India Daily once again amuses readers referring to "some researchers."

Quote: "Are all UFOs Extra-terrestrial? No, they are not. Many of the sightings are illusions and also are unknown experimental terrestrial aircrafts. But how do you distinguish between an extra-terrestrial UFO and a terrestrial UFO. According to some researchers there is a way to distinguish between terrestrial and extra-terrestrial UFOs.

Most UFOs are associated with some lights. According to these researchers, if you can see the light in the aircraft, it is a terrestrial UFO. Extra-terrestrial UFOs do not have lights similar to our aircrafts. In case of Extra-terrestrial aircrafts, the light that is visible comes from the subdued high intensity electromagnetic flux. The extra-terrestrial UFOs are mostly invisible. But the high intensity electromagnetic flux that surrounds them does emit visible spectrum of light when the flux intensity is brought down somewhat. That is exactly what happens when the extra-terrestrial UFOs bring their speed down to sonic levels. The electromagnetic flux surrounding the flying object is removed for a short while or the intensity brought down considerably. At that point of time one can see some glowing lights without any visible aircrafts associated with it."

At least now we know!

It would appear that the reporter who wrote this unintentionally humorous reportage had not an iota of background knowledge of the UFO phenomenon - not only this, but a truly serious lack of logical and didactic reasoning ability - in short, a serious case of footinmouthology.

As far as "lights" are associated with UFOs, their reported characteristics vary within a large spectrum of intensity, colours, modulated frequencies, illumination capacity, contrast with ambient lighting conditions, and more.

I have witnessed two UFOs, one report of which I include below for interest as it pertinently includes light phenomena:

This sighting took place in September 1997 while travelling home from windsurfing on an inland lake in South Africa. The journey took us past the CSIR (Council for Scientific and Industrial Research) buildings on the periphery of the city of Pretoria which we passed on our left. It was dusk and we were travelling in a Southerly direction home towards Johannesburg. My son (who is now a military instructor pilot and captain in the air force) and my wife were present while I was driving, with my son sitting on my left. My attention was drawn to what appeared a very tall tower of stacked disks, this tower conically tapered towards the bottom disk, i.e. the diameter of the top disk was largest and bottom smallest. The time taken from first sighting to passing the tower orthogonally to our right was approximately five minutes at a driving speed of 120 km/h, resulting in a distance estimate of about 10 km.

Each disk was dimly glowing with a reddish evenly distributed light and its equatorial circumference contained several bright orange light sources, about six or seven of these visible on each disk. We mentioned the phenomenon to each other and began to discuss possible explanations. In order to test that this was not due to some internally reflective optical effect (I was reasonably convinced that it could not be, anyway, but wanted to be as objectively scientific in the observation as possible) I opened the driver's window and looked at the "tower" from outside - confirming that it was an external, "real" phenomenon - this was further supported by seeing our progressive approach to it and its growing apparent dimensions in our perspective. We observed that "disks" would periodically, at regular intervals, detach from the bottom of the tower and "fly," move off, in different directions - some would take approximately parallel courses, others would vary radically in their relative direction to previous disks. Although we followed the flight of these departing disks in some direct, and thereafter peripheral vision, our primary attention stayed with the "tower".

We observed somewhere between ten to fifteen disks depart this way but did not feel motivated to make an accurate count - continually we had to balance our sense of "reality" against what we were seeing and it was to say the least, an unsettling and surely disturbing phenomenon - it was not easily intellectually digestible.

Knowing that four parallel fingers of one hand at arm's reach span about ten degrees I measured the apparent height of the tower shortly after sighting at about thirty-five degrees at the estimated ten kilometers - resulting in an estimated height of 7 km - this result did not surprise me due to the enormity of the "tower" and the time taken to approach and pass it. The top disk easily spanned four parallel, vertically held fingers, which after some rough trig. works out to an estimated diameter of at least 1,7 km. The bottom disk of the "tower" was some ten degrees above ground, which would put it at 1,8 km altitude - and a resulting "total tower height of approximately 5,2 km. These are of course estimates but I would guarantee them as being within 20% of the true dimensions.
No unusual sound was heard that would have apparently emitted from the "tower" or individual disks during the entire event.

The orthogonal distance to our right as we passed the tower was difficult to judge due to the effect of it seeming to "float" and the near-to-medium foreground under the apparent position of the "tower" drifting in the opposite direction of our travel underneath it. There was no clear relating landmark or beacon that I could later use as distance reference.

We mutually confirmed that we were seeing what we apparently were seeing - during this time the road was quite busy and we could tell from sideways glances, that the occupants of passing cars, and those we passed, were also all looking, and some pointing to the phenomenon - this, believe it or not, was an important objective confirmation to us.

I reported this sighting the next day to personnel at the Johannesburg Planetarium (some of whom I knew personally, having done a course in Astronomy and also having bought a 4" Newtonian reflector telescope from them years earlier) There was little and if any, skeptical interest - further, I did not hear of any follow up, either privately or via the media. I am not interested in publicity at all - but think that responsible reporting and thorough follow-up investigation is vital in such cases. In conclusion it may appear strange that we did not drastically slow our speed or even stop - this was however a high-speed freeway and stopping is not allowed except in emergency; further we wanted to remain in the right-hand lane, incidentally the fastest, as the "tower" was clearly going to pass on our right.
One emphatically expressed opinion that I will eternally remember being uttered as we passed the tower and we observed another disk departing was: "My God, it's a mothership and those are 'daughter-disks'..." Whether that sentiment was anywhere near an accurate assessment we may of course never know.

The consensuality of perception attending such a sighting would effectively appear to rule out illusionary phenomena. Then again, what truly is "reality" when so much of it is dependent on culturally programmed paradigm and neurological modelling that is transparent to the "user" ?

Some of the things in your story intrigue me. For instance, if there were several other people seeing what you think you saw, why would not you or any of them chance receiving a traffic violation to stop and observe this thing? Or even photograph it. Surely one of the observers would have had a camera. Maybe the police would have been as enthralled by it as you were, and would not have cited youor others.
I wonder, too, what type of propulsion these "daughter" modules were using as they flew away. Antigravity? Antimagnetic? Surely not petrol of any kind.
I noticed that you, like so many other ufologists love to use the word "phenomenon."
Can't help but wonder from what part of the galaxy/universe the flight originated, and how many light years the thing had been travelling.
Did your story get published in any news medium?

I think you hit on the key point. You were windsurfing. During that activity you all were stung by the same jellyfish and suffered halucitory responses guided by the main story teller. Maybe you should see a doctor.............you know to remove any malingering side effects potentially damaging to your everyday existence.

There is a rich literature on UFO-related light- and radio-frequency effects, and some quantitative calculations have been attempted. See for example:

http://www.scientificexploration.org/jse/a...ptical/toc.html

The reason why we did not stop I think I made clear but bears further comment - in the first place I wanted to progress to where I thought the "UFO-stack" was located, if that is, it was statically located at some particular point and not dynamically travelling itself - stopping on a freeway is, as I mentioned, not just prohibited but undoubtedly dangerous. I considered it more appropriate to "go with the flow". The report was published - the following is the reaction I got from the editor concerned:

"From: Ufocasebook@aol.com
Subject: Your Sighting Report

Thank you so very much for a very detailed account of the unknown objects you witnessed in 1997. I must say that it has to be one of the best written reports I have received in many years. I have read through it twice now, and I will include it in our next online magazine. I will also do some searching to see if there are any other reports of that type in the general time period.

If I come up with any similar reports, I will certainly let you know. I will send this to MUFON and see if anyone there has anything for that time period in South Africa. Thanks again for the excellent report.


B J B...
Webmaster, Researcher
UFO Casebook
www.ufocasebook.com

A friend of mine who has been captain in the South African civilian airline for many years remarked to me that he and fellow pilots "regularly see these things" but no longer often bother to report them, as they regard this as stigmatising and find the debriefings involved, arduous - the question of course is, what they have to gain that may be perceived positive, especially in regard to those closed minds that insist that "it cannot be, therefore it isn't..." I suppose neolithic thinkers will always be with us - they travel in aricraft regularly (despite the fact that heavier-than-air flight was considered utterly impossible before the Wright Brothers and Kitty Hawk; they will gratefully avail themselves of anaesthetics for dental surgery, despite the fact that medievals once thought that sperm contained homunculi, frogs came into being via abiogenesis, and the Earth was the centre of the universe with an edge to fall off.

I do not consider myself "a Ufologist" - I have six diploma qualifications in electronics, digital logic, formal logic, and have studied astronomy, astrophysics, cosmogony, geology, mineralogy, crystallography, geomorphology, embryology, genetics, immunology, evolutionary mechanisms, teratology and some related areas. I have no idea of what principles are involved in UFO propulsion techniques except purely speculative guesswork. Those interested might fruitfully study Vimanas - reports of these flying machines occur in the Mahabarata and Vedic records that predate Occidental history by some five-thousand years and were only translated in the late eighteen-hundreds when the best in the West was restricted to derivatives of Lilienthal's balloons and primitive gliders.

It's worth remembering that looking from some far future, today's science is but the neolithic equivalent of a time when our forebears learned to chip flint to make better hand-axes. Some apparently, would prefer to remain there. Apart from taxonomic evolution there is also psychospiritual evolution - and as far as that is concerned, paleotaxons often remain statically in parallel existence with those dynamically developing: the Coelecanth is still with us, as, it appears, are some minds that would be more at home in the epoch of the Saurians. Pity that the obsolescent does not always suffer extinction. Perhaps alien visitors, if that indeed is what they are, are here to observe and help that along.

Thank you, Terry Hansen, for the reference to the Scientificexploration site - the parameters and the range of the conclusions in optical power (and related physical forces) presented there are thought provoking - 20 GW+ would appear to be sufficient to get you somewhere quite fast I don't believe that we will ever effectively explore our cosmic heritage at subluminal velocities - even the edge of the solar system then appears a complete bang-stop barrier. The sci-fi solution of generations of astronauts in some form of suspended animation required to get to interesting targets, e.g. the Andromeda Constellation, or, let's say Alnitak, one of the Orion belt-stars that seems to have played a role in the ground-plot modelling of the Cheops pyramid complex, is a cynically useless quest. The only way we will ever explore that birthright is to develop superluminal propulsion systems. That contains many an implied paradox - transdimensional translation, as perhaps via the Bohmian implicate domain (fold a piece of paper containing two separated dots so that they overlap and "distance" dissapears), may one day be effectively implemented. The Earth is our cradle, we have only just stretched our toes outside it to test a terrain that is as foreign as once the American Continent was to Columbus. Humankind is not destined to remain in its cradle forever - once we were seafaring, two-dimensional translation, then we learned to lift into the third dimension in our development of aviation which we now so take for granted - we need to become spacefaring and to explore the mystically beautiful reality we have the inestimable fortune to inhabit.

"some researchers." or any fool that comes along.

The ufo has plenty of people that know what it is, the rest are "researchers"

Unfortunately I spent the last six months looking at ufo videos and photos
posted on the net.

Now to me the meaning of a physicist or physics is to describe a physical
phenomena, and I think I found a few regarding the renowned ufo.

I sort of found a flat resonance, see Bessel vibration web page and
video of ufo bottom as it stops or starts giving off sparks as a halo
and black and white disc on the bottom.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/many...ilvibration.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v93/many...whitebottom.jpg

A flat lightning generating thing at the bottom of a ufo, how about the
flat Tesla coil.

I noticed a few others related to how a circle of light might be generated
by a radial magnetic field.

I see smaller images but they can be put into the browser with the link below.