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Doug Huffman
http://www.physorg.com/news101287298.html

2060 is close to the Mayan calculation of 13.0.0.0.0 or 12/20/2012 in GMT notation.

Were they on to something? Are you shriven? The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.
jordan zuker
I think the end is much nearer as you can see the signs the bees are dying global warming is happening it almost the end dry.gif.
pj
Yes the dying of the bees is surely a sign of the apocalypse. People have probably predicted the end of the world since the beginning of language.
tikay
Are you shriven? wow...they're probably just shrift. laugh.gif
What sucks the most is that the end of humankind will probably come at the hands of humankind...some irony.
Sure it could be a killer comet but I think there is divine intervention there (just shriven)...maybe if there is a divine law against interfereing in the process of humans on a grand scale. Otherwise ~ oh hell forget it.
(It could get really long and drawn out if I let it) rolleyes.gif
Jadxia
Every turn of the century, every new invention, signals some folk to claim the 'end is nigh'

Only HONEYBEES are dying. If anyone would look into native pollinators of North American, honeybees are not included in the list. Honeybees are prone to all manner of illnesses anyway, and being non-native to an entire continent probably doesn't help much in this instance.

What, really, constitutes 'the end of the world'? Does it mean the 'end of all life as we know it'? Because if that's the case, the end of the world happened when the computer was invented, or the automobile, or the telephone. Does it mean the 'end of all life' period? The universe is a big place, my friends, and life somewhere must be out there. Humans are, in the realm of universal things, mini-microscopic, barely a blip in the radar of life.

So what we are really saying is, the end of life as I know it, MY life. In which case, folks, the world is going to end for you and I in less than a hundred years anyway. We are, all of us, going to die. You are going to die, and so are your children if you have any. Accept this, rather than running scared, and all manner of things become open.

Jade
NotAnotherNakedGirl.com
unknownuser31
We won't know for another 53 years.
Guest_joe
so many adds i wanna puke. I can't even read the article
Guest_Scott
what a bunch of pessimists...
j-romz-OE
Doom predictions are a dime a dozen.

I don't believe that on that date physics will not just stop and screw around everyone, or the earth will just decide to stop working.

The sun will go nova in a few billion years, for longer than the 2020 prediction.

If we're royally screwed its because of our own doing. Going to wars or maybe screwing with the moon and blowing it up maybe the reason we'd end or if one race or religion decides to wipe out the other. There's not going to be a supernatural end of humanity, we're going to do that ourselves.

Just be good in the life you have and if it does happen, at least you have no regrets. Until then, just continue on enjoying life.
Guest_Jerry
Old men see their end coming and ot believe the world can go on without them. This is when prophets are born, old men that foretell the end is near.

In fact the young find a way to deal with what is left them, nature finds a way.

The earth has supported life for millions of years, and we have been here a short while. In total percentagewise we are no closer to the end now then we were 5000 years ago. We just observe our population as old inhabitants becasue of our relativly short lifespan. Then with the notion of old inhabitants we project a demise on ourselves. The danger with this projection is that it stops us from rationally dealing with problems and projecting an end in any event. In fact we should be planning for a long term future,
Guest_Jerry
Old men see their end coming and cannot believe the world can go on without them.

Sorry for the error above.
Guest_jim
Newton believed in Alchemy (a misguided belief that it was possible to turn non-precious metals into gold) and once stared at the sun as long as he could (as part of an experiment) until he went temporarily blind. I wouldn't put much stock in his prediction. Still he is one of the most outstanding gay scientists in history.
Natalic
12/21/2012:) Mayan prophecy

All I can say. Interesting none the less.
Natalic
QUOTE (Natalic+Jun 18 2007, 02:51 AM)
12/21/2012:) Mayan prophecy

All I can say. Interesting none the less.

Excuse me, not the end, but a change.

We currently live in Kayuga, the age of Darkness and Ignorance. We'll see what happens in 2060...This intrigues me.
N O M
And in 5 years time will there be all these Mayan's wandering around going "Why are we still here?"?
Darleen
No one can predict when the world will end. It's all BS. Humans are messing up the planet and people just go "Oh it's a sign of the times, the end is near!!!" The best thing that could happen to the world is the destruction of all human life. Then the world would be able to return to normal.
craigR
QUOTE (Guest_jim+Jun 18 2007, 02:47 AM)
Still he is one of the most outstanding gay scientists in history.

Newton may have made some wild forecasts about the end of the world but his sexual orientation is hardly relevant. Besides which he was originally engaged to Anne Storey. Anyway, totally agree about the Bees, they are certainly signal the end is nigh.
The end of human life ...!
It will by a nuclear explosion unsure.gif
johnriven
QUOTE (Darleen+Jun 18 2007, 03:06 AM)
The best thing that could happen to the world is the destruction of all human life. Then the world would be able to return to normal.

Are you and I not a product of the world and at least a part of it up to now? It's obvious humans are a natural part of a natural world or else we wouldn't be here. Unless you subscribe to alien plant theory, or Genesis I suppose.
Maybe you meant Earth more in general, but even then the idea seems pretty simplistic. I'm sure they're taking volunteers if you'd care to show the way.
ramesh1
Is Newton was expert on all subject?
Every expert had some limit, this foolist to believe what celebrity said on any subject,.
newguy
To better understand what Newton ACTUALLY SAID, you might want to check out the following link:

http://216.239.51.104/search?q=cache:Dw911...clnk&cd=3&gl=us

Take care.
tikay
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 17 2007, 07:55 PM)
And in 5 years time will there be all these Mayan's wandering around going "Why are we still here?"?



Everyone who believes that date to be "the end of man" should look into astrology more deeply. The end of an age is not the end of time...it is merely the beginning of the next age.

I believed it for a long time, that they were onto something, there is no shame in wondering, but please continue to plan your future as if life will go on!
And try not to scare the kids! Whats with all this cutting and youthful protest with self-mutilation and the depression and darkness....I believe it come from them wondering in fear of these things. I think many children plan not to have children because people have propagated these myths of doom. Look at whats being put on film about the "FUTURE" as if we don't create it everyday. Where is joy and love and sweetness?

Where are the movies with magical, wonderful futures? They don't exist...it is disgusting, you ask me. I wish they would give at least a 50/50 scenario in some of the flicks these days. We need to get out of fear and into faith in a beautiful future, and the crux is, that we have to participate by making it come to fruition, not sit round waiting for whatever, we have to move on the now to create the future we want. What the hell is up hollywood, no imagination? I can see many beautiful potentials for our future as humans if everyone doesn't fall prey to the madness of one ending...it is mass hypnosis, done at a surreal subliminal (subhuman) level , and we mustn't buy into it.

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123123
zzzzzzzzzzzz plagiarism
Goonsberry
No.... what really sucks is that when humans are gone nothing will miss them.
Serenader
yeh...The end is near behold I am gona FART.
whatever
In the entire article, there are only a couple of lines mentioning that 'Netwon wrote blah blah in a letter'. The rest of the article just talks about who Newton is.

I have strong feeling that Newton's quotes are purposely being taken out of context by this article. Perhaps the reporter/author could expand on what exactly has been written in the letter, what is the context for this statement, why was it written, to whom, etc?
MrRobotAnger
Jadxia - great comment, couldn't agree more. I think it would truly take a miracle to save us at this point. In the late 90's, I heard some scientist guy say that the coming environmental catastrophe is like an oil-tanker. It is head for the coast at full stream, and there will come a point where it will be too close to stop, a point of no return, if you will. Fater that, there is no stopping it.

I believe we have passed it.
KB6
You guys are SO late to the game!
The world has already ended several times over. Don't believe me? Look here:

http://www.religioustolerance.org/end_wrl2.htm

tongue.gif
Wolf
Whatever happens (or doesn't), see y'all in the Sixth World
OldWoman1904
the earth has come to an end many times..it's like 6 billion years old right???

but isnt it true that over 90% of this time, that life was limited to one celled organisms?

so if it did end.....it was just bacteria anyway....

so if the sun is middle aged, the earth is too....how mighty we think we are....by declaring that we have the ability to "end the earth".....

end us....some animals would probably dance on our graves.... tongue.gif

and about the mayan's.....they studied the stars allright....the kings did.....
and they kept it secret....so they could appear godlike, by predicting comets, eclipses...etc....a tool for deception...

so anything they say about the end of the world could be taken with a grain of salt...ya know?

but they day dec 21, 2012......that's the end...

so, it's interesting that on that day, our planet crosses the horizontal axis of the galaxy.....i guess a couple years ago, we came within miles of the exact point of crossover....

now, guys, could the magnetic field flip?

people say this crossing of the horizontal axis has happened before, but nobody says when.....not even an estimate....but i have heard that the magnetic field has flipped......was it 20 thousand years ago? anybody know about that?

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adoucette
If you REALLY beleive this, then you should go buy the nicest house you can find and get a VERY LOW RATE ARM, with negative amortization and a huge balloon payment that is not due for FIVE YEARS.

laugh.gif

Arthur

OldWoman1904
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 18 2007, 06:58 AM)
the earth has come to an end many times..it's like 6 billion years old right???

but isnt it true that over 90% of this time, that life was limited to one celled organisms?

so if it did end.....it was just bacteria anyway....

so if the sun is middle aged, the earth is too....how mighty we think we are....by declaring that we have the ability to "end the earth".....

end us....some animals would probably dance on our graves.... tongue.gif

and about the mayan's.....they studied the stars allright....the kings did.....
and they kept it secret....so they could appear godlike, by predicting comets, eclipses...etc....a tool for deception...

so anything they say about the end of the world could be taken with a grain of salt...ya know?

but they day dec 21, 2012......that's the end...

so, it's interesting that on that day, our planet crosses the horizontal axis of the galaxy.....i guess a couple years ago, we came within miles of the exact point of crossover....

now, guys, could the magnetic field flip?

people say this crossing of the horizontal axis has happened before, but nobody says when.....not even an estimate....but i have heard that the magnetic field has flipped......was it 20 thousand years ago? anybody know about that?

blink.gif

who me? huh.gif

believe what?

are you a real estate agent?

did you get one of those arm's?

damn predatory lenders.....but hey, caculators save lives.... smile.gif
miawallace
Whether the "end" comes or not, there will be drastic changes this century. All of these resources are about to run out some time this century. Either the human race will be thrown back 1000 years, or we have to come up with new alternatives quickly.

I think that the most likely scenario will be increasing wars over scarcer resources that eventually leads to the devastation of most of the earth.

Global warming will change climates everywhere.
Oil is running out.
Coal is running out too.
Rare earth elements used to make solar panels are running out.
Many metals such as copper are running out.
The ozone layer is being depleted again.
Honeybees are dying, endangering crop production.
Native pollinators are disappearing due to loss of habitat.
Bird populations in the US are 50% what they were 40 years ago.
The rainforests will be gone this century.
Ocean fish populations are on the brink of collapse.
adoucette
THE SKY IS FALLING.

OldWoman1904
QUOTE (miawallace+Jun 18 2007, 07:28 AM)
Whether the "end" comes or not, there will be drastic changes this century. All of these resources are about to run out some time this century. Either the human race will be thrown back 1000 years, or we have to come up with new alternatives quickly.

I think that the most likely scenario will be increasing wars over scarcer resources that eventually leads to the devastation of most of the earth.

Global warming will change climates everywhere.
Oil is running out.
Coal is running out too.
Rare earth elements used to make solar panels are running out.
Many metals such as copper are running out.
The ozone layer is being depleted again.
Honeybees are dying, endangering crop production.
Native pollinators are disappearing due to loss of habitat.
Bird populations in the US are 50% what they were 40 years ago.
The rainforests will be gone this century.
Ocean fish populations are on the brink of collapse.

monkeys.......

it's those damned smart monkeys...

they think they are not one of us anymore....

mad.gif damned fancy monkeys.....

but they will probably save the day.....they usually do.....for their own survival, they will fight hard and long....

smile.gif

dirty monkeys.....

big fat hairless stinky greedy funny smart monkeys....
sumGirl
The end is indeed nigh...the Old Ones stir in the depths and the Elder Ones hang above to watch the cleansing feast.

Repent or not, it will not matter for all will suffer.

OldWoman1904
QUOTE (sumGirl+Jun 18 2007, 09:17 AM)
The end is indeed nigh...the Old Ones stir in the depths and the Elder Ones hang above to watch the cleansing feast.

Repent or not, it will not matter for all will suffer.

who let Yoda in here? dry.gif

yea, nice mean face there amiga....that's great...
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (Doug Huffman+Jun 17 2007, 07:37 AM)
http://www.physorg.com/news101287298.html

2060 is close to the Mayan calculation of 13.0.0.0.0 or 12/20/2012 in GMT notation.

Were they on to something? Are you shriven? The conspiracy of ignorance masquerades as common sense.

newton? newton said it would end....that's what the article you linked us to is saying... dry.gif

newton?

come on......

the name of the topic was misleading......

now, about the mayan calendar....2012, the planets align and cross over the horizontal axis?

anybody know anything....?

i have asked countless people...some tell me this crossover has happened before, but have yet to give a date or even a guess at how long ago....

but people have told me the magnetic field flips.....

anybody know about this?

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minimegamonkeyman
Is this really science??

we do seem to be talking about the end of the world, which is NOT likely to happen by our hand, as a nuclear war doesn't seem to be imminent. the world can end "as we know it", but as an optimist, i don't think it will blow up, and as an atheist, i don't think it will be smited by *insert supreme being here*
Saul
Newton was into some funky things like alchemy. Even geniuses can be misled.
mott.carl
is interesting the power of the mind of Newton,same,when he speaks of shadows,or from its proper shadows,he generate LIGHT
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (minimegamonkeyman+Jun 18 2007, 09:53 AM)
Is this really science??

we do seem to be talking about the end of the world, which is NOT likely to happen by our hand, as a nuclear war doesn't seem to be imminent. the world can end "as we know it", but as an optimist, i don't think it will blow up, and as an atheist, i don't think it will be smited by *insert supreme being here*

yea, it's really science.....

2012, the earth will cross the horizontal axis of the galaxy...that's science..

does anyone know about it?


smile.gif
"THEY"
QUOTE (adoucette+Jun 18 2007, 08:49 AM)
THE SKY IS FALLING.

I had a thread about that recently..... I certainly don't get it!

Hey Arthur, do you think I should get back into selling mortgage loans again? Are there really that many doomsdayers out there?
OldWoman1904
mellow.gif im invisible
N O M
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 19 2007, 12:25 PM)
mellow.gif im invisible

Try invisible writing then.
DoktorSerendipitous
The Newton letter goes to show that the most brilliant mind can still be silly, seriously silly. 800 C.E. was just another year and as for the Holy Roman Empire, to quote Voltaire, it was “neither holy, Roman, nor an empire.” All in all, posterity is grateful that Sir Isaac was rather spectacularly unsuccessful with his Newtonian Theology.
tikay
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 18 2007, 02:46 PM)
yea, it's really science.....

2012, the earth will cross the horizontal axis of the galaxy...that's science..

does anyone know about it?


smile.gif

darlink! one cannot answer what one does not know, ask me an easy one! rolleyes.gif
MOHAN
i think the end of a world age is close ,not the end of the world as in end of mankind! we are at the helm of an major switch over .it just like resetting a clock
and it is not one bit caused by mankind as a seperate entity. major changes are about to happen not just on our planet but also to surrounding solar system and everything else.its a part of cyclical change that happens every so often .these cycles are spoken to in ancient cultures and the ancients have warned us and adviced us to be aware of them.there is a certain pattern to the unfolding of events
.all the evidence points to a major change,this change may not be to our humanity's liking but it is all apart of the rythmic cycles of the universe.life will not be extinguishedcompletely but major devastation will take place. the bees dying is all a part of the interconnectedness of things and it will hit mankind as well. but life will not be extinguished completely!
AlphaNumeric
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 18 2007, 10:46 PM)
2012, the earth will cross the horizontal axis of the galaxy...that's science..

The galaxy has no 'sharp definitions' for it's shape. Between now and 2012 the Earth will move a tiny tiny tiny fraction of a degree and since the galaxy is a conglomeration of billions of stars, you could say that we 'crosses the horizontal axis' 20 years ago, or 5 years ago or 35 minutes ago. It's all so much open to interpretation that it's meaningless to give a precise statement like December 21st 2012.

If you were looking at the galaxy as a whole and considered the distance the Earth moved between now and December 2012, it'd be like trying to see the thickness of a piece of paper from half a mile away. It takes the Earth 250 millions years to do a 360 degree loop around the centre of the galaxy, how much do you think it'll move in 5.5 years? Not very much.

The whole Mayan thing is complete BS. To them December 21st 2012 is like December 31st 999 to us, it just ticks over to the next number the following day.
minimegamonkeyman
what i meant was... can we just stop with the new age crap?! the world is not about to end, no matter what the mayans say. they're dead, so we can stop caring what they think.
Guest
all this gobal warming crap is not what it says it is yes its happeneing but its not happening at a rapid pace global warming is were the suns UV rays are trapped in the earths atmosphere because of polution global warming wont get to out of hand because of a little ecosymentric occerence happens regularly every day but its called acid rain acid rain is were the water cycle gets mixed up with the polution in the atmosphere and rains in the form of acid, acid rain ruins statues and polutes water and streams and crops, acid rain isint every were its in certain parts of the world but it leaves so called atmosphereic gas polutants in gaps leaveing the UV rays to come in and out as they please those gaps do fill over time but it takes years scientist say around 15 to 25 years for a atmosphereic gas polutant gaps to fill so with that happening the uv rays have a chance to escape. now with the mayan calculator to the end of the world is all bogus because if u look at the date u see 12/21/2012 and if u work it right the 20 dosent fit in 2012 especially the 0 the mayans were smart but werent that smart they left a easily figured puzzle. nobody knows what the mayan date is people has always believed it to be the coming of the worlds end in fact no body really knows the date could be that a really bad phenomanol will happen or calamity not in fact the end of the world i belive that sir isacc newton is the closest to the real date than the mayans
Guest_Joel
It is wrong to portray Newton as a principled scientist who somehow became swayed by superstition. Newton's religious interest was not simply a short lived and inexplicable abandonment of reason- in fact, it was one of the major undertakings of his life and was as much a part of his desire to understand the world as any of his science. The reason he was not ordained by the Church of England was because of his unorthodox interpretations of scripture, which further shows how central his religious beliefs were.
tikay
Yeah I remember when all hell broke loose during Y2K...what a mess that was! tongue.gif
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (AlphaNumeric+Jun 19 2007, 02:07 AM)
The galaxy has no 'sharp definitions' for it's shape. Between now and 2012 the Earth will move a tiny tiny tiny fraction of a degree and since the galaxy is a conglomeration of billions of stars, you could say that we 'crosses the horizontal axis' 20 years ago, or 5 years ago or 35 minutes ago. It's all so much open to interpretation that it's meaningless to give a precise statement like December 21st 2012.

If you were looking at the galaxy as a whole and considered the distance the Earth moved between now and December 2012, it'd be like trying to see the thickness of a piece of paper from half a mile away. It takes the Earth 250 millions years to do a 360 degree loop around the centre of the galaxy, how much do you think it'll move in 5.5 years? Not very much.

The whole Mayan thing is complete BS. To them December 21st 2012 is like December 31st 999 to us, it just ticks over to the next number the following day.

ohmy.gif thank goodness!!!

but yea, i knew that. mellow.gif
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (Guest+Jun 19 2007, 09:48 AM)
all this gobal warming crap is not what it says it is yes its happeneing but its not happening at a rapid pace global warming is were the suns UV rays are trapped in the earths atmosphere because of polution global warming wont get to out of hand because of a little ecosymentric occerence happens regularly every day but its called acid rain acid rain is were the water cycle gets mixed up with the polution in the atmosphere and rains in the form of acid, acid rain ruins statues and polutes water and streams and crops, acid rain isint every were its in certain parts of the world but it leaves so called atmosphereic gas polutants in gaps leaveing the UV rays to come in and out as they please those gaps do fill over time but it takes years scientist say around 15 to 25 years for a atmosphereic gas polutant gaps to fill so with that happening the uv rays have a chance to escape. now with the mayan calculator to the end of the world is all bogus because if u look at the date u see 12/21/2012 and if u work it right the 20 dosent fit in 2012 especially the 0 the mayans were smart but werent that smart they left a easily figured puzzle. nobody knows what the mayan date is people has always believed it to be the coming of the worlds end in fact no body really knows the date could be that a really bad phenomanol will happen or calamity not in fact the end of the world i belive that sir isacc newton is the closest to the real date than the mayans

unregistered....you had me until that last sentence......

(what a dork, huh guys? dry.gif )
N O M
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 20 2007, 12:41 PM)
(what a dork, huh guys? dry.gif )

and it looks like he said it all in one breath. I think his brain is suffering from oxygen depletion blink.gif
Javinci
Its very interesting indeed that someone stumbled across Newtons studies.

The truth of the matter is that we have worn out our welcome here on earth.Honestly i hope to see it happen within my life time.Simply because everyone has lost the meaning of True meaning of Life.Many people are so wrapped up in society,politics,and bs in general that we have forsaken God and Ourselves.We were not placed here to make life as easy as possible,that was not our destiny.Although being human with millions of imperfections we have ultimately in a sense brought our own destruction about.This has happened because we grew to extreme heights intellectually.With brilliance come ideas,better ways then before.But the question has always been how can we make it better.We've been sided tracked from that in which was intended for us.Its good that news of Newton studying various religions is making its way mainstream.It shows that the great minds believed enough to look and search for the answers.Studies show that the Thinkers said they believed at least something divine was controlling all that is.

If one searches hard enough within all beliefs/religions he will find that God say's, do not judge.Yet,you will find that various churches,religions and beliefs trickling down to the masses cast judgment upon other religions.

I take comfort in knowing that God created me in his likeness.If you was able to place yourself in God's position starting, with you have decided to create Life.One of things called life would be an extremely intelligent being,knowing that you are God you already know the entire outcome before it was created. This being would speak,but not the same language due to evolution. Through the process of evolution several races would manifest,with them come different languages,Ethics,morals,and values.They would all talk different and live there lives differently then the next race.Being of him, he cares for us just as much as he does for himself.Its a Natural instinct to love our children.Therefore making nurturing us also an essential part of the process.How to get through to all the different races.Once again if one studies several different religions or beliefs they will notice they all practically say the same things.God showed himself to these people and guided them with the means to obtain true Oneness with God.Thus,explaining several beliefs as to obain that Oneness.People wonder why God doesn't show himself anymore,they listened and tried to leave the message behind for us.And we haven't listened.The numerous amount of beliefs that existed around the era of Jesus was probably right in there ways to obtain that Oneness to God.If i was God i would have went to all the several different of races one by one and explained the Secret to each of them throughly,so that when i was done they understood and not a person was left out as to how succeed in the game of life.

If one wants to obtain the way to God, the only true way is to place your life in his hands entirely and Search with-in yourself.The anwser lies with-in.If he created us in his likeness,meaning we are of god then if we look to ourselves.We in turn are actually looking towards God.We dont need people to tell us how to get to God,we already know but have lost that connection that the Ancients knew.

Modernism and everything that goes with it is bad and will eventually kill us as we progress through evolution chain.If God was take away all modernism we would in turn establish that connection that has been lost.We woulndt have a choice in the matter.

Life is what you make it!

Best book in the world," Spectrum of Consciousness." By Ken Wilber,the man was gifted.It makes everything Oh So clear if your able to evolve spiritually enough to listen with a closed mouth.Let God do the Talking and you just listen.
guest_soylent
QUOTE (Javinci+Jun 20 2007, 03:15 AM)
Its very interesting indeed that someone stumbled across Newtons studies.

The truth of the matter is that we have worn out our welcome here on earth.Honestly i hope to see it happen within my life time.

Well... a merry end-of-the-world to you to. Hopefully you fruitcakes can engage in some self-fullfilling doomsday prophecy only involving other fruitcakes and leave the rest of us the hell alone.
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (Javinci+Jun 19 2007, 08:15 PM)
Its very interesting indeed that someone stumbled across Newtons studies.

The truth of the matter is that we have worn out our welcome here on earth.Honestly i hope to see it happen within my life time.Simply because everyone has lost the meaning of True meaning of Life.Many people are so wrapped up in society,politics,and bs in general that we have forsaken God and Ourselves.We were not placed here to make life as easy as possible,that was not our destiny.Although being human with millions of imperfections we have ultimately in a sense brought our own destruction about.This has happened because we grew to extreme heights intellectually.With brilliance come ideas,better ways then before.But the question has always been how can we make it better.We've been sided tracked from that in which was intended for us.Its good that news of Newton studying various religions is making its way mainstream.It shows that the great minds believed enough to look and search for the answers.Studies show that the Thinkers said they believed at least something divine was controlling all that is.

If one searches hard enough within all beliefs/religions he will find that God say's, do not judge.Yet,you will find that various churches,religions and beliefs trickling down to the masses cast judgment upon other religions.

I take comfort in knowing that God created me in his likeness.If you was able to place yourself in God's position starting, with you have decided to create Life.One of things called life would be an extremely intelligent being,knowing that you are God you already know the entire outcome before it was created. This being would speak,but not the same language due to evolution. Through the process of evolution several races would manifest,with them come different languages,Ethics,morals,and values.They would all talk different and live there lives differently then the next race.Being of him, he cares for us just as much as he does for himself.Its a Natural instinct to love our children.Therefore making nurturing us also an essential part of the process.How to get through to all the different races.Once again if one studies several different religions or beliefs they will notice they all practically say the same things.God showed himself to these people and guided them with the means to obtain true Oneness with God.Thus,explaining several beliefs as to obain that Oneness.People wonder why God doesn't show himself anymore,they listened and tried to leave the message behind for us.And we haven't listened.The numerous amount of beliefs that existed around the era of Jesus was probably right in there ways to obtain that Oneness to God.If i was God i would have went to all the several different of races one by one and explained the Secret to each of them throughly,so that when i was done they understood and not a person was left out as to how succeed in the game of life.

If one wants to obtain the way to God, the only true way is to place your life in his hands entirely and Search with-in yourself.The anwser lies with-in.If he created us in his likeness,meaning we are of god then if we look to ourselves.We in turn are actually looking towards God.We dont need people to tell us how to get to God,we already know but have lost that connection that the Ancients knew.

Modernism and everything that goes with it is bad and will eventually kill us as we progress through evolution chain.If God was take away all modernism we would in turn establish that connection that has been lost.We woulndt have a choice in the matter.

Life is what you make it!

Best book in the world," Spectrum of Consciousness." By Ken Wilber,the man was gifted.It makes everything Oh So clear if your able to evolve spiritually enough to listen with a closed mouth.Let God do the Talking and you just listen.

Javinci.....maybe it's people like you who breed fear and negativity? did you ever think of that?

all these things you say seem to be a result of the influence of the media....really, think about it..people are good, we want to do good....

every generation thinks the world is going to ***....it's not...it's getting better, has been getting better and the evidence is all around us...

there are alot of people who work hard to improve things...daily....and raise good kids...

some of us work really hard to spread a positive attitude....

which side are you on? come back to us....
unregistered
: the bible in Matthew 24: predicts the 2nd coming of Christ-a sad time and a wonderful time, depending on your stand- which is also knowned as the end of the age,wars,world wars,earthquakes, pestilences famines---all on a world-wide scale, all more frequently than usual, in other scriptures, it talks about -the roaring of the sea, huge hailstones,etc.... also- the moral decay of most of the world. i don"t know when the end will comw, but i know from all the things going on in the world- were close, very,very close, one more thing- several Arab nations are suppose to attack israel, (you think?) ezekial chapters 37,38,39 check it out,even if your not a believer, its still very interesting.
Javinci
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 20 2007, 03:05 PM)
Javinci.....maybe it's people like you who breed fear and negativity? did you ever think of that?

all these things you say seem to be a result of the influence of the media....really, think about it..people are good, we want to do good....

every generation thinks the world is going to ***....it's not...it's getting better, has been getting better and the evidence is all around us...

there are alot of people who work hard to improve things...daily....and raise good kids...

some of us work really hard to spread a positive attitude....

which side are you on? come back to us....

2073 is my prediction...does that make me even more of a Fruit Cake?God says the road of truth is narrow and long.Christianity is by far narrow,its actually huge and gaping road,along with most other religions.Buddhist is the closest thing to obtaining True Enlightenment, by way of God.Maybe its us fruit cakes who actually know something about nothing.Call us feeble minded or whatever you might,Truth of the matter is this.Follow the current path and Doomsday is inevitable.Thats the bottom line.If people would listen to us Fruit Cakes,someone who actually know what their talking about we wouldn't be in this situation that we're currently facing.At this point we're basically operating under Code Red,constantly trying to figure out how to fix this contradicting destiny of ours.

So,is it negativitey,or is it sarrow as God would have for those of his children whom could be lost forever.God has created a means to him,its so ever clear and yet people are blind to the Truth.Having Sarrow for people is not negitive,its actually called Love in disquise.Love is positive.Positive=God.

You should do your research or something before you cast judgement on people.You placed yourself in the same boat with the mast majoirity of BS'ers.Dont think im saying anything about you, other then what you showed me Actions speak louder then words.Im simply pointing out the fact of the matter.

Have a splendid day Oldwoman.Oh and i never left.I just searhed harder then the next man,thats all tongue.gif

N O M
There was panic back in the year 999, because a bunch of loonies were predicting the end of the world... ...still there...

I remember some predictions of doom in the 80's... ...still there...

The turn of the last millenium was another doom loony magnet... ...still there...

There is a pattern there.
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (Javinci+Jun 20 2007, 01:16 PM)


You should do your research or something before you cast judgement on people.You placed yourself in the same boat with the mast majoirity of BS'ers.Dont think im saying anything about you, other then what you showed me Actions speak louder then words.Im simply pointing out the fact of the matter.


how did i show you that actions speak louder than words?

blink.gif

fact of what matter?

and in what way am i a bullshitter? i dont want to be one friend....tell me... blink.gif
Javinci
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 20 2007, 09:37 PM)
how did i show you that actions speak louder than words?

blink.gif

fact of what matter?

and in what way am i a bullshitter? i dint want to be one friend....tell me... blink.gif

Haha...seriously you made me laugh.Thats besides the point though:)
I'm on Gods side and thats really the point i guess.I'm not going to debate with ya over the matter.
You called me a Fruit cake did you not?
N O M
Yeah Oldwoman, you shold be ashamed of yourself for calling this person a "fruitcake". sad.gif

"Fruit loop" is much more appropriate wacko.gif
OldWoman1904
another question, or observation..if you dont answer...

why does religion stir up such animosity and anger...

why?

i understand what you are saying ok....i see people doing bad acts...i see myself doing bad acts....but sometimes, i just didnt know.....sometimes i am weak...

but i have found that speaking up does great wonders....ive been trying to treat people like i would like to be treated....and i tell them what i think in a respectful way....i try ok...im getting better...because i remember the times someone disrespected me out of anger...it doesnt feel good...

i dont really follow any religion...maybe because of the anger thing....but i do know that i have this "feeling" of what is right and wrong...and i believe that we all have the same feeling and we are all maybe more alike than we think...dont you?

but sir, im not a bullshitter.....(sometimes tongue.gif ) but not in this case....i dont really know what you mean by that....i wasnt trying to judge you either...but it is a fact that this doomsday thing is getting out of hand....and since youre talking about what "God" said....i thought he said that nobody will know when the end is coming?

and let me tell you frankly, sir, if i may....who are we to have a theory on anything like that? really?

and what do you mean actions speak louder than words?

do you know if i act? maybe i do.......

huh.gif
OldWoman1904
actually i didnt call you anything.....i said maybe it's people like you who breed negativity and fear?

and i said what side are you on...

and come back to us....

(geez blink.gif )

amigo....this is you right now------> mad.gif
N O M
Personally I have nothing against religions. What people do within the privacy of their own heads is their own business.

What annoys me is when they start to insist that their limited viewpoint is the only correct way to think.
OldWoman1904
Javinci? where did you go?

Javinci....come back to us....

Javinci......dont be afraid.....fear has no benefit....

"I am jaguar paw. This is my forest and I am not afraid."

wink.gif
N O M
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 21 2007, 10:07 AM)
"I am jaguar paw. This is my forest and I am not afraid."

So you are 50 kilos of snarling hungry predator lurking in a dark forest waiting for luckless prey to approach ph34r.gif
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 20 2007, 03:11 PM)
So you are 50 kilos of snarling hungry predator lurking in a dark forest waiting for luckless prey to approach ph34r.gif

NOM....why you gotta ruin my poetic moment? tongue.gif

i guess whats his face aint coming back.....

NO...im not a snarling predator.....silly boy....NOM, have you seen Apocalypto?

must see......i learned about the mayans.....quite a bit actually but i was so shocked to see why they REALLY studied the sky.....

and the fear message sank deep into me....deep....from now on, i put MUCH effort into not feeling fear.....

Javinci
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 20 2007, 09:57 PM)
actually i didn't call you anything.....i said maybe it's people like you who breed negativity and fear?

and i said what side are you on...

and come back to us....

(geez blink.gif )

amigo....this is you right now------> mad.gif

Wonderful were on the same page My Lady smile.gif
I dint think i have to tell you why Religion or beliefs stir up so much controversy,you already know the answer.Thats why you don't proclaim anything as your set belief.Other then what you believe is right.Because as you said you know the difference between right and wrong.As do I.Thats God sent.Nor do i follow any traditional belief.
Our goal in life is apparent...
Yet only a handful can say there trying.You seem like your underway.

Its these bad acts in life that become a huge factor in what we consider life.You first have to recognize these bad qualities,once the problem is being looked at in face, you then would have to work on not making the same mistake again.Growth to become One with God.
Not a soul can be Pure if there is negativity in their life.

I'm sorry Oldwoman i stand corrected.It was guest_soylent who made mention of Fruit cake.Again I'm sorry sad.gif

Although I'm curious as to what you mean when you make mention of people like me...lol...I think you could very well be looking in a mirror.

If you haven't read Spectrum of Consciousness i think you should you might enjoy it.
OldWoman1904
a mirror? hm....interesting...yes....could be....

wow....im ugly...

tongue.gif just playin....

i dont know what you mean,,,,make mention of people like you?

people like you?

ok,,,,i guess what made me respond was the doomsday thing...and i suppose to a certain extent, im being negative about being negative unsure.gif i guess...

all i know is i feel the need to speak up against the doomsday fear propoganda....yesterday, for example, im standing in line at the store and i see a magazine..picture of Jesus and it says DOOMSDAY....and i notice all the talk about the end....

my grandma told me about all the times she's seen this happen throughout her life...TIME magazine, in the 80's said 15 minutes till the end....

i dont know if it's the end...but i do know that i will not feel fear....
I am jaguar paw....this is my forest and i am not afraid...

but for real,,,im not afraid of the end....really....and im not afraid of getting mugged or killed or robbed....i am aware...and try to be responsible and all that but...fear...no more...

and i see people getting sick of fear...it is my forte and line of work to study society..in the past and now...

i see hope...every day....dont you?

OldWoman1904
QUOTE (Javinci+Jun 20 2007, 03:26 PM)
I dint think i have to tell you why Religion or beliefs stir up so much controversy,you already know the answer.

power?

status?

control?

is that it?

blink.gif
OldWoman1904
NOM, Javinci, i gotta go.....ill be back tomorrow or friday k?

nice talking to you chaps....later cool.gif
Guest_Javinci
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 20 2007, 10:46 PM)
NOM, Javinci, i gotta go.....ill be back tomorrow or friday k?

nice talking to you chaps....later cool.gif

Take Care and be safe.
Your answers are correct.We must live according to Gods standards.Not ours.Therefore the revealing once again, a God sent message.The truth is baffling indeed.
I not scared neither,i welcome it with arms wide open.Thats when life really gets fun and interesting.It will make for a good life.
N O M
QUOTE (Guest_Javinci+Jun 21 2007, 11:06 AM)
We must live according to Gods standards.Not ours.Therefore the revealing once again, a God sent message.The truth is baffling indeed.

That is the kind of self-righteous pap that really gets me annoyed.

Go and spend a few more millenia smiting the unbeliever until you can all agree on just which "God sent message" is the right one. If there is anyone left, preach to them.
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 20 2007, 04:25 PM)
That is the kind of self-righteous pap that really gets me annoyed.

Go and spend a few more millenia smiting the unbeliever until you can all agree on just which "God sent message" is the right one. If there is anyone left, preach to them.

ooooooooh! NOM goes in with an uppercut.... ohmy.gif
OldWoman1904
may i make an observation?

what makes us monkeys think we know these things?
what makes us like this?
does anyone know? blink.gif
N O M
It's a know fact that many psychotics think that they are having visions from god. Many of these psychotics have been charismatic people. All it takes is a few gullible people to listen to the psychotics and you have a religion.

Who do you blame? The psychotics or the gullible?
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 20 2007, 07:16 PM)
It's a know fact that many psychotics think that they are having visions from god. Many of these psychotics have been charismatic people. All it takes is a few gullible people to listen to the psychotics and you have a religion.

Who do you blame? The psychotics or the gullible?

huh.gif huh?

so......................i shouldnt have mailed him that check?









tongue.gif
HairlessKat
There's a video out about the current most popular religions origins being completely astrological in nature, same as the many pagan followers they persecuted for centuries.

For example, when Moses came down off the mount, he was enraged to find his followers worshiping a bull. This is logical when one considers it was the end of the age of the BULL (Taurus), and they were entering the age of the RAM (Aries and they still blow a rams horn)

When Jesus came they were entering the age of PISCES (Christianity uses the symbol of the fish) and when asked by his followers how they will know where the passover would be, Jesus tells them to look for the man with a jug of water on his shoulder mentioned in the New Testament. This is sometimes shown as an angelic figure, supposedly androgynous, either pouring water from an urn or carrying the vessel upon its shoulder. Aquarius is called the Sign of the Water Bearer. The name of the movie for anyone interested is The Truth Behind the "Greatest Story Ever Told" available on goggle . Its actually three parts, but the second two parts are what many would consider, irregardless of what evidence it offers, 'conspiracy'.. so you've been warned lol.

Its a pretty interesting video in all, and I feel fairly confident now that our species is awakening to a new reality involving all levels of conscious awareness available to the human brain. By this I mean the oscillating brain waves as detected by machines, Alpha, Theta and Delta (sleep) are defined as "altered states of consciousness," as opposed to Beta, which is considered to be a fully conscious state. Beta is the so-called conscious level of mind or 'ego' that most humans over the age of 7 function on. All other levels being what animals and children under 7 function on. Alpha and Theta form the subconscious regions of the mind's operation, and Delta is the unconscious region of thought activity. By 'awakening' I mean literally, our subconscious mind is 'waking up' which is why you hear so many people talk about this new age stuff of 'we are ONE'. If we began as ONE, we are STILL that ONE.. spread out over a large distance (quantum physics/particle accelerators) or a 'brane' of vibrating energy filling material form/meat suit.

Dont believe in God? You don't have to,, Look up, thats the Son/Sun (cross with circle in the zodiac compass) going around and around. It is your physical energy source, without it everything on this planet dies, period, and immediately as far as any human being on this planet knows. And we are learning how to control and manipulate energy/electricity in this 'age' in ways that would seem unbelievable to us in ages prior.

Love N Light

Jenn
HairlessKat
Sorry, just realized I said 'passover' , meant to say last supper.. rolleyes.gif
tikay
QUOTE (N O M+Jun 20 2007, 03:04 PM)
Personally I have nothing against religions. What people do within the privacy of their own heads is their own business.

What annoys me is when they start to insist that their limited viewpoint is the only correct way to think.

PREciseLY! biggrin.gif

I'm with you NOM!

tikay
QUOTE (OldWoman1904+Jun 20 2007, 03:07 PM)


"I am jaguar paw. This is my forest and I am not afraid."

wink.gif

User posted image
Is that you?


~and I am a woman who's bored and lonely today, and so...grabbing my cat I tickle her softly until she finally giggles and bites!


User posted image

User posted image

User posted image

(okay I actually took those another day, (note time on clock) but I am going to get her right now! I do this all the time)
Thats our friend Tawny, she lives with Sarah and I.
Narroo
I wonder why they believe the calculation determines the end of the world? Because their time system ends at it?
Thats like saying the world will end because we didn't make our clocks go up to a certain year or something....Oh wait...That explains a lot.
Dumb Y2K bug.
tikay
Its all about Cats...and Bugs!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dliI63ERpw
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (HairlessKat+Jun 22 2007, 03:17 PM)
There's a video out about the current most popular religions origins being completely astrological in nature, same as the many pagan followers they persecuted for centuries.

For example, when Moses came down off the mount, he was enraged to find his followers worshiping a bull. This is logical when one considers it was the end of the age of the BULL (Taurus), and they were entering the age of the RAM (Aries and they still blow a rams horn)

When Jesus came they were entering the age of PISCES (Christianity uses the symbol of the fish) and when asked by his followers how they will know where the passover would be, Jesus tells them to look for the man with a jug of water on his shoulder mentioned in the New Testament. This is sometimes shown as an angelic figure, supposedly androgynous, either pouring water from an urn or carrying the vessel upon its shoulder. Aquarius is called the Sign of the Water Bearer. The name of the movie for anyone interested is The Truth Behind the "Greatest Story Ever Told" available on goggle . Its actually three parts, but the second two parts are what many would consider, irregardless of what evidence it offers, 'conspiracy'.. so you've been warned lol.

Its a pretty interesting video in all, and I feel fairly confident now that our species is awakening to a new reality involving all levels of conscious awareness available to the human brain. By this I mean the oscillating brain waves as detected by machines, Alpha, Theta and Delta (sleep) are defined as "altered states of consciousness," as opposed to Beta, which is considered to be a fully conscious state. Beta is the so-called conscious level of mind or 'ego' that most humans over the age of 7 function on. All other levels being what animals and children under 7 function on. Alpha and Theta form the subconscious regions of the mind's operation, and Delta is the unconscious region of thought activity. By 'awakening' I mean literally, our subconscious mind is 'waking up' which is why you hear so many people talk about this new age stuff of 'we are ONE'. If we began as ONE, we are STILL that ONE.. spread out over a large distance (quantum physics/particle accelerators) or a 'brane' of vibrating energy filling material form/meat suit.

Dont believe in God? You don't have to,, Look up, thats the Son/Sun (cross with circle in the zodiac compass) going around and around. It is your physical energy source, without it everything on this planet dies, period, and immediately as far as any human being on this planet knows. And we are learning how to control and manipulate energy/electricity in this 'age' in ways that would seem unbelievable to us in ages prior.

Love N Light

Jenn

yea.......they study the sky...predict events like comets and eclipses and use the knowledge to fool the common people into thinking they have this knowledge straight from the gods.. dry.gif
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (tikay+Jun 22 2007, 04:23 PM)
Its all about Cats...and Bugs!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7dliI63ERpw

tikay....you just beat out all of Zeph's visuals.....

that was AWESOME smile.gif
tikay
Tis a gift biggrin.gif
Here's what I was just watching, just for you girlfriend...don' be scared!
laugh.gif

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gNqiSkd1M6k
Nanook
QUOTE (jordan zuker+Jun 17 2007, 02:52 PM)
I think the end is much nearer as you can see the signs the bees are dying global warming is happening it almost the end dry.gif.

The bees that are dying aren't the natural bees, they're the genetically engineered bees of commercial bee keepers.

This was shot just a few days ago in North Seattle:

User posted image

Well, seems that PhysOrg miniaturizes the photo, here is a link to the full sized version:

Bees

Witness for yourself the shortage of bees.
HairlessKat
lots of bees Nanook. biggrin.gif I saw a bee keepers website recently which stated, ""I'm on an organic beekeeping list of about 1,000 people, mostly Americans, and no one in the organic beekeeping world, including commercial beekeepers, is reporting colony collapse on this list. The problem with the big commercial guys is that they put pesticides in their hives to fumigate for varroa mites, and they feed antibiotics to the bees. They also haul the hives by truck all over the place to make more money with pollination services, which stresses the colonies."

Not the end of the world, the end of an Age. The ice melts as the planet warms from the increased energy reaching its surface, and the magnetic aggitation within increases her internal fires. Volcanos long asleep rumble to life again in Russia, India, China, Washington, Hawaii, energy entering her body causing her Auras to glow, What a wonderful beautiful world we have been blessed to explore with these conciouse bodies. tongue.gif
tikay
QUOTE (adoucette+Jun 18 2007, 07:08 AM)
If you REALLY beleive this, then you should go buy the nicest house you can find and get a VERY LOW RATE ARM, with negative amortization and a huge balloon payment that is not due for FIVE YEARS.

laugh.gif

Arthur

I thought of this quite a few times...i could easily fancy a large log cabin in the wilderness...to wait out the inevitable destruction, or Jesus...whichever came first!
I was just always a little scared i'd have to come up with payments, because with my luck the world wouldn't end! smile.gif * (:
ah hah hah ha...
binyakin
tHE END IS NEARER BECAUSE OF GLOBAL WARMING BUT WHERE IS THE ANTI CHRIST THE MARK OF THE BEAST 666 I THINK WE ARE CLOSER THAN WE THINK MY FRIENDS LETS JUST BELIVE IN GODS WORD AND WE WILL GET A PLACE ON THE NEW WORLD GOD BLESS US ALL
ulmew
binyakin is wrong
there is no god
only infinite full circles vibrating
the genetically engineered bees are dying
because everything synthetic (1) is breaking down(0)
but that doesnt mean the end is upon us
thats just crazy talk
OldWoman1904
QUOTE (ulmew+Jun 26 2007, 09:20 PM)
binyakin is wrong
there is no god
only infinite full circles vibrating
the genetically engineered bees are dying
because everything synthetic (1) is breaking down(0)
but that doesnt mean the end is upon us
thats just crazy talk

what's crazy talk.....

what he said or what you just said blink.gif





tongue.gif ha ha got you.....
CCMan
Interesting dates.
If I can believe what I have been shown (and I'm not in a position to doubt it at all) then by 2060, we will have made at least one interstellar round trip.

Perhaps this will be the catalyst of a new age. I would take part physically if I could, but alas, I'll likely have the better view.

smile.gif
N O M
QUOTE (CCMan+Jun 28 2007, 04:40 PM)
If I can believe what I have been shown (and I'm not in a position to doubt it at all) then by 2060, we will have made at least one interstellar round trip.

How do you figure that. We need a ship first, and we don't have one yet. Nothing planned that can do even a small fraction of lightspeed. Might launch something by 2060, but nothing will be comming back for quite some time.
CCMan
NOM,
There are physics that are coming into focus for the masses now, that will make it easier for folks to see how we will achieve that.

Our nation already has small group of superconductor ships they've been testing and improving for years. One of the them has proven much to their satisfaction. We are having a little difficulty getting the magnetic power up to a more practical level for interstellar travel (we're 5/6 the way there), but the ship is already the fastest thing on the planet. When the magnetic field generator reaches the critical level, the whole ship will be within the proper field strength and will be immune to outside gravity and almost all problematic outside forces that a star ship must avoid. As the speed of the ship increases, it will scale by integers the speed of light within its field, up to a point where the ships can make a star trip well under a year.

If you are interested in a few more details, email me at: thanel007@hotmail.com
However, if the positions were reversed, I wouldn't believe you, I can clearly say.
That's okay, as by 2035, it will be a moot point, hopefully sooner depending on some social factors. smile.gif

kairologic
K, folks... I assume you all full well understand sine waves.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ice_age


Now, pay close attention to the chart lines closest to where we are now. See how dramatized things have been since the past 10,000 years (and also to a point, how much more accurate and exxagerated the lines become closer to currency)? See also how QUICKLY (as in perhaps 100 years) the global average temperature could drop by, say, 4-6 degrees? Yeah. Notice the apex that we're on, where it actually gets this warm normally? I think we can all agree, in educated reference, that the warming period would be occurring whether or not there was pollution involved (even though it is making things a bit shaky and uncomfortable for most species). Now can we all agree that maybe the prophecies of dates ranging from 2012, to 2060, to 2300-2400 (Dendera calendar) are an accurate description of the rising and falling cycles? Or shall I say the rise and fall of the Phoenix, Quetzacoatl, or the Ouroboros? Beyond hypersonic sound (HSS), genetic modification (GMOs), hypervelocity vehicles (HSV), ion propulsion engines, RFID, microwave towers, weather modification, and even the "oil crisis", I think that there are much more important things to be pondering. There's always this upcoming temperature shift, but then what about those drifting North and South Poles? Interesting how magnetic North is right about in Siberia these days... a little faster than presumed by most scientists of the 80's, in military positions, but then I guess that such underestimated calculations wouldn't be news. Know what happens when a magnetic field shifts in retro-orientation to the physical body with which it is related (the magnetic flux swaps before the physical matter swaps)? Contemplate this and get a feel for what you should be learning and training for. Otherwise, have a nice day! biggrin.gif

Lux Et Veritas,
Brendan Bombaci
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