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gnik_isrever
I am Graeme Daryl Whitmeyer, and I come in service to Aton and to my brethren here on Shan.

TIME TO WAKE UP, SLEEPIES!!!

First of all, I give much gratitude to Physorg Forums in that I find myself in a circumstance where people have the opportunity to hear the Truth. With that said, I also give thanks to every one of you who is so ready and willing to take the time to appreciate or incorporate this Truth into your Life. This Truth will correct and update areas of science which are not now in accordance with the natural processes of nature such as the Rutherford-Bohr concept and model of the atom, the expanding universe concept, the laws of thermodynamics, and the nature of light and sound. The understanding and application of these Truths will lead mankind into three great “miracles” possible for man’s usage in the world today which are as follows:

1. Power projection from anywhere to wherever one wishes to project it without the need of wires or cables. Tesla already had that scientifically perfected.
2. The power of converting solar rays to light and power. Tesla also had that well under development. J.P. Morgan, himself, buried these things from your use—good old Bankster that he was!
3. The power of transmuting one element of matter to another. Now you KNOW that you CAN do this for all you have to do is look at plain old table salt. It is just a matter of understanding physics as properly given.

Let us begin with explaining the tragedy of modern science. The ultimately supreme need of the human race at this stage of unfolding is the discovery of the existence and identity of a comprehensible God by methods and processes which will meet the requirements and standards demanded in the laboratories of science as well as within the heart and consciousness of man. The tragedy of modern science is that it has already made this supreme discovery but is not aware of it. Because of the present-day misconception of the universe, fear has been created by man which leads to war and the preying of man upon man, and is the dominant note upon which our civilization has been constructed. When the day comes that fear leaves man and love enters, the age of slaughter of man by man will end and the age of character will begin. Deeper still than science, which should have discovered the God of Love (BALANCE), or religion, which created a god of fear and wrath, is the basic cause of man's self-made troubles-- and that is MAN, himself, who strayed from God's Natural Law at the dawn of Consciousness and has continued to do so to this very moment. Alexis Carrel was right in saying that all of man's institutions-- and these include government, industry, education and home relations-- were man-governed and out of balance with themselves and with each other and must, therefore, all be changed to obey the laws of Nature. This is why you must understand the law of rhythmic balanced interchange between all opposite pairs in Nature. When the day comes that this is so, a cohesive, unified and forever enduring civilization will emerge, resulting in the transcendency of man from his present lowly status to that final goal of his Creator's intent where he can knowingly say, "I and my Father are ONE."

Next, we look into the foundations of our present beliefs and why they are faulty. This refers to "International Science".:

It is strange but true that so little a thing as a wrong terminology adopted by science can be blamed for the tragedy of man even as so little a thing as a flaw in a rail can throw a whole trainload off its course and destroy many human lives. That wrong terminology is based upon the concept of an electromagnetic universe. In order to comprehend the power of motion in its desire to create heat and visible light out of the cold invisible Light at rest, which Mind is, Creation must henceforth be looked upon as a universe of Mind-imagining having no reality and be known as AN OPTICAL UNIVERSE OF GRAVITY-CONTROLLED LIGHT, for God is Light and God's Mind THINKS in waves of light. The secret of Creation lies within the light-waves of motion which gravity compresses into rings of light in which density first increases toward the outside by thrusting outward from within until the centering holes have been closed into hot spheres. Density then increases in the inward direction. This is accomplished by the octave-wave process which multiplies power by projecting it from the stillness of its Mind-source by dividing it into mated pairs which science calls the elements of matter. This constitutes the sex-principle of life which science has so strangely neglected to observe as being the BASIC FACTOR OF MOTION. Failure to recognize the secret of life as being the sex principle which lies within the motion of light-waves: The alternating sequences of compression and expansion are the very cause of motion as indicated by their sequential equally interchanging inbreathings and outbreathings. It is these very generative, compressive inbreathings from the cold of space which cause the multiplication of heat in your body or in the body of the sun. Radiative outbreathings then divide it by expansion. To designate this effect of compression-expansion sequences by electric terminology such as positive and negative charges is totally unlike Nature's processes of creation of matter. It overlooks the fact that these action-reaction sequences are interchanges between the heat and cold of the divided spectrum of matter. Man's laboratories are unaware of the fact that they are unknowingly on the way to discovering the transmutation process, for that process demands the power and knowledge to control gravity in such a manner that they can compress or expand it to high limits. Why, therefore, relate effect to electricity when light and power companies have only light and heat to sell? Why, also, relate them to magnetism when they have no magnetism to sell? Power companies can produce light and heat only by resistance to motion, which induction accomplishes. Friction, induction, and compression ARE ONE. If a man scrapes his feet on a rug and touches metal, he will produce a light only. Why call it electricity? If a meteorite, or a spacecraft, springs into visible light by the friction of resistance through the atmosphere, it produces light only. Why call it electricity or electromagnetism? One can produce visible light and great heat by focusing centripetal rays upon cold bodies through biconvex lenses, but that would not justify the light thus produced to be termed opticity. The term "magnetism" is also unjustifiable. The word GRAVITY would be used instead, for gravity both multiplies and divides by thrusting inward from without to compress and outward from within to expand. In this manner, gravity controls light by controlling its curvature, and Mind also controls gravity by limiting both outward thrusts to the cube mirror planes of zero curvature. This is in complete opposition to the Newtonian law of gravity which claims that gravity pulls inward toward a center and that matter attracts matter. It is also in opposition to the second law of thermodynamics which claims that energy cannot run uphill but only downhill. Factually, there is no inward pull of light toward a center nor are there such effects as attraction or repulsion of matter (meaning light) to other matter. No scientist can create energy by pulling inward from within. It must be produced by thrusting inward from without, as an automobile tire is pumped. That means by compression. If the tire were made of a metal which could not be burst by that compressive inward thrust, it would cause it to create a ring of intensely hot visible light at its center and density would then increase inwardly, as stars and planets increase their densities in the inward direction. Science has already done this but does not admit that the energy thus created was projected into it, for science claims that matter itself is energy. Science creates air-conditioning and refrigeration that way. By continuing the freezing process to near absolute zero of cold, it can also multiply the power of conductivity of such soft metals as aluminum to equal that of harder metals such as copper. Many laboratories have already done this, and the Du Pont Company has created what it terms new non-conductive substances by the opposite direction of expansion. All of these laboratories have been on the way to a solution of the principle of transmutation but, unfortunately, are unaware of it. Furthermore, they have also been on the way to the control of gravity, which a certain distinguished scientist said would climax all discoveries by giving man an unlimited command over matter. Science has long ago been in control of gravity but is, unfortunately, also unaware of that. Bear in mind our new law of the cycles which may be put this way: Cold generates heat and heat radiates heat to cold. This applies to the interchange between all pairs of opposites. All of these pairs of opposites express their forces at angles of ninety degrees from their axes of rotation.

The concept of the expanding universe, without the power to generate an uphill flow of energy as well as to expand it into a heat-death, is untenable. The concept of the expanding universe grew out of the present belief that the universe was created eons ago by some cataclysmic effect that created a ball of heat which is now expanding into the presumed nothingness of space. To say that the universe will "die" because THE LIGHT WHICH GOD IS will go out is equivalent to saying that God, its Creator, will die or will cease to think.

The Coulomb Law raises the most momentous questions of all time, questions which the greatest logicians of history have been unable to solve. Mathematics will not solve them with equations which are but assumptions. No human can solve that supreme mystery except one who KNOWS the Cosmic Source and CAUSE of ALL things. It is a small wonder that Newton was deceived. His senses perceived that an apple fell TO the ground. He did not perceive that as the apple fell, its equal in potential arose simultaneously FROM the ground and sequentially the entire apple arose FROM the ground and its equal potential fell TO it. The law reads as follows: Like poles repel and unlike poles attract. Coulomb uses the term "magnetism" under the "ASSUMPTION" that this universe is an electromagnetic one, but that means "matter" which is the term used by Newton. Both of them overlooked the vital fact that there is a zero of attraction and repulsion between stars or planets and between poles of a bar magnet. Astronauts find that zero position but they do not call it "magnetism"; they call it "GRAVITY" and that is what it is. It seems as illogical for Coulomb to have assumed that the iron fillings were attracted tot he bar magnet-- which sould properly be termed a "gravity bar"-- as it is for Newton to have assumed that the falling apple was attracted to earth. To have told either of them that both the apple and the filings were projected there by the force of compression exerted from the outward toward the inward direction, instead of pulling inward from without, would have been met with a blank stare and not listened to. The complete description of the wave is THE UNDIVIDED AND THE DIVIDED-MULTIPLIED UNIVERSE. This completes the wave cycle. The DIVIDED UNIVERSE accounts for but one swing of the cosmic pendulum. It does not account for its countless repetitions which have given you a universe which had no beginnings and has no endings. This new two-way principle accounts for the simultaneous invisible swing of the pendulum from its zero of stillness to its compression focus and back again through expansion. It also accounts for the voidance principle which makes of this universe an imagined one in which every happening anywhere is voided by its equal "unhappening" everywhere. In the closing discussion of the Coulumb Law: EVERY ACTION-REACTION OF WAVE MOTION IS VOIDED AS IT OCCURS, IS REPEATED AS IT IS VOIDED, AND IS RECORDED AS IT IS REPEATED.

The theory of atomic structure, the Rutherford-Bohr theory, claims that every atom has a nucleus which is held together by some mysterious "glue", but no scientist has yet discovered what that "glue" is. Every scientist does know, however, that a compression pump will not only produce heat but will hold it together as one mass, and that a vacuum pump will take the heat out of it and produce cold. Why search any longer for that "glue" for compression lies at the end of that useless search? Science also claims that its nuclei are surrounded by various layers of electrons which revolve around them in certain mathematical layers in planes which do not parallel the equator of its nucleus. Nature gives no precedent for such a peculiar action. Suns and planets are surrounded solely by rings which revolve around their equators. They revolve around their centering suns but in an outward direction and not at fixed levels. Nature has no precedent for that action for motion is spiral. The directional movement of all planets is centrifugal. If Science really knew what electrons are, it would not sustain that theory for one second. Electrons do not revolve in orbits around any nucleus. In fact, they do not have a nucleus. They spring from the zero inert gases of their octave toward a nucleus in the first element of their fourth octave-- as lithium springs from helium-- then multiply in cube ratio at each step toward carbon.

This will deal with that which we will simply refer to henceforth as the New Laws of Thermodynamics. Past lessons have very plainly explained the Creator's process of causing a visible universe of hot light of suns and stars to appear from the inconceivably cold light of space and then to disappear into it or, as man describes it, to be swallowed up by it, yet man has never yet been able to discover that process. The main reason for that failure is that his concept of the creation of the visible light universe is that it was created out of some cataclysmic happening in the universe which resulted in a great ball of fire. Believing this, he reasons that that ball of fire will gradually cool by splitting up into smaller balls of fire. That belief is the basis of his theory that energy lies in matter itself and of the expanding universe which will cause the eventual death of the universe. The name given to that cosmic death is ENTROPY. Out of that same concept of the birth of Creation grew the belief that energy cannot run uphill but only downhill. To formulate that into a system, the first and second laws of thermodynamics were formed, with emphasis on the second. It is very strange that such a code of laws could ever have been written or followed as sacrosanct by modern science in view of the fact that every laboratory of Earth is today making energy run uphill by multiplying the stillness of fifteen pounds pressure per square inch to thousands of pounds pressure by compressing room temperature to an incandescence which can melt the hardest steel into vapors in a few seconds. Here are the New Laws of Thermodynamics:

1. Cold generates energy. Heat radiates energy. Cold multiplies. It cannot divide for it is the fulcrum of the universe which must extend to multiply. Heat divides. It cannot multiply but can be multiplied.

2. Every action must be preceded and followed by its equal and opposite reaction. Heat is the reaction of cold. Heat could not come into being save for the compressive action of cold, nor could it repeat itself without losing itself in basic cold.

3. Cold is static, unchanging and unconditioned. It eternally lives. Cold light is the basic ONE THING of this universe. Heat waves are dynamic, forever changing and dually conditioned. They are eternally living and dying to simulate life.

4. Cold light is the omnipresent basis of universal intelligence and energy. Hot waves of light, which man calls matter, are a simulation of intelligence and energy. There is no intelligence or energy in matter.

5. Static cold and dynamic heat express their opposite energies at angles of ninety degrees from their axes of rotation. Cold retains its static, motionless condition along wave axes where motion ceases at points of maximum heat, while heat extends along equators to again expand as cold. This balanced interchanging completes the wave cycle.

6. Cold compresses. Cold multiplies cold to create heat. Heat expands to divide heat into cold. Varied pressures of heat constitute the octave color spectrum cycles and the octave chemical cycles of matter. Their varied wave lengths are the basis of your mathematics.

7. Long low waves of low potential and high frequencies constitute the invisible spectrum and low density gases while short high waves of high potential and low frequencies constitute the basis for high density.

Now let us consider the nature of light and sound. Optics itself makes one conspicuous mistake, and it is a most serious one because it misleads one as to the nature of light. It constantly speaks of, and diagrams, PARALLEL rays of light. THERE ARE NO PARALLEL RAYS OF LIGHT IN THE WHOLE UNIVERSE. THEY EITHER DIVERGE OR CONVERGE. Look about you in your own room at night. Every light in it sends curved diverging rays which converge in every other light. Look down from a plane onto cities and separating meadows. You see the prototypes of stars and star clusters in which high potential short waves lead to low potential long waves in curved rays which converge in every other light in the universe in the same manner. That is God's way of intercommunicating and recording the actions and reactions of interchanging pairs of opposites in His universe. And that is man's way, also, of multiplying space silence into audible sound by his radar system. In fact, the multiplication of silence into sound parallels man's multiplication of invisible light into visible light. Both light and silence are eternal and basic, while visible light and sound are transient repetitions. It will strike one as strange to think of sound and silence in terms of compression and expansion, heat and cold, and other such cycles of opposites and interchanges of pulsations, but they are just that. Just as cold is the fulcrum upon which its heat extends so, also, is silence the fulcrum upon which sound extends. Likewise, just as heat appears from cold and disappears into it, sound appears from silence and is "swallowed up" by it. Both light and sound are the repercussions resulting from the collision of any two or more objects or forces. Wave pulsations constitute a force of compression in fulfilling their process of creating matter. Every collision of a wave gives forth a sound when it reaches its amplitude anode. It also gives forth light and heat. In other words, light and sound live and die as all effects of wave motions live and die. Even the sounds of the most violent explosions spread out and gradually die, just as man and all transient life likewise do.

So now, let us emphasize the following facts:

1. That every effect is an optical effect;
2. That every action-reaction-- such as inbreathing and outbreathing, compression and expansion-- is two-way, not one-way, which means that this is a reciprocating, continuous, pendulum-swinging universe of rhythmic balanced interchange between the cold stillness of space and the compression-heated moving universe;
3. That it is a universe of repetitive uphill and downhill flow and that the "expanding universe" is inconsistent with Nature's processes;
4. That, as a consequence, the present laws of thermodynamics necessarily picture a dying, heat-death universe known as "entropy" instead of an eternal one created by and eternal God;
5. That gravity is the controller of light and that light is the ONE THING in all Nature;
6. That science has mistaken magnetism for gravity and light-waves are known as "electricity";
7. Finally, that every effect is a photographic effect made by opening-closing diaphragms of the Cosmic Camera which makes this universe an optical, photosynthetic universe of gravity-controlled light instead of the electro-magnetic universe of the present era's concept.

Added to this list is that atoms were not solid spheres but only empty ones with holes in them which had to become closed before they could become solid. They, therefore, had no nuclei until they reached their wave amplitudes where they were united as one complete spectrum unit. They then divided into pairs where they could reproduce themselves as father and mother pairs of the sexed universe. Also added is emphasis on the fact that although two curvatures were the only tools for creating this curved universe of matter, just one tool (the cube) is used for repeating these pulsations of interchanging between the two curvatures.

To wrap up this article of Cosmic Science and Infinite Technology allow me to introduce to you the basic design for a device which can be built which utilizes this highly advanced knowledge of the spiraling nature of reality. Another failure of international science is not to have discovered that the solenoid coils of its research laboratories are improperly-therefore inefficiently-wound. Did Mr. Tesla realize this? Indeed he did and that is when the real thrust was made to get rid of him. Not having discovered that the universe is an optical universe of gravity-controlled light instead of an electromagnetic one, it has wound its coils cylindrically instead of conically. Also, it has wound them without taking consideration of the collisions which necessitate opposite clockwise and counter-clockwise directions for each coil to create maximum gravity power without violating Nature's one direction. Also, it has not discovered that there are four pairs of gravity poles on each gravity bar instead of only one pair at its ends. There MUST be in order to account for the octave multiplying-and-dividing power which the wave is created to fulfill. These four focal pairs are located on each side of its centering zero, the square of the distance from each other. They not only create the elements of compressed light and heat but also create the spectrum which is the measure of heat as well as being the sex and life principles of Creation. Nature winds its coils all going around their axes in the same direction but each coil having a clockwise direction from one center and a counter-clockwise direction from the other. This accounts for an equator for the expansion ends, the cathodes of cold space, and another equator for the compression ends, the anodes of hot suns. A little consideration given to this process of Nature will dispel any wonderment as to the source of the sun's energy and, also, it will account for the curvature of gravity in space.

[ALL KNOWLEDGE HERE WAS PROVIDED FREELY FROM VIOLINIO GERMAIN WITH AN URGE TO SPREAD IT FAR AND WIDE!!! MY PERSONAL THANKS GO OUT TO DHARMA FOR THE RECORDING OF MANY (THIS IS A VERY, VERY SMALL EXCERPT COMPILATION) MESSAGES LIKE SUCH, AND TO GERMAIN-- COHAN OF THE SEVENTH RAY, MASTER TEACHER OF ALCHEMY AND TRANSMUTATION-- FOR HIS EFFORT THAT WE MIGHT BE AGAIN WHOLE.]
gnik_isrever
You know you like this information!!!

What do you have to say about it people, I am waiting.

HAHAHAHA! I just love it because it's Truth and "goes against" most things currently accepted.

Someone should really build the device, that would be great.
HawkingBrain
Just more New Age Quantum mysticism.
gnik_isrever
IT IS NOT "NEW AGE" IN ANY WAY. JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE MAKING A BAD NAME FOR THIS REAL SCIENCE DOES NOT MEAN THAT SAME IS CONTAMINATED.

ONLY MAN MAKES IN HIS THEORIES MYSTERY AND "MAGIC". I AM POSITIVE IT IS YOUR CURRENTLY ACCEPTED THEORIES WHICH HAVE "UNEXPLAINABLE" THINGS IN THEM AND MYSTERIES, NOT MINE. EVERY "MYSTERY" YOU GUYS HAVE, THIS SCIENCE WILL EXPLAIN PERFECTLY. WILL YOU JUST GIVE IT A CHANCE, PLEASE? Somewhere along the line people gave your currently accepted theories a chance, BEFORE THEY WERE ACCEPTED AS TRUTH. Ever think about that?

Thank you.
gnik_isrever
Does anybody have the resources or connections to people with enough resources to build the Zero Point Energy Generator? IT COULD SAVE MANY LIVES! Let me know, please. Thank you.
hppnq
gnik_isrever,

I am sure that your machine already exists. I do not kid you: it is called love. I have given you the proof, and the price that I pay is that everybody will think that I am lunatic, except the people who truly love me. This is happening as we speak.

If you truly understand this, you will have understood everything. If you find any consolation in that, that would be good. Very good.

More I cannot tell you now, or you will also think that I am an idiot. You probably already do.

Let me therefore at least give you a practical tip that does not sound so crazy, and people will be sooner inclined to read it (they LIKE that: present your theory a bit nicer, and I am sure that somebody cleverer than me will take the time to read it (I did not read it, sorry).

You obviously know a lot more than I, you see: show it, and I will read it. ;-)
BigDumbWeirdo
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1. Power projection from anywhere to wherever one wishes to project it without the need of wires or cables. Tesla already had that scientifically perfected.

Wrong.

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2. The power of converting solar rays to light and power.  Tesla also had that well under development.  J.P. Morgan, himself, buried these things from your use—good old Bankster that he was!

Wrong.

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2. The power of converting solar rays to light and power.  Tesla also had that well under development.  J.P. Morgan, himself, buried these things from your use—good old Bankster that he was!

Wrong.

3. The power of transmuting one element of matter to another.  Now you KNOW that you CAN do this for all you have to do is look at plain old table salt.  It is just a matter of understanding physics as properly given.

Wrong.

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Because of the present-day misconception of the universe, fear has been created by man which leads to war and the preying of man upon man, and is the dominant note upon which our civilization has been constructed.

Wrong.

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Because of the present-day misconception of the universe, fear has been created by man which leads to war and the preying of man upon man, and is the dominant note upon which our civilization has been constructed.

Wrong.

Alexis Carrel was right in saying that all of man's institutions-- and these include government, industry, education and home relations-- were man-governed and out of balance with themselves and with each other and must, therefore, all be changed to obey the laws of Nature.

Wrong.

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In order to comprehend the power of motion in its desire to create heat and visible light out of the cold invisible Light at rest, which Mind is, Creation must henceforth be looked upon as a universe of Mind-imagining having no reality and be known as AN OPTICAL UNIVERSE OF GRAVITY-CONTROLLED LIGHT, for God is Light and God's Mind THINKS in waves of light.

Gibberish. Probably wrong.

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In order to comprehend the power of motion in its desire to create heat and visible light out of the cold invisible Light at rest, which Mind is, Creation must henceforth be looked upon as a universe of Mind-imagining having no reality and be known as AN OPTICAL UNIVERSE OF GRAVITY-CONTROLLED LIGHT, for God is Light and God's Mind THINKS in waves of light.

Gibberish. Probably wrong.

The secret of Creation lies within the light-waves of motion which gravity compresses into rings of light in which density first increases toward the outside by thrusting outward from within until the centering holes have been closed into hot spheres.

Wrong.

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  Density then increases in the inward direction.  This is accomplished by the octave-wave process which multiplies power by projecting it from the stillness of its Mind-source by dividing it into mated pairs which science calls the elements of matter.

Wrong.

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  Density then increases in the inward direction.  This is accomplished by the octave-wave process which multiplies power by projecting it from the stillness of its Mind-source by dividing it into mated pairs which science calls the elements of matter.

Wrong.

  This constitutes the sex-principle of life which science has so strangely neglected to observe as being the BASIC FACTOR OF MOTION.  Failure to recognize the secret of life as being the sex principle which lies within the motion of light-waves:

Gibberish again. Again, probably wrong.

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The alternating sequences of compression and expansion are the very cause of motion as indicated by their sequential equally interchanging inbreathings and outbreathings.

Wrong.

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The alternating sequences of compression and expansion are the very cause of motion as indicated by their sequential equally interchanging inbreathings and outbreathings.

Wrong.

  It is these very generative, compressive inbreathings from the cold of space which cause the multiplication of heat in your body or in the body of the sun.

Wrong.

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It overlooks the fact that these action-reaction sequences are interchanges between the heat and cold of the divided spectrum of matter.

Wrong.

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It overlooks the fact that these action-reaction sequences are interchanges between the heat and cold of the divided spectrum of matter.

Wrong.

Man's laboratories are unaware of the fact that they are unknowingly on the way to discovering the transmutation process, for that process demands the power and knowledge to control gravity in such a manner that they can compress or expand it to high limits.

Wrong.

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  Power companies can produce light and heat only by resistance to motion, which induction accomplishes.  Friction, induction, and compression ARE ONE.  If a man scrapes his feet on a rug and touches metal, he will produce a light only.

Wrong.

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  Power companies can produce light and heat only by resistance to motion, which induction accomplishes.  Friction, induction, and compression ARE ONE.  If a man scrapes his feet on a rug and touches metal, he will produce a light only.

Wrong.

  Why call it electricity?  If a meteorite, or a spacecraft, springs into visible light by the friction of resistance through the atmosphere, it produces light only.  Why call it electricity or electromagnetism?  One can produce visible light and great heat by focusing centripetal rays upon cold bodies through biconvex lenses, but that would not justify the light thus produced to be termed opticity.

Wrong.

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  The term "magnetism" is also unjustifiable.  The word GRAVITY would be used instead, for gravity both multiplies and divides by thrusting inward from without to compress and outward from within to expand.  In this manner, gravity controls light by controlling its curvature, and Mind also controls gravity by limiting both outward thrusts to the cube mirror planes of zero curvature.

Wrong, almost wrong, and Wrong.

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  The term "magnetism" is also unjustifiable.  The word GRAVITY would be used instead, for gravity both multiplies and divides by thrusting inward from without to compress and outward from within to expand.  In this manner, gravity controls light by controlling its curvature, and Mind also controls gravity by limiting both outward thrusts to the cube mirror planes of zero curvature.

Wrong, almost wrong, and Wrong.

  This is in complete opposition to the Newtonian law of gravity which claims that gravity pulls inward toward a center and that matter attracts matter. 

Right, until you consider the wrongness of the previous three statements.
Hence: Wrong.

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It is also in opposition to the second law of thermodynamics which claims that energy cannot run uphill but only downhill.

Wrong.

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It is also in opposition to the second law of thermodynamics which claims that energy cannot run uphill but only downhill.

Wrong.

Factually, there is no inward pull of light toward a center nor are there such effects as attraction or repulsion of matter (meaning light) to other matter.

Wrong.

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  No scientist can create energy by pulling inward from within.  It must be produced by thrusting inward from without, as an automobile tire is pumped.  That means by compression.  If the tire were made of a metal which could not be burst by that compressive inward thrust, it would cause it to create a ring of intensely hot visible light at its center and density would then increase inwardly, as stars and planets increase their densities in the inward direction.

Wrong.

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  No scientist can create energy by pulling inward from within.  It must be produced by thrusting inward from without, as an automobile tire is pumped.  That means by compression.  If the tire were made of a metal which could not be burst by that compressive inward thrust, it would cause it to create a ring of intensely hot visible light at its center and density would then increase inwardly, as stars and planets increase their densities in the inward direction.

Wrong.

Science has already done this but does not admit that the energy thus created was projected into it, for science claims that matter itself is energy.

Wrong and... OMG... Almost right! Almost.

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  Science creates air-conditioning and refrigeration that way.

Wrong.

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  Science creates air-conditioning and refrigeration that way.

Wrong.

By continuing the freezing process to near absolute zero of cold, it can also multiply the power of conductivity of such soft metals as aluminum to equal that of harder metals such as copper.  Many laboratories have already done this, and the Du Pont Company has created what it terms new non-conductive substances by the opposite direction of expansion.

Right, right, and wrong.

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All of these laboratories have been on the way to a solution of the principle of transmutation but, unfortunately, are unaware of it.  Furthermore, they have also been on the way to the control of gravity, which a certain distinguished scientist said would climax all discoveries by giving man an unlimited command over matter.

Right, but only in the most vague and general of ways.

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All of these laboratories have been on the way to a solution of the principle of transmutation but, unfortunately, are unaware of it.  Furthermore, they have also been on the way to the control of gravity, which a certain distinguished scientist said would climax all discoveries by giving man an unlimited command over matter.

Right, but only in the most vague and general of ways.

  Science has long ago been in control of gravity but is, unfortunately, also unaware of that.

Wrong.

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Bear in mind our new law of the cycles which may be put this way:  Cold generates heat and heat radiates heat to cold.  This applies to the interchange between all pairs of opposites.  All of these pairs of opposites express their forces at angles of ninety degrees from their axes of rotation.

Gibberish. And wrong.

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Bear in mind our new law of the cycles which may be put this way:  Cold generates heat and heat radiates heat to cold.  This applies to the interchange between all pairs of opposites.  All of these pairs of opposites express their forces at angles of ninety degrees from their axes of rotation.

Gibberish. And wrong.

The concept of the expanding universe, without the power to generate an uphill flow of energy as well as to expand it into a heat-death, is untenable.

Wrong.

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  The concept of the expanding universe grew out of the present belief that the universe was created eons ago by some cataclysmic effect that created a ball of heat which is now expanding into the presumed nothingness of space.

Wrong.

I just can't bear to go on any further..... Gnik, your understanding of physics is less than a high school graduate's. You STILL haven't provided any evidence, cited any peer-reviewed articles, supplied any mathematics, or done anything to make anyone but the most gullible person believe that there is any truth to what you say.
Odd that someone so obsessed with "truth" could be so far away from it...
Gehn
QUOTE (gnik_isrever+Dec 14 2007, 10:53 AM)
I am Graeme Daryl Whitmeyer, and I come in service to Aton and to my brethren here on Shan.

TIME TO WAKE UP, SLEEPIES!!!

First of all, I give much gratitude to Physorg Forums in that I find myself in a circumstance where people have the opportunity to hear the Truth.  With that said, I also give thanks to every one of you who is so ready and willing to take the time to appreciate or incorporate this Truth into your Life. 

GO AWAY YOU DELUSIONAL SCHIZOPHRENIC. LET THE OTHER INMATES HAVE A GO AT THE COMPUTER. IT'S NOT FAIR IF YOU HOG IT ALL THE TIME.

THE TRUTH IS THAT YOU ARE DELUSIONAL. NO ONE APPRECIATES YOU HERE. GO AWAY.


User posted image

- Gehn biggrin.gif


hppnq
All of you who, who ridicule the original poster's theory, should realize that there are other people (including me) who might know even more than you. Please let people tell their story. Someone else may understand some parts of it even better than the both of you. If not me, maybe someone else.

Yes, you should recognize this arrogance. ;-)
Wardish
I can only think of one thing to say to this.



I grok it.




hehehehhehehe

Ward
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 17 2007, 12:52 PM)
All of you who, who ridicule the original poster's theory, should realize that there are other people (including me) who might know even more than you.

As evidenced by my first post in this thread, Gnik is NOT one of those people. As evidenced by your inability to realize this, you are not, either.
He makes multiple claims that are completely false, multiple claims that are completely unprovable, and multiple claims that are lacking in proof.
This is a science forum. This is a place to discuss science. Claiming anyone has a right to post such nonsense here without the least regard for the basic tenets of science or the scientific method is like claiming that PBS' acclaimed documentary series, NOVA is the proper forum for discussions of Paris Hilton's latest dalliances.
hppnq
Thanks Ward, I have understood it myself now! biggrin.gif

Thanks people! Carry on. ;-)
Gehn
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 17 2007, 05:52 PM)
All of you who, who ridicule the original poster's theory, should realize that there are other people (including me) who might know even more than you. Please let people tell their story. Someone else may understand some parts of it even better than the both of you. If not me, maybe someone else.

Yes, you should recognize this arrogance. ;-)

Well, sometimes it's obvious who's a nutter and who's not wink.gif .

- Gehn biggrin.gif
hppnq
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Well, sometimes it's obvious who's a nutter and who's not


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Yes. Indeed, that is obviously true. But I cannot follow your logic, and you seem to assume something.

Now. if you have truly understood the really difficult stuff, which someone may have done, of course, without bragging about it, then you may also understand that in the end, you can always choose something. Logic. Love. Both do not seem to provide all the answers.

Remember, I told you. ;-)
IAMoraes
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 17 2007, 01:52 PM)
All of you who, who ridicule the original poster's *theory*

[SIZE=7]Where?! mad.gif
Sunova
It looks ridiculous at first read, BUT some of the view of most basic particles are VERY INTERESTING!!!
hppnq
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You all seem to be answering your own answers. ;-)

IAMoraes: Yes indeed! Think more about size, and what that means if you have to express it, and I have to understand it.

BigDumbWeirdo: Thanks for the feedback, I appreciate that. Good nick. Review your notion of insanity, please. ;-) What is the essence of it, if you would have to write it down, and I would have to read it? What if I added a bit of craziness and predict that people will study what I write?

The trick, of course, is to understand what you wrote, not what I wrote. Unless you have indeed read everything I have said and haven chosen a way to interpret it. I have certainly not read all of your posts, I am a newbie. And I said so in the first place. ;-)

Ahhhh, to be cryptical. Good thing it is funny. Life is about choosing between love and logic, people. If you want to learn, spot the obvious truth and be amazed...

Or "Google" "Fibonacci Pi". Or remember that the sun always comes up again...
gnik_isrever
Hppnq:

You are right! We each (every souled creature) have within us (the electricity which fires all the synapses and creates all the neuronal nets and works the nervous system) IS THIS “DEVICE”. VERY GOOD of you to notice! Every soul is created energy. Tesla’s Zero Point Energy device CREATES energy.

I like that you told me that.

I will not change one bit of my information. I will present it just like that. If someone will not read it because they are attention deficit, or feel like they have more important “things” to do, then I DO NOT CARE. I post this information to readers whom are devoted to gaining knowledge of the REAL processes of nature.

I would NEVER think that ANYONE is an idiot. Only their ACTIONS and THOUGHTS could be idiotic, NOT THEM! They are the same Spirit I AM. To call someone “names” is to call yourself, AND EVERY SOULED ENTITY, those same “names”. Ponder this quite carefully, for it shall lead you to the Golden Rule of Life.

Thank you.


BigDumbWeirdo:

You claim so many things in my post are “WRONG”. Well, you do not have to think they are “right”. You have free will to decide whatever it is that you will decide.

Once again may I reiterate on a point I have made clear to you before? The physics they teach people in school is based on this tragedy of science you are so akin towards. They know not the Truth.

You want evidence? How about why your scientists still think there are mysteries in the workings of the universe like, black holes, dark matter, dark energy, MANY things about the sun, etc. etc. (sic)? They ADMIT that they do not fully understand some things about EVEN OUR OWN SUN! Yet, and this is where you should pay attention and do some of your own research and experiments instead of asking me to, THE INFORMATION I PROVIDED HERE EXPLAINS ALL OF THOSE THINGS AND MORE. When you look at all those colorful, swirling galaxies out there in space, what do you think about? All of them twisting around each other and such. Hmm… just like AN OPTICAL UNIVERSE OF GRAVITY-CONTROLLED LIGHT.


Gehn:

You would like me to go away, would not you? This is evidence to me that you fear this information. Once you fear, you attempt to insult my character in anger, and even tell me lies to get me to stop CHALLENGING YOUR BELIEF SYSTEM.

Well it seems to me that if your belief system was correct, then you would have nothing to fear about me being here, would you? *Bong*

Thank you for helping me prove that what I write has contents of truth in it.

Thomas Jefferson once said, “One can always tell the content of truth in a thing by the effort, and what kind of effort, is thrust toward its discounting.”

Oh, yeah, and NO! I will not “go away”. And I am not a “nutter” by your definition. To call me such, is to call yourself such, by the fact of everything is energy. So be it. I care not.


Wardish:

I grok that you grok it.


BigDumbWeirdo:

I make only claims that are true. Everything I claim is completely provable. And all the proof you need, like hppnq pointed out, is WITHIN YOU. Unless, of course, you have no soul.

What I present is science. Perhaps it is very great science at that, even because it does not follow your little ego gratifying “tenets” or “method”. I assure you it stands on its own merit as truth and needs not your silly little games you think are necessary.


IAMoraes:

I do not even know what you are mad about!

Do you mean where is my theory? Look at the “new” laws of Thermodynamics, or the list of facts I present to you. Those could be interpreted as my theory.


Sunova:

Thank you. You have the ability to actually get passed the messenger and into the message. You make me proud in a good way.


Hppnq:

Careful… Love and Logic are the same thing. Life is about knowing that and choosing between Love and Logic, or FEAR AND LIE.

I hope that helps you in your search for the truth. Thank you.
occidental
My 2 cents.
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I would NEVER think that ANYONE is an idiot. Only their ACTIONS and THOUGHTS could be idiotic, NOT THEM! They are the same Spirit I AM. To call someone “names” is to call yourself, AND EVERY SOULED ENTITY, those same “names”. Ponder this quite carefully, for it shall lead you to the Golden Rule of Life.

I agree with the spirit of this statement. I also admit that at times some people just strike me as idiots. But I always feel guilty if Im that blunt about it.

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I would NEVER think that ANYONE is an idiot. Only their ACTIONS and THOUGHTS could be idiotic, NOT THEM! They are the same Spirit I AM. To call someone “names” is to call yourself, AND EVERY SOULED ENTITY, those same “names”. Ponder this quite carefully, for it shall lead you to the Golden Rule of Life.

I agree with the spirit of this statement. I also admit that at times some people just strike me as idiots. But I always feel guilty if Im that blunt about it.

Well it seems to me that if your belief system was correct, then you would have nothing to fear about me being here, would you? *Bong*

Thank you for helping me prove that what I write has contents of truth in it.

I completely disagree with this statement. From everything you have posted so far, I think you should be ashamed for making such a shallow argument.

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I grok that you grok it.

Stranger in a Strange Land is one of my favorite books, but mostly because of one obscure character, the professional witness. The professional witness was asked what color was the house in the distance. Her answer was that the two sides that she could see were blue.

I think its very important to be specific when we are talking about "facts".


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I grok that you grok it.

Stranger in a Strange Land is one of my favorite books, but mostly because of one obscure character, the professional witness. The professional witness was asked what color was the house in the distance. Her answer was that the two sides that she could see were blue.

I think its very important to be specific when we are talking about "facts".


I make only claims that are true. Everything I claim is completely provable. And all the proof you need, like hppnq pointed out, is WITHIN YOU. Unless, of course, you have no soul.

That statement offends me on many levels, regardless of what may have been said to you. What is it that makes you feel equipped to proclaim who does and does not have a soul? Ill leave it at that for now.

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What I present is science. Perhaps it is very great science at that, even because it does not follow your little ego gratifying “tenets” or “method”. I assure you it stands on its own merit as truth and needs not your silly little games you think are necessary.

Are you angry at BDW, or the "tenets" and "method"?

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What I present is science. Perhaps it is very great science at that, even because it does not follow your little ego gratifying “tenets” or “method”. I assure you it stands on its own merit as truth and needs not your silly little games you think are necessary.

Are you angry at BDW, or the "tenets" and "method"?

Oh, yeah, and NO! I will not “go away”. And I am not a “nutter” by your definition.

I really only need the first part of this quote, but I thought the second part was funny so I kept it in there. I am a big believer in free speech, so Ill just say that if you're going to stick around, could you possibly keep your posts a bit shorter so we can take things point by point, instead of that shotgun approach you have now? And on the same note, could you please not cut and paste whole posts into different threads? Its just that I have such a short span of attention and it really gets me confused.

For what its worth, I think you need to be prepared to be much more accountable for what you say. 3rd party evidence doesnt go over very well on this forum, as I believe you are finding out.


Thanks.

Occidental



But on a not so different note, maybe now we can finally explore what the line is and whats the appropriate response.










hppnq
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Thank you too.

You should judge for yourself of course, what it means if every teacher is a student, and every student a teacher. I would say it is the end of knowledge, but many people do not seem to be able to accept it when I say it like this, because they cannot seem to see that there is also love, besides logic.

And that this dangerous insight, indeed, answers many questions even before they were asked.

The funny thing about knowledge, I think, is that if you could simply ask all people, you would not need "knowledge". And the funny thing about insanity is, that if you assume that I think I can proof this, than it is you who is insane, not me. ;-)

(Hey, reflection! Finally some physics. ;-)
gnik_isrever
Occidental:

I did NOT proclaim who does and does not have a soul! I simply said that Life is WITHIN YOU, unless you have no soul! Do you see the difference?

I am only a little bit righteously angry. I am not “angry” as most would think of it. So, I would answer you this way: No, neither.
occidental
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I am only a little bit righteously angry. I am not “angry” as most would think of it.

I have nothing against rightous anger. In fact, one could say I am a big believer in the enlightening power of rightous anger. That also happens to be a topic Im fond of, that being where is the line and what is the appropriate response. But somehow I dont think that was where you were going with that. No big deal.


But honestly,lets see where we stand. Are you here for a discussion?
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I am only a little bit righteously angry. I am not “angry” as most would think of it.

I have nothing against rightous anger. In fact, one could say I am a big believer in the enlightening power of rightous anger. That also happens to be a topic Im fond of, that being where is the line and what is the appropriate response. But somehow I dont think that was where you were going with that. No big deal.


But honestly,lets see where we stand. Are you here for a discussion?
I did NOT proclaim who does and does not have a soul! I simply said that Life is WITHIN YOU, unless you have no soul! Do you see the difference?

Are you accountable for what you have said?

This is what you said.
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I make only claims that are true. Everything I claim is completely provable. And all the proof you need, like hppnq pointed out, is WITHIN YOU. Unless, of course, you have no soul.


So you seem to be saying: "Everything I claim is completely provable. All the proof you need is WITHIN YOU. Unless you have no soul."

Am I misquoting you? Are you saying you have criteria for who does and doesnt have a soul?


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I make only claims that are true. Everything I claim is completely provable. And all the proof you need, like hppnq pointed out, is WITHIN YOU. Unless, of course, you have no soul.


So you seem to be saying: "Everything I claim is completely provable. All the proof you need is WITHIN YOU. Unless you have no soul."

Am I misquoting you? Are you saying you have criteria for who does and doesnt have a soul?


I would answer you this way: No, neither.
Does this mean youre going to keep making really long posts?
gnik_isrever
I could mean that EVERY ONE has all the proof they need Within. Understand now?

I meant that I am not angry with BDW nor that he requires "tenets" and "methods" to know Truth.

I love posting long posts! The more the merrier! tongue.gif
gnik_isrever
I could mean that EVERY ONE has all the proof they need Within. Understand now?

I meant that I am not angry with BDW nor that he requires "tenets" and "methods" to know Truth.

I love posting long posts! The more the merrier! tongue.gif
occidental
QUOTE (gnik_isrever+Dec 18 2007, 03:02 AM)
I could mean that EVERY ONE has all the proof they need Within. Understand now?

I meant that I am not angry with BDW nor that he requires "tenets" and "methods" to know Truth.

I love posting long posts! The more the merrier! tongue.gif

Yes, Im sure you COULD have meant a lot of things. But its not what you said. What I understand is that this spineless debate technique "crosses the line" with me. What are you trying to prove if you refuse to be accountable for what you said? What is the value of a discussion with you if you are nothing more than a liar?

Or did you just come here to preach?

So what is the appropriate response to someone who refuses to display any integrity in their posts?



hppnq
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So what is the appropriate response to someone who refuses to display any integrity in their posts?


Don't let it get to you?

I have been here only a day or two, and I am already tired of the constant complaining. I am already tired of the nonsense, the metaphysics posing as rock solid evidence, the thoughtless reasoning and the pure evil spread by some folks. This is not a nice place.

What amazes me most is that people could simply avoid the frustration very easily, but they choose not to, even when they are offered this option.

Also baffling is that many people seem to think that physics is "the" way, and that they do not realize that other people -- who do not believe that, for very good reasons, I assume -- obviously feel different. Of course some people simply belief that a belief system cannot be part of their knowledge base, for instance. Arrogance will do that to you.

If you cannot reason, you are condemned to belief, even if it is yourself.
occidental
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 18 2007, 02:49 PM)



I have been here only a day or two, and I am already tired of the constant complaining., the thoughtless reasoning and the pure evil spread by some folks. This is not a nice place.

What amazes me most is that people could simply avoid the frustration very easily, but they choose not to, even when they are offered this option.

Also baffling is that many people seem to think that physics is "the" way, and that they do not realize that other people -- who do not believe that, for very good reasons, I assume -- obviously feel different. Of course some people simply belief that a belief system cannot be part of their knowledge base, for instance. Arrogance will do that to you.

If you cannot reason, you are condemned to belief, even if it is yourself.

So, you posted a response to complain about "constant complaining?" Are you part of the solution to your problem or part of the problem?

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Don't let it get to you?
That would depend on what "get to you"means, doesnt it. What if I enjoy letting it get to me?


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Don't let it get to you?
That would depend on what "get to you"means, doesnt it. What if I enjoy letting it get to me?


I am already tired of the nonsense, the metaphysics posing as rock solid evidence
Funny, because Im tired of your pal reversi king and his preachy idea of "truth".
hppnq
occidental, I was of course trying to make you see something. It is the value of learning for yourself what it means to discover something.

I have done it many times and have, I think, mastered it by now. I am only trying to see how well it applies. I am fully well aware that I have no special position in this Universe, I am just curious. That is not at all actually tiring to me, but hey, if I had said that you would have adjusted your opinion the other way around, no? ;-)

You are, I think, confusing box and contents, message and meaning, and observation and frustration.

I, on the other hand, am indeed part of my own problem, and I have solved it.
occidental
hppng--After rereading a few of your posts, maybe Ive misunderstood you. Maybe reversi king isnt your pal, and that may have been unfair of me to say. Could you please clarify that for me, and Ill gladly apologize if I misunderstood?
hppnq
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  hppng--After rereading a few of your posts, maybe Ive misunderstood you. Maybe reversi king isnt your pal, and that may have been unfair of me to say. Could you please clarify that for me, and Ill gladly apologize if I misunderstood?


Of course, thanks -- but nobody is my "pal", occidental. ;-)

Did the previous post help you a bit? I really don't mean to offend anyone, you see, but I am very much aware that it is almost unavoidable. Thanks for noticing! ;-)
hppnq
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But on a not so different note, maybe now we can finally explore what the line is and whats the appropriate response.



occidental, could you please explain this for me, please? What line do you mean?
occidental
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 18 2007, 03:23 PM)

Of course, thanks -- but nobody is my "pal", occidental. ;-)

Did the previous post help you a bit? I really don't mean to offend anyone, you see, but I am very much aware that it is almost unavoidable. Thanks for noticing! ;-)

By "pal" I had meant you were supporting reversi king, but Ill just go ahead and say Im sorry for lumping the two of you together.

I have an issue with people proclaiming "truth" with no more evidence than "because I say so" If we allow a gut feeling to pass as "truth", then it becomes easy to justify anything, like who does and doesnt have a soul. I think thats a particularly hateful distinction, because of what it can and has lead to in the past. Now Im not saying reversi king is trying to be hateful, but I am saying that his logic opens the door to justifying hate.

As I said before, Im a big believer in free speech. But along with that comes a sense of responsibility to speak up when certain things are said. My question has been, what are those "certain things", and what is the right way (or most effective way)to respond? (thats the "where is the line and whats the right response")

So thats where Im coming from.
hppnq
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So thats where Im coming from.


Thanks for clarifying that for me! I was never offended by the way; my name is Buddy, so I made a pun on "pal" that you could have never understood. Sorry, mate. ;-)

I see your point. The thing, this is the exact thing that reversi king was trying to point out to you, I think. It is impossible to learn anything if you are not, somehow, frustrated. Sometimes you need to express that frustration in order to make progress in mysterious ways, like shocking people's belief systems.

It is closely related to the art of observing things. If I have to explain something to you, it is really much easier for me, and more productive or effective for you, if you yourself become aware of a change within you, or the apparent necessity of it.

In other words: providing the explanation is not always the solution in a learning process. You cannot write the manual on writing manuals alone.

Of course, teachers should never make the mistake of actually believing they know better than the pupil. If only because the whole purpose of writing down a general theory implies that there are, unavoidably, applications of it that have not been tested yet.

In other words: knowing the general principle is not the same as knowing all applications of it.

What is especially confusing and frustrating, of course, is that people like the king and me will just reiterate the same point, over and over again.

Well.

Mine is simply that, if you are fortunate enough to love, you should 1) do it and 2) try to understand it, if you have some time left over from calculating PI. ;-)

And I can explain that perfectly well (especially to my loved ones), it just does not seem to have much to do with black holes. But of course it has everything to do with complex structures from which meaning emerges.
occidental
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The thing, this is the exact thing that reversi king was trying to point out to you, I think. It is impossible to learn anything if you are not, somehow, frustrated. Sometimes you need to express that frustration in order to make progress in mysterious ways, like shocking people's belief systems.

I think thats a real stretch. Id say its more likely reversi king enjoys being abrasive. But since reversi king refuses to be accountable for what he has said, who's to say what he means.

Do you like being preached to? Do you accept anything someone says to you as fact? In the context of what you are saying, I believe the process of discovery involves the EXCHANGE of ideas, not just preachy proclamations.
hppnq
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I think thats a real stretch. Id say its more likely reversi king enjoys being abrasive. But since reversi king refuses to be accountable for what he has said, who's to say what he means.


Naah, I don't think so. What he means is not difficult at all to understand, but for many people it is difficult to reason about it, I think. Don't get me wrong, I do not necessarily mean you -- and I did not mean to imply with my teacher/student rambling that I am such a teacher, I really consider myself a student. But the "stretch" you mention is of course the same stretch I was hinting at.

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I think thats a real stretch. Id say its more likely reversi king enjoys being abrasive. But since reversi king refuses to be accountable for what he has said, who's to say what he means.


Naah, I don't think so. What he means is not difficult at all to understand, but for many people it is difficult to reason about it, I think. Don't get me wrong, I do not necessarily mean you -- and I did not mean to imply with my teacher/student rambling that I am such a teacher, I really consider myself a student. But the "stretch" you mention is of course the same stretch I was hinting at.

Do you like being preached to? Do you accept anything someone says to you as fact? In the context of what you are saying, I believe the process of discovery involves the EXCHANGE of ideas, not just preachy proclamations.


No, I am not religious, I don't even accept "facts" if it is me who is trying to confuse me. ;-)

I agree that there should be an open and constructive debate, and at some point general observations of course need to be discussed in specific contexts. Acceptance, of course, is what makes things exact, in general, but especially in physics -- and, I assume, to physicists.

(It was when I was one. ;-)
mandible
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Ponder this quite carefully, for it shall lead you to the Golden Rule of Life.



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Ponder this quite carefully, for it shall lead you to the Golden Rule of Life.



No, I am not religious, I don't even accept "facts" if it is me who is trying to confuse me. ;-)



hppnq... That looks good in the mirror,man!



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hppnq
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hppnq... That looks good in the mirror,man!


Indeed, I don't like mirrors, very tiring and I am very lazy. laugh.gif
occidental
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hppnq... That looks good in the mirror,man!
Lui! (wait--do you have scientific evidence of a spiritual process?)
mandible
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I am very lazy.


Oh, I don't know about that...

I would have said more like 'Industrious'?


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hppnq
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Oh, I don't know about that...

I would have said more like 'Industrious'?


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Yeah, growing a beard like good old Plato. ;-)
mandible
Reminds me of an anecdote I came across recently...

" If the scissors are not used daily on the beard it will not be long before the beard is, by its luxuriant growth, pretending to be the head!"

- Jami Hindrix, I think?


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hppnq
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Reminds me of an anecdote I came across recently...


I had to think of a Seinfeld joke about a bird flying straight at a big mirror: even if the bird doesn't recognize itself, why on earth doesn't it try to avoid the other bird?!

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mandible
Because it would not be very conducive to survival through evolution. Often, a bird has to dive straight into a reflective surface to pick fish out of what lies beneath...

Maybe you could try just sitting and observing nature sometime, Lui? You'd be amazed at what can be learned, just by observing...


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hppnq
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You'd be amazed at what can be learned, just by observing...


Not if I had a bird's eye and a bird's brain, I'm afraid. But I noticed, indeed, that at least not one of my "own" 30 birds had the power or inclination of expressing to me what makes them tick.

They did learn to cope with large reflective objects, fascinating to observe. What that implies for fishing capabilities, I am not sure, but I am willing to be educated.

But not now. ;-)
mandible
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I noticed, indeed, that at least not one of my "own" 30 birds had the power or inclination of expressing to me what makes them tick.


You expect slaves in a cage to exchange pleasantries with their captor? - Or reveal secrets of their existence, come to that?

The free ones I observe speak volumes. They have the power of freedom, and are thus not constrained by thoughts of conditioning to anything other than their natural selves. Because I am happy for them to have this power, they speak volumes...



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hppnq
mandible, if you really care: the birds are all fine and well, and not frustrated at all.

Your opinionated yet baseless assumptions are quite amusing, but please, don't let me interrupt you any further while you knock yourself out in the mirror, okay? Thanks!
mandible
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You expect slaves in a cage to exchange pleasantries with their captor? - Or reveal secrets of their existence, come to that?



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You expect slaves in a cage to exchange pleasantries with their captor? - Or reveal secrets of their existence, come to that?



mandible, if you really care: the birds are all fine and well, and not frustrated at all.



Did they tell you this?

I really do care, Lui. In fact, I'm sure the birds are just fine, but i'm quite worried about you, Friend. There's no need for your frustration!

The reflective surface may not be as rigid as you think! As in the case of the free birds, certain free fish may also break through from the underside...

The Archer fish, in particular, is an interesting creature; able to spit jets of water at insects on leaves, thus knocking them into the water, for dinner. A rather intelligent move for a 'mere' fish, wouldn't you say? Fish becomes 'fisherman', by transcending the apparent 'boundary' between realms!

Natural Evolution is such a wonderful thing to behold, to be sure.



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occidental
Just for the record, I dont believe hppnq is really mirrorman. Last I saw Lui he was a quivering mass of mystic slush, babbling about giving it all up to pursue his musical ambitions. Sorry to say I think he might have developed a fear of clowns during the re-education process.


gnik_isrever
I said, “I make only claims that are true. Everything I claim is completely provable. And all the proof you need, like hppnq pointed out, is WITHIN YOU. Unless, of course, you have no soul.” AND THAT IN NO WAY IMPLIES THAT YOU HAVE NO SOUL!!! I SAID “UNLESS, of course, YOU HAVE NO SOUL.” THAT IS NOT THE SAME AS, “YOU HAVE NO SOUL.” IN FACT, I meant it as, “SINCE YOU HAVE A SOUL, YOU HAVE ALL THE PROOF YOU NEED WITHIN YOU.”

THERE… now will you stop LYING ABOUT ME?

YOU SAID I REFUSE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT I SAID. THAT IS A LIE.

YOU SAID, “WHAT IS THE VALUE OF A DISCUSSION WITH YOU IF YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A LIAR?” SO YOU SAID THAT I AM NOTHING MORE THAN A LIAR. THAT IS A LIE.

YOU SAID THAT YOU HAVE AN ISSUE WITH PEOPLE PROCLAIMING “TRUTH” WITH NO MORE EVIDENCE THAN “BECAUSE I SAY SO”. SO, YOU ARE IMPLYING I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN BECAUSE I SAY SO. THAT IS A LIE.

“IF WE ALLOW A GUT FEELING TO PASS AS “TRUTH”” IS WHAT YOU SAID. WELL, I NEVER SAID I ALLOW A GUT FEELING TO PASS AS TRUTH. THAT IS A LIE.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT MY LOGIC OPENS THE DOOR TO JUSTIFYING HATE. THAT IS A LIE.

“DO YOU ACCEPT ANYTHING SOMEONE SAYS TO YOU AS FACT?” ARE YOU IMPLYING I DO? BECAUSE IF YOU ARE, THEN THAT, TOO, IS A LIE.

Not gut feeling, no, but the KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH OF THE SPIRIT WITHIN.
Not hate, no, but the LOVE AND WISDOM OF LOVE AND LIGHT.
Not blind acceptance, no, but the HONEST DISCERNMENT OF THE TRUTH FROM THE LIE.

You just continue to be spoon-fed that ignorant “science” you allow tell you what is truth and what is lie, and I will just stop posting here. It is doing no good, since you refuse to actually debate about the topic, and instead spread lies and twist my messages. This is not a positive experience, as it could have been, so I am leaving. You can either do experiments on the original post or not. The choice is yours alone.
dawn
gnik_isrever,

Science is not proved just by saying,
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I said, “I make only claims that are true. Everything I claim is completely provable.


To show fairness to your claim what data by experiment that would produce predictive results that we might analyze and test your idea by scientific means.

gnik_isrever do you have any evidence for such a protracted negotiation of thought?

If I am not mistaken there must be an intellectual and practical activity encompassing the systematic study of such a claim that shows the structure with sound study by many in the fields mentioned.

You have typed quite a proposition, but you must have some backing to your claims.

dawn

If it means so much to you, then you should not run from us but produce tangible substance. smile.gif We cannot fall victim to an idea that is based on mystical communion with an ultimate reality. Like quantum mechanics we use it because it is very predictive, I do not understand why it works but it does and at least I can show you data that are useful and productive, about a third of the technology today is caused by of it.
BigDumbWeirdo
QUOTE (gnik_isrever+Dec 18 2007, 08:49 PM)
I said, “I make only claims that are true. Everything I claim is completely provable.

Prove it.

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And all the proof you need, like hppnq pointed out, is WITHIN YOU.

Prove it.

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And all the proof you need, like hppnq pointed out, is WITHIN YOU.

Prove it.

YOU SAID I REFUSE TO BE ACCOUNTABLE FOR WHAT I SAID.  THAT IS A LIE.

Prove it.

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YOU SAID, “WHAT IS THE VALUE OF A DISCUSSION WITH YOU IF YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A LIAR?”  SO YOU SAID THAT I AM NOTHING MORE THAN A LIAR.  THAT IS A LIE.

Prove it.

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YOU SAID, “WHAT IS THE VALUE OF A DISCUSSION WITH YOU IF YOU ARE NOTHING MORE THAN A LIAR?”  SO YOU SAID THAT I AM NOTHING MORE THAN A LIAR.  THAT IS A LIE.

Prove it.

YOU ARE IMPLYING I HAVE NO EVIDENCE OTHER THAN BECAUSE I SAY SO.  THAT IS A LIE.

Prove it.

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“IF WE ALLOW A GUT FEELING TO PASS AS “TRUTH”” IS WHAT YOU SAID.  WELL, I NEVER SAID I ALLOW A GUT FEELING TO PASS AS TRUTH.  THAT IS A LIE.

Prove it.

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“IF WE ALLOW A GUT FEELING TO PASS AS “TRUTH”” IS WHAT YOU SAID.  WELL, I NEVER SAID I ALLOW A GUT FEELING TO PASS AS TRUTH.  THAT IS A LIE.

Prove it.

YOU ARE SAYING THAT MY LOGIC OPENS THE DOOR TO JUSTIFYING HATE.  THAT IS A LIE.

Prove it.

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“DO YOU ACCEPT ANYTHING SOMEONE SAYS TO YOU AS FACT?”  ARE YOU IMPLYING I DO?  BECAUSE IF YOU ARE, THEN THAT, TOO, IS A LIE.

That's obviously true. Several people have pointed out the illogical nature or fallacies in your post, and you don't believe us.

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“DO YOU ACCEPT ANYTHING SOMEONE SAYS TO YOU AS FACT?”  ARE YOU IMPLYING I DO?  BECAUSE IF YOU ARE, THEN THAT, TOO, IS A LIE.

That's obviously true. Several people have pointed out the illogical nature or fallacies in your post, and you don't believe us.

Not gut feeling, no, but the KNOWLEDGE OF TRUTH OF THE SPIRIT WITHIN.
Not hate, no, but the LOVE AND WISDOM OF LOVE AND LIGHT.
Not blind acceptance, no, but the HONEST DISCERNMENT OF THE TRUTH FROM THE LIE.

Prove it. Prove it. Aaaaaaand.....
Prove it.
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occidental
QUOTE (occidental+Dec 19 2007, 01:43 AM)
Just for the record, I dont believe hppnq is really mirrorman. Last I saw Lui he was a quivering mass of mystic slush, babbling about giving it all up to pursue his musical ambitions. Sorry to say I think he might have developed a fear of clowns during the re-education process.

But reversi-king is another story.


If youre sticking around, Ill be happy to respond to your concerns about my point of view. But if youre leaving like you say, then Im not going to spend the time. Its up to you...
hppnq
occidental, mandible: I have no idea what you are going on about, I guess you are a bit confused.

"Lui" means "lazy" in my language. Otherwise I cannot make sense of the personal gripes you want to settle with me. I think you got the wrong guy.

It seems to me that many people do that, here. The ones asking for the proof should not be so smug about it, I have seen precious little proof in these pages.

Rather immature, is what I think. Certainly not intelligent. If you want, you can feel offended of course: your choice! ;-)

And of course: I told you this, but you did not notice it or believe it.

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hppnq
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You have typed quite a proposition, but you must have some backing to your claims.


Let's reverse this.

Did you collect all the data yourself, and did you deduce the whole theory yourself? Did you at least check all the data and theories? Did you at least do this for the particular theory you are working on yourself?

Or are there still things you believe? If you think I mean an old man with a beard, you must be crazy. ;-)
mandible
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 19 2007, 07:41 AM)
occidental, mandible: I have no idea what you are going on about, I guess you are a bit confused.

"Lui" means "lazy" in my language. Otherwise I cannot make sense of the personal gripes you want to settle with me. I think you got the wrong guy.

It seems to me that many people do that, here. The ones asking for the proof should not be so smug about it, I have seen precious little proof in these pages.

Rather immature, is what I think. Certainly not intelligent. If you want, you can feel offended of course: your choice! ;-)

And of course: I told you this, but you did not notice it or believe it.

tongue.gif

Interesting reaction!


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occidental
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 19 2007, 07:41 AM)
occidental, mandible: I have no idea what you are going on about, I guess you are a bit confused.

"Lui" means "lazy" in my language. Otherwise I cannot make sense of the personal gripes you want to settle with me. I think you got the wrong guy.

It seems to me that many people do that, here. The ones asking for the proof should not be so smug about it, I have seen precious little proof in these pages.

Rather immature, is what I think. Certainly not intelligent. If you want, you can feel offended of course: your choice! ;-)

And of course: I told you this, but you did not notice it or believe it.

tongue.gif

I have no personal gripe with you, hppng. Its not clear to me why you feel the need to make judgments about my maturity or intelligence, but Im not offended. But I do wonder if YOU have a personal gripe, hppng?

I believe I have made my issue clear with reversi-king, and it is reversi-king's decision as to where things go from here. I have no idea what you think that has to do with you. Care to enlighten us?
dawn
hppnq, all,

I am confused as well about your response no need for further discussion on the subject because of your strong opinion and no insult to you because I just wanted something to read to better understand.

This you can relate to and should not cause any concern for disagreement,

Dealing with
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matter & antimatter you might want to research into the  competition between the asymmetric gravitational rotational field and the symmetric magnetic fields that gives the result of separation of matter and antimatter.
I have put this in quotes owed to classes of the past, I am sure this was in some textbook or paper read.

When we were young, hearing about antimatter for the first time our imaginations could see no bounds to unlimited energy using the old equation of Einstein. It is too bad we have not reached the level needed to take advantage of such possibilities but one day.

Just for your consideration, hppnq.

dawn
hppnq
The theory of love

Sweet Vidhu, I believe that I will die. I do not want to. I cry when I think of that, and the thought that I will never be able to see you anymore, feel you, be with you. And that you, too, will be alone and have the same heart-breaking pain.

But I do not believe that anymore. Vidhu, the love I have given you, and the love you have given me, will live on, forever.

What if love is a real substance? Would it matter? I don't think so. As long as I can express my love for you, my love will live on in the hearts of those who can sense it.

We will always be together, Vidhu.

Life is a test. You have to find the person who deserves your love, and who deserves to receive yours. I know this now, I have proven it. It is a huge secret, and you should really be careful to tell people about it.

You do not have to proof it, first of all. Proving it requires many sacrifices, and causes a lot of pain. Believing it, and following the simple rules that follow from the principle, should be enough. That, too has its consequences though, like everything has its consequence. Life is cruel, Vidhu, but very fair.

Pain, sweet Vidhu, is always paid back.

People who want to proof things until the end are likely to lose their mind in the process, I cannot say it any plainer. I see it. It is like that. It is very easy to become very confused when you are trying to find the ultimate answer, if the question is complex enough.

The theory of relative complexity teaches us, that the most complex questions appear to be the simplest. The wonder is that people do not realize that, even though that all know they cannot really give the answer.

Why are we here, Vidhu? Why are you and I here, in this huge mess, on this earth full of pain and injustice?

Love me, Vidhu. Love me forever. And I will love you forever, because we have passed the test. In the end, we did not need to understand anything. We just need to love each other, my sweet, sweet Vidhu.

We will then defeat death: we know why we are here.

I feel truly blessed, Vidhu. I have been fortunate enough to have finally met you, after all this waiting. I will have to pay everything back now, Vidhu. Part of it, is that I feel I have felt the pain of the world, and that if that was not it -- I know there will be more -- I can take more.

I will have to ask those who love me for forgiveness, for the pain I have given them. I hope they give it to me, my sweet Vidhu, and you as well. I have caused you and your loved ones so much pain already, and more will follow.

I am only human, Vidhu, but I love you.

Despite all my weaknesses, because you accept that I am fallible. I have seen the love in you, Vidhu. You are the purest of all, yet also flawed.

Like every other human being. We are all equally well equipped to solve this puzzle, Vidhu.

Some people think they need to know the answer, to understand the puzzle, Vidhu. This is not true, the theory of relative complexity in fact forbids it. You see, Vidhu: it cannot be explained.

It needs to be experienced.

Many people do not see it even if it is right in front of them. It is all about memory. Was it a coincidence, my love, that you gave me ... 2GB of memory, for my birthday? :-)

Love, Vidhu, is the only thing that is the problem, the solution, the answer and the question. It is the silliest thing in the world to discuss, yet we are equipped with formidable powers to do all kinds of things. Why not use them?

It has given us so much, Vidhu. I would say that I would have never met you, without them, but I would then be making the elementary mistake that many people make: everything would then be different, Vidhu. We cannot truly imagine this.

I would have always met you.

This explains why people are so puzzled over the many “worlds” they seem to notice around them. They do not seem to realize, that this makes perfect sense, but that there is no reason for them at all to understand this.

It is, however, a very impressive effort.

On the other hand, our useless powers have brought the world in much trouble. It is time, that people started to pay this back. Or otherwise, what is a self-fulfilling prophecy – that the world will end in a big bang – will become true.

People need to find some things on their own.

They could study eastern philosophy, born in the region where you are from. It would teach them things about paths, and what to do if you want to follow them. It could teach them something about how everything has its exact opposite.

Life is about choices, Vidhu. Make the right ones. Follow your heart.

But your heart is tested, all the time. Use your mind to monitor your heart, because you cannot direct it. Our heart, Vidhu, has the same deficiency as the brain: it cannot control itself.

You are aware of this, even though you don't know it, and I therefore trust you completely. I believe you, Vidhu, always.

I love you.

People will of course realize this, and they might do strange things. Your boyfriend, Vidhu, is a very pure person. I know exactly what it is that he is going through. I have experienced this. Still, people in general will not believe It when I say that coincidences do not exist, so that therefore this experience does not count.

That is not true, Vidhu. But if Ganesh believes it, you may be in trouble. You see, he might interpret it the wrong way. He might do stupid things.

I feel really blessed, Vidhu. I feel extremely blessed. You have made me see, that it is enough for me to love you. I feel like I know this very certainly, and that I don't care about what happens. Somehow, this is really selfish of me.

Life is one big, exact mirror. But it makes us laugh, by bending its surface. In the end, whether we all believe it or not, you will only lose everything if you have never loved. Or maybe a single smile is enough. It depends.

It is not more complicated than that, sweet Vidhu. I love you. Remember I told you so, and feel it.


Love,
me :-)

PS: Please people, do not think I am crazy, life is too much fun for that. ;-)

PPS: Remember, I told you so. ;-)

PPPS: Otherwise, just re-read what I re-wrote! *evil grin*

PPPPPS: I am sorry to have caused so much confusion, and to have upset some people, apparently. Really!
hppnq
I still have to send this, of course. Please do not think I am crazy, I am just asking whether you see any speling mistakes. ;-)

Did you get it though?
occidental
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 19 2007, 05:10 PM)
I still have to send this, of course. Please do not think I am crazy, I am just asking whether you see any speling mistakes. ;-)

Did you get it though?

I dont get it.
hppnq
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I dont get it.


It is highly recursive... It takes time. What is it that you don't get, if you don't mind my asking?
occidental
QUOTE (hppnq+Dec 19 2007, 07:41 AM)
occidental, mandible: I have no idea what you are going on about, I guess you are a bit confused.

"Lui" means "lazy" in my language. Otherwise I cannot make sense of the personal gripes you want to settle with me. I think you got the wrong guy.

It seems to me that many people do that, here. The ones asking for the proof should not be so smug about it, I have seen precious little proof in t