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landon
It just does not add up why has there got to be electrons. It would make more sense if there were just proton and electrons. neutrons are not there

Two is company three is a crowd

Can you see electrons with a microscope
fivedoughnut
Your mother should have never put a laptop in your cot. mad.gif



Guest_Bastard
Wow landon you have deep scientific arguments there.
landon
Whats a labtop?
I live in a box.
Why three sub-atomic particles?
fivedoughnut
QUOTE (landon+Aug 9 2007, 04:54 AM)
Whats a labtop?
I live in a box.
Why three sub-atomic particles?

...... a white padded one no doubt ..... and your splendid designer pyjamas have a quaint buckle and strap theme right?


laugh.gif
landon
just like your mama's bedroom how you like
that

Really one of the three protons neutron or electrons can't exist
N O M
landon, just because you can't count as high as three isn't an argument.
socratus
QUOTE (landon+Aug 9 2007, 04:43 AM)
It just does not add up why has there got to be electrons.  It would make more sense if there were just proton and electrons.  neutrons are not there

Two is company three is a crowd

Can you see electrons with a microscope

I can understand these sentences as a wish to understand
what electron is .
If you want, try to read and understand my interpretation of electron.

============
A very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron?
=================
1. Physical parameters of an electron (mass, charge)
were discovered as a result of experiments.
2. Einstein, Bohr wrote down the energy of an electron
(in interaction with an atom) by the formula: E=hw.

3. In 1928 Dirac formulated the equation of an electron, (relativistic equation
of the electron) in such way that: E = (plus, minus) mc^2

4. Why does no one analyze theinterrelation between the energy
of Einstein/Bohr,s electron (E=hw) and energy of Dirac's electron
(E = (plus, minus)mc^2)
It means, that one electron has three (3) formulas of energy.
It means that an electron is really a very complex particle and according to Hertz
it is possible to say, that the formulas of an electron are cleverer than the man.
If somebody will try to explain why the electron has three (3) formulas,
please, recollect that an electron is not a firm figure.
An electron can change its own form depending on its speed.
It means that energy and form (together) of an electron depend on some
kind of movement. And it is impossible that an electron can change its form,
its energy but its charge will remain constant.
The electron can also change its charge.
This changes of an electron depend on its impulse.

5. In 1916 Sommerfeld discovered the formula of an electron.
The formula of electron is:

(e^2=hca)

But nowhere, in no textbook is the formula of electron written down in this way.
Why?
Nobody can understand what sense of constants in Sommerfeld's
formula of the electron is.
The formula of Sommerfeld,s electron consists of three constants:

1. h=h/2pi (impulse of Goudsmit-Uhlenbeck)
2. c (speed of quantum of light)
3. a ( coefficient of constant thin structure.)

The existence of this extremely important fundamental dimensionless
constant remained unexplained until now. And this quantity determines
a condition of an electron It means, that diverse physical and chemical
properties of substances In many respects are determined by this quantity.
This constant remained unknown in modern physics and in Feynman,s expression , which he said with humour that this quantity is
" by the god given damnation to all physicists ".
We know how whole Universe was created from the first second
( from big bang , of course). But on simple question :
“ What is an electron?”, “ What is a formula of an electron?”
we don’t have an answer.
==========
Electron / light quantum is one particle.
1.
Into Maxwell's equations the density of a electron and
speed of light quantum simultaneously enter.
How they are interconnected?
2.
SRT has grown from Maxwell's theory that is
electron should enter into SRT.
As ruler of measurement in SRT the quantum of light serves.
How they are interconnected?
3.
Everybody know, that an electron is not a firm sphere.
Everybody know, that its form can be changed.
But nobody understands the borders of the change
of the geometrical form of the electron.
So, what are the borders of this change?
Quantum theory gives an answer to this question.
It says that at the interaction of the electron with the vacuum,
the energy and mass of the electron become infinite.
Physics does not understand what to do with infinite sizes
and therefore have thought up "a method of renormalization", a method
"to sweep the dust under the carpet" / Feynman./
This method is abstract.
But the situation can be understood another way.
Electrons, having the geometrical form of a sphere,
lose their volume (density) and turn into an indefinitely flat circle.
In this is the reason for the occurrence of infinite sizes for the electron.
But in physics we know only one particle which has the form of a flat circle.
It is a quantum of light which flies rectilinearly with speed c= 1.
Therefore, the electron turns into a quantum of light.
Therefore, the electron and /or a quantum of light
is the same particle in different states.
4.
It is proved, when electron leaves atom, its electric field changes.
The spherical field will be transformed to an ellipse field.
And in process of his removal the ellipse field is more and more extended.
And in a limit (at the moment of breaking-off )
the electron gets the form of a string. (String theory).
Therefore, electron can have the different geometrical forms:
circle, ellipse, sphere , string.
5.
In the books it is written, that electrons interact among themselves with the help
of a quantum of light. In the books it is written that an electron in an atom passing
from one orbit to another radiates a quantum of light.
It should be understood as follows.
The electron has a quantum of light in a "pocket" or under a "shirt"
which it gives freedom from time to time.
Why is it necessary for the electron to hide a quantum of light?
It is Interesting, what feeling tests electron when
it carries on itself a light quantum?
6.
Electron is a particle and wave simultaneously ,
because it can change its parameters.
Quantum of light is a particle and wave simultaneously.
Can be and the quantum of light is also capable to change?
In the book " Isaac Newton " Soviet academician
S. I. Vavilov wrote:
" For photons with extremely fast fluctuations,
superior the certain meaning, on experience is observed
the remarkable phenomenon of transformation
them in … …electron.
Undoubtedly as well return process. "
===============
What is the electron?
========
Robert Milliken, who measured the electron's charge,
in his Nobel speech ( 1923) said that he knew nothing
about the “last essence of the electron”.
============
Maxwell's theory / SRT doesn't exist without the electron.
The electron is the main and single hero in Maxwell's theory and SRT.

A. What does the electron do in Maxwell's theory?

Maxwell's equations have no relation to the movement of the electron.
They describe the distribution of electromagnetic waves but
not the movement of a particle such as an electron. In Maxwell's theory,
the electron is considered local, as though the particle is "at rest".

This means that the particle does not move rectilinearly, but rotates
around the diameter (has the form of a sphere- geoid).
The electron rotates around its diameter with a speed greater than c=1
- Tachion theory.

Therefore:
1.The electron has an electrical charge e =±v(hca)1/2
2. This electron /charge has energy E = hw
3. The rotation of the electron creates electrical waves

But everybody knows, that an electron is not a solid sphere.
Everybody knows, that its form can be changed and these
changes are described by SRT.

B. What does the electron do in SRT ?
At the beginning of the last century many scientists
(Einstein, Lorents, Fitzgerald, Poincare, Abraham) were interested in the question: "What will take place, if the electron (Maxwell's), creating an electrical field, begins to move - rectilinearly?" All of them came to the conclusion that there would be radical changes with the electron. These changes are described by the Lorentz transformations. That is, when the originally rotating electron (sphere) begins to move rectilinearly, during movement it gradually will change its geometrical form.

But nobody understands the borders of the electron,s changes.
So, what are the borders of this change? Quantum theory gives an answer
to this question. It says that at the interaction of the electron with the vacuum,
his energy and mass become infinite. Physicists do not understand what to do with infinite sizes, and therefore they have invented "a method of renormalization", a method "to sweep the dust under the carpet" - Feynman.
This method is abstract.

The situation can be understood in another way.
Electrons, having the geometrical form of a sphere, lose their volume
and turned into an indefinitely flat circle. In this way infinite sizes
of the electron occur. But in physics we know only one particle
which has the form of a flat circle. It is a quantum of light, which flies
rectilinearly with the speed c= 1. Therefore, the electron can turns
only into a quantum of light. That is why, the electron and /or a quantum
of light is the same particle in different states.

It is proven, when electron leaves atom its electric field changes. The spherical field will be transformed to an ellipse field. And in process of its removal, the elliptical field is more and more extended. And in a limit (at the moment of breaking-off ) the electron has the form of a string. - String theory. Therefore, electron can have the different geometrical forms: circle, sphere and string.

In the books it is written that electrons interact among themselves with the help of a quantum of light. In the books it is written that an electron in an atom passing from one orbit to another radiates a quantum of light. It should be understood as follows. The electron has a quantum of light in a “pocket” or under a "shirt" which it gives freedom from time to time. Why is it necessary for the electron to hide a quantum of light?
========
Socratus.




Gizmo
Seriously, landon, just ignore any members of the "Forum Mafia". Idiots, to be honest. N O M or fivedoughnut is probably going to swear to kill me in their next post, but there you go...

- Gizmo smile.gif
Gizmo
Actually, though, landon, it is true that you have no argument here.

Electrons - Negatively charged particles, yes?
Protons - Positively charged particles, right?
Neutrons- uncharged particles - holds the nucleus together, yeah?

Without electrons/protons, we would have no electricity. Without neutrons, an atom would blow itself apart.

Hope this helps tongue.gif

- Gizmo smile.gif
Cédric H.
===

It's hard to understand science ( as a whole set of theories ) ... even more to improve it.

So how could you look smart ?

Ho, I get it: you argue that a well estabilished theory is all wrong and you came with your new theory.

If people don't trust it you could say something like " everything is possible ... prove me wrong ".

====

I think that's the leitmotif of many people in this forum sad.gif
Gizmo
Cedric H,

It is an annoying waste of time to go around saying "blah, blah, blah. Prove me wrong." People go around with all sorts of theories that are completely impossible to prove or disprove, and say "prove me wrong".

- Gizmo smile.gif
Cédric H.
Sorry I'm french speaking and I'm not very clear in English .

What I wrote between === is what I think some people think ; but as I said, I'm not clear wink.gif
yor_on
socratus A very interesting article from you :)

But how do you se the concept of restmass then?
If the electron and the photon are the same thing?
As far as ' renormalization ' goes, what do you see as a better approach?
Or do you see it as being 'fixed' by attributing the same qualities to photons and electrons?

' Electrons, having the geometrical form of a sphere, lose their volume
and turned into an indefinitely flat circle. In this way infinite sizes
of the electron occur. But in physics we know only one particle
which has the form of a flat circle. It is a quantum of light, '

This sounds a little, ah? Strange :) Are you giving the electron only one dimension? Or two? And are you stating that a photon is the same???
Its new concepts for me, give us the rest of it man ::))
N O M
QUOTE (Gizmo+Aug 10 2007, 04:12 AM)
Seriously, landon, just ignore any members of the "Forum Mafia". Idiots, to be honest. N O M or fivedoughnut is probably going to swear to kill me in their next post, but there you go...

Hey! I've only ever given you one death threat, I think unsure.gif

I was joking then wink.gif Honest. rolleyes.gif


Seriously though, I've had five different users promise to maim or kill me so far this year. ph34r.gif Can't think why laugh.gif
landon
light = electron this keeps protons and neutrons contained

Wait, why can't an electron be the static given off from the friction of the proton and neutron.

yes light and electricity are the same atom are made of protons and neutrons with electrical energy.

friction = light = electron.

If anyone can see this or not let me know.
yor_on
Tandon? light = electron.
You're sure?? This brings a new light to the situation :)
s0cratus
QUOTE (yor_on+Aug 9 2007, 08:46 PM)
socratus A very interesting article from you smile.gif

But how do you se the concept of restmass then?
If the electron and the photon are the same thing?
As far as ' renormalization ' goes, what do you see as a better approach?
Or do you see it as being 'fixed' by attributing the same qualities to photons and electrons?

' Electrons, having the geometrical form of a sphere, lose their volume
and turned into an indefinitely flat circle. In this way infinite sizes
of the electron occur. But in physics we know only one particle
which has the form of a flat circle. It is a quantum of light, '

This sounds a little, ah? Strange smile.gif Are you giving the electron only one dimension? Or two? And are you stating that a photon is the same???
Its new concepts for me, give us the rest of it man :smile.gif)

1.
Quantum Theory says mass increases with speed increase
and becomes infinite when a mass reaches speed of light.
Which is against the
“law of conservation and transformation energy/mass”.
We know photons have mass, and they travel at speed c=1 .
Does there mass reach infinite? No.
2.
Quantum theory says that at the interaction of the electron with
the vacuum, the energy and mass of the electron become infinite.
Which is against the
“law of conservation and transformation energy/mass”.
3.
The Soviet/Russian academic S. Vavilov suggested an
interesting idea. In his book ' Isaac Newton' he wrote.
The force, according to the Newton’s Second Law,
is equal to : F= ma.
This force is possible to consider as absolute independent
quantity - impulse. When in case with light quanta
the impulse is equal to: mc.
He continued.
Let us now imagine that light quanta falls on a black body,
and it absolutely absorbs this light quanta
( it means light quanta stops).
Then, according to the Lebedev,s law, light quanta
renders pressure on the black body: E/c.
Therefore it is possible to write: mc=E/c.
It means that according to Classic physics the stopping
light quanta has not mass of rest equal to zero, but
it has potential energy/mass: M=E/c^2. (E=Mc^2).
=========================
Of course the potential energy/mass of light quanta
can transform in its kinetic energy.
====== =========
N O M
Reality calling landon. Hello, are you in?
s0cratus
Reality begins from Nothing.
Nothing is not Nothing because it has
one simple parameter: T=0K.
When people came to ask Reality what Is It,
IT tell them to study ITS particles .
But nobody study the T=0K particles... ......
.........
Gizmo
QUOTE (landon+Aug 9 2007, 10:52 PM)
light = electron this keeps protons and neutrons contained

Wait, why can't an electron be the static given off from the friction of the proton and neutron.

yes light and electricity are the same atom are made of protons and neutrons with electrical energy.

friction = light = electron.

If anyone can see this or not let me know.

Landon, seriously, you're making this up as you go along.
landon
We are lights end.

Then the end of light falls in a black hole.

Could we be the black hole

If we spin around the sun one way we could be spinning infinite directions and our mind and body can only see one.

How many radio frequencies are there who can count then.

We are every wavelength but show ourself through one.
landon
We are not made up of the same electrons particles were they never change.

light passes around atoms like electrons in the former model.

people 200 years ago did not live as long as we are living today. it is not because of medical resources it is because at night the only light was candle light night

Is aging the result of getting no sunlight or any kind of light to pass over atom whether it be in our body or in our Coffey cup.

Age is a result of no sunlight. exposure to oxygen with out any light passing the proton and the Newton which are holding themselves together

light or electron what ever you want to call it stops the oxidation or aging
that occur rs here on earth Like I said oxygen causes aging and mutations like cancer

we are the passing of light through the timeless and space less system of frequencies.

Some can not experience these frequencies as well as others.
Gizmo
QUOTE (landon+Aug 10 2007, 09:27 AM)
We are lights end.

What's that supposed to mean. Read up on Quantum Physics for a bit.

- Gizmo smile.gif
Zarabtul
If you don't believe electrons exist you're nutz...

Now I think more reasearch should be done into lower scale particles.

Since this is our current smallest.

If you want specific ideas of relationships then imagine in your head different planets in our system and then see the different moons, atmospheres, rings.
Gizmo
QUOTE (N O M+Aug 9 2007, 10:41 PM)
Hey! I've only ever given you one death threat, I think unsure.gif

Oh, that's all right then wink.gif
bm1957
QUOTE (Zarabtul+Aug 12 2007, 11:07 PM)
Since this is our current smallest.

Don't believe in Neutrinos? wink.gif
awie10007
QUOTE (socratus+Aug 9 2007, 01:56 PM)
I can understand these sentences as a wish to understand
what electron is .
If you want, try to read and understand my interpretation of electron.

============
A very simple question: What is the specific formula of the electron?
=================
1. Physical parameters of an electron (mass, charge)
were discovered as a result of experiments.
2. Einstein, Bohr wrote down the energy of an electron
(in interaction with an atom) by the formula: E=hw.

3. In 1928 Dirac formulated the equation of an electron, (relativistic equation
of the electron) in such way that: E = (plus, minus) mc^2

4. Why does no one analyze theinterrelation between the energy
of Einstein/Bohr,s electron (E=hw) and energy of Dirac's electron
(E = (plus, minus)mc^2)
It means, that one electron has three (3) formulas of energy.
It means that an electron is really a very complex particle and according to Hertz
it is possible to say, that the formulas of an electron are cleverer than the man.
If somebody will try to explain why the electron has three (3) formulas,
please, recollect that an electron is not a firm figure.
An electron can change its own form depending on its speed.
It means that energy and form (together) of an electron depend on some
kind of movement. And it is impossible that an electron can change its form,
its energy but its charge will remain constant.
The electron can also change its charge.
This changes of an electron depend on its impulse.

5. In 1916 Sommerfeld discovered the formula of an electron.
The formula of electron is:

(e^2=hca)

But nowhere, in no textbook is the formula of electron written down in this way.
Why?
Nobody can understand what sense of constants in Sommerfeld's
formula of the electron is.
The formula of Sommerfeld,s electron consists of three constants:

1. h=h/2pi (impulse of Goudsmit-Uhlenbeck)
2. c (speed of quantum of light)
3. a ( coefficient of constant thin structure.)

The existence of this extremely important fundamental dimensionless
constant remained unexplained until now. And this quantity determines
a condition of an electron It means, that diverse physical and chemical
properties of substances In many respects are determined by this quantity.
This constant remained unknown in modern physics and in Feynman,s expression , which he said with humour that this quantity is
" by the god given damnation to all physicists ".
We know how whole Universe was created from the first second
( from big bang , of course). But on simple question :
“ What is an electron?”, “ What is a formula of an electron?”
we don’t have an answer.
==========
Electron / light quantum is one particle.
1.
Into Maxwell's equations the density of a electron and
speed of light quantum simultaneously enter.
How they are interconnected?
2.
SRT has grown from Maxwell's theory that is
electron should enter into SRT.
As ruler of measurement in SRT the quantum of light serves.
How they are interconnected?
3.
Everybody know, that an electron is not a firm sphere.
Everybody know, that its form can be changed.
But nobody understands the borders of the change
of the geometrical form of the electron.
So, what are the borders of this change?
Quantum theory gives an answer to this question.
It says that at the interaction of the electron with the vacuum,
the energy and mass of the electron become infinite.
Physics does not understand what to do with infinite sizes
and therefore have thought up "a method of renormalization", a method
"to sweep the dust under the carpet" / Feynman./
This method is abstract.
But the situation can be understood another way.
Electrons, having the geometrical form of a sphere,
lose their volume (density) and turn into an indefinitely flat circle.
In this is the reason for the occurrence of infinite sizes for the electron.
But in physics we know only one particle which has the form of a flat circle.
It is a quantum of light which flies rectilinearly with speed c= 1.
Therefore, the electron turns into a quantum of light.
Therefore, the electron and /or a quantum of light
is the same particle in different states.
4.
It is proved, when electron leaves atom, its electric field changes.
The spherical field will be transformed to an ellipse field.
And in process of his removal the ellipse field is more and more extended.
And in a limit (at the moment of breaking-off )
the electron gets the form of a string. (String theory).
Therefore, electron can have the different geometrical forms:
circle, ellipse, sphere , string.
5.
In the books it is written, that electrons interact among themselves with the help
of a quantum of light. In the books it is written that an electron in an atom passing
from one orbit to another radiates a quantum of light.
It should be understood as follows.
The electron has a quantum of light in a "pocket" or under a "shirt"
which it gives freedom from time to time.
Why is it necessary for the electron to hide a quantum of light?
It is Interesting, what feeling tests electron when
it carries on itself a light quantum?
6.
Electron is a particle and wave simultaneously ,
because it can change its parameters.
Quantum of light is a particle and wave simultaneously.
Can be and the quantum of light is also capable to change?
In the book " Isaac Newton " Soviet academician
S. I. Vavilov wrote:
" For photons with extremely fast fluctuations,
superior the certain meaning, on experience is observed
the remarkable phenomenon of transformation
them in … …electron.
Undoubtedly as well return process. "
===============
What is the electron?
========
Robert Milliken, who measured the electron's charge,
in his Nobel speech ( 1923) said that he knew nothing
about the “last essence of the electron”.
============
Maxwell's theory / SRT doesn't exist without the electron.
The electron is the main and single hero in Maxwell's theory and SRT.

A. What does the electron do in Maxwell's theory?

Maxwell's equations have no relation to the movement of the electron.
They describe the distribution of electromagnetic waves but
not the movement of a particle such as an electron. In Maxwell's theory,
the electron is considered local, as though the particle is "at rest".

This means that the particle does not move rectilinearly, but rotates
around the diameter (has the form of a sphere- geoid).
The electron rotates around its diameter with a speed greater than c=1
- Tachion theory.

Therefore:
1.The electron has an electrical charge e =±v(hca)1/2
2. This electron /charge has energy E = hw
3. The rotation of the electron creates electrical waves

But everybody knows, that an electron is not a solid sphere.
Everybody knows, that its form can be changed and these
changes are described by SRT.

B. What does the electron do in SRT ?
At the beginning of the last century many scientists
(Einstein, Lorents, Fitzgerald, Poincare, Abraham) were interested in the question: "What will take place, if the electron (Maxwell's), creating an electrical field, begins to move - rectilinearly?" All of them came to the conclusion that there would be radical changes with the electron. These changes are described by the Lorentz transformations. That is, when the originally rotating electron (sphere) begins to move rectilinearly, during movement it gradually will change its geometrical form.

But nobody understands the borders of the electron,s changes.
So, what are the borders of this change? Quantum theory gives an answer
to this question. It says that at the interaction of the electron with the vacuum,
his energy and mass become infinite. Physicists do not understand what to do with infinite sizes, and therefore they have invented "a method of renormalization", a method "to sweep the dust under the carpet" - Feynman.
This method is abstract.

The situation can be understood in another way.
Electrons, having the geometrical form of a sphere, lose their volume
and turned into an indefinitely flat circle. In this way infinite sizes
of the electron occur. But in physics we know only one particle
which has the form of a flat circle. It is a quantum of light, which flies
rectilinearly with the speed c= 1. Therefore, the electron can turns
only into a quantum of light. That is why, the electron and /or a quantum
of light is the same particle in different states.

It is proven, when electron leaves atom its electric field changes. The spherical field will be transformed to an ellipse field. And in process of its removal, the elliptical field is more and more extended. And in a limit (at the moment of breaking-off ) the electron has the form of a string. - String theory. Therefore, electron can have the different geometrical forms: circle, sphere and string.

In the books it is written that electrons interact among themselves with the help of a quantum of light. In the books it is written that an electron in an atom passing from one orbit to another radiates a quantum of light. It should be understood as follows. The electron has a quantum of light in a “pocket” or under a "shirt" which it gives freedom from time to time. Why is it necessary for the electron to hide a quantum of light?
========
Socratus.

Is electrical matter all you got from a electon the instument we use is not for
what u looking for.
NeoNo.1
This is a strange post... Yes we can observe electrons. And yes... Electrons must exist, according to all known theories of QM such as Quantum Electrodynamics, and further work by Dirac. Why would you ask whether electrons exist or not? Just wondering...
NeoNo.1
LearmSceince
QUOTE (NeoNo.1+Aug 23 2007, 11:58 AM)
This is a strange post... Yes we can observe electrons. And yes... Electrons must exist, according to all known theories of QM such as Quantum Electrodynamics, and further work by Dirac. Why would you ask whether electrons exist or not? Just wondering...
NeoNo.1

Because it's landon.

Just don't reply to his initial post when he starts a thread like that, and we'll all be a lot happier.
landon
the reaction of two atoms colliding at one point results in an electron flash. This flash hardly exist. There is no one single electron every, they disappear as soon as they appear.
Guest
What is an electron?

I wish Tesla was alive to see his dream, which was stolen from him, come true.

David Gross's first opening statement said it best, earlier this years at Strings 07.

"It's all string theory to me"

Yet all great discoveries and achievements have came from individuals with their own original ideas and intuition. Newton, Maxwell, Tesla, Bohr, Planck, Heisenberg, Einstein, Kaluza, Pauli, Dirac, Feynman.......

I have studied 'strings' as a career, my whole professional life, but my greatest achievements have came in Astrophysics, Fluid Dynamics, Theoretical Chemistry and finally Quantum Mechanics.

Kind Regards

Tesla's ghost.......

Gizmo
Having read landon's first post again, I noticed how inconsistent it was.

For those with bad memory, or those who don't want to read it (understandably):

QUOTE (landon+ first post (i.e. inconsistent rubbish))
It just does not add up why has there got to be electrons. It would make more sense if there were just proton and electrons. neutrons are not there

Two is company three is a crowd

Can you see electrons with a microscope


First landon states that electrons can't exist, then that neutrons can't exist.

huh.gif blink.gif

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NeoNo.1
laugh.gif
I never even noticed that!
biggrin.gif
LeTUOtter
The amount of things that are "inconsistent" (at best) about landon are staggering, even to the minds assembled on these forums. It's easy to miss the lunacy for all the typos and garbled meaning.
doom3million
What if all matter is an illusion?

Wait, David Copperfield creates illusions.

Maybe David Copperfield created all matter?

This proves the existence of parallel universes.
Gizmo
QUOTE (doom3million+Aug 29 2007, 01:31 AM)
What if all matter is an illusion?

Wait, David Copperfield creates illusions.

Maybe David Copperfield created all matter?

This proves the existence of parallel universes.

Does it? blink.gif

Confused...!
Sphinx
Lets not forget about the anti particles! Antinuetrinos, positrons, etc...
Sentient Marine
But really landon is right the electron is a freak. First it moves in a cloud at greater speed than a particle could under the laws of physics.
It has never been photographed.
If unified theory was to work either quantum forces need to be much smaller.
Or if unified theory was to work relativity needs to have gravity much stronger.

So what is a breeze a small movement of wind.
It is not the full air pressure.
So now if all we measured was the breeze then the full pressure of gravity must hold everything together.
Bingo unified theory.

Ah but what about the metric (shape of) space ... well Twister by Roger Penrose works, even explains the great attractor.

Anyway that is my two cents worth, that and this:-
In special relativity you are "not allowed to look" at photons experiencing time.
So is it throwing the baby out with the bathwater, no.
The baby is mid nineties and should be in a nursing home if anywhere.
Best recheck the bathtub because all it is holding is bathwater!
LeTUOtter
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So what is a breeze a small movement of wind.
It is not the full air pressure.
So now if all we measured was the breeze then the full pressure of gravity must hold everything together.
Bingo unified theory.

If it were seriously that simple, we'd already have a theory finished.

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So what is a breeze a small movement of wind.
It is not the full air pressure.
So now if all we measured was the breeze then the full pressure of gravity must hold everything together.
Bingo unified theory.

If it were seriously that simple, we'd already have a theory finished.

Anyway that is my two cents worth, that and this:-
In special relativity you are "not allowed to look" at photons experiencing time.
So is it throwing the baby out with the bathwater, no.
The baby is mid nineties and should be in a nursing home if anywhere.
Best recheck the bathtub because all it is holding is bathwater!

What the hell are you talking about?! huh.gif You and landon should have a barbeque. You can try and convince each other that the grill you're cooking on doesn't exist. rolleyes.gif
NeoNo.1
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Sentient Marine
QUOTE (LeTUOtter+Sep 10 2007, 09:18 PM)
If it were seriously that simple, we'd already have a theory finished.


What the hell are you talking about?! huh.gif You and landon should have a barbeque. You can try and convince each other that the grill you're cooking on doesn't exist. rolleyes.gif

The shape of quantum is six dimensions into the microscopic world. Twister theory is also based on Lorentz which is a six dimensional construct.
The math is ds^2=x^2 + y^2
That is for a two co-ordinate system a circle examined by the second derivative describes all points within the cone. If it were a 'Monet' it would be the equivalent to looking behind the haystacks in his paintings.

It would mean that all of space is traveling in rivers of gravity and that our only connection directly is to the great attractor, which is our opposite. It poses some problems as like quantum the unrestricted Lorentz set allows for situations of time reversal. At least it brings it more into line with left click experiments.

Metaphysics, no but it would go a long way to actually defining metaphysics back to the astrologers, now think how much fun that would be. blink.gif

Yes that rewrites the big bang into an inversion but the current theory is the expanding universe, so think Casimir on a huge scale. The area between galaxies experiences a lessening of the force of gravity but it is a void. Nothing to pull on so by reducing the force across it the negative energy required to start a wormhole is present over an enormous stretch of space.

So what does this mean for quantum, the proton and neutron stay but the electron is a quantum gravitation effect and that is why the super-conductive bismuth gyro causes a ten trillion times greater gravito magnetic effect than was predicted.

OK quantum's loss is a number of particles that only exist due to energy detected anyway because they sure don't hang around long for a photo. Relativity gets twisted to a Lorentz metric and as we flow through our galaxy in a filament of gravity density as photographed in the Hubble shots of deep space our galactic center is little more than curvature as light tries to catch up to us.

Very simple and great barbecue conversation if you can get it.
Sentient Marine
I am so surprised there hasn't been a reply on this yet.

The fact that a superconducting bismuth gyro causes gravitation distortion means the gyro is the shape of the gravity being produced and the electron is a gravitational effect.

If it were any more obvious it would sing, tap dance and wear a funny hat!
LeTUOtter
I can honestly say I've not heard such dreck in quite a while, and I spent most of yesterday afternoon in a thread with Zephir! You fail at arguing all things physics. No biscuit. mad.gif
landon
if the universe is connected, and it is one as a whole.

then there is one electron that is universe.

it tears apart from time to time well i'd say all the time
or nothing would be happening
so the universe is one electron
kokhaw
Correct me if I'm wrong.

The relationship between the photon and particles can be observed from the process of annihilation and pair production. These two processes are the transformation between photon and particles. Therefore, the ingredients of photon and particles are the same.

What is contained in the photon is the magnetic and electric (M&E) field, therefore, what is contained in the particles is also the M&E field.

The M&E fields are virtual thing just like light. It is not stuffed or solid. you cannot touch it, you can only detect it using correct instruments. Therefore, particles are not stuffed of solid object. They are the structure of M&E fields.

If you are interested to know more, you may visit the website below.
http://www.greatians.com/physics/mass/pair%20production.htm

as for atom and electrons. moving electrons produces magnetic field. It is shown that electrons can be diffracted as wave through pin hole or slit, but can anyone tells that the diffracted and moving electrons still producing magnetic field? My answer is yes it is. So, if the electrons travel as wave in the atom, will the generated magnetic field by moving electrons interact with the nucleus? my answer is yes, it is. Then, why all these are not considered in the development and understating of atom model.

In the quantum mechanics, everything is quantized, but the probability density of electrons in the atom is not a quantized quantity which contradict with principle.

Why there are still many unresolved or weaknesses on the wave atom model? There are so many constraints on the wave atom model which purposely made to suit to it. Why not open up your mind to see something alternative and different which may be more convincing to you? which I can prove the new alternative atom model without any constraints and weaknesses.

Well, you may visit the website below for alternative atom model which may be more convincing to you. It is still up to your wisdom to accept it.
http://www.greatians.com/physics/mass/atom%20model.htm
La.Mente.Sfrenata.
There is a website that is also claiming that electrons don't exist and that scientists have it all wrong. The guy who made it says he 'discovered' a code and that everything is made up of two individual magnetic charges, one positive and one negative with a 'neutal matter' in between them. It's very strange but oddly kind of interesting. The website is www.coralcastlecode.com. I'd actually like to hear other people's feedback on it.
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