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Grasshopper
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,525992,00.html


There is the story. It claims the boy was hit by a meteorite traveling at 38 000 mph. We can easily get the kinetic energy by estimating its mass. But here is my question:

Based upon the reasonable estimations we can make about the situation (air density, mass of object, etc), how could we calculate how hot the object was when it allegedly hit him? Or grazed him (I figure it would have had to graze him not to rip his hand off or worse).


My initial plan was to integrate the force of drag equation from a distance 0 to the top of the atmosphere, and just assume that all friction went to heat energy. Any thoughts on that method?

By the way I am referring to the equation f = -(1/2)CpAv^2

So you'd have

W = -(1/2)CpA ∫ (dx/dt)^2 dx

from the ground to the top of the atmosphere, right?

a.) would that even work?

b.) is my math close or have I lost a concept or something somewhere?- that is, is this a method you could use to determine energy from friction using the drag force equation?






If so, could we fudge a bit and let v be a constant? Then couldn't we pull this number?

W = -(1/2)CpA ∫ (dx/dt)^2 dx

= -(1/2)CpA ∫ (v^2) dx


= -(1/2)CpA(v^2) ∫ dx

=
= -(1/2)CpA ( 38 000 mph^2) *distance from top of atmosphere to earth

Safe to say that appears to be fairly easy. But is it a reasonable assumption that the magnitude of the velocity of the falling meteorite didn't change all that much due to earth's gravity? I assume if its moving really fast maybe? If not I guess we could just integrate with v as a variable, but that seems like a bit of a math headache.


Hmmm... lets say the object's final velocity is v. If we assume its initial velocity (at entry into the atmosphere) is somewhat close to its final velocity, say, v - ∆v , what would t be? So, let ∆v = 3000 m/s.

v = v - ∆v + at
∆v/a = t

(3000 m/s)/(9.8 m/s^2) = t

t = about 5.1 minutes. If that is reasonably close to how long it takes a meteorite to fall, then I say assuming v is constant is reasonable. Then again... maybe not. Especially since the meteorite will certainly lose a bunch of mass as it falls, making m a variable, which in turn makes the force due to friction a variable, since the object's cross sectional will change with time, and of course air density is also a variable with respect to distance, which naturally makes all of this a waste of time... laugh.gif



Okay I quit this one for now. Enjoy. cool.gif
Grasshopper
Oh, hahaha, I had the wrong value. It's 30 000 mph, not 38 000 mph.
sporacle
Basic Fox News report.
Grasshopper
QUOTE (sporacle+Jun 16 2009, 05:45 AM)
Basic Fox News report.


lol that's what I thought when I found it too. It just seems a little bit fishy that something traveling faster than a bullet just "bounced" off the kid. How did they even know its velocity in the first place?

Still, what of the questions posed in this thread?
John Galt
I'll offer an iron clad (or at least a carbonaceous chondrite) gauruntee that the meteorite was not still travelling at 30,000mph when it hit the boys hand. Simplifying, we can split the meteorites/asteroids into three velocity classes.

1. Damnably big, like a dinosaur killer, that still has it's *** end hanging out of the atmosphere when the front end hits the ground. Velocity is not reduced in any noticeable way by the atmosphere.
2. Medium sized items of a few hundreds, or thousands of tons, which will explode in the air through differential heating and the fact that most asteroids are rubble piles. Some of the remaining components will come in fast, but most will be considerably slower than 30,000 mph.
3. Small objects waying only a few kilos that come in either as discrete pieces or form from the break up of larger bodies will hit at, or not much more than, terminal velocity. Depending upon shape and density this is going to be slightly more than 100mph.

It seems overwhelmingly likely the the boy got hit by an object from the third class, not something faster than a speeding bullet.
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