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DavidD
Do quantum computer can solve NP-complete problems faster than conventional computer?
TheDoc
DAVIDD-DAVIDD- I THINJKS OFF NEW IDEA - WITH QUANTUM COMPUTER IS POSSIBLE TO MONITOR THE FLAT SPACETIMES DUE THE FLUCTUANTIONS OF THE ANTIPARTCLE MATRIX. TOPOLOGICAL SPACETIMES MYGHT BE CALCULATED WITH HELP OF QUANTUM COMPUTER???/.

WHAT DO YUO IS THINK? PLEASE RESPOND IAM VERY FACINATED BY THIS SUBJECT
DavidD
QUOTE (TheDoc+Mar 29 2008, 05:40 PM)
DAVIDD-DAVIDD- I THINJKS OFF NEW IDEA - WITH QUANTUM COMPUTER IS POSSIBLE TO MONITOR THE FLAT SPACETIMES DUE THE FLUCTUANTIONS OF THE ANTIPARTCLE MATRIX. TOPOLOGICAL SPACETIMES MYGHT BE CALCULATED WITH HELP OF QUANTUM COMPUTER???/.

WHAT DO YUO IS THINK? PLEASE RESPOND IAM VERY FACINATED BY THIS SUBJECT

I think you don't understand anything of this. But I don't think that 2D space time exist and that quantum computer is possible and I think that my balls theory is key of real space and universe working model.
MjolnirPants
QUANTUM COMPUTERS JUST GIBERSH FRAUD BASED ON WRONG INTERPTATUN OF PROBABLISTIK NATURE OF UNIVERSE AS QUANTUM MECHANCS!!!!!!!11111
QUANTUM MECHANCS NOT TRUE I PROVE WRONG IN MY BASEMENT ACCELIRATOR BUT NOBODY PUBLISH MY RESLTSD!!!!!!!1111
SCIENCE IN AMERICA IS FRAUD ALL THEY SCARED OF NEW IDEAS NOT WANT TO SEE THE WORLD BICOM BETTER PLAC!!!!!111
TheDoc
QUOTE (DAVIDD+)
I think you don't understand anything of this.


YUO IS GRATFOOIL GIBERISH CHICKENBRAIN!!!! IAM WELL-VERSED IN THE STUDY OF QUANTUM COMPUTING AND FAIRY THEORY!!!!!!!!!!111111/.

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I think that my balls theory is key of real space and universe working model.


SOCCER BALL OR TENNIS BALL???/.

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I think that my balls theory is key of real space and universe working model.


SOCCER BALL OR TENNIS BALL???/.

QUANTUM COMPUTERS JUST GIBERSH FRAUD BASED ON WRONG INTERPTATUN OF PROBABLISTIK NATURE OF UNIVERSE AS QUANTUM MECHANCS!!!!!!!11111


GRATFOOIL GIBERISH HERETIC IDEOT!!!!!!!!!!111

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QUANTUM MECHANCS NOT TRUE I PROVE WRONG IN MY BASEMENT ACCELIRATOR BUT NOBODY PUBLISH MY RESLTSD!!!!!!!1111


IDEOT!!!! QUANTUM MECHANICS CANNOT BE PROVE WRONG, IS INTEGRAL PART OF FAIRIE THEORY....IDEOT!
MjolnirPants
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I think that my balls theory is key of real space and universe working model

That's funny. Cause I think MY balls are the key to understanding space and time, too.
Wanna learn more? biggrin.gif
Moomin
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Mar 29 2008, 05:54 PM)
That's funny. Cause I think MY balls are the key to understanding space and time, too.
Wanna learn more? biggrin.gif

I much prefer the most superior "uru weapons of Loki's Storm Giant followers" in my Y-fronts.

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MjolnirPants
QUOTE (TheDoc+Mar 29 2008, 05:52 PM)
GRATFOOIL GIBERISH HERETIC IDEOT!!!!!!!!!!111




GIBBRISH IS YUR MIDDEL NAME DOGMATIC FOOOL!!!!!!``121

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IDEOT!!!! QUANTUM MECHANICS CANNOT BE PROVE WRONG, IS INTEGRAL PART OF FAIRIE THEORY....IDEOT!

FAIRIE THEORY PROVEN WRONG IN 1970'S FOOL!!!!!111!!`1! ONLY GOBLIN THEORY AND ELF THEORY REMAN!!!!! YO NO NOTHING OF PSYCHICS YU THINK STRING THEORY ABOUT CATS PLAYIN WITH YARN!!!!!111!!1!~!@@1!11


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IDEOT!!!! QUANTUM MECHANICS CANNOT BE PROVE WRONG, IS INTEGRAL PART OF FAIRIE THEORY....IDEOT!

FAIRIE THEORY PROVEN WRONG IN 1970'S FOOL!!!!!111!!`1! ONLY GOBLIN THEORY AND ELF THEORY REMAN!!!!! YO NO NOTHING OF PSYCHICS YU THINK STRING THEORY ABOUT CATS PLAYIN WITH YARN!!!!!111!!1!~!@@1!11


I much prefer the most superior "uru weapons of Loki's Storm Giant followers" in my Y-fronts.

Mjolnir is made from uru, and loki's storm giants can only defeat Thor through superior numbers, which they will never get the chance to do considering that he will be locked in battle with Jormungandr and slain only by his venom.
So HA!!!!!! I WIN!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!111
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Mar 29 2008, 01:26 PM)
Mjolnir is made from uru, and loki's storm giants can only defeat Thor through superior numbers, which they will never get the chance to do considering that he will be locked in battle with Jormungandr and slain only by his venom.
So HA!!!!!! I WIN!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!111

Who the hell cares?
Oh wait. Obviously you do.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 29 2008, 06:37 PM)
Who the hell cares?
Oh wait. Obviously you do.

Don't think I don't know what your little title says, buddy.
"barn voldtektforbryter" is more like it.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Mar 29 2008, 01:42 PM)
Don't think I don't know what your little title says, buddy.
"barn voldtektforbryter" is more like it.

What the hell does that have to do with anything?
And to think I actually possed you....
And why the hell would a newbie show up on a site like this and immediately start calling one of the advanced members a pedophile?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 29 2008, 06:43 PM)
What the hell does that have to do with anything?
And to think I actually possed you....


Well, you can be the catcher if you want, but I'm always the pitcher! So go poss yourself!
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And why the hell would a newbie show up on a site like this and immediately start calling one of the advanced members a pedophile?

Cuz I am who I am and not who you think I am!
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Mar 29 2008, 01:46 PM)
Cuz I am who I am and not who you think I am!

Why do I get the feeling there's suppose to be some "hidden message" in that?
Moomin
Hey BDW, caution is recommended - this idiot's got Thor's hammer in his undies ..... although it plainly seems he must of originally stored it in his skull, judging by its severely brain pulverised posts.

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BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (Moomin+Mar 29 2008, 02:14 PM)
Hey BDW, caution is recommended - this idiot's got Thor's hammer in his undies ..... although it plainly seems he must of originally stored it in his skull, judging by its severely brain pulverised posts.

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He's funny, though.
I wonder if he's funny in more than one sense? He DID take me noting that I possed him as a sexual offer....
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 29 2008, 07:22 PM)
He DID take me noting that I possed him as a sexual offer....

I'd just as soon masturbate.
I'm not trying to piss anyone off, I'm just being goofy. This thread seems like it's meant to be goofy, else why would anyone start it with a poll that asks if it's possible to do something that's already been done?
Moomin
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 29 2008, 07:22 PM)
He's funny, though.
I wonder if he's funny in more than one sense? He DID take me noting that I possed him as a sexual offer....

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MjolnirPants
Oh, so now this thread's about how gay I am?
I see how it is. I make fun of ONE guy who's not an idiot (pretty damn smart guy, actually, from what I read) and I get picked by everyone. Yall suck.
DavidD
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Mar 29 2008, 05:54 PM)
That's funny. Cause I think MY balls are the key to understanding space and time, too.
Wanna learn more? biggrin.gif

sure, why not?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (DavidD+Mar 29 2008, 07:36 PM)
sure, why not?

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Because my question WAS a rhetorical sexual offer!
Ok, so now this guy is definitely gay, let's all make fun of him!
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (DavidD+Mar 29 2008, 02:36 PM)
sure, why not?

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EDIT: Dear god, Dubba D, but that was NOT the expected response.....

ROFLMAO
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DavidD


In my country and lots of over balls nothing to do with "eggs" laugh.gif
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (DavidD+Mar 29 2008, 02:44 PM)
In my country and lots of over balls nothing to do with "eggs" laugh.gif

Ya gotta watch those idioms.....
They'll sneak up on ya.
Like "Big Ray" in the prison showers. laugh.gif
DavidD
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Mar 29 2008, 07:22 PM)
This thread seems like it's meant to be goofy, else why would anyone start it with a poll that asks if it's possible to do something that's already been done?

Maybe you have at your home one QC? tongue.gif
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (DavidD+Mar 29 2008, 07:54 PM)
Maybe you have at your home one QC? tongue.gif

What, balls? I have two. But I carry them around with me, instead of leaving them at home. biggrin.gif

But seriously, do you not believe in Corvettes because you don't have one? What about laser-guided missiles? I'm pretty sure you ain't got one of those, so does that mean you don't believe they exist?
A scientific mind would not dispute the existence of quantum computers. Numerous labs have built them, numerous scientists have written papers on them, and their design stems from one of the most rigorously tested theories in physics! No serious scientific publications have disputed their existence, and there's no allegations of fraud against those scientists who have built them. In short, there's no reason to doubt them, unless they invalidate some idea that's important for you to believe in, such as a physical theory you came up with yourself, in the hopes of becoming the world's next Einstein.

And you misspelled rhetorical, even after the correct spelling of it was posted in this thread! laugh.gif
DavidD
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BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Mar 29 2008, 03:20 PM)
But seriously, do you not believe in Corvettes because you don't have one? What about laser-guided missiles? I'm pretty sure you ain't got one of those, so does that mean you don't believe they exist?
A scientific mind would not dispute the existence of quantum computers. Numerous labs have built them, numerous scientists have written papers on them, and their design stems from one of the most rigorously tested theories in physics! No serious scientific publications have disputed their existence, and there's no allegations of fraud against those scientists who have built them. In short, there's no reason to doubt them, unless they invalidate some idea that's important for you to believe in, such as a physical theory you came up with yourself, in the hopes of becoming the world's next Einstein.

And you misspelled rhetorical, even after the correct spelling of it was posted in this thread! laugh.gif

I'm startin to like this guy....
I see he's posted in dubba D's algebra thread, too, as well as the 0.9r thread.


Hey Dubba D, whassamatta? Are you not going to respond to MP's point?
DavidD
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 29 2008, 08:41 PM)
I'm startin to like this guy....
I see he's posted in dubba D's algebra thread, too, as well as the 0.9r thread.


Hey Dubba D, whassamatta? Are you not going to respond to MP's point?

I everything response in this thread http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtopic=20621 . I don't understand how you are so stupid and don't see anything yet? This don't make me motivation to response anymore.
DavidD
Why there is scepticism if quantum computer was doen? laugh.gif laugh.gif laugh.gif blink.gif
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0311039
http://scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=266
scepticism about shevrolet cars doesn't exist that they aren't doen.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (DavidD+Mar 30 2008, 02:12 AM)
Why there is scepticism if quantum computer was doen? laugh.gif  laugh.gif  laugh.gif blink.gif
http://arxiv.org/abs/quant-ph/0311039
http://scottaaronson.com/blog/?p=266
scepticism about shevrolet cars doesn't exist that they aren't doen.

From your first link...
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Several researchers, including Leonid Levin, Gerard 't Hooft, and Stephen Wolfram, have argued that quantum mechanics will break down before the factoring of large numbers becomes possible. If this is true, then there should be a natural set of quantum states that can account for all experiments performed to date, but not for Shor's factoring algorithm.

I've bolded the relevant portions. As you can clearly see, the skepticism is not about the EXISTENCE of quantum computing, but about the POTENTIAL ABILITIES of quantum computing to factor large number.

From the profile of the author of your second link:
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Several researchers, including Leonid Levin, Gerard 't Hooft, and Stephen Wolfram, have argued that quantum mechanics will break down before the factoring of large numbers becomes possible. If this is true, then there should be a natural set of quantum states that can account for all experiments performed to date, but not for Shor's factoring algorithm.

I've bolded the relevant portions. As you can clearly see, the skepticism is not about the EXISTENCE of quantum computing, but about the POTENTIAL ABILITIES of quantum computing to factor large number.

From the profile of the author of your second link:
My research interests center around the limitations of quantum computers, and computational complexity theory more generally.

Directly from your second link:
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Let’s instead focus on the question: did D-Wave actually build a quantum computer? Well, they apparently built a device with 16 very noisy superconducting quantum bits (or qubits), which they say they’ve used to help solve extremely small Sudoku puzzles.

The trouble is, we’ve known for years that if qubits are sufficiently noisy — if they leak a sufficient amount of information into their environment — then they behave essentially like classical bits. Furthermore, D-Wave has refused to answer extremely basic technical questions about how high their noise rates are and so forth — they care about serving their customers, not answering nosy questions from academics. (Recently D-Wave founder Geordie Rose offered to answer my questions if I was interested in buying one of his machines. I replied that I was interested — my offer was $10 US — and I now await his answers as a prospective customer.)

To make a long story short, it’s consistent with the evidence that what D-Wave actually built would best be described as a 16-bit classical computer. I don’t mean 16 bits in terms of the architecture; I mean sixteen actual bits. And there’s some prior art for that.

As can clearly be seen, this article is about the limitations of quantum computers in general, and specifically about the dishonesty of one company.
In fact, the author then goes on to describe the function of quantum computing in great (relative) detail. Why would someone who does not believe quantum computers exist go to such lengths as did the author of this page to describe them accurately? He dispelled common misconceptions, explained the processes involved....
Your own links disprove you Dubba D. There's no scientific consensus that quantum computers don't exist. There's skepticism, yes. Primarily concerned with the limitations of quantum computers, however. Skepticism is a major component of the scientific method.
DavidD
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I've bolded the relevant portions. As you can clearly see, the skepticism is not about the EXISTENCE of quantum computing, but about the POTENTIAL ABILITIES of quantum computing to factor large number.

Yes, but this is don't mean that quantum computer exist. They just talking about many/all posible variants.
DavidD
You can believe what you want dumbbig wierdo, but if you will read that gay blog then you will find, that he saying that current is impisible to (any, even very small) establish quantumness for such small number of qubits. In fact all current quantum computer working without entanglement like I posted tens posts about this, but you still don't see laugh.gif blink.gif
Sapo
Like beating your head against a stone wall. Jesus H. Christ in a sidecar!

Obviously, a negative IQ is possible. blink.gif
DavidD
QUOTE (Sapo+Apr 2 2008, 07:07 PM)
Like beating your head against a stone wall. Jesus H. Christ in a sidecar!

Obviously, a negative IQ is possible. blink.gif

but negative stupidity too. tongue.gif cool.gif
TheDoc
QUOTE (DavidD+Apr 2 2008, 07:23 PM)
but negative stupidity too. tongue.gif cool.gif

Oh, but of course - you are proof of that.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (DavidD+Apr 2 2008, 02:02 PM)
Yes, but this is don't mean that quantum computer exist.

I didn't claim that your link proved they exist. You claimed it proved that there are serious scientists out there who strongly and vocally doubt their very existence.
I pointed out that it didn't.

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...if you will read that gay blog...

So now that you know it doesn't say what you thought it said, it's gay? YOU linked to it.
As for your other claims in the same post in which you said this? You're apparently still not understanding what that blog actually says.
Good Elf
Hi All,

I am not sure what you are on about but certain types of quantum computing is commercially available right now even while development in various technologies proceeds. As far as I am aware there are no individual "insoluble" technical impediments currently outstanding in the development of a full scale quantum computing machine. The biggest problem is the development of a truly viable technology to solve the end-to-end fabrication problem in the best technical way.
Physicists perform the first ever quantum calculation
Actually this level of problem solving was preceded by even simple "quantum computing devices" that actually work. They are not truly general purpose devices.

NASA backs quantum computing demonstration
http://www.dwavesys.com/
These are specific problem solving modules that employ quantum computing devices - commercial access available now. A 28 qubit quantum computer is available right now and to be truly useful a several hundred qubit computer is required to solve the more testing problems... Maybe several thousands of qubits will be fabricated quite soon for restricted function high priority projects (like breaking encryption or solving complex weather models).

Of course a general purpose quantum computer will require a bit more further work but the principles are well established and it is a 'given" that sometime soon there will be a full scale large qubit machine capable of solving some pretty tough problems. Do not expect one on your desk real soon... if ever. They are "not for you". tongue.gif Capeci!

Cheers
DavidD
Good elfe you protecting each stupid thing, even if it stupidity is 10^1000 and you or don't unsestand and don't know much about quantum computer or just like to protect each manshit, which comes out from sciencist as.

dumbweirdo, limitations in sciencies means also imposibilty theme...
How you will explain, that quantum computer or more precisly NMR quantum computing working without entanglement? This is fact like day and night.
But I see that there is people or only very optimistic or very dumb.
Good Elf
Hi DavidD,

QUOTE (DavidD+)
Good elfe you protecting each stupid thing, even if it stupidity is 10^1000 and you or don't unsestand and don't know much about quantum computer or just like to protect each manshit, which comes out from sciencist as.

dumbweirdo, limitations in sciencies means also imposibilty theme...
How you will explain, that quantum computer or more precisly NMR quantum computing working without entanglement? This is fact like day and night.
But I see that there is people or only very optimistic or very dumb.

I don't quote BigDumbWeirdo, I am quoting NASA. Where are your "citations" for making such wild statements about these outsourced "opinions". blink.gif ???

You need to organize your "facts" into some kind of coherent argument not flay about with emotionally driven beliefs. As far as I can see (and I am tertiary qualified in computing software and hardware and I am a Physicist... just a couple of years out of date now) D-Waves Approach is a way to manage/manipulate quantum states in qubits. The specific technology implemented is not that important. What is important is the stable resonant states reflect the interaction between the qubits in the system. A QC is a multistate machine that utilizes qubits (your comments that you are posting speak only of "bits"... QC's do not use "bits"). The states are entangled and that is how it works. It does not need to use photon entanglement. All of this is happening at a very low temperature and it not intended for use on a desktop. In fact it is specifically not intended to be used outside the Laboratory. In this regard it is theoretically so quick to complete the specialized calculations that the delays due to the internet are insignificant compared with trying to solve these problems in a more conventional ways using supercomputers. Essentially the underlying physics is the same and the technology is producing the same result that a more technologically advanced QC would produce. The quantum states being manipulated are physically "macroscopic" ... so what? The first digital computers were "monsters" but compared with the mechanical calculators that preceded them they were "blindingly fast".

The existence of QC's threatens conventional supremacy in digital systems. In fact "supercomputers" may not seem so "super" if even these primitive QC's are implemented with sufficient qubits. That appears to be only a scaling problem at present. That is what you are probably worried about isn't it? Some industries will be impacted on as a result. That is why the D-Wave device commissioned by NASA was built in Canada to avoid some of the vested commercial and political interests in the US which do not want this "progress" at this time. I would point out there are some pressing problems that need solutions right now that will critically affect the future of the Earth and these problems are more important than the issue of amassing personal wealth for the few. If you care to search the web you may find some interesting US Defense briefing documents related to the technological impact of QC's and the establishment's desire to "control" their introduction... perhaps "postpone" it for quite a while. I would also like to say that there are other technologies that are developing right now that some industrialists find commercially "unwelcome" too. These sciences are not unknown in other countries and there is no holding back developments anymore. Someone will make an "excellent" Quantum Computer soon. Microminiaturization is not necessarily required for success. The "prize" is for the first not the best.

Cheers
DavidD
I just want that you would say: "NMR quantum computer don't using entanglement" to don't waste my time repeating this fact.

D-wave quantum computer is bullshit like say nad saying Sciencist in his blog, which write about scepticism of quantum computers. D-wave quantum computer don't have proves about entanglement between qubits. And they don't have any prove that it is quantum computer.
They just doing the same story, which made IBM with they not quantum computer, but press and tricks made it sounds like quantum.
D-wave making many, maybe science, Canada goverment don't wanna be not suporting and bad, so suport. NASA understand about quantum computer no more than TheDoc. Investors making adverstimeta to them.
D-wave single qubit decoherence time is shorter than single operation on qubit, but they still proving with some unusual tricks, that they quantum computer is quantum. And everybody hapy, like with nuclear fusion.
And you very poorly know about quantum computers, becouse don't post such a long time ago debunked issues.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (DavidD+Apr 3 2008, 06:54 AM)
dumbweirdo, limitations in sciencies means also imposibilty theme...

That's just like saying "Since you can't jump to the moon, you can't jump at all." and it's so far beyond stupid that I wish I'd never possed you for laughing at yourself a few days ago. In fact, I'm fairly certain that that level of stupidity is enough to prevent me from ever possing you again.
Truly stupid.
Utterly idiotic.
Insanely wrong.
DavidD
Sciencist giving to you iliusion and you taking it. Smart people see that quantum computer don't exist and sciecists saying about it from moment to moment, but such persons like you more love iliusion. Facts flying everywhere around that quantum computer simulator NMR don't using entanglement - all curent "quantum computers" don't using entanglement, but dumb big weirdo still believe in entanglement and believe that maybe DavidD don't know everything and thus maybe exist some big or dumb chance that quantum computer was doen realbaly with entanglement and weirdo inspired by this pulling claim that DevidD is more dumb than he. But he is too lazy to search information and better like to live in his iliusions from optimistic press and over optimists (not sciencists).
rmuldavin
D-Wave appears to be a company now 2008 working on QC.

http://www.dwavesys.com/index.php?page=quantum-computing

D-Wave, QC

Quantum Computing

Quantum computers (QCs) use quantum mechanics (QM), the rules that underlie the behavior of all matter and energy, to accelerate computation. It has been known for some time that once some simple features of QM are harnessed, machines will be built capable of outperforming any conceivable conventional supercomputer.

QCs are not just faster than conventional computers. They change what computer scientists call the computational scaling of many problems.

In 1936, mathematician Alan Turing published a famous paper that addressed the problem of computability. His thesis was that all computers were equivalent, and could all be simulated by each other. By extension, a problem was either computable or not, regardless of what computer it was run on. This paper led to the concept of the Universal Turing Machine, an idealized model of a computer to which all computers are equivalent.

We now know that Turing was only partially correct. Not all computers are equivalent. His work was based on an assumption — that computation and information were abstract entities, divorced from the rules of physics governing the behavior of the computer itself.

One of the most important developments in modern science is the realization that information (and computation) can never exist in the abstract. Information is always tied to the physical stuff upon which it is written. What is possible to compute is completely determined by the rules of physics.

Turing's work, and conventional computer science, are only valid if a computer obeys the rules of Newtonian physics — the set of rules that apply to large and hot things, like baseballs and humans. If elements of a computer behave according to different rules, such as the rules of QM, this assumption fails and many very interesting possibilities emerge.

As an example, consider the modeling of a nanosized structure, such as a drug molecule, using conventional (i.e., non-quantum) computers. Solving the Schrodinger Equation (SE), the fundamental description of matter at the QM level, more than doubles in difficulty for every electron in the molecule. This is called exponential scaling, and prohibits solution of the SE for systems greater than about 30 electrons. A single caffeine molecule has more than 100 electrons, making it roughly 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000 times harder to solve than a 30-electron system, which itself makes even high-end supercomputers choke.

This restriction makes first-principles modeling of molecular structures impossible, and has historically defined the boundary between physics (where the SE can be solved by brute force) and chemistry (where it cannot, and empirical modeling and human creativity must take over).

Quantum computers are capable of solving the SE with linear scaling exponentially faster and with exponentially less hardware than conventional computers. For a QC, the difficulty in solving the SE increases by a small, fixed amount for every electron in a system. Even very primitive QCs will be able to outperform supercomputers in simulating nature.

Even more significant, as QC technology matures, systems containing hundreds, thousands, even millions of electrons will be able to be modeled by the direct, brute force solution of the SE. This means that the fundamental equations of nature will be solvable for all nanoscale systems, with no approximations and no fudge factors. Results of these virtual reality simulations will be indistinguishable from what is seen in the real world, assuming that QM is an accurate picture of nature.

This type of simulation, by direct solution of the fundamental laws of nature, will become the backbone of engineering design in the nanotech regime where quantum mechanics reigns.

© 2008 D-Wave Systems, Inc.

[comments/rm: fast moving with the pitches, maybe slower developing, molecular quantum computing, goes on for proteins, prions made of proteins that infect, researchers have near dozens of mutations under study, forming nets of many basic parts, next to life forms at border between chemical and cellular.

Brain structures can be invaded, co-evolutionary struggle so far we are still here, drop outs not.

Best, rmuldavin
rmuldavin
To add to the confusion, may ways to solve a compute choke.

D-Wavesys.com: Ok, you web page "legal" stated if I commented at your web sight, any comments become your property.

I think you people are locking ourselves out of the action.

Consider your statement posted above:

{{ A single caffeine molecule has more than 100 electrons, making it roughly 100,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000, 000,000,000,000,000 times harder to solve than a 30-electron system, which itself makes even high-end supercomputers choke.}}.

That's 10 to the 18th power.

Using social grams: L(n)=n(n-1)/2

For N=100, L(100)=(100)x(99)/2 and L(30)=30x(29)/2.

The ratio, roughly of L(100)/L(30)= (100/99)/(30/29)=... wait, the electrons are moving around a 3-D structure, electrons themselves are triplet 1/3 charge vertex triangles, the molecular structure, ... better shift to powers of three for 3-D structure, so if I understand, the below report:

"Quantum Phase Extraction in Iso-spectral Electronic Nano-structures", 8 February 2008 Vol. 319, Science www.sciencemag.org

there are CO molecules on CU(111) surface, basic units are equal lateral triangle divided into two parts, an altitude separated them. , see Fig. 3.

End of page 783 states (I type this in):

{{The most basic know planar isopectrual domains (ref. 11) are nine-sided polygons previously termed "Bilby" and "Hawk" (ref 24). Each is a polyform composed of seven identical triangles and created vis a specific series of reflections, [age 784] such that every angle is the mirror image of its neighbors. Because there is proven flexibilty in choice of interior angles for the base triangle (ref 18) and the Cu(111) surface is a close-packed triangular lattice, we choose tilings based on the 30 degree, -60 degree, -90 degree triangle....}}

Not sure of what is happening, but the folding along the altitudes of the regular triangles, is a 3-fold, so lets take the 10^18 to the sixth root (2x3), then we get ten to the third to the sixth, that gives the 18 th power.

Pass on this one.

Best, rmuldavin
DavidD
Protein folding and quantum simulation in some sorces is unproven fake.
Protein folds by encoded gene information (and maybe not always to "optimal" state"...).
rmuldavin
Matchmaker, Oh Matchmaker,
make mirror match,
asymmetry may reveal,
linearly stacked threes,
memory shows motion,
strung along one-by-one
counting on something.

Media does educate,
I'd off half-baked,
complexities living make,
dependency gets rewards,
lay-down our swords,
attention to cures,
poetry will endure.

http://www.crystalmaker.com/

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BaTiO3 Perovskite

Tetragonal phase: each titanium atom is bonded to six nearest-neighbour oxygen atoms, but is not exactly in the centre of an O6 octahedron. This offset means that tetragonal BaTiO3 is ferroelectric. The electrical polarisation may be reversed by applying an external electric field.

Single crystals of BaTiO3 generally contain many domains, corresponding to different directions of Ti off-centring. The net effect of the different domain orientations is to cancel out any macroscopic polarisation.
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Berlinite, AlPO4

Berlinite is isostructural with aluminium arsenate, AlAsO4 and gallium arsenate, GaAsO4. The structure is similar to that of quartz, but with a double "c" dimension.

Crystal structure data from Wyckoff, Crystal Structures - Vol. 3, page 31 (John Wiley, New York).
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Biotite Mica, K2(Mg,Fe)6Si6Al2O20(OH)4

Biotite is an important trioctahedral (= octahedral sheets with full site occupancies) mica. It has a wider occurrence than any other mica: in metamorphic rocks, and in igneous rocks (especially granites and pegmatites).

The crystal structure of biotite consists of trioctahedral sheets (all octahedral sites filled) containing Mg and Fe, sandwiched between silicate sheets. The layers are held together by KO6 octahedra.

Crystal structure data from:

Bohlen, S.R., Peacor, D.R., and Essene, E.J. (1980) Crystal chemistry of a metamorphic biotite and its significance in water barometry. American Mineralogist, 65, 55–62.
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Benzene molecule inside a large channel of the zeolite ZK5 structure.

This is a straightforward example of the Place Molecule command:-

• I started with the zeolite crystal structure
• converted this to a molecule (Transform > Crystal to Molecule)
• Used the File > Place Molecule command to insert the benzene structure.
• Used the arrow tool to move the (selected) molecule into position.

(Synthetic zeolite, ZK-5, Na30 Al30 Si66 O192 . 98H2O.Crystal structure from: Wyckoff, 1960, Crystal Stuctures, Vol. 4)

[comments-rm: the author placed a benzene inside eight sided ring of tetrahedrons joined along their an edge.
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[comments-rm: Above words from http://www.crystalmaker.com/
so I downloaded the software, and have check out 3-D rotations for a wide range of models: here for a poster:

Caffeine, C8H10N4O2

A caffeine molecule superimosed over a background picture (use the "Background" pane of the Model Options window to adjust background settings).
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[comments-rm: for Mac OS:

http://www.crystalmaker.com/

http://www.totallyhip.com/components/qssp/download/

Best, rmuldavin

rmuldavin
[Comments]: {{Replying to Do Quantum Computer Is Possible?}}

If you take molecules of all sorts,
with the individual atoms (entangled or not),
read

INVARIANT VARIATION PROBLEMS
Emmy Noether

[circa 1918]

http://www.physics.ucla.edu/~cwp/articles/...sh/mort186.html

[comments: This is an English translation by M.A. Travel provided by the Travel and Henry M. Payner. I appears as a photo of a typed manuscript, my ibook hasn't the software to duplicate page by page the typed translation, but can do page at a time, thus giving readable multiple pages. Have not yet of how many pages photographed essay has, but reading on the way.

I type out the ABSTRACT]:

{{The problems in variation here concerned are such as to admit a continuous group (in Lie's sense); the conclusions that emerge for the corresponding differential evaluations find their most general expression in the theorems formulated in Section I and proved in the following sections. Concerning these differential equations that arise from problems of variation, far more precise statements can be made than about arbitrary differential equations admitting of a group, which are the subject of Lie's researches. What is to follow, therefore, represents a combination of the methods of the formal calculus of variations with those of Lie's group theory. For special groups and problems in variation, this combination of methods is not new; I may cite Hamel and Herglotz for special finite groups, Lorentz and his pupils (for instance Fokker), Weyl and Klein for special infinite groups. 1 Especially Klein's second Note and the present developments have been mutually influenced by each other, in which regards I may refer to the concluding remarks of Klein's Note.
}}

Reading a bit of the history first has been interesting, even how Albert Einstein gives credit to Emmy Noether for the connections to General Relativity.

I'll report back what appears to be a solid link to the polyhedra as a ring within group theory, that matches the role attributed to molecular structures.

Yes quantum computers are here, can we humans add to our thinking earth friendly robots, can we save the Species before we loose our own?

Best, rmuldavin

Best, rmuldavi
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