http://www.physorg.com/news785.html
That's really interesting, but I wonder how far from reality it is? 100 years or so?
The company says 3 to 5 years.
That they have materials already working for proof of concept..
That they have materials already working for proof of concept..
with this much storage, faster cpu's on the way and faster broadband internet the porn industry is going to be hard pushed to keep up with the 30 - 40% of the internet that they control, technology may advance but humans will always remain bound by there primary drives
To have the ability to record one's entire life for posterity, or to simply be able to play back part of a class lecture while preparing for a final is inspiring, but at what speeds. How fast will this new form of storage work in relation to current technology? If it takes about twenty minutes to burn a full DVD (only 4.6 GBs), how long would it take to modify ever molecule on the surface of one of these new discs? I realy want to know. 
Oh! I see on their webiste,
"bandwidth limits beyond 1000 GB/sec"
see...http://www.colossalstorage.net/mainframe1b.htm
"bandwidth limits beyond 1000 GB/sec"
see...http://www.colossalstorage.net/mainframe1b.htm
So far this is the greatest breakthough I've seen for computers in a while. I've been waiting for something like this to come out. Its about time we get some leeps in computer technology.
Although one security risk. Its a mobile device. If someone were to social engineer their way into a large company they could basically download multiple computers onto a single disc. Take it back to a computer they own and view/crack secret information.
...Just a thought. I see it as a way to make almost limitless tv show backups. The disc prices (est. $45) aren't bad seeing as 1 disc is more than enough for most home users. I would probably get 2. A disc for backup and another to trade around.
I wonder if you would be able to create partitions on it like a hard drive. With that much storage you would need some way of organizing all of it. I don't fully understand the concept behind it due to all the physics involved.
Great job guys!!
Although one security risk. Its a mobile device. If someone were to social engineer their way into a large company they could basically download multiple computers onto a single disc. Take it back to a computer they own and view/crack secret information.
...Just a thought. I see it as a way to make almost limitless tv show backups. The disc prices (est. $45) aren't bad seeing as 1 disc is more than enough for most home users. I would probably get 2. A disc for backup and another to trade around.
I wonder if you would be able to create partitions on it like a hard drive. With that much storage you would need some way of organizing all of it. I don't fully understand the concept behind it due to all the physics involved.
Great job guys!!
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The company says 3 to 5 years.
That they have materials already working for proof of concept..
That they have materials already working for proof of concept..
That in all likelyhood means they have a table sized or larger device that can flip ONE bit, maybe more if you give them 5 minutes to move it around a bit.
Now go take a look at their website. It looks like it was done by a complete rank amateur, or worse a looney. Seriously, the way it's organized really does look like the way loonies create their webpages. (No offense to them, that's my honest opinion.)
Their websites "publications list" is cryptic and non-standard, you are lead to pages of conference preceis instead of being given explicit publication references like a normal researcher might provide.
So let's google for "Michael E. Thomas" and see what Universities or big-name corporations he's worked for or had license his work "over the past 30 years".
http://www.google.com/search?sourceid=mozc...ichael+E+Thomas
Uh-huh. First link is "p2pnet.net" story, 2nd is "CollossalStorage" themselves, 3rd is "ScienceAGoGo.com" message board, 4th is "Yahoo - Insider Trades" for someone of that name for Chromcraft Revington Inc (probably not him, they make furniture). None of the rest look even remotely related. No hits in Google Groups either. Let's try "Michael Thomas" with a bunch of highly related keywords such as "physics", "optics", "storage". Here are the only things that I find of interest:
A 2002 plug by Michael Thomas himself on a SPIE forum for his website.
A list of references in the Database systems and Logic Programming "Computer Science" bibliography system at uni-trier.do
http://www.sigmod.org/sigmod/dblp/db/indic...as:Michael.html
There is a POSTER a Michael Thomas gave at the 2000 IEEE symposium on Mass Storage. However there was no university or corporate reference or published paper was referenced in the listing (grad students give posters). The rest look like *other* Michael Thomas', one is at a German university in a comp-sci like course, the other does web services work at the California Institute of Technology.
However, there is no serious list of published credentials. That one 2002 SPIE forum PLUG was interesting. Let's check the wayback machine.
http://web.archive.org/web/*/colossalstorage.net
The content in 2002 pretty much didn't change all year long:
http://web.archive.org/web/20011006144722/...ge/colossal.htm
In fact, I recognize their references page!! It hasn't changed either. And now it all makes sense. It's all strikes me as an "enthusiast", someone who doesn't have the knowledge or background necessary to do real research, nor has the position to make anything happen, but really wishes something would come true and as such desperately wants to see it happen. (Well, that's my half-assed guess).
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal6.htm
Ah, I'm blind, here's his bio:
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal6.htm
Ok, now *there* is a list of real specific references the way they should be done. And his credentials, while not those of a PhD or researcher at a major technical house like IBM or Lucent, isn't also that of a nobody either. Of course we're taking his word for it.
Michael, if you're out there, use $1000 of that startup funding and get a webmaster and have him re-do your website, it looks horribly amateurish.
My money is on "colossalstorage" never delivering anything, ever, to the market. They strike me as similar to 3/4ths of all the X-Prize entrants. Well meaning nice guys with a bit of a clue. Just a bit.
I wish them the best of luch though. I sure as hell want a 100 Terabyte CD some day!!! Nicer than the 200 DVDRs sitting behind me that only hold 1 Terabyte.
Whoops, forgot to sign my analysis.
-CK, MSc Physics 1997, Optoelectronics
-CK, MSc Physics 1997, Optoelectronics
QUOTE (slowpoke+Aug 13 2004, 08:36 PM)
If it takes about twenty minutes to burn a full DVD (only 4.6 GBs), how long would it take to modify ever molecule on the surface of one of these new discs?
If you notice, it's not just surface data recording. The article mentions recording in a volume holographically, which leads to the massive storage capacity.
If you notice, it's not just surface data recording. The article mentions recording in a volume holographically, which leads to the massive storage capacity.
sounds like a front.
> `I finally had a break thru when reviewing Einstein/Plank and Niels Bohr Atomic Theories'
Anyone else's bullshit detector kick in at this point?
Anyone else's bullshit detector kick in at this point?
If it's too good to be true, it probably is...
What's next? A cold fusion generator did he say?
I hope no one is falling for this nonsense. Every couple of years some ridiculous breakthrough in storage makes the science news rounds, then you never hear anything else from them.
You chaps stole my thunder...glad to see I'm not the only one who can spot such an obvious hoax.
This reads rather like an advertisment than a news report.
I don't see any information on thickness or speeds.
But apparently it can be hardened to withstand nuclear radiation and will last for 100 years
I'm with CK on this one. My BS detector also says this is wishful thinking at best.
I don't see any information on thickness or speeds.
But apparently it can be hardened to withstand nuclear radiation and will last for 100 years
I'm with CK on this one. My BS detector also says this is wishful thinking at best.
The idea is good, however, this, IMO, is just an attempt of someone to acquire "proof" that they thought of the idea first. Based on the quesitons page of the website, they still have ALOT of work to do to come even CLOSE to knowing if this type of storage medium is even feasable. Will it be damaged(data or disc from just dropping the disc a inch? a foot? Will the data be damaged in sunlight?, in blacklight, in other types of light, will it need to be protected like film? The holographic part of it is feasable, (look at holography today) but wether they can achieve it is another monster.
Sounds to me like its someone making a patent, and trying to create proof that he can do it, so the patent dosen't become a "filler" just so other legit companys can't make the same technology. Also, mabee he just hopes a investor will invest in his company. That in my opinion is what the point of this website is.
(however the website does royally suck, and reeks of a lack of good evidence, and will not attract any tech-savvy investor.)
Im all for patents, especially for the little guy. However, if your going to announce a product, announce it within 1 year of it being offered. This 3-5-7year crap is really annoying me, and I am sure most people.
On top of that, with this much data being offered in such a small space, do you REALLY think they will make it affordable? HECK NO. This unit will most likely cost in line with todays costs of storing terabytes of data, considering they are offering 100+ TB of data storage, I am sure they will charge 10,000$ + for a single backup unit. Only because they know companys will pay it.
(I mean, companys today offer 10 TB of storage on SCSI for 5k+) Were talking 100TB+ at a access speed of gigabytes? Thats faster than any known data access and storage technology today. And the disc will prolly cost $500+.
For instance, look at LCD flatpanels. Look at how long it took for them to become affordable by the average user(they still aren't). Who was able to afford them? Big Business. How long have they been around? Years, and years. How many companys make them? Dozens, one would think that if lots of companys make them they would be affordable. And this is true, I am sure if a single company had a patent on LCD panels, they would be too expensive, and virtually non-existant.
And that, is where this so called 100 terabyte technology will stay, untill they have competition. No "end user" will be able to afford their asking price with in the first 8-10 years of the product being available.
Keeping the units out of reach for 8-10 years + for the average user.
Sounds to me like its someone making a patent, and trying to create proof that he can do it, so the patent dosen't become a "filler" just so other legit companys can't make the same technology. Also, mabee he just hopes a investor will invest in his company. That in my opinion is what the point of this website is.
(however the website does royally suck, and reeks of a lack of good evidence, and will not attract any tech-savvy investor.)
Im all for patents, especially for the little guy. However, if your going to announce a product, announce it within 1 year of it being offered. This 3-5-7year crap is really annoying me, and I am sure most people.
On top of that, with this much data being offered in such a small space, do you REALLY think they will make it affordable? HECK NO. This unit will most likely cost in line with todays costs of storing terabytes of data, considering they are offering 100+ TB of data storage, I am sure they will charge 10,000$ + for a single backup unit. Only because they know companys will pay it.
(I mean, companys today offer 10 TB of storage on SCSI for 5k+) Were talking 100TB+ at a access speed of gigabytes? Thats faster than any known data access and storage technology today. And the disc will prolly cost $500+.
For instance, look at LCD flatpanels. Look at how long it took for them to become affordable by the average user(they still aren't). Who was able to afford them? Big Business. How long have they been around? Years, and years. How many companys make them? Dozens, one would think that if lots of companys make them they would be affordable. And this is true, I am sure if a single company had a patent on LCD panels, they would be too expensive, and virtually non-existant.
And that, is where this so called 100 terabyte technology will stay, untill they have competition. No "end user" will be able to afford their asking price with in the first 8-10 years of the product being available.
Keeping the units out of reach for 8-10 years + for the average user.
Just think of the enormous breakthrough effect that 100 terrabyte drives
will have on pornography storage.
The future is now!
will have on pornography storage.
The future is now!
What set off my BS meter was the indiscriminate mention of
10 PBytes capacity alongside 10-100 TBytes.
1 PetaByte = 1,000 TeraBytes
Not just a typo, but evidence of not really understanding
what you're talking about; gross innumeracy.
10 PBytes capacity alongside 10-100 TBytes.
1 PetaByte = 1,000 TeraBytes
Not just a typo, but evidence of not really understanding
what you're talking about; gross innumeracy.
The boners are not configured properly in order for this penis to work correctly.The flow of blood with nolt reach its maximum cause anal leakage threw the butthole. I mean this is some complacated shitnit!
1000 petabytes = 1 zintrobyte
erh, where can i preorder this ? 
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you sound like you know something, but you gave no physical fact or evidence.
No one mathematical equation explaining why. Not one physical theorem why.
You just rant and rave about Michael's website, big deal.
Where's the science disproving his work ?
Michael shows proof, facts, data, evidence, mathematics other research, etc.
So he's a self made man. A degree doesnt mean you can be successful.
Ask Bill Gates, Michael DEll. Thomas Edison. Oh the list is too long to bother.
Scientific fact please, theorems please, mathematical data and proof please.
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CK
you sound like you know something, but you gave no physical fact or evidence.
No one mathematical equation explaining why. Not one physical theorem why.
You just rant and rave about Michael's website, big deal.
Where's the science disproving his work ?
Michael shows proof, facts, data, evidence, mathematics other research, etc.
So he's a self made man. A degree doesnt mean you can be successful.
Ask Bill Gates, Michael DEll. Thomas Edison. Oh the list is too long to bother.
Scientific fact please, theorems please, mathematical data and proof please.
Guess its time for all the gurus to eat their words -- we are getting faster and faster
I can't wait until they reduce it down. Would make an awesome ipod for my collection! Fo shizzle my nizzle! 
Please wake me when they've got a working product based on the concept. If I had a nickel for every "breakthrough" I've seen written up in the last 30 years that was "a few years out" but which never saw the light of day in a working proof of concept--I'd be a very rich man... When I see words like "nanotechnology" and "atomic" applied to concepts like this they translate to "Please send in lots of money very fast so that I can see if this idea has any practical merit." Real science needs no buzzwords--they're used strictly for investors with too much spare cash who enjoy a lot of science fiction while forgetting the "fiction" part of the description.
When I see words like "nanotechnology" and "atomic" applied to concepts like this they translate to "Please send in lots of money very fast so that I can see if this idea has any practical merit." Real science needs no buzzwords--they're used strictly for investors with too much spare cash who enjoy a lot of science fiction while forgetting the "fiction" part of the description.
hi folks,
i'm just back from one conference.
people from ibm clame that at 2006 we will have 50Gb flashes for USD 50 - 70
and HDDs will be much cheaper
i'm just back from one conference.
people from ibm clame that at 2006 we will have 50Gb flashes for USD 50 - 70
and HDDs will be much cheaper
Inventor of Present Day Satellite Technology Arthur C. Clark "Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic".
"Today's science fiction is often tomorrow's science fact."
— (Dr/ Professor Stephen Hawking)
"Today's science fiction is often tomorrow's science fact."
— (Dr/ Professor Stephen Hawking)
what if they can figure out a way to read /write nonlinearly. in otherwords what if instead of a single writing beam they had an array of beams one for each atomic switch on the disc. and they could all read or write at the same time? what if you could precompile the "picture" of what you wanted the bits on the disc to "look like" ahead of time and then write them all at once.
If this makes it to the marketplace in 5 years it will cause a tremendous shift in how we use our brains. we wil become increasingly dependant on short term memory and less dependant on long term memory if we have access to devices that can store every sound or vision that we have ever heard or seen. Think about all the crap you wouldn't have to remember. what will we do with the extra space in our brains?
If this makes it to the marketplace in 5 years it will cause a tremendous shift in how we use our brains. we wil become increasingly dependant on short term memory and less dependant on long term memory if we have access to devices that can store every sound or vision that we have ever heard or seen. Think about all the crap you wouldn't have to remember. what will we do with the extra space in our brains?
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you sound like you know something, but you gave no physical fact or evidence.
Neither does he. That's why he doesn't have a single publication in a journal or a single pre-print in an accepted research archive, nor has anyone else in the world replicated their research or commented on it. These are the benchmarks of "actually having done something useful and based on reality as opposed to fantasy". All he's got is a nonsensical bunch of mumbo jumbo. Give me ONE actual PhD physicist in the world who will stand up and say "yes, that stuff is derived from what we know now".
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Neither does he. That's why he doesn't have a single publication in a journal or a single pre-print in an accepted research archive, nor has anyone else in the world replicated their research or commented on it. These are the benchmarks of "actually having done something useful and based on reality as opposed to fantasy". All he's got is a nonsensical bunch of mumbo jumbo. Give me ONE actual PhD physicist in the world who will stand up and say "yes, that stuff is derived from what we know now".
Michael shows proof, facts, data, evidence, mathematics other research, etc.
No, he's got a webpage with some stuff he claims represents stuff he's done, stuff that no-one else in the world has seen.
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So he's a self made man. A degree doesnt mean you can be successful.
Agreed.
But he's got to be able to explain himself to other people such that they understand him. So far there is no evidence that he has managed to do that.
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| So he's a self made man. A degree doesnt mean you can be successful. |
Agreed.
But he's got to be able to explain himself to other people such that they understand him. So far there is no evidence that he has managed to do that.
You just rant and rave about Michael's website, big deal.
It's called "correlation". Crappy websites with lots of animated gifs, pretend titles that don't mean anything (oooh, supposedly 30 years ago he had TOP SECRET CLEARANCE), and mumbo jumbo that I, a MSc Physicist in his field can't understand and which no-one else in the world has ever officially commented on despite the fact that he's "presented" it as a poster at a conference 2 years ago, are all highly correlated with loonies.
Ummm, no offence, but remember in grade 8 or 9 where they taught you the fundamental *methods* on which all modern science is based upon, you know like "peer review" and "repeatability" and "prediction". You didn't really catch on to or realize the importance of that, did you?
So far this guy has
- No peer review
- Not had anyone else repeat his experiment
- Not made any predictions that anyone else has confirmed as actually being true
Ok just to be mean and shoot a few holes in this thing. First, digital data has always been in binary. 1 & 0. not to say there can never be another way, but our curent computers understand 1 & 0. Ok now lets say the drive has 4 modes or levles or what ever. Referance, 0, 1, 2. Thats four. (Cds have 3 for the record as do hard drives, Refrense 1 and 0) Ok now we have a fundmental flaw. computers unde stand 1 & 0 but this drive handle 1, 2, and 3. Now lets say the drive stores in 1, 2, 3 then exports it to 1,0. Now there we go. lets look at the number 34232. In 1,2,3 that would be (hold on gotta do it by hand)
NM head hurt. But it would take 10 spots. like 3333333 thats 59049 now in binary that would be 1000010110111000 thats 16 spots. So the drive would have to convert it's 10 spots and grow it out to 16 spots. so what u say. ok that small a number is only 6 spaces. Image a load of a gig. a gig of data takes 8,388,608 spots in binary. Useing the same ratio that would be (16/10 = 8388608/x) 13,421,773 spots a diffrance of 5033164 spots. Multiply this by the size of the disk and there ya go. An enormous problem. Ok. Now some one mentioned bandwitdh of greather then a giga-bit. Now, the memory bus between the procossor and our current memmory is not that great. Lets assume that u can plug this thing right into the memmory bus and get a huge burst of data to it (this is not possibal but I'll bite) now assume that the memory socket is a gbit. Ok thats a gbit binary. That is .6 of a 1,2,3 gbit. Lol. not to mention that there would be a large amount of over head in transmitting that data. I think at this point I can leave you to imagen the problems involving data conversion. Now, Lets talk about speed to do all this. Because this device would need to be external (at first) by external i mean that it can't relay on the cpu or memory in our computer to processes the data (it dosen't undertand 1,2,3) You would have to edvolop and entire new electrial system to handle 1,2,3. We now use grnd -v and +v to show 1,0. so and electrial switch can show 1 or 0. Open or closed. But this new system would have to be open/semi-open/closed. And thats not easy. Now take all that (remember there are no diodes/ caps/ resistors/transistors/switchs etc that do 3 states. Also you must have line/wires or something.) Now once thoes exist then u need a powerful proccessor to do all this. And memory. You would need around a gig of 1,2,3 memory. (I am guessing) and probley a huge processor again in 1,2,3. Thats a lot of work to be done before that. Now there are ways around this and u can use binary and store only on the media 1,2,3. it is possibal but again you just moved the conversion of 0,1 and 1,2,3 to later in the device. So for example lets say the u have a red light a green light and white light. u use recptors to decypher what color the light is. u get the light from a source (white) and it shines threw a lenes the turnes it a certen color. This can be done with current tech. the problem is that there are 3 states so white = 0 or in binary 00 red = 1/01 and green = 2/11. so for every bit of this 1,2,3 data you need 2 bits of 0,1 data. Again the problem i see in my head is hard to explain. But i think you are starting to see it. Also a nano disk that holds that much data would be useless for real time recording so u would need as many hard drives as u intend to write data to the disk, and remeber hard drive use 01 data not 123 data.
Basicaly what i am saying at 3 am here is that i am tired and this is still bull shit
NM head hurt. But it would take 10 spots. like 3333333 thats 59049 now in binary that would be 1000010110111000 thats 16 spots. So the drive would have to convert it's 10 spots and grow it out to 16 spots. so what u say. ok that small a number is only 6 spaces. Image a load of a gig. a gig of data takes 8,388,608 spots in binary. Useing the same ratio that would be (16/10 = 8388608/x) 13,421,773 spots a diffrance of 5033164 spots. Multiply this by the size of the disk and there ya go. An enormous problem. Ok. Now some one mentioned bandwitdh of greather then a giga-bit. Now, the memory bus between the procossor and our current memmory is not that great. Lets assume that u can plug this thing right into the memmory bus and get a huge burst of data to it (this is not possibal but I'll bite) now assume that the memory socket is a gbit. Ok thats a gbit binary. That is .6 of a 1,2,3 gbit. Lol. not to mention that there would be a large amount of over head in transmitting that data. I think at this point I can leave you to imagen the problems involving data conversion. Now, Lets talk about speed to do all this. Because this device would need to be external (at first) by external i mean that it can't relay on the cpu or memory in our computer to processes the data (it dosen't undertand 1,2,3) You would have to edvolop and entire new electrial system to handle 1,2,3. We now use grnd -v and +v to show 1,0. so and electrial switch can show 1 or 0. Open or closed. But this new system would have to be open/semi-open/closed. And thats not easy. Now take all that (remember there are no diodes/ caps/ resistors/transistors/switchs etc that do 3 states. Also you must have line/wires or something.) Now once thoes exist then u need a powerful proccessor to do all this. And memory. You would need around a gig of 1,2,3 memory. (I am guessing) and probley a huge processor again in 1,2,3. Thats a lot of work to be done before that. Now there are ways around this and u can use binary and store only on the media 1,2,3. it is possibal but again you just moved the conversion of 0,1 and 1,2,3 to later in the device. So for example lets say the u have a red light a green light and white light. u use recptors to decypher what color the light is. u get the light from a source (white) and it shines threw a lenes the turnes it a certen color. This can be done with current tech. the problem is that there are 3 states so white = 0 or in binary 00 red = 1/01 and green = 2/11. so for every bit of this 1,2,3 data you need 2 bits of 0,1 data. Again the problem i see in my head is hard to explain. But i think you are starting to see it. Also a nano disk that holds that much data would be useless for real time recording so u would need as many hard drives as u intend to write data to the disk, and remeber hard drive use 01 data not 123 data.
Basicaly what i am saying at 3 am here is that i am tired and this is still bull shit
QUOTE (CK+Aug 18 2004, 02:44 AM)
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you sound like you know something, but you gave no physical fact or evidence.
Neither does he. That's why he doesn't have a single publication in a journal or a single pre-print in an accepted research archive, nor has anyone else in the world replicated their research or commented on it. These are the benchmarks of "actually having done something useful and based on reality as opposed to fantasy". All he's got is a nonsensical bunch of mumbo jumbo. Give me ONE actual PhD physicist in the world who will stand up and say "yes, that stuff is derived from what we know now".
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| you sound like you know something, but you gave no physical fact or evidence. |
Neither does he. That's why he doesn't have a single publication in a journal or a single pre-print in an accepted research archive, nor has anyone else in the world replicated their research or commented on it. These are the benchmarks of "actually having done something useful and based on reality as opposed to fantasy". All he's got is a nonsensical bunch of mumbo jumbo. Give me ONE actual PhD physicist in the world who will stand up and say "yes, that stuff is derived from what we know now".
Michael shows proof, facts, data, evidence, mathematics other research, etc.
No, he's got a webpage with some stuff he claims represents stuff he's done, stuff that no-one else in the world has seen.
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So he's a self made man. A degree doesnt mean you can be successful.
Agreed.
But he's got to be able to explain himself to other people such that they understand him. So far there is no evidence that he has managed to do that.
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| So he's a self made man. A degree doesnt mean you can be successful. |
Agreed.
But he's got to be able to explain himself to other people such that they understand him. So far there is no evidence that he has managed to do that.
You just rant and rave about Michael's website, big deal.
It's called "correlation". Crappy websites with lots of animated gifs, pretend titles that don't mean anything (oooh, supposedly 30 years ago he had TOP SECRET CLEARANCE), and mumbo jumbo that I, a MSc Physicist in his field can't understand and which no-one else in the world has ever officially commented on despite the fact that he's "presented" it as a poster at a conference 2 years ago, are all highly correlated with loonies.
Ummm, no offence, but remember in grade 8 or 9 where they taught you the fundamental *methods* on which all modern science is based upon, you know like "peer review" and "repeatability" and "prediction". You didn't really catch on to or realize the importance of that, did you?
So far this guy has
- No peer review
- Not had anyone else repeat his experiment
- Not made any predictions that anyone else has confirmed as actually being true
Ok just a note cause I took so long to write that last totaly messed up post. I would have to agree. I am no scientest but I kown from 5th grade science class that you have to have a base to work from (physcics or quantum theory or something) he says he has this. A proof (it needs to be done or at least in part done, so u can see cause and effect) and some type of external review (other people doing the same experiment and getting the same result) Remember the card board things we did science projects on. You had to explain excatly how it was done. So that some one else can do it and get excatly the same thing.
On top of that. There is psudo science. It is cause you can't prove it isn't. For example. If i were to exclude everythign about water and reflection. I could say the sky is blue because birds make it that way, but only when they are not captive and in the air and when they feel like it. Because birds don't fly at nigt (except of couse the kind that paint the sky black). Now that is perfect psudo-science. You can;t prove it's not true so it must be.
Real sciance works the other way. It works by takeing my painting thing and saying prove it. Do it in a controled enviroment and such.
I don't think this would stand up under any of these standards.
now even thory has to be based in part on something that has been done so u can see cause and effect other wise it is just an idea.
One last thing. A web site about a thory or an idea would look difrent than his. His site looks like a TV add for toothpaste. All thats missing is an X-tream and a Fat-Free maybe a Low-Carb or two. Of course the As seen on tv sticker and the word NEW flashing in gold letters. He is already useing combonation of words to describe something simple. Thats clue one, right there. Things like " digital data base exchange parking lot" OMG hurry turn to the 6 o clock news. The internet is gonna crash. If storage become a problem for the internet then we will simply adjust. Compress data or transmit less of it. We have a long way to go before a hard drive runs slower then an internet connection. Nuclear / Cosmic radiation hardened capable. What the f*ck does that mean. Expecally where that is written. "ata Storage Explosion in next 5 years will make todays storage technology inefficient, cumbersome, and obsolete in practice" LOL. again huge words to impress people but nothing accually being said, that can be proven. and heres a good one, my fav accually, "The Data Storage Industry estimates that data storage needs are doubling every 100 days....." I relize that this is on a world scale but damn my storage needs haven't changed in 6 months to a year, and last time it didn't even dubble it went from .8 TB to 1 TB. I mean wow. (200 gigs) mann 100 times more storage would mean that i would need 100 TB today and 1000 TB tomarrow. I can't watch that much porn. WOW. any way just more tired ideas.
hi cotyr
TRY getting more sleep we may understand you better or maybe pictographs or writing slower, maybe you are thinking faster than you type.
Ha I know what it is you think all the rest of us cant spell either. good thinking
I think what you are trying to say is the system would use more than 0 and 1
But what do you think is happening in the quantum field
It would be like starting again systems would need to be completely rewritten
The two would be totaly incompatable. Bit(excuse the pun)like putting a 3.5 disk in a CD.
what would concerm me is the trust you have to place in such a huge disk, even current CD,s or hard drives can be very expensive(not financially) if one goes up the duff.
AR
TRY getting more sleep we may understand you better or maybe pictographs or writing slower, maybe you are thinking faster than you type.
Ha I know what it is you think all the rest of us cant spell either. good thinking
I think what you are trying to say is the system would use more than 0 and 1
But what do you think is happening in the quantum field
It would be like starting again systems would need to be completely rewritten
The two would be totaly incompatable. Bit(excuse the pun)like putting a 3.5 disk in a CD.
what would concerm me is the trust you have to place in such a huge disk, even current CD,s or hard drives can be very expensive(not financially) if one goes up the duff.
AR
having looked at the article there is just not enough information. A Few words with a few pics. They say a picture is better than a thousand words but not in this case.
The graphics arent bad from a piccaso viewpoint but this is probably the first and last time to be seen
However, what I find interesting is why so many viewers of this mundane article?
AR
The graphics arent bad from a piccaso viewpoint but this is probably the first and last time to be seen
However, what I find interesting is why so many viewers of this mundane article?
AR
I hope these "Holographic Storage" devices take over harddrive because i'm really getting tired of looking inside my tower and seening harddrive/s...
.post commment please...
This is the NUMBER ONE viewed article on physorg.
Obviosly alot of people are interested in data storage and
the future of new concepts THAT ARE evolving.
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Obviosly alot of people are interested in data storage and
the future of new concepts THAT ARE evolving.
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Hi Holoman
It is only that because it has a subheading in google and people use that as an entrance point.
As a person having used computers for over 25 years I am interested in all things computing, However you cant see the wood for the trees.
Now we have acceptable sizes for hard drives and CD's where is the requirement for massive drives other than the "Iv'e got a bigger one than you brigade"
what we need are faster hard drives and faster memory these are the two main bottlenecks in the speed of computation.
And as a person who once large amounts of work when a HD went down you can stick these very large where the sun dont shine. I currently have 5 drives in my main machine which is ideal.
AR
It is only that because it has a subheading in google and people use that as an entrance point.
As a person having used computers for over 25 years I am interested in all things computing, However you cant see the wood for the trees.
Now we have acceptable sizes for hard drives and CD's where is the requirement for massive drives other than the "Iv'e got a bigger one than you brigade"
what we need are faster hard drives and faster memory these are the two main bottlenecks in the speed of computation.
And as a person who once large amounts of work when a HD went down you can stick these very large where the sun dont shine. I currently have 5 drives in my main machine which is ideal.
AR
Hi Opticmistic3D,
We all strive to continually improve ourselves and our technology.
Hard drives will eventually be on their way out and that's a fact.
Hard Drives of Today will reach the super-paramagnetic limit according to the premier storage professionals at IBM, in the next few years not due to write densities, but the inability to read decreasing S/N EMF fields from the ferromagnetic materials with increasing write bit densities.
Therefore, it is important as always to look to new ideas in science and technology.
We all strive to continually improve ourselves and our technology.
Hard drives will eventually be on their way out and that's a fact.
Hard Drives of Today will reach the super-paramagnetic limit according to the premier storage professionals at IBM, in the next few years not due to write densities, but the inability to read decreasing S/N EMF fields from the ferromagnetic materials with increasing write bit densities.
Therefore, it is important as always to look to new ideas in science and technology.
Hi holoman
there nothing wrong with striving but there comes a point beyond which it is pointless to go until other technology catches up and requires further better facilities
There is for instance no point in creating say a space vehicle which travels at light speed if it turns all its occupants into slimy blobs.
Technologies need to go hand in hand with others. In computing what tends to happen is that the latest ideas replace others, small drives are replaced with larger ones including all the problems they bring with them.
Imagine having to recover all the data from such a drive if it went wrong.
AR
there nothing wrong with striving but there comes a point beyond which it is pointless to go until other technology catches up and requires further better facilities
There is for instance no point in creating say a space vehicle which travels at light speed if it turns all its occupants into slimy blobs.
Technologies need to go hand in hand with others. In computing what tends to happen is that the latest ideas replace others, small drives are replaced with larger ones including all the problems they bring with them.
Imagine having to recover all the data from such a drive if it went wrong.
AR
Hi ARtone,
I wouldn't be that skeptic about these devices.
For sure we will have terabyte mediums and I think very soon. Doesn't matter what technology they are going to use, one or another - the right one will be found.
When I bought 2 GB HDD about 10 years ago all my friends told me I'm crazy. They couldn't imagine why would I need that much. And I was proud I could store THE WHOLE CD(!) on my HDD.
I wouldn't be that skeptic about these devices.
For sure we will have terabyte mediums and I think very soon. Doesn't matter what technology they are going to use, one or another - the right one will be found.
When I bought 2 GB HDD about 10 years ago all my friends told me I'm crazy. They couldn't imagine why would I need that much. And I was proud I could store THE WHOLE CD(!) on my HDD.
Hi John
I aggree my first computer used a tape recorder to store everything I still have a modern looking IBM in the loft with a scusi 750k hard drive.
The annoyance comes from a person trying to promote a wierd device on the site which can be accessed by the sub heading from a googly search for physorg. and I find it still difficult to come to terms with loosing a vast amount of downloaded records because of a faulty drive.
AR
I aggree my first computer used a tape recorder to store everything I still have a modern looking IBM in the loft with a scusi 750k hard drive.
The annoyance comes from a person trying to promote a wierd device on the site which can be accessed by the sub heading from a googly search for physorg. and I find it still difficult to come to terms with loosing a vast amount of downloaded records because of a faulty drive.
AR
Vulvox Nano/Biotechnology Corporation has a technology in the works that will make it possible to make one cm square circuit chips that contain 50 trillion transistors in a 50 micrometer layer. We also have nano size Q bit gates on the drawing board. Vulvox Nano/Biotechnology Corporation There are theorists who claim that quantum processors will be a million times faster than electronic processors.
David Deutch is one of them. We have the means to do it. If the q-bit logic gate is possible this processor with a million times the density of regular processors and million times the speed of other processors, it may be able to think like a human being.
David Deutch is one of them. We have the means to do it. If the q-bit logic gate is possible this processor with a million times the density of regular processors and million times the speed of other processors, it may be able to think like a human being.
QUOTE (protologics+Jan 9 2005, 04:03 AM)
There are theorists who claim that quantum processors will be a million times faster than electronic processors.
It depends on the task. Some tasks like cryptographic hacking will go much faster, but other tasks won't.
It depends on the task. Some tasks like cryptographic hacking will go much faster, but other tasks won't.
Webpage talking about polarized atom entangled data storage follows directly with the reseachers findings.
http://colossalstorage.net/home_entangled.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/home_entangled.htm
QUOTE (CK+Aug 18 2004, 02:44 AM)
It's called "correlation". Crappy websites with lots of animated gifs, pretend titles that don't mean anything (oooh, supposedly 30 years ago he had TOP SECRET CLEARANCE), and mumbo jumbo that I, a MSc Physicist in his field can't understand and which no-one else in the world has ever officially commented on despite the fact that he's "presented" it as a poster at a conference 2 years ago, are all highly correlated with loonies.
Ummm, no offence, but remember in grade 8 or 9 where they taught you the fundamental *methods* on which all modern science is based upon, you know like "peer review" and "repeatability" and "prediction". You didn't really catch on to or realize the importance of that, did you?
So far this guy has
Well said ... exactly what I think of him.
Ummm, no offence, but remember in grade 8 or 9 where they taught you the fundamental *methods* on which all modern science is based upon, you know like "peer review" and "repeatability" and "prediction". You didn't really catch on to or realize the importance of that, did you?
So far this guy has
- No peer review
- Not had anyone else repeat his experiment
- Not made any predictions that anyone else has confirmed as actually being true
Well said ... exactly what I think of him.
Your right the same was said about Columbus, Wright Brothers, Marconi, Galileo, Einstein, and Thomas Edison among others.
I imagine he feels in good company.
I imagine he feels in good company.
Nah, i really doubt his claims. To start, the website is just plain terrible. Even if you don't really know much about building webpages, you surely can do better than that. It doesn't give a good impression.
His site is full of so called claims and breakthroughs etc etc... For example:
come on... he can't be serious. Perhaps in 15 years or so, but not anytime soon. Of course, at such a timescale of more than a decade, I can write a similar website and claim all those things.
I believe it when I actually SEE something from Colossalstorage, which isn't the case as of today!
If anything he says is true, he would be rich in no time.
His site is full of so called claims and breakthroughs etc etc... For example:
QUOTE
What are the Major Improvements to Storage Technology ;
- will have highest NLO analog / digital / optical capacity available
- will have lowest cost per gigabyte
- will have lowest power requirement per gigabyte
- will have longest archive shelf life of any data storage media, 100 years
- will have widest environmental conditions and tolerances
- will be only technology that scales from nano to macro solutions
- will have most reliable removable read / write media available
- will have highest bandwidth data transfer potential
- will be direct replacement for hard disk drives
- will not be effected by extreme high energy Cosmic Rays
i.e. Solar Flares and Solar Winds for Moon / Mars Exploration
- will be nuclear/cosmic radiation hardened capable
3.5 in. disk using 5 nm particle with 100 u in. coating = ~ 1.5 EXABYTES of data storage
- will have highest NLO analog / digital / optical capacity available
- will have lowest cost per gigabyte
- will have lowest power requirement per gigabyte
- will have longest archive shelf life of any data storage media, 100 years
- will have widest environmental conditions and tolerances
- will be only technology that scales from nano to macro solutions
- will have most reliable removable read / write media available
- will have highest bandwidth data transfer potential
- will be direct replacement for hard disk drives
- will not be effected by extreme high energy Cosmic Rays
i.e. Solar Flares and Solar Winds for Moon / Mars Exploration
- will be nuclear/cosmic radiation hardened capable
3.5 in. disk using 5 nm particle with 100 u in. coating = ~ 1.5 EXABYTES of data storage
come on... he can't be serious. Perhaps in 15 years or so, but not anytime soon. Of course, at such a timescale of more than a decade, I can write a similar website and claim all those things.
I believe it when I actually SEE something from Colossalstorage, which isn't the case as of today!
If anything he says is true, he would be rich in no time.
Great ! Let us know the web address when you complete it.
I am always curious for something new to read and enjoy.
When do you think you will have your website up ?
I am always curious for something new to read and enjoy.
When do you think you will have your website up ?
Marc G.
Just ran across this on the Colossal Storage Website about peer review.
Publications
Atomic Holographic Optical Storage Nanotechnology Drive has been reviewed by the scientific and technology industry in the following publications.
1. Thomas, Michael E., Atomic Holographic Storage Nanotechnology, Invited Presentation to National Science Foundation, Arlington Va. Feb 24 2004 .
2. Thomas, Michael E., New nanotechnology to solve future digital data storage problems. NanoNews Report July 2004.
3. Thomas, Michael E ., Ferroelectric Molecular Optical Storage Nanotechnology. 211-216, Eight NASA Goddard Conference on Mass Storage Systems and Technologies, Seventeenth IEEE Symposium on Mass Storage Systems, on March 27-30, 2000 .
4. Thomas, Michel E., 3D Ferroelectric Optical Data Storage , Naval Postgraduate School, Space Systems Academic Group, Ferroelectricity Newsletter Vol. 7, No.3, page 7.
5. Thomas, Michael E., 3D Optical Data Storage Nanotechnology, IDEMA - Insights September/October 2000 issue.
6. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric Molecular Holographic Optical Storage Nanotechnology, Max Planck Institute of Microstructure Physics Symposium on Spin-Electronics PA-53
7. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric Optical Data Storage, The Institute of NanoTechnology 3rd EuroConference NanoScience for Nanotechnology, Sept 16th - 19 th 2000 .
8. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric molecular optical storage nanotechnology, Optical Storage and Optical Interface Processing, 26-28 July 2000, Taipei Taiwan [4081-38]
9. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric molecular optical storage nanotechnology, SPIE's 45th Annual Meeting, The Int'l Symposium on Optical Science and Technology, San Diego Convention Center, San Diego, CA 30 July to 4 Aug 2000.
Just ran across this on the Colossal Storage Website about peer review.
Publications
Atomic Holographic Optical Storage Nanotechnology Drive has been reviewed by the scientific and technology industry in the following publications.
1. Thomas, Michael E., Atomic Holographic Storage Nanotechnology, Invited Presentation to National Science Foundation, Arlington Va. Feb 24 2004 .
2. Thomas, Michael E., New nanotechnology to solve future digital data storage problems. NanoNews Report July 2004.
3. Thomas, Michael E ., Ferroelectric Molecular Optical Storage Nanotechnology. 211-216, Eight NASA Goddard Conference on Mass Storage Systems and Technologies, Seventeenth IEEE Symposium on Mass Storage Systems, on March 27-30, 2000 .
4. Thomas, Michel E., 3D Ferroelectric Optical Data Storage , Naval Postgraduate School, Space Systems Academic Group, Ferroelectricity Newsletter Vol. 7, No.3, page 7.
5. Thomas, Michael E., 3D Optical Data Storage Nanotechnology, IDEMA - Insights September/October 2000 issue.
6. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric Molecular Holographic Optical Storage Nanotechnology, Max Planck Institute of Microstructure Physics Symposium on Spin-Electronics PA-53
7. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric Optical Data Storage, The Institute of NanoTechnology 3rd EuroConference NanoScience for Nanotechnology, Sept 16th - 19 th 2000 .
8. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric molecular optical storage nanotechnology, Optical Storage and Optical Interface Processing, 26-28 July 2000, Taipei Taiwan [4081-38]
9. Thomas, Michael E., Ferroelectric molecular optical storage nanotechnology, SPIE's 45th Annual Meeting, The Int'l Symposium on Optical Science and Technology, San Diego Convention Center, San Diego, CA 30 July to 4 Aug 2000.
QUOTE (holoman+Jan 15 2005, 06:44 PM)
Marc G.
Just ran across this on the Colossal Storage Website about peer review.
ok... if it is all true... it is and will remain theory for quite some time. I have yet to see anything real from that guy.
Just ran across this on the Colossal Storage Website about peer review.
ok... if it is all true... it is and will remain theory for quite some time. I have yet to see anything real from that guy.
Something suggests me that Mr. holoman is the same person as Mr. M. Thomas ...
QUOTE (Dr. X+Jan 17 2005, 03:12 PM)
Something suggests me that Mr. holoman is the same person as Mr. M. Thomas ...
Lol... that sounds plausible
Lol... that sounds plausible
Marc G.
ok... if it is all true... it is and will remain theory for quite some time. I have yet to see anything real from that guy.
except you have not published a website, received patents, published papers, or shown anything to us proving you have a theory about anything interesting to read.
QUOTE
ok... if it is all true... it is and will remain theory for quite some time. I have yet to see anything real from that guy.
except you have not published a website, received patents, published papers, or shown anything to us proving you have a theory about anything interesting to read.
QUOTE (holoman+Jan 17 2005, 04:38 PM)
except you have not published a website, received patents, published papers, or shown anything to us proving you have a theory about anything interesting to read.
Did I claim otherwise?
The thing is, that this Colossal Storage is claiming things for years now, but there hasn't been any demonstration whatsoever. Not even a very basic proof of concept. Only some nice drawings (if you can call them nice). This really falls in the category of vaporware (things that never reach the market).
Another page on his site is mentioning OLED displays of "200 Terapixel to 4 Petapixels". The most highly advanced commercial displays available today don't even come close to this. So, if it is true what he is saying, Samsung and other display manufactures would be very interested.
Yet another thing: i came across the following:
"The data bit densities will be low at around 40 gigabits/sq.in. due to the newness’ of the technology going thru a learning curve to higher densities of > 200 Terabits/sq.in. to 40,000 Terabits/cu.cm."
Why is he mixing sq.in. and cu.cm.? This really does not give a good impression.
His page "Research Data Supporting Colossal Storage Technology" contains a bunch of so called "research data", but there is no structure in it (not even sorted by date). Some links don't even work anymore
His reference page is also just a bunch of links all over the place. There are standards for references.
According to him: "Internet web usage is growing at 2300 % per year."? Where did he get that number?
"The mass data storage market is expected to be 47 billion dollars in 2003."... mmmm we are already 2005, so I would guess that he could replace this with an actual value instead of an expected value...
Just one question, IF all this is true what he is claiming, then why are the big companies not jumping on it? He could make some really lucrative contracts with multinationals like Samsung, Intel, Sony, ... just to mention a few.
Did I claim otherwise?
The thing is, that this Colossal Storage is claiming things for years now, but there hasn't been any demonstration whatsoever. Not even a very basic proof of concept. Only some nice drawings (if you can call them nice). This really falls in the category of vaporware (things that never reach the market).
Another page on his site is mentioning OLED displays of "200 Terapixel to 4 Petapixels". The most highly advanced commercial displays available today don't even come close to this. So, if it is true what he is saying, Samsung and other display manufactures would be very interested.
Yet another thing: i came across the following:
"The data bit densities will be low at around 40 gigabits/sq.in. due to the newness’ of the technology going thru a learning curve to higher densities of > 200 Terabits/sq.in. to 40,000 Terabits/cu.cm."
Why is he mixing sq.in. and cu.cm.? This really does not give a good impression.
His page "Research Data Supporting Colossal Storage Technology" contains a bunch of so called "research data", but there is no structure in it (not even sorted by date). Some links don't even work anymore
His reference page is also just a bunch of links all over the place. There are standards for references.
According to him: "Internet web usage is growing at 2300 % per year."? Where did he get that number?
"The mass data storage market is expected to be 47 billion dollars in 2003."... mmmm we are already 2005, so I would guess that he could replace this with an actual value instead of an expected value...
Just one question, IF all this is true what he is claiming, then why are the big companies not jumping on it? He could make some really lucrative contracts with multinationals like Samsung, Intel, Sony, ... just to mention a few.
Look like he published some pretty impressive articles in the past. I saw an article about his company a year ago and he said they would be marketing holographic disks in 2004. What happened in 2004?
My friend is the President of a nanotechnology company and he has a masters degree in engineering. He says it is hard for him to get grant money because of his level of education. The SBIR program does want to give money to people with less education than a PhD no matter what the quality of their technology is. That has not stopped him from getting a patent on a process to manufacture carbon naohorn and nanotubes. He invented the first practical process to make nanohorns.
QUOTE (holoman+Jan 17 2005, 04:38 PM)
Marc G.
ok... if it is all true... it is and will remain theory for quite some time. I have yet to see anything real from that guy.
except you have not published a website, received patents, published papers, or shown anything to us proving you have a theory about anything interesting to read.
Marc G.
Do you think you could publish something original for us to read ?
QUOTE
ok... if it is all true... it is and will remain theory for quite some time. I have yet to see anything real from that guy.
except you have not published a website, received patents, published papers, or shown anything to us proving you have a theory about anything interesting to read.
Marc G.
Do you think you could publish something original for us to read ?
protologics,
Innovation doesn't always equal financial success and that doesnt mean scientist and technologist should give up trying.
Innovation doesn't always equal financial success and that doesnt mean scientist and technologist should give up trying.
QUOTE (protologics+Jan 18 2005, 02:42 PM)
Look like he published some pretty impressive articles in the past. I saw an article about his company a year ago and he said they would be marketing holographic disks in 2004. What happened in 2004?
Just another bad sign
Just another bad sign
QUOTE (protologics+Jan 18 2005, 02:52 PM)
The SBIR program does want to give money to people with less education than a PhD no matter what the quality of their technology is. That has not stopped him from getting a patent on a process to manufacture carbon naohorn and nanotubes. He invented the first practical process to make nanohorns.
That's a stupid rule of SBIR
What are nanohorns? I know nanotubes, but I've never heard about nanohorns...
That's a stupid rule of SBIR
What are nanohorns? I know nanotubes, but I've never heard about nanohorns...
QUOTE (holoman+Jan 18 2005, 04:55 PM)
Do you think you could publish something original for us to read ?
I'm not a physics engineer and I don't have time. But given time, I could come up with some nice article explaining some technology that might be possible in say 10 years. Of course, I wouldn't put this timeframe in the article, as to 'tease' the reader as is done by lots of other writers...
Of course, they shouldn't give up trying! But they should stop promising things and never delivering them. Like that article protologics mentioned that said that Colossal Storage would market a holographic drive in 2004. It doesn't give a good impression and it causes people to start calling it vaporware.
I'm not a physics engineer and I don't have time. But given time, I could come up with some nice article explaining some technology that might be possible in say 10 years. Of course, I wouldn't put this timeframe in the article, as to 'tease' the reader as is done by lots of other writers...
QUOTE
Innovation doesn't always equal financial success and that doesnt mean scientist and technologist should give up trying.
Of course, they shouldn't give up trying! But they should stop promising things and never delivering them. Like that article protologics mentioned that said that Colossal Storage would market a holographic drive in 2004. It doesn't give a good impression and it causes people to start calling it vaporware.
I just tried to verified the 2004 infomation publsihed by going
to the Colossal Storage Homepage and here is what I found....
It looks like they say 2009 and NOT 2004.
to the Colossal Storage Homepage and here is what I found....
QUOTE
3 of America's Top Universities and Scientist are working on completion of " Proof of Concept " for the Atomic Holographic Optical Storage Drive.
Holographic Drives are beginning materials research and prototype development and will not be on the market until 2009.
Holographic Drives are beginning materials research and prototype development and will not be on the market until 2009.
It looks like they say 2009 and NOT 2004.
He's been working on it a long time, according to the collosal strorage webpage.
Bush is cutting money that was going to science and technology. He's making a big mistake cutting the advanced technology program, it was a net generator of tax revenue and jobs. That's going to hurt the budget.
Bush is cutting money that was going to science and technology. He's making a big mistake cutting the advanced technology program, it was a net generator of tax revenue and jobs. That's going to hurt the budget.
My two cents worth:Processing times are relative in proportion to what your desire input rate, into any machine should be.
A faster processing, also means that one could loose touch with their machines?
A faster processing, also means that one could loose touch with their machines?
Article from P2Pnet about ferroelectric discovered as the material used in most optical media disks.
Most all Phase Change media uses ferroelectric Ge2Sb2Te5 material. The DVD/CD/MO/Blu-Ray Phase Change only knew if they heated it up and cooled it down something happened to the surface of the material.
Below are two links by way of evidence that in 2005, the data phase companies didn’t know they were using ferroelectric media.
Dear data storage enterprises
Most all Phase Change media uses ferroelectric Ge2Sb2Te5 material. The DVD/CD/MO/Blu-Ray Phase Change only knew if they heated it up and cooled it down something happened to the surface of the material.
Below are two links by way of evidence that in 2005, the data phase companies didn’t know they were using ferroelectric media.
Dear data storage enterprises
Holo' this article was noted.
The key question is, since how electronic elements gain their knowledge and actuation is not fully understood by other processes, is how will altered processes of manufacture, alter the perception of e-machines, to mankind?
This is an extrapolate to Xerox PARC discoveries, that components placed on a board, do sort of possess their own souls.
If we remote the manufacturing process, then the machine might polate to their own needs and totally disregard man as being extoppic, via his non-concern?
The key question is, since how electronic elements gain their knowledge and actuation is not fully understood by other processes, is how will altered processes of manufacture, alter the perception of e-machines, to mankind?
This is an extrapolate to Xerox PARC discoveries, that components placed on a board, do sort of possess their own souls.
If we remote the manufacturing process, then the machine might polate to their own needs and totally disregard man as being extoppic, via his non-concern?
philip347
I agree. I like your thought process.
We have alot to learn in this regard and thinking outside the box
like you do will help facilitate this direction.
Holoman
I agree. I like your thought process.
We have alot to learn in this regard and thinking outside the box
like you do will help facilitate this direction.
Holoman
I remember reading a press release at the IDF in 1999 involving Quantum (the Harddrive company) working on a "light drive". It worked in 3D instead of 2D and was pioneered by a man named Hollis.
Could these be related?
Note to the search nazi's. The specifics of my comments above are likely innaccurate as they as pulled from memory alone. If you have corrections, please do post.
Could these be related?
Note to the search nazi's. The specifics of my comments above are likely innaccurate as they as pulled from memory alone. If you have corrections, please do post.
Ran across this article on a disk drive shortage.
I went and checked Fry's Electronic ad pages and they didn't have any disk drives listed which is abnormal for them.
Article says, Disks in short supply, hardware vendors say
IBM, EMC confirm the shortage, say it may not be resolved until midyear
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopic...1,99341,00.html
If this shortage is just a blip fine,
but if not it will effect alot of people and companies bottom line.
I went and checked Fry's Electronic ad pages and they didn't have any disk drives listed which is abnormal for them.
Article says, Disks in short supply, hardware vendors say
IBM, EMC confirm the shortage, say it may not be resolved until midyear
http://www.computerworld.com/hardwaretopic...1,99341,00.html
If this shortage is just a blip fine,
but if not it will effect alot of people and companies bottom line.
It's about time... lets face it, ones and zeros are on their way out. It is time to use light and the vast potential offered by using it as a form of data transfer. Instantanious data, of any size... Huge storage is only as fast as the ability to process huge amounts of data. We need to start using light and get away from ones and zeros.
We'll get away from them as soon as possible. Light drive Mr. Engineer!
We'll meet up with the Nietscheians at Andromeda as planned!
Looks like University of Virginia has been added to the list
verifying Michael Thomas' Patents at Colossal Storage
on his photon induced electric field poling of a molecule.
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/509762/
verifying Michael Thomas' Patents at Colossal Storage
on his photon induced electric field poling of a molecule.
http://www.newswise.com/articles/view/509762/
That UVa article is hardly the same thing as described by Colossal Storage. Are you really trying to say that the two are linked? How?
UVa
The scientists first "excited" the atom with lasers, causing the electron to swirl about more slowly and farther out from the nucleus, according to Haruka Maeda, a senior research scientist at U.Va. and the project’s main investigator. Then they brought predictable order to the orbit with a "periodic force" from a microwave, This is the first time scientists have been able to manipulate electrons into a classical orbit for an extended period of time. Maeda said the classical orbit can be nearly infinitely maintained.
Thomas
Molecular dissociation following Thomas' patents cover methods for a Non-contact ultraviolet / blue laser photon induced electric field poling using UV at the same wavelength as a molecular transition will create controllable clouds of electrons in harmonic waves (plasmon).
Some organic/inorganic molecules have resonant valence orbit electrons that under the proper Quantum UV/Blue photoexcitation allow conduction band electrons to move freely for a short time. Plasmon known as electric current along with the nano/microwave electric field present providing a spin current mechanism for ferroelectric perovskite molecules to switch binary positions. The unique concept of resonant absorption excitation by UV/Blue light causing molecular dissociation and simultaneous electric field application ( Pockels effect ) can be used for writing 3D volume data so when it is read back having coherent interference waves in a beam of UV/Blue photon radiation.
The scientists first "excited" the atom with lasers, causing the electron to swirl about more slowly and farther out from the nucleus, according to Haruka Maeda, a senior research scientist at U.Va. and the project’s main investigator. Then they brought predictable order to the orbit with a "periodic force" from a microwave, This is the first time scientists have been able to manipulate electrons into a classical orbit for an extended period of time. Maeda said the classical orbit can be nearly infinitely maintained.
Thomas
Molecular dissociation following Thomas' patents cover methods for a Non-contact ultraviolet / blue laser photon induced electric field poling using UV at the same wavelength as a molecular transition will create controllable clouds of electrons in harmonic waves (plasmon).
Some organic/inorganic molecules have resonant valence orbit electrons that under the proper Quantum UV/Blue photoexcitation allow conduction band electrons to move freely for a short time. Plasmon known as electric current along with the nano/microwave electric field present providing a spin current mechanism for ferroelectric perovskite molecules to switch binary positions. The unique concept of resonant absorption excitation by UV/Blue light causing molecular dissociation and simultaneous electric field application ( Pockels effect ) can be used for writing 3D volume data so when it is read back having coherent interference waves in a beam of UV/Blue photon radiation.
OK, perhaps you misunderstood my question (at 3am and after a pint or so of crown, I barely understand it myself ;-)). We've known for a very long time that we can coerce elctrons into this type of predicatable orbit (though this is the first sustainable demonstration of this theory). What I'm saying is, how is a technique that requires constant microwave (not UV btw) input relate to a non-volatile storage device? A device that has a "Shelf life of 100 years"? If you can correlate those two facts, I'll be rather impressed. I've had my PhD in quantum physics for 9 years now, and this makes absolutely no sense to me...
Amok,
From Colossal webpage
Researchers continue to Verify and Prove Colossal Storage Patented nanoTechnology Argonne National Labs , Sandia Labs , University of Ottawa and the Steacie Institute of Molecular Sciences , University of Bonn, Germany , Phys. Rev. Lett. 88, 083601 , Francesco De Martini of the University of Rome "La Sapienza" and INFM in Italy , CERN and others , NOE - Europe, University of Toronto, University of Maryland, IBM , Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory , Chalmers/Göteborg University .
What some of the over 1200 World's Top Post Doctoral PhD's Scientist at MIT, GIT, Purdue, Harvard, Yale, Calpoly, UF, UT, UCB, UCLA, USC, UCSD, NYU, Los Alamos, ORNL, LLNL, Sandia Labs, JPL, Fermi, CERN, Max Plank Institute, Russian Academy of Science, Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial College, IIT, Osaka University, Chinese Academy of Science, and many other colleges and universities are saying about their desire to be part of the Colossal Storage Research Team .
3 of America's Top Universities and Scientist are working on completion of " Proof of Concept " for the Atomic Holographic Optical Storage Drive.
I have found the website interesting to read.
holoman
From Colossal webpage
Researchers continue to Verify and Prove Colossal Storage Patented nanoTechnology Argonne National Labs , Sandia Labs , University of Ottawa and the Steacie Institute of Molecular Sciences , University of Bonn, Germany , Phys. Rev. Lett. 88, 083601 , Francesco De Martini of the University of Rome "La Sapienza" and INFM in Italy , CERN and others , NOE - Europe, University of Toronto, University of Maryland, IBM , Lawrence Berkeley National Laboratory , Chalmers/Göteborg University .
What some of the over 1200 World's Top Post Doctoral PhD's Scientist at MIT, GIT, Purdue, Harvard, Yale, Calpoly, UF, UT, UCB, UCLA, USC, UCSD, NYU, Los Alamos, ORNL, LLNL, Sandia Labs, JPL, Fermi, CERN, Max Plank Institute, Russian Academy of Science, Oxford, Cambridge, Imperial College, IIT, Osaka University, Chinese Academy of Science, and many other colleges and universities are saying about their desire to be part of the Colossal Storage Research Team .
3 of America's Top Universities and Scientist are working on completion of " Proof of Concept " for the Atomic Holographic Optical Storage Drive.
I have found the website interesting to read.
holoman
holoman,
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but the fact is that what you just posted doesn't actually say anything. I actually worked at a couple of the labs/unis listed in your statement, and I have 40 of what I consider to be the top 1200 scientists/engineers in the world working for me. Quite a few of them still hold positions at various unis/labs. I could say something similar about every single project my company has going, and while not false, doesn't really mean a thing.
"What some of the over 1200 World's Top Post Doctoral PhD's" --> what does this mean? Does some of the 1200 mean 2, 10, 50, or what? And what "top 1200" list are they going by anyway?
"3 of America's Top Universities and Scientist are working on completion of" --> again, this doesn't say anything. I can go out Monday, get on the phone and get 3 research teams from top unis to work on anything I want. If they think I'm full of crap, they'll still take my money and get some grad student/undergrad to piddle around with it for a few months for free (or more likely a letter of recommendation) while they use my money on their real research.
The fact remains that I haven't seen a single bit of real world proof for this concept. All I see are a bunch of buzzwords and meaningless statements.
I don't mean to be rude or anything, but the fact is that what you just posted doesn't actually say anything. I actually worked at a couple of the labs/unis listed in your statement, and I have 40 of what I consider to be the top 1200 scientists/engineers in the world working for me. Quite a few of them still hold positions at various unis/labs. I could say something similar about every single project my company has going, and while not false, doesn't really mean a thing.
"What some of the over 1200 World's Top Post Doctoral PhD's" --> what does this mean? Does some of the 1200 mean 2, 10, 50, or what? And what "top 1200" list are they going by anyway?
"3 of America's Top Universities and Scientist are working on completion of" --> again, this doesn't say anything. I can go out Monday, get on the phone and get 3 research teams from top unis to work on anything I want. If they think I'm full of crap, they'll still take my money and get some grad student/undergrad to piddle around with it for a few months for free (or more likely a letter of recommendation) while they use my money on their real research.
The fact remains that I haven't seen a single bit of real world proof for this concept. All I see are a bunch of buzzwords and meaningless statements.
Amok,
I think you should go out and start your own company with your people.
I think its fantastic for people to bring new opportunities to market.
You sound like you have the talent and the connections.
I wish you the best of luck.
By the way heres some of Colossal's management team.
http://www.colossalstorage.net/management/management.htm
holoman
I think you should go out and start your own company with your people.
I think its fantastic for people to bring new opportunities to market.
You sound like you have the talent and the connections.
I wish you the best of luck.
By the way heres some of Colossal's management team.
http://www.colossalstorage.net/management/management.htm
holoman
Well, Ph.D.'s aside, the website certainly looks less than promising. You would hope that a company involved and theoretically invested in such-cutting edge, computer-oriented tech would have a more compelling design. That may seem irrelevant, but considering that these products would be history-making, it doesn't bode well that they've decided to advertise - but do it so poorly.The diagrams look cocktail-napkin concept drawings, and the words "Si or other suitable substrate materials" make everything sound very up-in-the-air. The words, "excitation by UV/Blue light causing molecular dissociation and simultaneous electric field application ( Pockels effect)" also come up way too often, and seem like a catch-phrase rather than a disipline. One of those, "if this part worked, all of this other stuff would to," kinda deals.
I agree with Amok - these phrases, like the nano-prefix itself, are being used to bait interest. Methinks it's a small, CONCEPTUAL project at a small, startup company, which in turn is looking for investors and backing by throwing up meaningless keywords.
On the other hand, /. just ran an interesting and much more verifiable story on this...
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/05/2050242
Now, in Fuji I trust. At least, far more than Create-a-Corp there.
My 2c.
I agree with Amok - these phrases, like the nano-prefix itself, are being used to bait interest. Methinks it's a small, CONCEPTUAL project at a small, startup company, which in turn is looking for investors and backing by throwing up meaningless keywords.
On the other hand, /. just ran an interesting and much more verifiable story on this...
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/05/2050242
Now, in Fuji I trust. At least, far more than Create-a-Corp there.
My 2c.
clever_name,
Colossal does a critque of other drive technologies including Fuji.
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal5c.htm
holoman
Colossal does a critque of other drive technologies including Fuji.
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal5c.htm
holoman
QUOTE (clever_name+Feb 12 2005, 06:37 AM)
Well, Ph.D.'s aside, the website certainly looks less than promising. You would hope that a company involved and theoretically invested in such-cutting edge, computer-oriented tech would have a more compelling design. That may seem irrelevant, but considering that these products would be history-making, it doesn't bode well that they've decided to advertise - but do it so poorly.The diagrams look cocktail-napkin concept drawings, and the words "Si or other suitable substrate materials" make everything sound very up-in-the-air. The words, "excitation by UV/Blue light causing molecular dissociation and simultaneous electric field application ( Pockels effect)" also come up way too often, and seem like a catch-phrase rather than a disipline. One of those, "if this part worked, all of this other stuff would to," kinda deals.
I agree with Amok - these phrases, like the nano-prefix itself, are being used to bait interest. Methinks it's a small, CONCEPTUAL project at a small, startup company, which in turn is looking for investors and backing by throwing up meaningless keywords.
On the other hand, /. just ran an interesting and much more verifiable story on this...
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/05/2050242
Now, in Fuji I trust. At least, far more than Create-a-Corp there.
My 2c.
Exactly the same opinion as I have....
I agree with Amok - these phrases, like the nano-prefix itself, are being used to bait interest. Methinks it's a small, CONCEPTUAL project at a small, startup company, which in turn is looking for investors and backing by throwing up meaningless keywords.
On the other hand, /. just ran an interesting and much more verifiable story on this...
http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=05/02/05/2050242
Now, in Fuji I trust. At least, far more than Create-a-Corp there.
My 2c.
Exactly the same opinion as I have....
Amok and Clever_name (probably same person)
non registered members opinions carry no weight.
Marc G.,
You as a business man I am astonished by your public comments.
Your website sure has a striking resemblence to Colossal Homepage.
http://www.colossalstorage.net/
I am sure the folks at Colossal would be interested to know your Belgium company
sells among other things software for disk drives and operating systems, probably to Philips companies.
http://www.nuonsoft.com/
I have heard they are looking for an innovative data base software company for
their drive, your comments will definitely let you out I'm sure.
By the way guys, all buildings, railroads, cars, planes, computers, space shuttle etc.
start with an idea and a concept. You might want to keep this in mind for the future.
non registered members opinions carry no weight.
Marc G.,
You as a business man I am astonished by your public comments.
Your website sure has a striking resemblence to Colossal Homepage.
http://www.colossalstorage.net/
I am sure the folks at Colossal would be interested to know your Belgium company
sells among other things software for disk drives and operating systems, probably to Philips companies.
http://www.nuonsoft.com/
I have heard they are looking for an innovative data base software company for
their drive, your comments will definitely let you out I'm sure.
By the way guys, all buildings, railroads, cars, planes, computers, space shuttle etc.
start with an idea and a concept. You might want to keep this in mind for the future.
Holoman, your last comment reminds me of a kid putting his hand over his ears and repeating over and over "I don't hear anything" when someone is trying to tell him something he doesn't enjoy.
What I'm trying to say about this tech is that there are fundamental problems with the concept that noone has even attempted to explain. I asked for clarification on this and got PR spin back instead of any kind of answer.
I then pointed out that I was getting spin instead of answers, and now my opinion carries no weight? Lol, I've always considered a persons comments to carry weight based on whether or not they were thoughtful and/or insightful, not whether or not they bothered to fill out some web form.
Anyways, thats the last I have to say on this subject. Its not worth commenting on anymore, unless you are willing to provide some actual information. Everyone have a nice V-Day.
What I'm trying to say about this tech is that there are fundamental problems with the concept that noone has even attempted to explain. I asked for clarification on this and got PR spin back instead of any kind of answer.
I then pointed out that I was getting spin instead of answers, and now my opinion carries no weight? Lol, I've always considered a persons comments to carry weight based on whether or not they were thoughtful and/or insightful, not whether or not they bothered to fill out some web form.
Anyways, thats the last I have to say on this subject. Its not worth commenting on anymore, unless you are willing to provide some actual information. Everyone have a nice V-Day.
Amok,
As you asked.
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal5k.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal7.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal8.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal9.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal10.htm
http://www.colossalstorage.net/colossal11.htm
Some of the links are old and dont work but that's not necessary.
I hope this helps you.
holoman
As you asked.
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal5k.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal7.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal8.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal9.htm
http://colossalstorage.net/colossal10.htm
http://www.colossalstorage.net/colossal11.htm
Some of the links are old and dont work but that's not necessary.
I hope this helps you.
holoman
When will these 100TB disk storage devices be available?
Matrix,
On their website the say, "Holographic Drives are beginning materials research and prototype development and will not be on the market until 2009".
On their website the say, "Holographic Drives are beginning materials research and prototype development and will not be on the market until 2009".
QUOTE
Matrix Posted on Feb 17 2005, 12:04 AM
When will these 100TB disk storage devices be available?
When will these 100TB disk storage devices be available?
That was exactly the first post in this thread (on Aug 12, 2004)
QUOTE (holoman+Feb 13 2005, 05:20 PM)
Marc G.,
You as a business man I am astonished by your public comments.
Your website sure has a striking resemblence to Colossal Homepage.
How is that?
At least there are some actual products my website...
You as a business man I am astonished by your public comments.
Your website sure has a striking resemblence to Colossal Homepage.
How is that?
At least there are some actual products my website...
QUOTE (BobZero+Aug 15 2004, 07:19 PM)
What's next? A cold fusion generator did he say? Yes. We have one on the drawing board at Vulvox Nano/Biotechnology Corporation. I have been working on that project 15 years and today I finished the calculations on the efficiency of the muonic fusion reactor. It will operate at about 1000K, a "cool fusion" reactor not exactly a cold fusion reaction. It is not done in water but in mixtures of deuterium and tritium gas at much lower temperatures than thermonuclear fusion, which takes place at several times the temperature of the sun's core. A lot of work on muonic fusion has been done at places such as TRIUMPH in Canada and RIKEN in Japan and also some seminal work has been done at Las Alamos Laboratory and the Pacific Northwest Laboratory. The muonic fusion reaction might be run at cryogenic temperatures using deuterium and tritium fuel also. If the reactor does not achive break-even it will be useful in generating neutrons to be used in transmutation of nuclear fission wastes into harmless elements that cannot be used in dirty bombs by terrorist that steal the waste. Read our webpage by clicking on the muonic fusion link at
Vulvox Nano/Biotechnology Corporation
There is already a thread about Vulvox..
http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtopic=704
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i'm filing atomic holographic storage right next to Advanced Sub-Carrier Modulation, a technology developed by Media Fusion LLC. basically, it harnesses the magnetic field around a wire carrying current by injecting microwave beams into it using quantum wells, allowing users to transmit data through the powerlines at unimaginable speeds. Luke Stewart, the founder and president of Media Fusion, had several congressional hearings on the technology, as it would provide super-cheap, super-fast communication capabilities to rural communities. however, the technology was consistently 2-3 years away from commercialization, and it was "extensively tested" in guatemala. in the meantime, Mr. Stewart was riding around in limos, drinking fancy champagne, and flying around the country on vacations. eventually, Stewart and other founders were charged with all sorts of fraud and theft. here's a link to a dallas business journal article on the matter: http://www.legalpr.com/3-19-04_Bruce_Bowma...Gruber_DBJ.html
and a text collection of the whole fiasco: http://www.dallas.net/~jvpoll/bpl/
i'm saying this because this atomic holographic revolutionary-store-everything-ever-thought-of brings back memories of the media fusion fiasco. the promises are almost as big, the claims are just as unverifiable, and it seems to set off the bullshit detector even more, seeing as there are really no independent outside references to the technology. the only other information (besides the advertisement on the company homepage) are statements based on information from that website and statements from the company president. i can't cry bullshit because it hasn't been proven wrong, but i will cry bullshit because it almost certainly won't be proven right. "Mike Thomas" looks more like a car salesman that dropped out of community college than a CEO of a soon-to-be-leading tech company and former NASA engineer. He's got no bachelor's, no master's, no PHD, no nothing. no records of any sort, no VERIFIABLE information. yeah, i know you're gonna say Faraday and Edison had no college degrees, but the crackhead on my streetcorner has no PHD either, and he claims he'll buy me a car if i give him some change. come back when you have a REAL PRODUCT or technology, not just some stupid placeholder website for an unproven idea.
and a text collection of the whole fiasco: http://www.dallas.net/~jvpoll/bpl/
i'm saying this because this atomic holographic revolutionary-store-everything-ever-thought-of brings back memories of the media fusion fiasco. the promises are almost as big, the claims are just as unverifiable, and it seems to set off the bullshit detector even more, seeing as there are really no independent outside references to the technology. the only other information (besides the advertisement on the company homepage) are statements based on information from that website and statements from the company president. i can't cry bullshit because it hasn't been proven wrong, but i will cry bullshit because it almost certainly won't be proven right. "Mike Thomas" looks more like a car salesman that dropped out of community college than a CEO of a soon-to-be-leading tech company and former NASA engineer. He's got no bachelor's, no master's, no PHD, no nothing. no records of any sort, no VERIFIABLE information. yeah, i know you're gonna say Faraday and Edison had no college degrees, but the crackhead on my streetcorner has no PHD either, and he claims he'll buy me a car if i give him some change. come back when you have a REAL PRODUCT or technology, not just some stupid placeholder website for an unproven idea.
Well said jesus shark and I repeat what I have already said: the Vulvox site is a Tripod hosted free website with as email address protologics AT worldnet.att.net ... doesn't sound promissing for a "strategic alliance" as they state....
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QUOTE (dirak+Aug 12 2004, 12:14 PM)
http://www.physorg.com/news785.html
That's really interesting, but I wonder how far from reality it is? 100 years or so?
No. Your judgement is way off. Some nanomemories will be available in 5 years or less. I don't know what date Collossal Storage's memory will come out or even if it will, but IBM has millipede nano-memories that work. My company, Vulvox inc.Vulvox Nano/biotechnology Inc.
is developing several nanomemory breakthroughs that will offer extremely dense memories, 50 tera bits per square cm or even greater. We also have been developing DNA nanotransistor logic circuitry that operates by the proven CMOS principle that is used in thousands of electronic devices currently. The CMOS nanotransistors will perform logic operations as well as memory functions.
That's really interesting, but I wonder how far from reality it is? 100 years or so?
No. Your judgement is way off. Some nanomemories will be available in 5 years or less. I don't know what date Collossal Storage's memory will come out or even if it will, but IBM has millipede nano-memories that work. My company, Vulvox inc.Vulvox Nano/biotechnology Inc.
is developing several nanomemory breakthroughs that will offer extremely dense memories, 50 tera bits per square cm or even greater. We also have been developing DNA nanotransistor logic circuitry that operates by the proven CMOS principle that is used in thousands of electronic devices currently. The CMOS nanotransistors will perform logic operations as well as memory functions.
jesus shark,
I guess Mr. Thomas' invited speech in Feb 2004 to the US National Science Foundation in Washinton DC and some of the top USA scientist doesnt count ?
Well, atleast he has patents to prove his work degree or not.
" Imagination is more important than knowledge. "
- (A. Einstein)
"Today's science fiction is often tomorrow's science fact."
— (Stephen Hawking)
"Long experience has taught me this about the status of mankind with regard to matters requiring thought: the less people know and understand about them, the more negatively they attempt to argue concerning them, while on the other hand to know and understand a multitude of things renders men cautious in passing judgment upon anything new."
- (Galileo)
holoman
I guess Mr. Thomas' invited speech in Feb 2004 to the US National Science Foundation in Washinton DC and some of the top USA scientist doesnt count ?
Well, atleast he has patents to prove his work degree or not.
" Imagination is more important than knowledge. "
- (A. Einstein)
"Today's science fiction is often tomorrow's science fact."
— (Stephen Hawking)
"Long experience has taught me this about the status of mankind with regard to matters requiring thought: the less people know and understand about them, the more negatively they attempt to argue concerning them, while on the other hand to know and understand a multitude of things renders men cautious in passing judgment upon anything new."
- (Galileo)
holoman
in the world of electronics, your idea is nothing until you have a prototype. all you have a poorly done website, mr. thomas, and you're trying to publicize your idea on a physics news forum. you can blow the trumpets as loud as you want, but until you offer some evidence that you have a product on the way (not just a potential application for a theory), it's just text in a forum that will be utterly forgotten. some public demonstration would be nice, as would pictures of your labs and experiments. oh, and some PEER REVIEW could help too. cmon, this is a science forum. don't expect us to take this on faith. throw us a bone. if you want to convince us that YOUR storage system works, show some evidence. i don't see why you're so surprised that we're calling you a bullshitter when you're not doing anything to convince us of your idea. you're very good at telling us how you don't need a degree to be special, but trying to show us why you could potentially not be wrong is not the same as trying to show us why you're right. we keep telling you that the burden of proof rests on you, and we're not convinced, but you keep coming back at us with how we're idiots and doubting thomases for not believing you.
QUOTE (slowpoke+Aug 13 2004, 08:36 PM)
To have the ability to record one's entire life for posterity, or to simply be able to play back part of a class lecture while preparing for a final is inspiring, but at what speeds. How fast will this new form of storage work in relation to current technology? If it takes about twenty minutes to burn a full DVD (only 4.6 GBs), how long would it take to modify ever molecule on the surface of one of these new discs? I realy want to know.
Well that happens we have Blu-ray now.
Blu-ray, also known as Blu-ray Disc (BD) is the name of a next-generation optical disc format jointly developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics and PC companies (including Apple, Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson). The format was developed to enable recording, rewriting and playback of high-definition video (HD), as well as storing large amounts of data. A single-layer Blu-ray Disc can hold 25GB, which can be used to record over 2 hours of HDTV or more than 13 hours of standard-definition TV. There are also dual-layer versions of the discs that can hold 50GB.
While current optical disc technologies such as DVD, DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM use a red laser to read and write data, the new format uses a blue-violet laser instead, hence the name Blu-ray. Despite the different type of lasers used, Blu-ray products can easily be made backwards compatible through the use of a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical pickup and allow playback of CDs and DVDs. The benefit of using a blue-violet laser (405nm) is that it has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), which makes it possible to focus the laser spot with even greater precision. This allows data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space, so it's possible to fit more data on the disc even though it's the same size as a CD/DVD. This together with the change of numerical aperture to 0.85 is what enables Blu-ray Discs to hold 25GB/50GB.
With the rapid growth of HDTV, the consumer demand for recording HD programming is quickly rising. Blu-ray was designed with this application in mind and supports direct recording of the MPEG-2 TS (Transport Stream) used by digital broadcasts, which makes it highly compatible with global standards for digital TV. This means that HDTV broadcasts can be recorded directly to the disc without any quality loss or extra processing. To handle the increased amount of data required for HD, Blu-ray employs a 36 Mbps data transfer rate, which is more than enough to record and playback HDTV while maintaining the original picture quality. In addition, by fully utilizing an optical disc's random accessing features, it's possible to playback video on a disc while simultaneously recording HD video.
Blu-ray is expected to replace VCRs and DVD recorders over the coming years, with the transition to HDTV. The format is also likely to become a standard for PC data storage and HD movies in the future .
Well that happens we have Blu-ray now.
Blu-ray, also known as Blu-ray Disc (BD) is the name of a next-generation optical disc format jointly developed by the Blu-ray Disc Association (BDA), a group of leading consumer electronics and PC companies (including Apple, Dell, Hitachi, HP, JVC, LG, Mitsubishi, Panasonic, Pioneer, Philips, Samsung, Sharp, Sony, TDK and Thomson). The format was developed to enable recording, rewriting and playback of high-definition video (HD), as well as storing large amounts of data. A single-layer Blu-ray Disc can hold 25GB, which can be used to record over 2 hours of HDTV or more than 13 hours of standard-definition TV. There are also dual-layer versions of the discs that can hold 50GB.
While current optical disc technologies such as DVD, DVD±R, DVD±RW, and DVD-RAM use a red laser to read and write data, the new format uses a blue-violet laser instead, hence the name Blu-ray. Despite the different type of lasers used, Blu-ray products can easily be made backwards compatible through the use of a BD/DVD/CD compatible optical pickup and allow playback of CDs and DVDs. The benefit of using a blue-violet laser (405nm) is that it has a shorter wavelength than a red laser (650nm), which makes it possible to focus the laser spot with even greater precision. This allows data to be packed more tightly and stored in less space, so it's possible to fit more data on the disc even though it's the same size as a CD/DVD. This together with the change of numerical aperture to 0.85 is what enables Blu-ray Discs to hold 25GB/50GB.
With the rapid growth of HDTV, the consumer demand for recording HD programming is quickly rising. Blu-ray was designed with this application in mind and supports direct recording of the MPEG-2 TS (Transport Stream) used by digital broadcasts, which makes it highly compatible with global standards for digital TV. This means that HDTV broadcasts can be recorded directly to the disc without any quality loss or extra processing. To handle the increased amount of data required for HD, Blu-ray employs a 36 Mbps data transfer rate, which is more than enough to record and playback HDTV while maintaining the original picture quality. In addition, by fully utilizing an optical disc's random accessing features, it's possible to playback video on a disc while simultaneously recording HD video.
Blu-ray is expected to replace VCRs and DVD recorders over the coming years, with the transition to HDTV. The format is also likely to become a standard for PC data storage and HD movies in the future .
A prototype is not a requirement for intelligent discussion, an open mind is.
I dont see thru scientific expression proving or disproving Mr. Thomas' nanotechnology but appear that some are envious of it.
Maybe you can give us some evidence his device wont work thru scientific theory or know postulates pointing to the inappropriateness thereof.
I belive Mr. Thomas has courage to build a house of glass in a world of brick me too's knowing there are those who love to just throw rocks for the sake of throwing rocks.
holoman
I dont see thru scientific expression proving or disproving Mr. Thomas' nanotechnology but appear that some are envious of it.
Maybe you can give us some evidence his device wont work thru scientific theory or know postulates pointing to the inappropriateness thereof.
I belive Mr. Thomas has courage to build a house of glass in a world of brick me too's knowing there are those who love to just throw rocks for the sake of throwing rocks.
holoman
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