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ravi
folks - just curious to know if anyone knows how HgCl2 and Hg2Cl2 can exist?
Enthalpy
Hi Ravi!
I'm not sure to have understood your interrogation...

Both compounds do exist. Hg has different valence numbers in these compounds. This is extremely common among elements: only the lightest ones have a single valence number - and even this is exceptional. For instance, C can make CO and CO2.

Is that the general direction of your question?

Mendeleev's table is still useful, but valence numbers shouldn't be inferred quickly from it. Most heavy elements have 2, 3, 4, 5 possible valence numbers or even more. So-called noble gases can make stable bonds, like XeF2. Etc etc. So chemistry isn't simple, and what is taught is often false for being simplified.
wcelliott
Enthalpy is correct.

I remember reading here an article stating that gold is yellow-colored because its nucleus is so dense that the electrons are going close to the speed of light. It would otherwise be silver-colored if not for the relativistic time dilation.

Hg is a heavy element, and that leads to it having a non-specific valence (which is also why platinum is a catalyst).
ravi
QUOTE (Enthalpy+Dec 21 2008, 03:16 AM)
Hi Ravi!
I'm not sure to have understood your interrogation...

Both compounds do exist. Hg has different valence numbers in these compounds. This is extremely common among elements: only the lightest ones have a single valence number - and even this is exceptional. For instance, C can make CO and CO2.

Is that the general direction of your question?

Mendeleev's table is still useful, but valence numbers shouldn't be inferred quickly from it. Most heavy elements have 2, 3, 4, 5 possible valence numbers or even more. So-called noble gases can make stable bonds, like XeF2. Etc etc. So chemistry isn't simple, and what is taught is often false for being simplified.

This is regarding the valency of mercury...my doubt is how Hgcl2 And Hg2cl2 Can stably exist? why both of them are stable?

In theory I think it should not stable and therefor should be non-existent...referring electronic configuration...!! Am I missing something here?

Similarly other thing that bog me is why Cu2+ is more stable than Cu+?

Enthalpy
At least I understood your question more or less the right way.

Well, telling that an element has various valence numbers implies that these valence numbers are not a direct consequence of its electronic configuration. Anyone who would blindly believe the too simple models of electron shelves would be mislead into false deductions.

For instance, the "4 outer electrons" of Carbon are organized as 2 in a complete 2s shelf and 2 in incomplete 2p shelves. So CO is rather normal, but making CO2 supposes to deplete a filled 2s shelf - this is similar to making xenon fluoride.

On the other hand, Beryllium has a complete 2s shelf and the stability of CO should suggest Be is rather inert - but it certainly isn't. So nothing simple even with light atoms.

Now, if you take heavier atoms, the energies of many shelves overlap, so the image of filling completely one shelf before beginning the next one is false. Very false. Electrons fill partially many shelves at the same time, and may prefer one or the other depending on the chemical bonds with other elements.

This is a usual way to explain why many elements - rare earths group, Actinoids group, and others - can have very similar chemical properties: they are said to have the same outer electronic configuration, additional electrons filling a deeper shelf from one element to another. Of course, such a simplistic explanation is logically wrong.

In the case of Mercury, you may be disturbed if you've seen it in the first column of a compact form of Medeleev's table. But if you look at a wider form of the table, you'll see Mercury somewhere at the middle, and then having various valence numbers gets less disturbing. Good address there:
http://www.webelements.com/
wcelliott
Something further recently occurred to me.

The physicists' notion of what antiparticles are is time-reversed particles. Positrons are anti-electrons, which have opposite polarity.

Time therefore has something to do with charge. Relativistic time-dilation reduces charge. Heavy nuclei make the electrons go so fast that they're not operating at full charge.

The notion they teach in chemistry is that atoms have integer charges, each electron having one electron's charge. When they start going relativistic speeds, they aren't integer charges anymore, but fractional.

Kinda distracted at the moment, so this is probably not well-written, but it's an interesting perspective that I'd never considered before...
AlexG
QUOTE (wcelliott+Jan 22 2009, 09:15 PM)
Something further recently occurred to me.

The physicists' notion of what antiparticles are is time-reversed particles. Positrons are anti-electrons, which have opposite polarity.

Time therefore has something to do with charge. Relativistic time-dilation reduces charge. Heavy nuclei make the electrons go so fast that they're not operating at full charge.

The notion they teach in chemistry is that atoms have integer charges, each electron having one electron's charge. When they start going relativistic speeds, they aren't integer charges anymore, but fractional.

Kinda distracted at the moment, so this is probably not well-written, but it's an interesting perspective that I'd never considered before...

Nope.
gregdevid
Hi friend,
I willl give you general idea but i am not sure it's solution for you.Mercury occurs naturally in the environment and exists in a large number of forms. Like lead or cadmium, mercury is a constituent element of the earth, a heavy metal. In pure form, it is known alternatively as "elemental" or "metallic" mercury (also expressed as Hg(0) or Hg0). Mercury is rarely found in nature as the pure, liquid metal, but rather within compounds and inorganic salts. Mercury can be bound to other compounds as monovalent or divalent mercury (also expressed as Hg(I) and Hg(II) or Hg2+, respectively). Many inorganic and organic compounds of mercury can be formed from Hg(II).
Trippy
Native Mercury isn't so rare.
http://www.minerals.net/mineral/elements/m...ry/mercury1.htm
http://www.mii.org/Minerals/photomercury.html

Yes, they're both samples of Cinnabar (HgS) However, if you look closely at both images, you should be able to see the little blobs of native mercury that are generally associated with Cinnabar deposits.

As far as Valancy goes generally speaking most elements will react to a point where they have a full or half full shell of electrons.

Taking Cu (I) as an example, the electronic configuration of Cu (0) is [Ar]3d10 4s1
So Cu(I) is formed when Copper looses a single 4s electron to acheive a stable configuration.

IIRC they can also react so that they have pairs of electrons (no odd electrons) so in the case of Cu(II) I think it has an electronic configuration of something like [Ar]3d8 4s2 but i'm not 100% certain on that and I lack the time to look it up.

Heavier Group 18 elements can form compounds because they already have full shells, they have less of a grip on this full shells.

As far as the colour of Gold goes, Theory predicts that Gold should be a similar sort of colour to copper (most of the 'coloured' metals are blueish or reddish). However, applying a relativistic correction to the outer most orbitals shifts the peak and makes Gold appear the colour it does instead of a Ruddier colour.

As far as Mercuruos versus Mercuric chloride goes - Mercurous chloride is unstable, because of the Hg-Hg bond that forms, this bond can be broken by UV light to give Elemental Mercury and Mercuric chloride. I read somewhere that Mercury is unusual in this regard among the Group 12 metals, but I also seem to recall that Cadmium can also form a Dimer ([Cd-Cd]^2+) but it takes some 'persuasion' to do so).
wcelliott
It's a lot to wade through, but the article is interesting:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Atomic_orbita...ivistic_effects

"Relativistic effects
For elements with high atomic number Z, the effects of relativity become more pronounced, and especially so for s electrons, which move at relativistic velocities as they penetrate the screening electrons near the core of high Z atoms. This relativistic increase in momentum for high speed electrons causes a corresponding decrease in wavelength and contraction of 6s orbitals relative to 5d orbitals (by comparison to corresponding s and d electrons in lighter elements in the same column of the periodic table); this results in 6s valence electrons becoming lowered in energy.

Examples of significant physical outcomes of this effect include the lowered melting temperature of mercury (which results from 6s electrons not being available for metal bonding) and the golden color of gold and caesium (which result from narrowing of 6s to 5d transition energy to the point that visible light begins to be absorbed)."

And:

http://www.fourmilab.ch/documents/golden_glow/

"The colour of metals such as silver and gold is mainly due to absorption of light when a d electron jumps to an s orbital. For silver, the 4d→5s transition has an energy corresponding to ultraviolet light, so frequencies in the visible band are not absorbed. With all visible frequencies reflected equally, silver has no colour of its own; it's silvery. In gold, however, relativistic contraction of the s orbitals causes their energy levels to shift closer to those of the d orbitals (which are less affected by relativity). This, in turn, shifts the light absorption (primarily due to the 5d→6s transition) from the ultraviolet down into the lower energy and frequency blue visual range. A substance which absorbs blue light will reflect the rest of the spectrum: the reds and greens which, combined, result in the yellowish hue we call golden. "
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