If humans are responsible for ALL crop circles, then where are the mistakes? I've never seen a pictures of a crop circle that somebody screwed up. All we ever see are beautiful works of art. Where are the crop circles made by drunk stupid people who miscount how many steps? Or who forgot their boards?
If you can't show me one where an obvious mistake was made, then I will have to assume that the aliens did it.
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 16 2012, 06:38 AM)
If you can't show me one where an obvious mistake was made, then I will have to assume that the aliens did it.
Show me some that don't have access lanes through them. Then I might consider aliens.
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 16 2012, 02:38 AM)
If you can't show me one where an obvious mistake was made, then I will have to assume that the aliens did it.
Argument from ignorance.
Argument from ignorance.
Plus this demand is going to lead to the No True Scotsman fallacy.
Everytime we point out a mistake or other indication of a human-made crop circle, Mazulu will simply retreat without apology to claim that he wasn't talking about the human forgeries -- he was talking about the remaining true crop circles.
The burden of proof is on Mazulu to document even one crop circle actually having non-human extraterrestrial origin.
Everytime we point out a mistake or other indication of a human-made crop circle, Mazulu will simply retreat without apology to claim that he wasn't talking about the human forgeries -- he was talking about the remaining true crop circles.
The burden of proof is on Mazulu to document even one crop circle actually having non-human extraterrestrial origin.
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 16 2012, 06:38 AM)
If humans are responsible for ALL crop circles, then where are the mistakes? I've never seen a pictures of a crop circle that somebody screwed up. All we ever see are beautiful works of art. Where are the crop circles made by drunk stupid people who miscount how many steps? Or who forgot their boards?
If you can't show me one where an obvious mistake was made, then I will have to assume that the aliens did it.
Ha ha ha
Who would take a picture of a f---ed up crop circle?
Ha ha ha!
And yes there man made!
If you can't show me one where an obvious mistake was made, then I will have to assume that the aliens did it.
Ha ha ha
Who would take a picture of a f---ed up crop circle?
Ha ha ha!
And yes there man made!
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Apr 16 2012, 07:34 PM)
Ha ha ha
Who would take a picture of a f---ed up crop circle?
Ha ha ha!
And yes there man made!
Believe me, someone would still take a picture even if the crop circle was screwed up.
What can I say? There are experts in crop circle creation who can create the whole thing in one night. I think crop circiles are beautiful. There is a mistique to the art work when some people believe that were created by aliens. The same is true for the pyramids and megalithic architecture. If a person or a nation (like Egypt) can create something so amazing that people believe it was created by ET's, then that person, group or nation can take pride in the fact that somebody was inspired by their work.
By the way, how did they lift those 200 ton megalithic stones? How did they position the stones so accurately? How do you pick up a stone that weighs 200,000 lbs? You would need at least 2000 slaves, miles of rope, and gigantic "suction cups???"?
Who would take a picture of a f---ed up crop circle?
Ha ha ha!
And yes there man made!
Believe me, someone would still take a picture even if the crop circle was screwed up.
What can I say? There are experts in crop circle creation who can create the whole thing in one night. I think crop circiles are beautiful. There is a mistique to the art work when some people believe that were created by aliens. The same is true for the pyramids and megalithic architecture. If a person or a nation (like Egypt) can create something so amazing that people believe it was created by ET's, then that person, group or nation can take pride in the fact that somebody was inspired by their work.
By the way, how did they lift those 200 ton megalithic stones? How did they position the stones so accurately? How do you pick up a stone that weighs 200,000 lbs? You would need at least 2000 slaves, miles of rope, and gigantic "suction cups???"?
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 16 2012, 07:31 PM)
By the way, how did they lift those 200 ton megalithic stones? How did they position the stones so accurately? How do you pick up a stone that weighs 200,000 lbs? You would need at least 2000 slaves, miles of rope, and gigantic "suction cups???"?
There's a theory that the Great Pyramid had internal ramps and used the grand gallery to house a counterweight to pull the 60 ton blocks up the side of the pyramid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyra...p.22_hypothesis
There's a theory that the Great Pyramid had internal ramps and used the grand gallery to house a counterweight to pull the 60 ton blocks up the side of the pyramid.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Egyptian_pyra...p.22_hypothesis
I only had time to skim the article. Moving around rocks that are a couple of tons is doable. I know that some blocks were reported to have weighed as much as a hundred or two tons. I wish I knew where those reports got there numbers. In other words, are there any pyramids that were constructed with 50+ ton blocks.
The Egyptian pyramids are very impressive. But if modern scientists cannot adequately explain how these 70 and 80+ ton blocks were moved/positioned, then what reason is there not to speculate in the existence of ET's with gravity field generator equipment.
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 17 2012, 01:32 AM)
The Egyptian pyramids are very impressive. But if modern scientists cannot adequately explain how these 70 and 80+ ton blocks were moved/positioned, then what reason is there not to speculate in the existence of ET's with gravity field generator equipment.
Where's your evidence for any of the blocks being over 50 tons? You JUST said that you don't remember where you read that. TRY.
Where's your evidence for any of the blocks being over 50 tons? You JUST said that you don't remember where you read that. TRY.
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Apr 17 2012, 11:51 AM)
Where's your evidence for any of the blocks being over 50 tons? You JUST said that you don't remember where you read that. TRY.
There are stone blocks in Greece weighting over 1000 tons
Unimaginable weight.
Stone blocks and crop circles are two different things!
And yes it is hard to beleave that humans that could hardly find enough to eat would have time to cut these stones let alone build something with them.
There are stone blocks in Greece weighting over 1000 tons
Unimaginable weight.
Stone blocks and crop circles are two different things!
And yes it is hard to beleave that humans that could hardly find enough to eat would have time to cut these stones let alone build something with them.
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Apr 17 2012, 12:49 PM)
There are stone blocks in Greece weighting over 1000 tons
Unimaginable weight.
Stone blocks and crop circles are two different things!
And yes it is hard to beleave that humans that could hardly find enough to eat would have time to cut these stones let alone build something with them.
Sorry it is in Lebanon
A city called Baalbek once occupied by the greeks.
Unimaginable weight.
Stone blocks and crop circles are two different things!
And yes it is hard to beleave that humans that could hardly find enough to eat would have time to cut these stones let alone build something with them.
Sorry it is in Lebanon
A city called Baalbek once occupied by the greeks.
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Apr 17 2012, 08:57 AM)
Sorry it is in Lebanon
A city called Baalbek once occupied by the greeks.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek#Moving_the_stones
A city called Baalbek once occupied by the greeks.
QUOTE
The quarry was slightly higher up than the temple itself so no lifting was required to move the stones the 800 meters to the temple. A remaining stone in the quarry shows how the stones were moved using rollers, with machines using capstans and pully blocks being used to slowly move the large blocks down the track to the temple, a process which may have taken as many as 512 workers to perform.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek#Moving_the_stones
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Apr 17 2012, 11:51 AM)
Where's your evidence for any of the blocks being over 50 tons? You JUST said that you don't remember where you read that. TRY.
I haven't found the video where they mention 200ton stones, yet. But I did find this. I'm looking at #5, #8, #13, #14, #21, #22, #25f, etc...
I haven't found the video where they mention 200ton stones, yet. But I did find this. I'm looking at #5, #8, #13, #14, #21, #22, #25f, etc...
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 17 2012, 12:44 PM)
I haven't found the video where they mention 200ton stones, yet. But I did find this. I'm looking at #5, #8, #13, #14, #21, #22, #25f, etc...
Wow, that is one dishonest website.
This picture is either photoshopped or uses a distorted perspective to make the temple look huge compared to the pyramid.
Here is the relevant text from wiki:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Me...#Temple_complex
"Local stone" means that it wasn't moved very far from where it was quarried, which is certainly within the means of the Ancient Egyptians.
Half of the other examples throw around "100 tons" and "200 tons" without any source material, and with images that do not show any stones of that size.
#5 was constructed within the Roman Era by Herod the Great, definitely not too difficult to construct with Roman-Era technology.
#8 See above
#13 I couldn't find any non-cranky documentation of this
#14 The website is incorrect about the placement of the blocks. They were part of the temple complex, not the pyramid.
#21 I'm seeing 200 tons as the largest recorded on site, not 400
#22 They don't mention which pyramid at Dahshur they are referring to. There are several, and I don't see any made out of brick.
#25f This one seems accurate
So far I have yet to see a 200 ton stone used in pyramid construction, but I don't even see why that's a problem for ancient engineers.
Wow, that is one dishonest website.
This picture is either photoshopped or uses a distorted perspective to make the temple look huge compared to the pyramid.
Here is the relevant text from wiki:
QUOTE
Reisner estimated that some of the blocks of local stone in the walls of the mortuary temple weighed as much as 220 tons, while the heaviest granite ashlars imported from Aswan weighed more than 30 tons.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyramid_of_Me...#Temple_complex
"Local stone" means that it wasn't moved very far from where it was quarried, which is certainly within the means of the Ancient Egyptians.
Half of the other examples throw around "100 tons" and "200 tons" without any source material, and with images that do not show any stones of that size.
#5 was constructed within the Roman Era by Herod the Great, definitely not too difficult to construct with Roman-Era technology.
#8 See above
#13 I couldn't find any non-cranky documentation of this
#14 The website is incorrect about the placement of the blocks. They were part of the temple complex, not the pyramid.
#21 I'm seeing 200 tons as the largest recorded on site, not 400
#22 They don't mention which pyramid at Dahshur they are referring to. There are several, and I don't see any made out of brick.
#25f This one seems accurate
So far I have yet to see a 200 ton stone used in pyramid construction, but I don't even see why that's a problem for ancient engineers.
Wow talking about pyramids and Pharaohs Aye. It is simply amazing what you can do with block and tackle . We had this little guy . Skinny as can be . We had him pull the block and tackle to raise a beam of massive proportion one time . The boss didn't have any heavy equipment and it was up to us carpenters to figure it out if we wanted to get paid. I had my trusty block and tackle with a good strong long rope . The Boss didn't know it so when he came Back he was amazed at the beam was set . My Block and Tackle was out of sight out of mind . He asked How you got that up there . I said Ray did it by him self . That was the skinny little guys name . Ray did it .
You see my point . Give credit were credit is due . The craftsmen of the day knew there craft . I doubt it was Aliens . Craftsmen and artisans yes that is my best answer .
You see my point . Give credit were credit is due . The craftsmen of the day knew there craft . I doubt it was Aliens . Craftsmen and artisans yes that is my best answer .
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Apr 17 2012, 05:23 PM)
So far I have yet to see a 200 ton stone used in pyramid construction, but I don't even see why that's a problem for ancient engineers.
So building with 200 ton building blocks is relatively easy for modern builders?
So building with 200 ton building blocks is relatively easy for modern builders?
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Apr 17 2012, 01:47 PM)
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baalbek#Moving_the_stones
You should pay closer attention when you read
The 1000 ton blocks where moved one half mile up hill
Then set in place at Baalbek
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 17 2012, 07:58 PM)
So building with 200 ton building blocks is relatively easy for modern builders?
Working with heavy equipment I can tell you that 200 tons is a substantial amount of weight
Wood rollers would be crushed if they didn't run on a flat surface and I don't know if it would be posable to move 1000 ton stone with wood.
Working with heavy equipment I can tell you that 200 tons is a substantial amount of weight
Wood rollers would be crushed if they didn't run on a flat surface and I don't know if it would be posable to move 1000 ton stone with wood.
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 17 2012, 03:58 PM)
So building with 200 ton building blocks is relatively easy for modern builders?
I wouldn't say "easy" but we have multiple methods of doing so.
I wouldn't say "easy" but we have multiple methods of doing so.
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Apr 17 2012, 06:18 PM)
You should pay closer attention when you read
The 1000 ton blocks where moved one half mile up hill
Then set in place at Baalbek
Where does it say that?
The 1000 ton blocks where moved one half mile up hill
Then set in place at Baalbek
Where does it say that?
It certainly helps if the quarry is at a higher elevation than the destination of the block. I have to say that I am impressed by these megalithic constructions. I guess it really is possible to moving stones up to 1250 tons with low tech methods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thunder_Stone.jpg
Thunder stone, 1250 tons was moved using a sleigh and 6" bronze spheres a distance of 3.7 miles.
It took 400 men and 9 months to move it. I'm blown away by what can be accomplished with such simple technology.
Why would someone go through the trouble of moving unimaginably huge stones? Simple. The nation that sponsors the building of megalithic projects wants people to say: Wow! That was build by the gods! That was built by aliens! It's all about prestige and national pride.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thunder_Stone.jpg
Thunder stone, 1250 tons was moved using a sleigh and 6" bronze spheres a distance of 3.7 miles.
It took 400 men and 9 months to move it. I'm blown away by what can be accomplished with such simple technology.Why would someone go through the trouble of moving unimaginably huge stones? Simple. The nation that sponsors the building of megalithic projects wants people to say: Wow! That was build by the gods! That was built by aliens! It's all about prestige and national pride.
QUOTE (Mazulu+Apr 18 2012, 05:17 AM)
It certainly helps if the quarry is at a higher elevation than the destination of the block. I have to say that I am impressed by these megalithic constructions. I guess it really is possible to moving stones up to 1250 tons with low tech methods.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thunder_Stone.jpg
Thunder stone, 1250 tons was moved using a sleigh and 6" bronze spheres a distance of 3.7 miles. It took 400 men and 9 months to move it. I'm blown away by what can be accomplished with such simple technology.
Why would someone go through the trouble of moving unimaginably huge stones? Simple. The nation that sponsors the building of megalithic projects wants people to say: Wow! That was build by the gods! That was built by aliens! It's all about prestige and national pride.
A megalith could also be used as a sort of a time machine sending a message far into to future .
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_megalithic_sites
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Thunder_Stone.jpg
Thunder stone, 1250 tons was moved using a sleigh and 6" bronze spheres a distance of 3.7 miles.
It took 400 men and 9 months to move it. I'm blown away by what can be accomplished with such simple technology.Why would someone go through the trouble of moving unimaginably huge stones? Simple. The nation that sponsors the building of megalithic projects wants people to say: Wow! That was build by the gods! That was built by aliens! It's all about prestige and national pride.
A megalith could also be used as a sort of a time machine sending a message far into to future .
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Apr 18 2012, 11:24 AM)
A megalith could also be used as a sort of a time machine sending a message far into to future .
Sure, a message that says: we're awesome!
If I had my way, the physics community would begin research on warp field physics. Quantum field theory and the Casimir Effect are probably prerequisites.
Sure, a message that says: we're awesome!
If I had my way, the physics community would begin research on warp field physics. Quantum field theory and the Casimir Effect are probably prerequisites.
Is it just me, or were some comments in this thread deleted?
QUOTE (flyingbuttressman+Apr 19 2012, 02:15 AM)
Is it just me, or were some comments in this thread deleted?
I had to rewrite one of my comments. I thought maybe it got lost out there in cyberspace. I don't remember writing anything contraversial.
I had to rewrite one of my comments. I thought maybe it got lost out there in cyberspace. I don't remember writing anything contraversial.
QUOTE (soundhertz+Apr 19 2012, 02:36 AM)
Ever see this, gentlemen?
http://coralcastle.com/
Yes I something about the coral castle a few years ago
It sounds amazing the guy said he levitated the stones when there was a full moon by singing.
It's like he he caused a temporary change in the molecular vibration of the stone making it weightless.
http://coralcastle.com/
Yes I something about the coral castle a few years ago
It sounds amazing the guy said he levitated the stones when there was a full moon by singing.
It's like he he caused a temporary change in the molecular vibration of the stone making it weightless.
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Apr 19 2012, 11:35 AM)
Yes I something about the coral castle a few years ago
It sounds amazing the guy said he levitated the stones when there was a full moon by singing.
It's like he he caused a temporary change in the molecular vibration of the stone making it weightless.
And no I don't studer and I'm not stoned lol
I'm using my phone to post and im in a hurry before work
It sounds amazing the guy said he levitated the stones when there was a full moon by singing.
It's like he he caused a temporary change in the molecular vibration of the stone making it weightless.
And no I don't studer and I'm not stoned lol
I'm using my phone to post and im in a hurry before work
QUOTE (Whitewolf4869+Apr 19 2012, 11:35 AM)
Yes I something about the coral castle a few years ago
It sounds amazing the guy said he levitated the stones when there was a full moon by singing.
It's like he he caused a temporary change in the molecular vibration of the stone making it weightless.
Coral castle is pretty amazing. Maybe if you love what you're doing, there is joy and singing in that. Maybe he did levitate those rocks? All the more reason to pursue warp field technology!
It sounds amazing the guy said he levitated the stones when there was a full moon by singing.
It's like he he caused a temporary change in the molecular vibration of the stone making it weightless.
Coral castle is pretty amazing. Maybe if you love what you're doing, there is joy and singing in that. Maybe he did levitate those rocks? All the more reason to pursue warp field technology!
It's strange that ancient people's around the world where building and cutting huge stones
It has been speculated that many are as much as 10 thousand years old.
I have studied anthropology for many years and have found that so called primitive people are very sophisticated on a mental level.
Thousands of years were spent studying the human mind.
They beleved that there is a universal knowledge whiting to be tapped into.
This knowledge is timeless going back to the beginning of time and extending to the end of time it's always there.
Native Americans used the sweat lodge to tap into this knowledge and called it the stone people lodge.
Every now and then someone is borne that apears to be a genius
and many times they say things come to them in dreams.
This sounds to me like there brain is in toon with the universal knowage.
I think the answer to this can be found in physics.
It has been speculated that many are as much as 10 thousand years old.
I have studied anthropology for many years and have found that so called primitive people are very sophisticated on a mental level.
Thousands of years were spent studying the human mind.
They beleved that there is a universal knowledge whiting to be tapped into.
This knowledge is timeless going back to the beginning of time and extending to the end of time it's always there.
Native Americans used the sweat lodge to tap into this knowledge and called it the stone people lodge.
Every now and then someone is borne that apears to be a genius
and many times they say things come to them in dreams.
This sounds to me like there brain is in toon with the universal knowage.
I think the answer to this can be found in physics.
What I like about Coral Castle is that it is in our time, and no one has figured out how he did it, since he was not an isolated individual, in an isolated place, at a distant point in history. He was in Florida building this: ongoing, day after day for years. That's intriguing.
No one can 'break' physics. No one can do what can't be done. 'Metaphysics' is an uber-controversial term. But 'meta' can never be something beyond physics. It's all physics. How did he do it? Beats me. He wasn't a superhuman; he was actually chased out of his place by aggressive youths, whom he feared. If he was able to move these stones, he certainly could have been able to re-move his aggressors. Unless he considered such a thing as a blaspheming of the technique. But we wait for an explanation that suffices, and so far, none, by anyone. Similar to the Mighty Atom, whom I have discussed here before at length, including my own personal experiences of him.
No one can 'break' physics. No one can do what can't be done. 'Metaphysics' is an uber-controversial term. But 'meta' can never be something beyond physics. It's all physics. How did he do it? Beats me. He wasn't a superhuman; he was actually chased out of his place by aggressive youths, whom he feared. If he was able to move these stones, he certainly could have been able to re-move his aggressors. Unless he considered such a thing as a blaspheming of the technique. But we wait for an explanation that suffices, and so far, none, by anyone. Similar to the Mighty Atom, whom I have discussed here before at length, including my own personal experiences of him.
My step father was good at deception . He was a one man crew while the other crews had several men so as to raise walls . They could not figure out how he raised his walls by him self . He bought beer after hrs. while the beer drinkers raised his walls .
Singing good can draw a crowd. Keeping them quite takes prostitutes or some other form of black mail . Could be the whisper like I use
Here is one way you could do it . Not saying this is the way , but one way to get it done is to start with round stones . Roll them up close to the stack with dirt packed ramps . Then chisel out the stone sq. on one side then tip it into place . Now all you got to do is chisel out the remaining sides and clear the debris before the next stone is rolled up.
Rinse and repeat . When finished remove dirt ramps
Singing good can draw a crowd. Keeping them quite takes prostitutes or some other form of black mail . Could be the whisper like I use
Here is one way you could do it . Not saying this is the way , but one way to get it done is to start with round stones . Roll them up close to the stack with dirt packed ramps . Then chisel out the stone sq. on one side then tip it into place . Now all you got to do is chisel out the remaining sides and clear the debris before the next stone is rolled up.
Rinse and repeat . When finished remove dirt ramps
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