without bees we are doomed apparently and in the news they are disappearing?
If you understand basic science then watch HOLES IN HEAVEN and you see that frequencies govern everything these days.
Do Microwaves emit harmonics like Sound? (A above middle C = 440 but must also contain 220Hz or there about's)
In other words as far as we are aware the FREQ of any microwave with small amplitude would not effect a bee but maybe a harmonic of another wider ranging microwave may effect Bees.
Let me be clear
Do microwaves contain harmonics?
could these be effecting bees?
Maybe the bees are escaping through the holes in the ozone 
QUOTE (Cq27+Mar 5 2008, 05:45 PM)
Maybe the bees are escaping through the holes in the ozone
Where are they going? To the pzone?
Yes, I think that this is amplitude wave modulation, through delivery.
What your after, is what are the frequencies that bees use to talk and or navigate?
Find this frequency by reaserch and then send this documentation to your state representative.
There is way too much dependence on R.F. energy and other frequencies, that might be too closely associated with bee talk, expressly bee waggle communications.
Wasp will pollinate along with hornets, if they sense a pollination shortfall ability by bees, however wasp can take tremendously high frequencies, it seems without much problem.
Bees however are fragile creatures.
Thank you very much for posting this thread!
What your after, is what are the frequencies that bees use to talk and or navigate?
Find this frequency by reaserch and then send this documentation to your state representative.
There is way too much dependence on R.F. energy and other frequencies, that might be too closely associated with bee talk, expressly bee waggle communications.
Wasp will pollinate along with hornets, if they sense a pollination shortfall ability by bees, however wasp can take tremendously high frequencies, it seems without much problem.
Bees however are fragile creatures.
Thank you very much for posting this thread!
Produce prices will rise dramaticly this summer.
Perhaps I should have just wrote:
Do microwaves contain harmonics?
yes? no? anyone?
Do microwaves contain harmonics?
yes? no? anyone?
There were other thread(s) about disappearing bees. They were interesting...in the end it turns out that everything is fine. We are not losing the bees for good.
Maybe you can do a search on the topic in here and read those posts?
I did a search for you:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=194022
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=196972
I think it turned out to be a virus that was killing the bees, and they seem to be thriving around here in our peach trees.
Maybe you can do a search on the topic in here and read those posts?
I did a search for you:
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=194022
http://www.physforum.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=196972
I think it turned out to be a virus that was killing the bees, and they seem to be thriving around here in our peach trees.
As far as I know, the most accepted theory is a mite.
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/b...ng/beemites.htm
The good news is that while European Honey Bees are the most prevalent pollinators, there are others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_bee
http://ourworld.compuserve.com/homepages/b...ng/beemites.htm
The good news is that while European Honey Bees are the most prevalent pollinators, there are others.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mason_bee
Here are some recent articles:
http://www.meadvilletribune.com/local/loca..._077234935.html
... a recent research study showed that 43 different pesticides were identified in a sampling of 92 colonies. The take-home message there, said Vorisek, is that “pesticides are not all agriculture-related. There are a lot of lawn treatments and backyard treatments that people use in high concentrations” that are undoubtedly affecting the bee populations.
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/m...-despite-decli/
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/m...-despite-decli/
The Clemson College of Agriculture is presently conducting experiments in the areas of colony collapse disorder, several types of parasitic mite infestation and one of Mr. Hood’s specialties, the African hive beetle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...9/BA0TVDEVF.DTL
http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/feature...=secondarystory
Cell-phone freqs can generate beat frequencies orders of magnitude lower, and beat frequencies can be relatively strident; it's an interesting thought. In narrow bands specific to the bees, high amplitude of beat frequencies may not be required. I really don't hold to this but it's curious.
http://www.meadvilletribune.com/local/loca..._077234935.html
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... a recent research study showed that 43 different pesticides were identified in a sampling of 92 colonies. The take-home message there, said Vorisek, is that “pesticides are not all agriculture-related. There are a lot of lawn treatments and backyard treatments that people use in high concentrations” that are undoubtedly affecting the bee populations.
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/m...-despite-decli/
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... a recent research study showed that 43 different pesticides were identified in a sampling of 92 colonies. The take-home message there, said Vorisek, is that “pesticides are not all agriculture-related. There are a lot of lawn treatments and backyard treatments that people use in high concentrations” that are undoubtedly affecting the bee populations. |
http://www.independentmail.com/news/2008/m...-despite-decli/
The Clemson College of Agriculture is presently conducting experiments in the areas of colony collapse disorder, several types of parasitic mite infestation and one of Mr. Hood’s specialties, the African hive beetle.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?...9/BA0TVDEVF.DTL
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Page keeps in touch, and Fondrk periodically ships him queen bees from their carefully bred strain of pollen hoarders. In a phone conversation, Page said bees that don't hoard pollen "live hand to mouth" and the larvae in their hives suffer serious protein deficiency in winter when food is scarce.
But after 34 generations of selective breeding, Page said, it's clear that the pollen hoarding strain of the bees appear better able to withstand the onslaught of Colony Collapse Disorder, and he and Fondrk are now regularly shipping queens from the strain to beekeepers around the country.
But after 34 generations of selective breeding, Page said, it's clear that the pollen hoarding strain of the bees appear better able to withstand the onslaught of Colony Collapse Disorder, and he and Fondrk are now regularly shipping queens from the strain to beekeepers around the country.
http://www.tahlequahdailypress.com/feature...=secondarystory
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... a recent research study showed that 43 different pesticides were identified in a sampling of 92 colonies. The take-home message there, said Vorisek, is that “pesticides are not all agriculture-related. There are a lot of lawn treatments and backyard treatments that people use in high concentrations” that are undoubtedly affecting the bee populations.
While I am not into beekeeping, I am in the pest control field. Bees are quite susceptible to the pyretheroid pesticides used today, however, products such as DDT, Diazinon, chlorpyrifos and others are far more toxic and were used over larger areas via aerial spraying before circa 1970. I do not discount the possibility that pesticides may a contributing factor, but it seems to me that if pesticides were to blame we would have seen this collapse disorder before now.
The paragraph immediately preceding your quote from the same article;
I may be overly sensitive about this issue because I get a lot of sh*t in the field about this sort of thing.
... a recent research study showed that 43 different pesticides were identified in a sampling of 92 colonies. The take-home message there, said Vorisek, is that “pesticides are not all agriculture-related. There are a lot of lawn treatments and backyard treatments that people use in high concentrations” that are undoubtedly affecting the bee populations.
While I am not into beekeeping, I am in the pest control field. Bees are quite susceptible to the pyretheroid pesticides used today, however, products such as DDT, Diazinon, chlorpyrifos and others are far more toxic and were used over larger areas via aerial spraying before circa 1970. I do not discount the possibility that pesticides may a contributing factor, but it seems to me that if pesticides were to blame we would have seen this collapse disorder before now.
The paragraph immediately preceding your quote from the same article;
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One of the current main “target topics” of discussion and research, he said, is the effects of pesticides on bee populations. There’s no conclusive evidence that chemicals are the chief cause of the collapses, he said, but sub-lethal amounts of pesticides that bees may ingest and become disoriented and sickened by are certainly contributing factors.
I may be overly sensitive about this issue because I get a lot of sh*t in the field about this sort of thing.
Parasites don't usually wipe out populations. They usually tend to affect less healthy individuals more than healthy ones. The parasites can make their hosts more suceptable to other diseases.
I wouldn't be surprised if the pesticides are reducing the bee's defenses to the point where the parasites thrive. These parasites further reduce their health and the bees are either killed by predators or die from other diseases.
I wouldn't be surprised if the pesticides are reducing the bee's defenses to the point where the parasites thrive. These parasites further reduce their health and the bees are either killed by predators or die from other diseases.
I think it's more of a devil's brew than any one thing; varroa mite, Israeli Virus, imidacloprid have all been identified to contribute. The riddle is the sudden meltdown reached. What I was trying to showcase in that example though is that we homeowners need to exercise some self-education. I only recently found out that honeybees are very susceptible to Sevin, a product that I thought was relatively safe. The whole population applies far far more than commercial exterminators. We just need to be smart; there are many lawn and garden chemicals available and all are 'over-the-counter'.
Hi soundhertz,
You're right. Homeowners have access to products that are no longer available to professionals. We have not used Sevin in years nor Diazinon, Dursban, Malathione and many others. Most of these are no longer being manufactured but they are allowed to sell out the remaining stocks to consumers. Those of us in this field are trained, licensed and regulated in the use of these products. We know to read and follow label instructions, where a homeowner figures is some is good, more is better, which increases the toxicity but not the efficacy on the target pest.
You're right. Homeowners have access to products that are no longer available to professionals. We have not used Sevin in years nor Diazinon, Dursban, Malathione and many others. Most of these are no longer being manufactured but they are allowed to sell out the remaining stocks to consumers. Those of us in this field are trained, licensed and regulated in the use of these products. We know to read and follow label instructions, where a homeowner figures is some is good, more is better, which increases the toxicity but not the efficacy on the target pest.
The phenomenon of shipping bees around the country to visit one crop after another is relatively recent. The bees may be exposed to novel pathogens on their journeys and the stress of traveling may weaken their immune systems. Insist on local bees.
QUOTE (beuis+Mar 11 2008, 06:12 PM)
Perhaps I should have just wrote:
Do microwaves contain harmonics?
yes? no? anyone?
Harmonics are an integer multiple of the fundamental frequency, so for an 850 MHz cell phone signal they would be at 1700 MHz, 2550 MHz, 3400 MHz, etc.. The bee frequencies are much lower than 850 MHz and thus are in the opposite direction from the harmonics. It might be possible that higher-order structures in the cell phone data would have lower fundamental frequencies but they wouldn't be as strong as the primary signal. Really if you were trying to disrupt bees with a cell phone you'd be better off recording the noises they make and using it as your ring tone.
Do microwaves contain harmonics?
yes? no? anyone?
Harmonics are an integer multiple of the fundamental frequency, so for an 850 MHz cell phone signal they would be at 1700 MHz, 2550 MHz, 3400 MHz, etc.. The bee frequencies are much lower than 850 MHz and thus are in the opposite direction from the harmonics. It might be possible that higher-order structures in the cell phone data would have lower fundamental frequencies but they wouldn't be as strong as the primary signal. Really if you were trying to disrupt bees with a cell phone you'd be better off recording the noises they make and using it as your ring tone.
barakn
This is a thought I had not considered. Since the manner in which bees find there way "home" is not fully understood, maybe they get confused from being in several different areas and simply forget which way "home" is.
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The phenomenon of shipping bees around the country to visit one crop after another is relatively recent. The bees may be exposed to novel pathogens on their journeys and the stress of traveling may weaken their immune systems. Insist on local bees.
This is a thought I had not considered. Since the manner in which bees find there way "home" is not fully understood, maybe they get confused from being in several different areas and simply forget which way "home" is.
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It might be possible that higher-order structures in the cell phone data would have lower fundamental frequencies but they wouldn't be as strong as the primary signal.
Cell-phone freqs can generate beat frequencies orders of magnitude lower, and beat frequencies can be relatively strident; it's an interesting thought. In narrow bands specific to the bees, high amplitude of beat frequencies may not be required. I really don't hold to this but it's curious.
QUOTE (soundhertz+Mar 21 2008, 04:05 AM)
Cell-phone freqs can generate beat frequencies orders of magnitude lower, and beat frequencies can be relatively strident; it's an interesting thought. In narrow bands specific to the bees, high amplitude of beat frequencies may not be required. I really don't hold to this but it's curious.
I hadn't thought about beat frequencies, although its obvious because cell phones use a large number of channels at similar frequency. Not sure if the amplitude would be significant.
I hadn't thought about beat frequencies, although its obvious because cell phones use a large number of channels at similar frequency. Not sure if the amplitude would be significant.
A good test is to just take a synthesizer, play a note say at A440, and simultaneously play it's G sharp or B flat neighbor along with it, have this hooked up to a nice big woofer, and hear those low beat freqs generated. Add some modulation, play with the envelope, and you can really get them singing. Sound is sound: what happens mathematically relatively 'down low' also happens 'high up'.
i dont know much about microwaves and harmonics, but i live in detroit michigan, and when i was younger, we used to have tons and tons of regular old honey bees. this was about 20-25 years ago. and to be honest, i havent seen a regular honey bee in the "wild" (other than at stair fairs type of thing) in a very long time. all i have seen in the last 10-13 yrs is those pain in the butt yellow jackets. makes you really wonder what is really going on.
QUOTE (NYAP1019+Mar 25 2008, 03:39 AM)
i dont know much about microwaves and harmonics, but i live in detroit michigan, and when i was younger, we used to have tons and tons of regular old honey bees. this was about 20-25 years ago. and to be honest, i havent seen a regular honey bee in the "wild" (other than at stair fairs type of thing) in a very long time. all i have seen in the last 10-13 yrs is those pain in the butt yellow jackets. makes you really wonder what is really going on.
Maybe they really are escaping through the hole in the Ozone layer
Maybe they really are escaping through the hole in the Ozone layer
There is also the ongoing battle against the Africanized Honeybees. Perhaps the fight to exterminate and prevent the spread of those has been hurting normal native bee populations.
It need not be some fantastic technological freak side effect. Often we fail to see the forest because of the trees.
It need not be some fantastic technological freak side effect. Often we fail to see the forest because of the trees.
It isn't just bees leaving. There used to be Cuckoos in town, and north of the 'burbs there were hills that belonged to the Turkey Vultures. In Spring and Fall there were thousands of them in great gyres, riding the thermals near sundown. They are gone, too. 
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