viable opinions on the evilness or non-evilness of the action. So as long as there is one person in the world who thinks that an action which is seen as evil by everyone else, does not see it as evil, then it is automatically relative. But the concept of evil is accepted by all. I guess the real question is "If evil is only relative, can it then exist?" or "Does evil have to be absolute to exist?" Do humans exist for no other reason than that they can be seen? We are not a concept. Does evil have to be matter/energy to be real? For that matter, does everything that we believe in, react to, judge by, an illusion because they are concepts instead of matter/energy? Fidelity to premises can make a mess out of this!
I still think there is a big difference in DOING evil as opposed to the CONCEPT of evil. Evil as an action is most definitely relative, but I'm not so sure that the concept is relative. Evil as a concept seems absolute to me, in that we all agree that it can be committed. It's the committing of an action that can be debated as truly evil or not, according to pov. In that sense, then, all people, no matter who they are, no matter how 'together' they are or how mentally or emotionally compromised they are, are still considered to have viable opinions on the evilness or non-evilness of the action. So as long as there is one person in the world who thinks that an action which is seen as evil by everyone else, does not see it as evil, then it is automatically relative. But the concept of evil is accepted by all. I guess the real question is "If evil is only relative, can it then exist?" or "Does evil have to be absolute to exist?" Do humans exist for no other reason than that they can be seen? We are not a concept. Does evil have to be matter/energy to be real? For that matter, does everything that we believe in, react to, judge by, an illusion because they are concepts instead of matter/energy? Fidelity to premises can make a mess out of this!
QUOTE (SactoDoug+Sep 8 2006, 12:38 PM)
You cannot perform a truly evil act unless you knowingly perform that evil act.
I don't even want to get into the circular reasoning implied in that statement. Especially since...
Two Chinese farmers met on a road long in the past. One said "My son neglected to tend our fence and our pig escaped through a hole in it."
"Oh, that's bad!" said the other.
"No, that's good," said the first. "In the morning, my son accepted responsibility and left to find and bring back the pig."
"Oh, that's good!" said the other.
"No, that's bad," said the first. "He didn't return by late in the day and I went looking for him. He had found the pig down a small ravine but fell and broke his leg trying to reach it."
"Oh, that's bad!" said the other.
"No, that's good," said the first. "The warlord's soldiers came through the village looking for boys to take and they left my son alone for the broken leg."
"Oh, that's good!..."
There is something to be said for viewpoint.
I don't even want to get into the circular reasoning implied in that statement. Especially since...
Two Chinese farmers met on a road long in the past. One said "My son neglected to tend our fence and our pig escaped through a hole in it."
"Oh, that's bad!" said the other.
"No, that's good," said the first. "In the morning, my son accepted responsibility and left to find and bring back the pig."
"Oh, that's good!" said the other.
"No, that's bad," said the first. "He didn't return by late in the day and I went looking for him. He had found the pig down a small ravine but fell and broke his leg trying to reach it."
"Oh, that's bad!" said the other.
"No, that's good," said the first. "The warlord's soldiers came through the village looking for boys to take and they left my son alone for the broken leg."
"Oh, that's good!..."
There is something to be said for viewpoint.
In regard to the initial question, the short answer is "Yes". Evil is wrongdoing in any form. The seriousness of the wrong determines whether it qualifies as evil or something minor, (such as copyright infringement, haha!) God created standards of righteousness through his laws, and he is the judge in that regard.
Also there are evil spirits, Satan and his angelic followers, or demons, whom many are referring to when they refer to evil. There is an evil inherent in most of us, but not to the extent which these supernatural forces can influence us when permitted to do so. Thus Hitler was strongly influenced by the occult, and other conditions which can predispose us to their influence are seances, spirit mediums, drugs (IE vision quests), possessing items which used to belong to people involved in the occult, magic acts, hypnotism, mental disorders. The latter is out of our control of course. The perversity which follows drunkenness is of course self-induced. Also our conscience can be hardened over time, and we may be trained for evil purposes, such as soldiers in the military who are trained to kill without emotion. Children are even more easily influenced to kill, and follow orders more readily.
I don't know just what you're looking for, but I gotta turn in now.
Also there are evil spirits, Satan and his angelic followers, or demons, whom many are referring to when they refer to evil. There is an evil inherent in most of us, but not to the extent which these supernatural forces can influence us when permitted to do so. Thus Hitler was strongly influenced by the occult, and other conditions which can predispose us to their influence are seances, spirit mediums, drugs (IE vision quests), possessing items which used to belong to people involved in the occult, magic acts, hypnotism, mental disorders. The latter is out of our control of course. The perversity which follows drunkenness is of course self-induced. Also our conscience can be hardened over time, and we may be trained for evil purposes, such as soldiers in the military who are trained to kill without emotion. Children are even more easily influenced to kill, and follow orders more readily.
I don't know just what you're looking for, but I gotta turn in now.
One scripture comes to mind which is in Isaiah somewhere which says "Woe to these who are saying good is bad and bad is good". It goes on to talk about man being wise in their own eyes.
In other words God sets the standard for "Good" and anything which does not conform to that Good is bad.
Evil is just a rebellion against Good or against God. So yes, Evil exists.
Comes down to pov right? People universally - pretty much - agree that murder is evil. Someone steeling to feed their family on the other hand might not be considered evil by many but by some it would.
Emotion plays on the evaluation of what evil is. Past experiences build our emotional state. Our past experiences are shaped by other peoples acts of evil, which where in turn formed by their own experiences.
Example 1: Poor guy with no home, family lives in cardboard boxes. Daughter was assaulted and murdered whilst he was in town trying to find work so he could put a scrap of food on the table. Younger son is severely sick through malnutrition and will soon die if he does not eat. The guy decided to go and steal. You can feel for him. You can reason on his behalf.
Example 2: Middle class couple living in a 3 bed detach house, both working, get in a little debt through exotic spending and have the prospect of loosing the house. They scheme to rob a convenience store to pay down their debt. They will only do it once... just this time to get them out of trouble. Can you feel for them? or do you say to yourselves "they deserve it"?
Now strip off emotion completely for the first example.
If you are going to make a family, make sure you can look after it.
Did the person who is robbed deserve to be robbed?
What if that robbery accidentally turns into murder?
Why don't the man work?
Good/Evil must be logically defined, separate from all human emotion. Which is why humans who are full of emotion, continually fight against the principles of Good and Bad, trying to twist them based on their own emotions.
We end up with discussions of the relativity of evil and the possibility that evil does not exist at all.
In other words God sets the standard for "Good" and anything which does not conform to that Good is bad.
Evil is just a rebellion against Good or against God. So yes, Evil exists.
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If evil is only relative, can it then exist?
Comes down to pov right? People universally - pretty much - agree that murder is evil. Someone steeling to feed their family on the other hand might not be considered evil by many but by some it would.
Emotion plays on the evaluation of what evil is. Past experiences build our emotional state. Our past experiences are shaped by other peoples acts of evil, which where in turn formed by their own experiences.
Example 1: Poor guy with no home, family lives in cardboard boxes. Daughter was assaulted and murdered whilst he was in town trying to find work so he could put a scrap of food on the table. Younger son is severely sick through malnutrition and will soon die if he does not eat. The guy decided to go and steal. You can feel for him. You can reason on his behalf.
Example 2: Middle class couple living in a 3 bed detach house, both working, get in a little debt through exotic spending and have the prospect of loosing the house. They scheme to rob a convenience store to pay down their debt. They will only do it once... just this time to get them out of trouble. Can you feel for them? or do you say to yourselves "they deserve it"?
Now strip off emotion completely for the first example.
If you are going to make a family, make sure you can look after it.
Did the person who is robbed deserve to be robbed?
What if that robbery accidentally turns into murder?
Why don't the man work?
Good/Evil must be logically defined, separate from all human emotion. Which is why humans who are full of emotion, continually fight against the principles of Good and Bad, trying to twist them based on their own emotions.
We end up with discussions of the relativity of evil and the possibility that evil does not exist at all.
QUOTE (Insyght+)
Example 1: Poor guy with no home, family lives in cardboard boxes. Daughter was assaulted and murdered whilst he was in town trying to find work so he could put a scrap of food on the table. Younger son is severely sick through malnutrition and will soon die if he does not eat. The guy decided to go and steal. You can feel for him. You can reason on his behalf.
So when viruses fuse with your cell membranes, that's good?
And when the sugar molecules break apart in your body and give you energy, that's bad?
Try making imprecise generalisations from science concepts and you'll end up looking daft!
1. Only if a type A person who really needs reason to take some bodily rest.
2.Only when you do bad things with the sugars energy.
(Some of are only good at being daft, if it's all you've got you learn to make it work for you, and sometimes it helps out others...those with "superior" minds.)
what Einstein was trying to say was THE ABSENCE OF HEAT IS COLD........the absence....cold , is no form of energy...heat is .......cold, is the mere absence of heat......
evil , is the absence of good......and possibly, good is the absence of evil.......
And how could you make such a statement.....that evil is the absence of god....to many people, god does not exist.....so to them your theory, is incorrect.......
neutrinos
QUOTE (Insyght+)
If you are going to make a family, make sure you can look after it.
To your example 1, let me add one more parameter. Assume that this poor guy was once a rich guy who lost everything due to a natural disaster.
To your example 1, let me add one more parameter. Assume that this poor guy was once a rich guy who lost everything due to a natural disaster.
[/QUOTE]Assume that this poor guy was once a rich guy who lost everything due to a natural disaster.[QUOTE]
Tough call, but thats life. Money can come and go. You cannot be completely sure you can keep it. Not possible. You can't return family members in such circumstances so part of making family members, means taking a risk.
Though it is sad emotionally speaking, from a logical point of view it's simply a failed gamble. It should have zero impact on the other persons (Victim's) life. The other person did not gamble.
Tough call, but thats life. Money can come and go. You cannot be completely sure you can keep it. Not possible. You can't return family members in such circumstances so part of making family members, means taking a risk.
Though it is sad emotionally speaking, from a logical point of view it's simply a failed gamble. It should have zero impact on the other persons (Victim's) life. The other person did not gamble.
QUOTE (Insyght+)
making family members, means taking a risk
I don't think having a family is a risk if you have enough money (and time) to support them. So this man did not take a risky decision when he took it.
I don't think having a family is a risk if you have enough money (and time) to support them. So this man did not take a risky decision when he took it.
You see, it's emotions I agree with you, thats why I have children and thats why if my work collapsed I would be in trouble
But you can't deny that the most logical way to exist, is by your self. You only have you to support and your needs to care for and if it comes to crunch you have a far better chance of surviving this way, than if you have little ones with you.
I was just trying to illustrate the point that Good/Evil perception is tried to human emotions. If you attempt complete logic, you will see that Good/Bad in the most cases can be very clearly defined.
Emotions make Good/Bad fuzzy.
I agree with you, thats why I have children and thats why if my work collapsed I would be in trouble But you can't deny that the most logical way to exist, is by your self. You only have you to support and your needs to care for and if it comes to crunch you have a far better chance of surviving this way, than if you have little ones with you.
I was just trying to illustrate the point that Good/Evil perception is tried to human emotions. If you attempt complete logic, you will see that Good/Bad in the most cases can be very clearly defined.
Emotions make Good/Bad fuzzy.
QUOTE (Insyght+)
I was just trying to illustrate the point that Good/Evil perception is tried to human emotions. If you attempt complete logic, you will see that Good/Bad in the most cases can be very clearly defined.
Using "complete logic", let me know if eating non-vegetarian food is evil.
Using "complete logic", let me know if eating non-vegetarian food is evil.
Fudos. Excellent Question. These forums sure make you think. . .
Seems logic is operating on basic rules... I am thinking on the premise that Humans are the "top" of the chain and therefore all humans have equal rights to being spared from evil, whilst animals do not factor into the equation.... very interesting, because they are considered less.... So.... the way we seem to do things: those with more power, have more protective rights from evil. Those in lesser power have lesser protection from it.
Most would not consider eating an animal evil.... unless the animal is owned by another human (such as a pet) or in the case that the owning human was not sufficiently enumerated. The link back to the human again....
An animal, if it can think in such depth, would consider both humans evil, though to the humans, no evil was committed.
I do believe that this would not be the case if animals could converse with humans. We treat animals like merchandise for our own.
Thx for that thought, very interesting indeed.
Seems logic is operating on basic rules... I am thinking on the premise that Humans are the "top" of the chain and therefore all humans have equal rights to being spared from evil, whilst animals do not factor into the equation.... very interesting, because they are considered less.... So.... the way we seem to do things: those with more power, have more protective rights from evil. Those in lesser power have lesser protection from it.
Most would not consider eating an animal evil.... unless the animal is owned by another human (such as a pet) or in the case that the owning human was not sufficiently enumerated. The link back to the human again....
An animal, if it can think in such depth, would consider both humans evil, though to the humans, no evil was committed.
I do believe that this would not be the case if animals could converse with humans. We treat animals like merchandise for our own.
Thx for that thought, very interesting indeed.
Bot
Your theory just does not make a lot of sense.
Then why does the Catholic Church allow, the so called Ministers of their Religion,
to stand behind the pulpit. These are supposedly people who had given themselves
to GOD. As their is exceptions to every rule, so of those so called Fathers, the
evil exists even with God in their heart. It is just God is not attached to their
sexual organ. The Catholic Church covered up these evils from there own
community's. The next exception is the fact that the higher Catholic religious
leaders like Bishops and Archbishops furthered the evil by allowing it to continue.
These Bishops and Archbishops had God in their heart. They just didn't want
God to control their pocketbook or their money making machines of the masses
being aware of the evils in their own mists. Others have committed evil acts under the pretense they thought God was speaking to them. God was still in their hearts,
but not in their brains.
God gave us Free Will. People make choices. Some of those choices are to do
evil, to cover up evil, to turn their back and pretend they do not see the evil.
Also some of those choices are to stop evil, to not pretend they do not see the evil,
and not to turn their back when they are confronted with evil.
Others choose to try and do good with their lives.
You know, do unto others as you would want others to do unto you!
We all sin in one way or another. Nobody is perfect. But I guess you could say
there are levels of sins. Evil is in a category of sin all by itself. The fact is Evil
is what gets our attention. In some cases, it helps brings others closer to their
God in trying to distance themselves from the evil in the world.
As the quote goes "EVIL PERSISTS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING".
That should be changed to when good people do nothing. But the quote is
true enough.
Evil happens everyday even in our government. God is in there hearts, but
the government, also having Free Will, chooses to hide the majority of their
actions. The secretive world of the government. They also have their own
levels of evil.
But as their are exceptions to every rule, I would have to admit there are those
among us who commit evil and have never had a relationship with God.
And maybe this is what your topic is really about.
But I firmly believe the majority of evil done God is in their lives, has been in
there lives, and will continue to be in their lives. God just won't be in the part
of the body they use to commit these evils.
One last thing. Just because a person has so called Evil thoughts, does not
disallow the fact that they can't have God in their hearts too.
Sometimes evil wins over good. Some people are not strong enough. Others
are more than strong enough, they just don't care who gets hurt in the process.
Especially those that follow under the level or category of
"GREED IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL". But that is not really true. It is just
true for those who have more than those who have less.
Your theory just does not make a lot of sense.
Then why does the Catholic Church allow, the so called Ministers of their Religion,
to stand behind the pulpit. These are supposedly people who had given themselves
to GOD. As their is exceptions to every rule, so of those so called Fathers, the
evil exists even with God in their heart. It is just God is not attached to their
sexual organ. The Catholic Church covered up these evils from there own
community's. The next exception is the fact that the higher Catholic religious
leaders like Bishops and Archbishops furthered the evil by allowing it to continue.
These Bishops and Archbishops had God in their heart. They just didn't want
God to control their pocketbook or their money making machines of the masses
being aware of the evils in their own mists. Others have committed evil acts under the pretense they thought God was speaking to them. God was still in their hearts,
but not in their brains.
God gave us Free Will. People make choices. Some of those choices are to do
evil, to cover up evil, to turn their back and pretend they do not see the evil.
Also some of those choices are to stop evil, to not pretend they do not see the evil,
and not to turn their back when they are confronted with evil.
Others choose to try and do good with their lives.
You know, do unto others as you would want others to do unto you!
We all sin in one way or another. Nobody is perfect. But I guess you could say
there are levels of sins. Evil is in a category of sin all by itself. The fact is Evil
is what gets our attention. In some cases, it helps brings others closer to their
God in trying to distance themselves from the evil in the world.
As the quote goes "EVIL PERSISTS WHEN GOOD MEN DO NOTHING".
That should be changed to when good people do nothing. But the quote is
true enough.
Evil happens everyday even in our government. God is in there hearts, but
the government, also having Free Will, chooses to hide the majority of their
actions. The secretive world of the government. They also have their own
levels of evil.
But as their are exceptions to every rule, I would have to admit there are those
among us who commit evil and have never had a relationship with God.
And maybe this is what your topic is really about.
But I firmly believe the majority of evil done God is in their lives, has been in
there lives, and will continue to be in their lives. God just won't be in the part
of the body they use to commit these evils.
One last thing. Just because a person has so called Evil thoughts, does not
disallow the fact that they can't have God in their hearts too.
Sometimes evil wins over good. Some people are not strong enough. Others
are more than strong enough, they just don't care who gets hurt in the process.
Especially those that follow under the level or category of
"GREED IS THE ROOT OF ALL EVIL". But that is not really true. It is just
true for those who have more than those who have less.
Standards of good and evil are set up by each society. If you read the old testament/quran, god is evil because of his contempt for human life, and refusal to help those who need it. Also for urging his followers to kill other people.
Didn't we already go through this? And didn't we reach a stailmate?
QUOTE (555Joshua+Dec 7 2006, 12:10 AM)
Didn't we already go through this? And didn't we reach a stailmate?
Dang......Allright.....here is the scenario. A cop shoots his cat and misses..
Dang......Allright.....here is the scenario. A cop shoots his cat and misses..
Explaining the unexplicable:
Light is per definition illumitated darkness
Cold per definition is the absence of heat
Heat which irradiates from the sun, molecular friction, etc etc is a source
Light is also a source
Cold can only be measured in degrees, minus scale of (absolute zero = -470 degrees F)
Heat can only be measured in degrees (above zero degrees mot above absolute zero)
We can not define God and evil (devil) using the above terms, as we can perceive them but no one has ever seen one or another
The Bible quotes "do not try to explain things beyond your (human) capabilities as this will lead you to branch away from God itself (as an entity) aha....GOT IT.....
God is the good entity, evil the bad one
God did not create evil, evil came to be (fallen angel who branchead away from God)
The problems our world have were created by those whom branched away from what's stated on the Bible.... (lack of good=evil)
Lack of life = death, but we can live forever (and ever) thru the good we passed onto
our descendants, hence eternal life (not as we perceive life when we are alive such as counting how many days we lived and so on... when the 'clock stops ticking' we enter another dimension.... that is called eternity.... if you want to 'live' in peace eternally, branch away from evil thoughts and/or actions and as myself go warm up a cup of coffee and pray to God for all the good things He brought to your life....
You have eyes to see, ears to hear, sould to perceive... use them as they were intended to be used and you will be walking hand in hand with God!
Light is per definition illumitated darkness
Cold per definition is the absence of heat
Heat which irradiates from the sun, molecular friction, etc etc is a source
Light is also a source
Cold can only be measured in degrees, minus scale of (absolute zero = -470 degrees F)
Heat can only be measured in degrees (above zero degrees mot above absolute zero)
We can not define God and evil (devil) using the above terms, as we can perceive them but no one has ever seen one or another
The Bible quotes "do not try to explain things beyond your (human) capabilities as this will lead you to branch away from God itself (as an entity) aha....GOT IT.....
God is the good entity, evil the bad one
God did not create evil, evil came to be (fallen angel who branchead away from God)
The problems our world have were created by those whom branched away from what's stated on the Bible.... (lack of good=evil)
Lack of life = death, but we can live forever (and ever) thru the good we passed onto
our descendants, hence eternal life (not as we perceive life when we are alive such as counting how many days we lived and so on... when the 'clock stops ticking' we enter another dimension.... that is called eternity.... if you want to 'live' in peace eternally, branch away from evil thoughts and/or actions and as myself go warm up a cup of coffee and pray to God for all the good things He brought to your life....
You have eyes to see, ears to hear, sould to perceive... use them as they were intended to be used and you will be walking hand in hand with God!
If you want to ponder something that may or may not exsist ponder then what the voice in your head would sound like if you had been bord deaf and mute, not that the voice in your head has a sound anyway but if you had never heard sound then what would thinking be like? Pictures? What if you where also blind? Absence of things dont always make for stright forwad anwsers.....
if you cant measure it than you cant prove its real .
Evil is to take action on a decision involving another and only considering what's best for yourself.
QUOTE (oracle1+Dec 19 2006, 04:45 PM)
Evil is to take action on a decision involving another and only considering what's best for yourself.
That is being selfish.
That is being selfish.
oracle1. I think that is only natural. Taking note of how it would affect others is good.
...and although it's been said many times, many ways.....Merry Chr......
oops I mean.. It's purely subjective.!
oops I mean.. It's purely subjective.!
Here is how it is. The devil is a real person, and is the epitomy of evil (and deception). Evil by itself is not the devil. Christendom and Hollywood as well as devil worshippers and devotees have only served to add to the confusion of believers and non-believers alike.
I will start with Hollywood. We all know that movies are fictitious (based on real life or modern theory normally), claim to be based on fact, or are "true" stories. These conditions of course should be taken with a pinch of salt (skeptical)
However, some truths may be found in these portrayals. I don't recommend such movies, but two of those I viewed have elements of truth attached. "Mr Frost" was interesting, but contained falsehoods and half-truths regarding the devil, just like in real life. In it the devil claimed through the possessed man that he was angry how science had "disproved" or debunked him, whereas in the past everyone believed in his existence. The truth is that it is the devil himself who has caused this shift of belief. In that Arnold movie where he has to fight the devil the priest says truthfully that "the devil's greatest trick was to make the world believe he doesn't exist".
Why would the devil want to cause such a great deception?
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"Why is it YOU do not know what I am speaking? Because YOU cannot listen to my word. 44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell the truth, YOU do not believe me"
-Jesus (John 8:43-45)
"for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works"
-2 Cor 11:14,15
If you know he exists, then by inference God also exists. In this age of evolution promotion, this would only hinder his efforts in that regard, or work against his interests. In the past there was widespread belief in God, and the devil had no qualms about making himself known, even visibly.
This doesn't mean he's gone away somewhere, as the Arnold movie describes. He (Satan) is still free at this time to roam around influencing people, especially all those wishing to serve him as the current ruler of the world, which he is; and all those he deceives and blinds to the truth through false religion, those who mistakenly believe they are worshipping God, and they are, but only the god of this system of things, Satan the devil.
All those giving him their allegiance are in chaotic turmoil, believing that he will be like the genie that grants three wishes. It's true that he may provide a quick sugar fix before crushing them or until the end of their unsatisfying existence. These people feel they have special knowledge, but only know what he wishes them to know, which is mainly lies and deception.
Light and darkness cannot exist together, but when the light appears it saturates all, and vanquishes the darkness.
The light is in the world. Look for it and find true comfort and satisfaction.
Q: Is the devil's name Lucifer?
A: No basis in fact or Bible
Q: Who is this Santa person?
A: Re-arrange for 'Satan'. Xmas has nothing to do with God. See encyclopaedia.
Santa is probably derived from Saint Nicholas. "Old Nick" was another term for the devil.
I will start with Hollywood. We all know that movies are fictitious (based on real life or modern theory normally), claim to be based on fact, or are "true" stories. These conditions of course should be taken with a pinch of salt (skeptical)
However, some truths may be found in these portrayals. I don't recommend such movies, but two of those I viewed have elements of truth attached. "Mr Frost" was interesting, but contained falsehoods and half-truths regarding the devil, just like in real life. In it the devil claimed through the possessed man that he was angry how science had "disproved" or debunked him, whereas in the past everyone believed in his existence. The truth is that it is the devil himself who has caused this shift of belief. In that Arnold movie where he has to fight the devil
the priest says truthfully that "the devil's greatest trick was to make the world believe he doesn't exist".Why would the devil want to cause such a great deception?
======================================
"Why is it YOU do not know what I am speaking? Because YOU cannot listen to my word. 44 YOU are from YOUR father the Devil, and YOU wish to do the desires of YOUR father. That one was a manslayer when he began, and he did not stand fast in the truth, because truth is not in him. When he speaks the lie, he speaks according to his own disposition, because he is a liar and the father of [the lie]. 45 Because I, on the other hand, tell the truth, YOU do not believe me"
-Jesus (John 8:43-45)
"for Satan himself keeps transforming himself into an angel of light. 15 It is therefore nothing great if his ministers also keep transforming themselves into ministers of righteousness. But their end shall be according to their works"
-2 Cor 11:14,15
If you know he exists, then by inference God also exists. In this age of evolution promotion, this would only hinder his efforts in that regard, or work against his interests. In the past there was widespread belief in God, and the devil had no qualms about making himself known, even visibly.
This doesn't mean he's gone away somewhere, as the Arnold movie describes. He (Satan) is still free at this time to roam around influencing people, especially all those wishing to serve him as the current ruler of the world, which he is; and all those he deceives and blinds to the truth through false religion, those who mistakenly believe they are worshipping God, and they are, but only the god of this system of things, Satan the devil.
All those giving him their allegiance are in chaotic turmoil, believing that he will be like the genie that grants three wishes. It's true that he may provide a quick sugar fix before crushing them or until the end of their unsatisfying existence. These people feel they have special knowledge, but only know what he wishes them to know, which is mainly lies and deception.
Light and darkness cannot exist together, but when the light appears it saturates all, and vanquishes the darkness.
The light is in the world. Look for it and find true comfort and satisfaction.
Q: Is the devil's name Lucifer?
A: No basis in fact or Bible
Q: Who is this Santa person?
A: Re-arrange for 'Satan'. Xmas has nothing to do with God. See encyclopaedia.
Santa is probably derived from Saint Nicholas. "Old Nick" was another term for the devil.
QUOTE (andyrdj+Apr 18 2006, 09:37 AM)
So when viruses fuse with your cell membranes, that's good?
And when the sugar molecules break apart in your body and give you energy, that's bad?
Try making imprecise generalisations from science concepts and you'll end up looking daft!
1. Only if a type A person who really needs reason to take some bodily rest.
2.Only when you do bad things with the sugars energy.
(Some of are only good at being daft, if it's all you've got you learn to make it work for you, and sometimes it helps out others...those with "superior" minds.)
OMG! You people are still posting to this thread! LOL!!!
That's sort of comforting actually... like finding an old slipper you'd forgotten about and thought you'd lost:P.
That's sort of comforting actually... like finding an old slipper you'd forgotten about and thought you'd lost:P.
QUOTE (bot0004+Apr 11 2006, 03:48 PM)
Evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God." - Albert Einstein.
I would not use religious language here but the concept is correct. Many bad or evil things are simply absences of the things necessary for a good outcome.
If you think through the logic of it - if anything necessary for a good outcome is lacking there will be some kind of bad outcome. And if you call a bad outcome 'evil' then all you need to get evil is for something necessary for a good outcome to be lacking.
Therefore there is no need for anything bad or evil to actually exist at all. The whole world could be full of bad or evil things only through widespread lacks of the things necessary for good outcomes.
The main problem with evil as 'absences' is that sometimes bad results stem from excesses which are the opposite of absences, eg too much heat and you get burned. There is also a 3rd case where elements are neither absent nor excessive but simply in a bad relationship with each other which causes bad results, such as bacteria that are harmless in the environment but cause trouble when they get into your urinary tract.
Fortunately, absences, excesses and relationships are all abstracts. That is they have no actual existence of their own. You referred before to the concept that things must exist if they are described but what is being described is not the abstract itself but a reification of the abstract.
On the existence/non-existence issue I have found these words to be confusing and the criterion I find useful is that one can be manipulated and the other cannot, eg light consists of photons that can be reflected, refracted or blocked, ie it can be manipulated. Darkness cannot be manipulated because there is nothing there to manipulate
There is one characteristic however which I have found that covers all types of bad or evil things and that is a lack of control. In any bad or evil situation you will find there is always a lack of control. And all that needs to happen for there to be a lack of control is for something/anything necessary to have control to be missing or even deficient. What is missing may be experience or compassion or knowledge or a stick - it could be anything, anything necessary for control. If fact it is more compelling than that because if anything that is necessary for control is lacking - good results will occur only as a matter of luck.
I would not use religious language here but the concept is correct. Many bad or evil things are simply absences of the things necessary for a good outcome.
If you think through the logic of it - if anything necessary for a good outcome is lacking there will be some kind of bad outcome. And if you call a bad outcome 'evil' then all you need to get evil is for something necessary for a good outcome to be lacking.
Therefore there is no need for anything bad or evil to actually exist at all. The whole world could be full of bad or evil things only through widespread lacks of the things necessary for good outcomes.
The main problem with evil as 'absences' is that sometimes bad results stem from excesses which are the opposite of absences, eg too much heat and you get burned. There is also a 3rd case where elements are neither absent nor excessive but simply in a bad relationship with each other which causes bad results, such as bacteria that are harmless in the environment but cause trouble when they get into your urinary tract.
Fortunately, absences, excesses and relationships are all abstracts. That is they have no actual existence of their own. You referred before to the concept that things must exist if they are described but what is being described is not the abstract itself but a reification of the abstract.
On the existence/non-existence issue I have found these words to be confusing and the criterion I find useful is that one can be manipulated and the other cannot, eg light consists of photons that can be reflected, refracted or blocked, ie it can be manipulated. Darkness cannot be manipulated because there is nothing there to manipulate
There is one characteristic however which I have found that covers all types of bad or evil things and that is a lack of control. In any bad or evil situation you will find there is always a lack of control. And all that needs to happen for there to be a lack of control is for something/anything necessary to have control to be missing or even deficient. What is missing may be experience or compassion or knowledge or a stick - it could be anything, anything necessary for control. If fact it is more compelling than that because if anything that is necessary for control is lacking - good results will occur only as a matter of luck.
The Germans and Japanese did great evil to their prisoners in World War II. Saddam Hussin and many other dictators have been known to do great evil to helpless people. There have always been accusations of torture and wanton murder against soldiers. I think such evil is there in every race among certain people.
It was found that people who had sustained certain head injuries early in their lives lost the ability to properly associate with others and literally could not see anything wrong with harming, even killing their fellow man. We appear to have an area that serves as an actual conscience in our brains.
It was found that people who had sustained certain head injuries early in their lives lost the ability to properly associate with others and literally could not see anything wrong with harming, even killing their fellow man. We appear to have an area that serves as an actual conscience in our brains.
U.S. is the EVIL...Because the power which controls it came from devil's itself..We must stop U.S. because ignorance and greedy eyes has this country..And no one asks why and why even thousends miles away people doesnt like U.S...The answer is simple..Because U.S. killed their kids,womans,men daughters , sons,mothers,fathers,brothers,sisters...And U.S. also helped killers to kill people just to make U.S. more strong and rich..Nazi's couldnt get away from these kinda sins..Neither war supporters in U.S. will..
Solution Is Simple...
There is only one nuclear threat on the earth and it is U.S.
Once U.S. 's nuclear abilities stopped earth will be much more safer and peaceful place to live...
Let There Be Light.
Solution Is Simple...
There is only one nuclear threat on the earth and it is U.S.
Once U.S. 's nuclear abilities stopped earth will be much more safer and peaceful place to live...
Let There Be Light.
QUOTE (TruthBring-er+Feb 3 2007, 02:25 PM)
U.S. is the EVIL...Because the power which controls it came from devil's itself..We must stop U.S. because ignorance and greedy eyes has this country..And no one asks why and why even thousends miles away people doesnt like U.S...The answer is simple..Because U.S. killed their kids,womans,men daughters , sons,mothers,fathers,brothers,sisters...And U.S. also helped killers to kill people just to make U.S. more strong and rich..Nazi's couldnt get away from these kinda sins..Neither war supporters in U.S. will..
Solution Is Simple...
There is only one nuclear threat on the earth and it is U.S.
Once U.S. 's nuclear abilities stopped earth will be much more safer and peaceful place to live...
Let There Be Light.
yeah, the u.s. is evil. Are you really serious about that?
Solution Is Simple...
There is only one nuclear threat on the earth and it is U.S.
Once U.S. 's nuclear abilities stopped earth will be much more safer and peaceful place to live...
Let There Be Light.
yeah, the u.s. is evil. Are you really serious about that?
Well, I don't have much love for the US, but I'd say you are confusing ability to do evil with evil itself. Ability to do things evil or good is everywhere in the world, someplace smaller elsewhere greater, but it's everywhere. Say the black holes in the ocean of universe: do you think of them as evil? Well, they are not, they do nothing bad to us. But they obviously have the potential.
The potential and power to do evil is not yet evil. Usually, it goes together with the potential and power to do good. True evil is willingness to do evil. Even without the potential. That, and lack of wisdom. These are the only two true sources of evil.
I think this post had little to do with the US - I'm not an expert on "what are the intentions of the US", but you can extend it there.
The potential and power to do evil is not yet evil. Usually, it goes together with the potential and power to do good. True evil is willingness to do evil. Even without the potential. That, and lack of wisdom. These are the only two true sources of evil.
I think this post had little to do with the US - I'm not an expert on "what are the intentions of the US", but you can extend it there.
That blackhole killed 655000 people in iraq..since they came to iraq..(2003)
Actually.. who cares? thank god we are not in there..
How sad...
I just cant accept that kinda way to use phyics..
for example GPS sytem..It was built to have more reliable targeting system..To have much more accurate rockets that carries less explosive..
That blackhole tries take control all over the world so to be much more rich..
Thats why oil rich countries first targets. Second targets are countries that can be powerful and can get bigger slice from the cake..
This is not for protection this is an attack..an invade.
still nuclear weapon researchs running in that blackhole...
and that blackhole is the only one country on the earth who used atom bomb in war.(hirosima,nagazaki)
I am against evil. I am against blackhole(s)
I support light , freedom and equality..
So anyone shares this he/she is my brother/sister whatever he/she nationality is..
LET THERE BE LIGHT
not blackholes..
Actually.. who cares? thank god we are not in there..
How sad...
I just cant accept that kinda way to use phyics..
for example GPS sytem..It was built to have more reliable targeting system..To have much more accurate rockets that carries less explosive..
That blackhole tries take control all over the world so to be much more rich..
Thats why oil rich countries first targets. Second targets are countries that can be powerful and can get bigger slice from the cake..
This is not for protection this is an attack..an invade.
still nuclear weapon researchs running in that blackhole...
and that blackhole is the only one country on the earth who used atom bomb in war.(hirosima,nagazaki)
I am against evil. I am against blackhole(s)
I support light , freedom and equality..
So anyone shares this he/she is my brother/sister whatever he/she nationality is..
LET THERE BE LIGHT
not blackholes..
QUOTE (TruthBring-er+Feb 16 2007, 03:06 PM)
I just cant accept that kinda way to use phyics..
for example GPS sytem..It was built to have more reliable targeting system..To have much more accurate rockets that carries less explosive..
It can also help you find a Waffle House in an unfamiliar town.
for example GPS sytem..It was built to have more reliable targeting system..To have much more accurate rockets that carries less explosive..
It can also help you find a Waffle House in an unfamiliar town.
QUOTE (gmilam+Feb 16 2007, 09:38 PM)
It can also help you find a Waffle House in an unfamiliar town.
Can it help you find a waffle in an unfamliar town?
Can it help you find a waffle in an unfamliar town?
To topic: No, the word has arbitrary meaning that differs on what it applies to from culture to culture it's an idea made up by man that describes a noun or action. It is not a formal thing only a paradigm dependent idea the interpreter decides should or shouldn't be related to the noun of it's attention or actions perceived intention. Evil and Good so be it only exists as they are inside the paradigm of the conceiver, but outside they are left up to infinite interpretation and fail to be anything other than arbitrarily conceptual ever changing reflections of a collectively projected moral zeitgeist. Do they either contain real substance , no.
No good without evil.
"god created evil"
This isnt right. god didnt create the devil. He created angles, some of these angels tryed to rise against god. so they fell and became demonds, satan was there leader, before he was satan he was lucifer gods right hand man.
the herbrew word for devil is equivilant to challanger/tester. devil as we know it is somthing man made up.
like Albert Einstein said "Evil is simply the absence of God"
This isnt right. god didnt create the devil. He created angles, some of these angels tryed to rise against god. so they fell and became demonds, satan was there leader, before he was satan he was lucifer gods right hand man.
the herbrew word for devil is equivilant to challanger/tester. devil as we know it is somthing man made up.
like Albert Einstein said "Evil is simply the absence of God"
I think evil and good are relative, each defined with respect to the other. It is like a bar with a notch somewhere in the middle which defines the boundary, with a side being good and the other evil. You cannot have only good because it will lose its meaning, the base it's measured against, and the same goes for evil.
As for the difference between evil and evil potential, I agree with the view that to describe a sentient as 'evil' signifies the 'intent' or 'will' to be evil, not the capacity or potential, and it goes the same for good. Only sentient, 'aware' creatures can be good or evil, because a creature or thing that commits evil without realizing the 'evil' in its action is not evil. A lion that kills a human is not evil - neither is a black hole that swallows earth (for example). Though the consequences of these actions seem evil to us, they were not done with 'evil' intent.
I can stab a pencil into my co-worker's eye. That's potential for evil. I don't have that intention (though it does seem amusing just kidding...) so I don't consider myself evil. The fact that I didn't doesn't make me good either, just not evil.
It's all about the intent.
As for the difference between evil and evil potential, I agree with the view that to describe a sentient as 'evil' signifies the 'intent' or 'will' to be evil, not the capacity or potential, and it goes the same for good. Only sentient, 'aware' creatures can be good or evil, because a creature or thing that commits evil without realizing the 'evil' in its action is not evil. A lion that kills a human is not evil - neither is a black hole that swallows earth (for example). Though the consequences of these actions seem evil to us, they were not done with 'evil' intent.
I can stab a pencil into my co-worker's eye. That's potential for evil. I don't have that intention (though it does seem amusing
just kidding...) so I don't consider myself evil. The fact that I didn't doesn't make me good either, just not evil. It's all about the intent.
I agree with that war has became more evil. Not that human nature have changed in any way. History shows us that people committed atrocities before the a-bomb. The difference between then and now being that then people had to look their victims in the eye, so to speak.
Nowadays we have 'collateral damage' instead which means dead civilian's. If you check it up you will find an ever rising curve of 'collateral damage' for the last some hundred years. So there is no real honor to making war, if it ever was. And when a country as advanced as the USA goes to war against a third world country there is no real competition.
It's also two ways of looking on reality that meets, each one grounded in different history and religion. We are slowly moving out from the dark ages here in the western world, it wasn't so far ago as we were burning witches.
As our living standards ever keeps getting better and our old ways of keeping the family together slowly changes we tend forget that we to were 'third world' countries not so long ago.
And off course, we want to keep what we have. So we watch jealously over our energy reserves ;). And we try to make deals with the devil himself if it can secure our standard of living. So what does that make us? Only human I'm afraid ;). And profit keeps us in the old tracks, at least untill 'the money' finds itself compelled to make a change, that is, when they see the possibility of new profit.
And whenever you hear someone tell you about war or read a book about it, you should remember that the stories that are told comes from those who survived.
And if you don't get my meaning....
There has to be some midlecourse we can take. You can't be expected to love everyone, but you should be able to live with them, well maybe not next door ;) but still..
Nowadays we have 'collateral damage' instead which means dead civilian's. If you check it up you will find an ever rising curve of 'collateral damage' for the last some hundred years. So there is no real honor to making war, if it ever was. And when a country as advanced as the USA goes to war against a third world country there is no real competition.
It's also two ways of looking on reality that meets, each one grounded in different history and religion. We are slowly moving out from the dark ages here in the western world, it wasn't so far ago as we were burning witches.
As our living standards ever keeps getting better and our old ways of keeping the family together slowly changes we tend forget that we to were 'third world' countries not so long ago.
And off course, we want to keep what we have. So we watch jealously over our energy reserves ;). And we try to make deals with the devil himself if it can secure our standard of living. So what does that make us? Only human I'm afraid ;). And profit keeps us in the old tracks, at least untill 'the money' finds itself compelled to make a change, that is, when they see the possibility of new profit.
And whenever you hear someone tell you about war or read a book about it, you should remember that the stories that are told comes from those who survived.
And if you don't get my meaning....
There has to be some midlecourse we can take. You can't be expected to love everyone, but you should be able to live with them, well maybe not next door ;) but still..
The highest truth about "Evil" is that is does NOT exist.
The person involved in a scenario whereby he/she decides that what they are seeing is an act of "Evil" denotes a personal judgement made, a personal labelling of a circumstance.
How a situation is viewed depends on many things, most notably is the what the mind tells you from past experience, and from what the majority of people you know (or have ever met), how they react will hold bearing on your feelings towards it.
Every situation is able to be viewd from a point where it is seen for its purpose and the opportunity that arises from it. By this i mean, its the reason behind WHY this act of "evil" is taking place. There is always an opportunity for personal growth during acts percieved as evil.
Its at times when we as Humans fail to "understand" why certain things are happening, that we may label them as "good or bad" (which too, at the highest truth, do not exist). It is not advised to label something you dont completely understand.
When viewing a situation from this perspective, the whole thought of "Evil" and its existance (or lack of) becomes much clearer.
The person involved in a scenario whereby he/she decides that what they are seeing is an act of "Evil" denotes a personal judgement made, a personal labelling of a circumstance.
How a situation is viewed depends on many things, most notably is the what the mind tells you from past experience, and from what the majority of people you know (or have ever met), how they react will hold bearing on your feelings towards it.
Every situation is able to be viewd from a point where it is seen for its purpose and the opportunity that arises from it. By this i mean, its the reason behind WHY this act of "evil" is taking place. There is always an opportunity for personal growth during acts percieved as evil.
Its at times when we as Humans fail to "understand" why certain things are happening, that we may label them as "good or bad" (which too, at the highest truth, do not exist). It is not advised to label something you dont completely understand.
When viewing a situation from this perspective, the whole thought of "Evil" and its existance (or lack of) becomes much clearer.
Humans as long as they are humans will always use words like evil to describe what they dont like... That does not mean evil actualy exists no more then a chair actualy exists... A chair is just a word we give to an object we can sit on... Evil is just the word we give to something thats percieved to be bad for us... In a world full of heat there is no actual cold same as in a world full of good there is no evil. Basicaly it comes down to believing or not believing in things existing at all. Just because I chose to believe things dont exist doesnt mean they dont exist but your gona have a hard time tricking me into believing your position of they do exist because I am stuck with my beliefs.
QUOTE
Evil does not exist. Evil is simply the absence of God. It is just like darkness and cold, a word that man has created to describe the absence of God. God did not create evil. Evil is the result of what happens when man does not have God's love present in his heart. It's like the cold that comes when there is no heat or the darkness that comes when there is no light." - Albert Einstein.
What does everyone think of this quote? My friend and I were arguing about the existence of Cold and Darkness, and he said that according to Science, Cold doesn't exist, it is just the absence of Cold and Dark is the absence of Light. I said, however, that if you describe something, it must exist, because you can describe it.
Need some help with this one? Does cold/dark/evil/god exist???
Thanks!
What does everyone think of this quote? My friend and I were arguing about the existence of Cold and Darkness, and he said that according to Science, Cold doesn't exist, it is just the absence of Cold and Dark is the absence of Light. I said, however, that if you describe something, it must exist, because you can describe it.
Need some help with this one? Does cold/dark/evil/god exist???
Thanks!
what Einstein was trying to say was THE ABSENCE OF HEAT IS COLD........the absence....cold , is no form of energy...heat is .......cold, is the mere absence of heat......
evil , is the absence of good......and possibly, good is the absence of evil.......
And how could you make such a statement.....that evil is the absence of god....to many people, god does not exist.....so to them your theory, is incorrect.......
neutrinos
'god' is the absence of Truth
g.
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I think evil is like a circle.
We can all define it, with words. We can all tell when something is 'more circular' or 'more evil' than another thing. That said, neither "pure evil" nor "pure circleness" need exist. In fact, a perfect circle can't physically exist. I see no need for pure evil to exist either, for the concept to be viable.
We can all define it, with words. We can all tell when something is 'more circular' or 'more evil' than another thing. That said, neither "pure evil" nor "pure circleness" need exist. In fact, a perfect circle can't physically exist. I see no need for pure evil to exist either, for the concept to be viable.
re Does Evil Exist?
I suppose that is like asking if numbers exist, or if time exists. Evil may not exist in the physical sense, ie our 4d spacetime, however its effects are, and are all too real. It plagues damn near every fn corner of the universe.
One might argue evil is more real than the physical realm of things, for it rots the mind and body and soul. It destroys people. It destroys life. It destroys minds. And it destory souls. It destroys everything in its path. It is pure fn stench and Satan and his minions are more than happy to dish it out wholesale.
I forget where I read that the greatest lie would be that Satan would have man believe he did not exist.
Please excuse my language today. I'm just sort of venting today since yesterday I learned some really really awful news. It is so fn awful, I won't even discuss it.
Bloody *** hell,
bloody *** hell.
what the ***,
what the ***,
bloody *** hell.
PJ Parent
I suppose that is like asking if numbers exist, or if time exists. Evil may not exist in the physical sense, ie our 4d spacetime, however its effects are, and are all too real. It plagues damn near every fn corner of the universe.
One might argue evil is more real than the physical realm of things, for it rots the mind and body and soul. It destroys people. It destroys life. It destroys minds. And it destory souls. It destroys everything in its path. It is pure fn stench and Satan and his minions are more than happy to dish it out wholesale.
I forget where I read that the greatest lie would be that Satan would have man believe he did not exist.
Please excuse my language today. I'm just sort of venting today since yesterday I learned some really really awful news. It is so fn awful, I won't even discuss it.
Bloody *** hell,
bloody *** hell.
what the ***,
what the ***,
bloody *** hell.
PJ Parent
Evil exists but it is not mystical.
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