QUOTE (brian+Mar 8 2006, 09:21 PM)
Of course you are a pilot.
I was posting on airdisaster.com before 9-11
I guess I set up the lie that I was a pilot over there in ANTICIPATION of needing it for a CONSPIRACY about an event that had not yet happened.
MORON
Arthur
Edit: The above was in error, While I had been on Air Disaster prior to 9-11 (infrequently) I REGISTERED on AirDisaster on 11-13-2001 so I could POST and to discuss the crash of AA-587 in NY.
I was posting on airdisaster.com before 9-11
I guess I set up the lie that I was a pilot over there in ANTICIPATION of needing it for a CONSPIRACY about an event that had not yet happened.
MORON
Arthur
Edit: The above was in error, While I had been on Air Disaster prior to 9-11 (infrequently) I REGISTERED on AirDisaster on 11-13-2001 so I could POST and to discuss the crash of AA-587 in NY.
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 01:38 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 8 2006, 09:23 PM)
There is more reason for the different looking cores of the towers than the fact they perpindicuarly oposite.
The south tower had a redesigned core. I've been researching it. The hallway scheme was changed from the north tower because it was so hard to rent out. Thw WTC 2 core was termed the "super core". As best as I can tell it had 2 hallways running in both directions, didnt have the taper and wasn't totally a shear wall design as was WTC 1.
It had very tightly made cells, with concrete floors (WTC 1 may have had steel framed floors).
How is THAT possible???
One was HARDER TO RENT OUT????
They hadn't even finished building them.
Arthur
Notice how he pulls crap straight out of his large intestine?
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:20 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 01:15 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:00 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 12:55 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 12:39 AM)

wow, THIS 'bin laden' confesses, but THAT bin laden says america did it to itself.
who to beLIEve? who to beLIEve?
Hi non-newt! Where did you get the above pic-on-pic presentation?
RC.
.
blow me, unreality check. if i can be 'witty' for a moment.

Again you've let your penchant for the quick and thoughtless witless witticism get the better of your logical and observational faculties.
Only the floors, hat-truss and (upper) core were 'flattened' in whatever time it took.
Most of the outer 'tube' was expelled SIDEWAYS.
The lower half of the CORE 'stood' shakily for a bit LONGER.
Do you still pretend to be an 'unbiased/intelligent' observer and commentator? Or is the mask 'off' now....as just demonstrated by that post of yours?
BTW, you haven't said where you got that pic-on-pic presentation from. Source?
RC.
.
yeah?
and....?
hahaha!
speaking of intelligent, just copy the URL of the pic to your clipboard(copy image location). the mysterious source of all pics online will be revealed to you.
Hi newton. It's difficult for me to do all the things you guys take for granted. As Foxx and adoucette and most others here know by now, my system is old and clunky and much-modified/non-standard. Until I joined Physorg (with much 'fiddling' with my system to get it to work at all with Physorg system), I used my computer for my own in-house science/technolog and patents work. I didn't NEED to get on the net for info, since I worked from my own info. gleaned over the years.
So I can't look up what you suggested without much trouble and logging-off and loading sub-routines etc etc.
Couldn't you just tell me? I probably can't access whatever site you got it from, anyway; but it is good to know where you, adoucette, christophera and the rest of you guys get this stuff from, just so I can get a 'mind's eye picture' of who is saying what on the net, even if I can't get to those sources directly, hehehe. So I'd appreciate the site/source. Thanks.
RC.
.
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 01:27 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 8 2006, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 12:53 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 12:46 AM)
QUOTE (Ln(x)+Mar 9 2006, 12:41 AM)
A question for the shills...
Are they giving you any sort of stocks or bond in the New World Government, or are you simply without scruples and willing to sell out mankind for a quick buck?
Obviously, you are either unaware or unconcerned with the possible ramifications of your dishonest actions.
I enjoy a profound feeling of satisfaction knowing that when your time comes, after you have endured the hellish cruelty of the global paramilitary dictatorship, and you are called to stand before your maker, you will be slain.
Have a nice day.
You mean Rove's shills who want to take focus away from Bush's REAL crime. CT Shills that want to let Osama get away with the murder of 3000 people? The CTers truely don't know what they're doing.
haha! that's FUUNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYY!
i JUST posted the fake/real osama .gif, and you try and use this argument. and 'INVOKE' rove, no less. HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
News flash moron, people gain and lose weight. Once again you've only proved your idiocy.
Never mind about one video being taken further away than the other...
The real difference, is not closer or further away, but the focal length of the lens.
When you are trying to take a WIDE angle picture in a room (i.e. 3 people sitting around talking about how their last mission was wildly successful) then you have to use a WIDE ANGLE, this will get them all in the same shot, but it will DISTORT the picture (more or less depending on where the subject is in relationship to the center of the picture and the quality of the lens) typical WA lens are in the 35mm range (you get down to 18mm and you are looking at a Fish Eye lens). While you can take pictures of people with WIDE angle lens, you have to realize that it will tend to STRETCH them around the center of the lens. Further from the center, the more the stretch.
On the OTHERHAND, when you shoot a "Talking head", one tends to use a NORMAL focal length, 50-55mm where the camera "sees" ~ the same as human eyesight.
People look very NORMAL with this lens.
What is quite classically the same in both pictures is the asymetrical nose. If you want to compare a picture of two people taken under different lighting and with different lenses, look for UNIQUE features. Then the exact height X Width sizing becomes less important.
Arthur
unique features like cheekbones, eyebrows and nose?
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!
and, geez? wasn't osama ALSO on a middle easteren network only a few days difference from the famous 'cave' video? and, hadn't he 'magically' LOST all the alleged fat?
hey, as long as we're here, why don't we also analyse the jewelry-wearing 'muslims' that touch their faces with their left hands, and speak english, and have white skin, from the nick berg video? and why don't we also compare the colour and texture of the backgrounds with the abu gharib photos?
shall we also look into the british soldiers dressed as arabs who attacked a police station in iraq?
shall we deny the photos and testimony of torture(a bad thing, for those unsure) from abu gharib?
alright, class. everyone write this out.....
F-A-L-S-E F-L-A-G. now say it, .....'false flag' operations. that's where you PRETEND to be the enemy, and you do some horrific deed, and then you CLAIM that it was the 'enemy' that did it, so that you can initiate hostility while blaming the other guy for it. COOL, EH?
fish eye. HAHAHAHA!
man, you shills are putting me in a GOOD mood, today.
thanks!

Repeat after me... There was no concrete... there was no concrete... there was no concrete...
It's mostly sand and gravel.
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg
No wonder you can't recognize concrete when you see it.
Are they giving you any sort of stocks or bond in the New World Government, or are you simply without scruples and willing to sell out mankind for a quick buck?
Obviously, you are either unaware or unconcerned with the possible ramifications of your dishonest actions.
I enjoy a profound feeling of satisfaction knowing that when your time comes, after you have endured the hellish cruelty of the global paramilitary dictatorship, and you are called to stand before your maker, you will be slain.
Have a nice day.
You mean Rove's shills who want to take focus away from Bush's REAL crime. CT Shills that want to let Osama get away with the murder of 3000 people? The CTers truely don't know what they're doing.
haha! that's FUUNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYY!
i JUST posted the fake/real osama .gif, and you try and use this argument. and 'INVOKE' rove, no less. HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
News flash moron, people gain and lose weight. Once again you've only proved your idiocy.
Never mind about one video being taken further away than the other...
The real difference, is not closer or further away, but the focal length of the lens.
When you are trying to take a WIDE angle picture in a room (i.e. 3 people sitting around talking about how their last mission was wildly successful) then you have to use a WIDE ANGLE, this will get them all in the same shot, but it will DISTORT the picture (more or less depending on where the subject is in relationship to the center of the picture and the quality of the lens) typical WA lens are in the 35mm range (you get down to 18mm and you are looking at a Fish Eye lens). While you can take pictures of people with WIDE angle lens, you have to realize that it will tend to STRETCH them around the center of the lens. Further from the center, the more the stretch.
On the OTHERHAND, when you shoot a "Talking head", one tends to use a NORMAL focal length, 50-55mm where the camera "sees" ~ the same as human eyesight.
People look very NORMAL with this lens.
What is quite classically the same in both pictures is the asymetrical nose. If you want to compare a picture of two people taken under different lighting and with different lenses, look for UNIQUE features. Then the exact height X Width sizing becomes less important.
Arthur
unique features like cheekbones, eyebrows and nose?
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!
and, geez? wasn't osama ALSO on a middle easteren network only a few days difference from the famous 'cave' video? and, hadn't he 'magically' LOST all the alleged fat?
hey, as long as we're here, why don't we also analyse the jewelry-wearing 'muslims' that touch their faces with their left hands, and speak english, and have white skin, from the nick berg video? and why don't we also compare the colour and texture of the backgrounds with the abu gharib photos?
shall we also look into the british soldiers dressed as arabs who attacked a police station in iraq?
shall we deny the photos and testimony of torture(a bad thing, for those unsure) from abu gharib?
alright, class. everyone write this out.....
F-A-L-S-E F-L-A-G. now say it, .....'false flag' operations. that's where you PRETEND to be the enemy, and you do some horrific deed, and then you CLAIM that it was the 'enemy' that did it, so that you can initiate hostility while blaming the other guy for it. COOL, EH?
fish eye. HAHAHAHA!
man, you shills are putting me in a GOOD mood, today.
thanks!
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 8 2006, 11:39 PM)

Repeat after me... There was no concrete... there was no concrete... there was no concrete...
It's mostly sand and gravel.
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg
No wonder you can't recognize concrete when you see it.
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:46 AM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 01:27 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 8 2006, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 12:53 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 12:46 AM)
QUOTE (Ln(x)+Mar 9 2006, 12:41 AM)
A question for the shills...
Are they giving you any sort of stocks or bond in the New World Government, or are you simply without scruples and willing to sell out mankind for a quick buck?
Obviously, you are either unaware or unconcerned with the possible ramifications of your dishonest actions.
I enjoy a profound feeling of satisfaction knowing that when your time comes, after you have endured the hellish cruelty of the global paramilitary dictatorship, and you are called to stand before your maker, you will be slain.
Have a nice day.
You mean Rove's shills who want to take focus away from Bush's REAL crime. CT Shills that want to let Osama get away with the murder of 3000 people? The CTers truely don't know what they're doing.
haha! that's FUUNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYY!
i JUST posted the fake/real osama .gif, and you try and use this argument. and 'INVOKE' rove, no less. HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
News flash moron, people gain and lose weight. Once again you've only proved your idiocy.
Never mind about one video being taken further away than the other...
The real difference, is not closer or further away, but the focal length of the lens.
When you are trying to take a WIDE angle picture in a room (i.e. 3 people sitting around talking about how their last mission was wildly successful) then you have to use a WIDE ANGLE, this will get them all in the same shot, but it will DISTORT the picture (more or less depending on where the subject is in relationship to the center of the picture and the quality of the lens) typical WA lens are in the 35mm range (you get down to 18mm and you are looking at a Fish Eye lens). While you can take pictures of people with WIDE angle lens, you have to realize that it will tend to STRETCH them around the center of the lens. Further from the center, the more the stretch.
On the OTHERHAND, when you shoot a "Talking head", one tends to use a NORMAL focal length, 50-55mm where the camera "sees" ~ the same as human eyesight.
People look very NORMAL with this lens.
What is quite classically the same in both pictures is the asymetrical nose. If you want to compare a picture of two people taken under different lighting and with different lenses, look for UNIQUE features. Then the exact height X Width sizing becomes less important.
Arthur
unique features like cheekbones, eyebrows and nose?
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!
and, geez? wasn't osama ALSO on a middle easteren network only a few days difference from the famous 'cave' video? and, hadn't he 'magically' LOST all the alleged fat?
hey, as long as we're here, why don't we also analyse the jewelry-wearing 'muslims' that touch their faces with their left hands, and speak english, and have white skin, from the nick berg video? and why don't we also compare the colour and texture of the backgrounds with the abu gharib photos?
shall we also look into the british soldiers dressed as arabs who attacked a police station in iraq?
shall we deny the photos and testimony of torture(a bad thing, for those unsure) from abu gharib?
alright, class. everyone write this out.....
F-A-L-S-E F-L-A-G. now say it, .....'false flag' operations. that's where you PRETEND to be the enemy, and you do some horrific deed, and then you CLAIM that it was the 'enemy' that did it, so that you can initiate hostility while blaming the other guy for it. COOL, EH?
fish eye. HAHAHAHA!
man, you shills are putting me in a GOOD mood, today.
thanks!
See Scott, He has no problem insulting us. I say save the respect for someone deserving.
newted, The only reason you have hypnotized yourself into thinking it's not him is because he confessed. You're no different than our friend chris who sees concrete in the mirror.

Repeat after me... There was no concrete... there was no concrete... there was no concrete...
It's mostly sand and gravel.
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg
No wonder you can't recognize concrete when you see it.
DEFINITELY concrete dust. it's within the right spectrum of grey.
there is NOTHING else that has been CLAIMED to have been in the towers that would show as that whitish-greyish CONCRETE colour, and the shear VOLUME of it is a gospel testament.
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Hi Chris! Are you saying that the whole C4-coated-rebar-etc 'priming' for demolition of the towers was carried out when the towers were being built?
RC.
Are they giving you any sort of stocks or bond in the New World Government, or are you simply without scruples and willing to sell out mankind for a quick buck?
Obviously, you are either unaware or unconcerned with the possible ramifications of your dishonest actions.
I enjoy a profound feeling of satisfaction knowing that when your time comes, after you have endured the hellish cruelty of the global paramilitary dictatorship, and you are called to stand before your maker, you will be slain.
Have a nice day.
You mean Rove's shills who want to take focus away from Bush's REAL crime. CT Shills that want to let Osama get away with the murder of 3000 people? The CTers truely don't know what they're doing.
haha! that's FUUNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYY!
i JUST posted the fake/real osama .gif, and you try and use this argument. and 'INVOKE' rove, no less. HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
News flash moron, people gain and lose weight. Once again you've only proved your idiocy.
Never mind about one video being taken further away than the other...
The real difference, is not closer or further away, but the focal length of the lens.
When you are trying to take a WIDE angle picture in a room (i.e. 3 people sitting around talking about how their last mission was wildly successful) then you have to use a WIDE ANGLE, this will get them all in the same shot, but it will DISTORT the picture (more or less depending on where the subject is in relationship to the center of the picture and the quality of the lens) typical WA lens are in the 35mm range (you get down to 18mm and you are looking at a Fish Eye lens). While you can take pictures of people with WIDE angle lens, you have to realize that it will tend to STRETCH them around the center of the lens. Further from the center, the more the stretch.
On the OTHERHAND, when you shoot a "Talking head", one tends to use a NORMAL focal length, 50-55mm where the camera "sees" ~ the same as human eyesight.
People look very NORMAL with this lens.
What is quite classically the same in both pictures is the asymetrical nose. If you want to compare a picture of two people taken under different lighting and with different lenses, look for UNIQUE features. Then the exact height X Width sizing becomes less important.
Arthur
unique features like cheekbones, eyebrows and nose?
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!
and, geez? wasn't osama ALSO on a middle easteren network only a few days difference from the famous 'cave' video? and, hadn't he 'magically' LOST all the alleged fat?
hey, as long as we're here, why don't we also analyse the jewelry-wearing 'muslims' that touch their faces with their left hands, and speak english, and have white skin, from the nick berg video? and why don't we also compare the colour and texture of the backgrounds with the abu gharib photos?
shall we also look into the british soldiers dressed as arabs who attacked a police station in iraq?
shall we deny the photos and testimony of torture(a bad thing, for those unsure) from abu gharib?
alright, class. everyone write this out.....
F-A-L-S-E F-L-A-G. now say it, .....'false flag' operations. that's where you PRETEND to be the enemy, and you do some horrific deed, and then you CLAIM that it was the 'enemy' that did it, so that you can initiate hostility while blaming the other guy for it. COOL, EH?
fish eye. HAHAHAHA!
man, you shills are putting me in a GOOD mood, today.
thanks!
See Scott, He has no problem insulting us. I say save the respect for someone deserving.
newted, The only reason you have hypnotized yourself into thinking it's not him is because he confessed. You're no different than our friend chris who sees concrete in the mirror.
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fake-to-real.gif
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 01:48 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 8 2006, 11:39 PM)

Repeat after me... There was no concrete... there was no concrete... there was no concrete...
It's mostly sand and gravel.
http://www.w3.org/People/Jacobs/2001/10/wtc/pdrm1943.jpg
No wonder you can't recognize concrete when you see it.
DEFINITELY concrete dust. it's within the right spectrum of grey.
there is NOTHING else that has been CLAIMED to have been in the towers that would show as that whitish-greyish CONCRETE colour, and the shear VOLUME of it is a gospel testament.
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:30 AM)
a little aside, kind of....
i was just looking at the arsoNIST report, and they state that there was REBAR in the concrete.
they don't say specifically WHERE, but they definitively talk about it.
now, i personally think that the CORE FLOORS had rebar to add to the pure strength of the core.
it SEEMED to me(because there is rampant nebulism going on in the arsoNIST report) that the LOWER floors had a lot of reinforced concrete, and the higher up the tower you went, the less and less there was.
this makes sense to me, as a former aspiring architect.
Both towers had concrete cores. WTC 2 had a different core and hallways W/concrete floors.
WTC 2 had what has been termed the "super core" I believe it was cellular in design rather than shear wall.
i was just looking at the arsoNIST report, and they state that there was REBAR in the concrete.
they don't say specifically WHERE, but they definitively talk about it.
now, i personally think that the CORE FLOORS had rebar to add to the pure strength of the core.
it SEEMED to me(because there is rampant nebulism going on in the arsoNIST report) that the LOWER floors had a lot of reinforced concrete, and the higher up the tower you went, the less and less there was.
this makes sense to me, as a former aspiring architect.
Both towers had concrete cores. WTC 2 had a different core and hallways W/concrete floors.
WTC 2 had what has been termed the "super core" I believe it was cellular in design rather than shear wall.
p.s. UC, you know a 'good' second hand PC is like a hundred bucks, now, right?
you might want to think about it. i keep my task specific computers task specific.
i mean, the things are more chaotic than a runaway global collapse!
you might want to think about it. i keep my task specific computers task specific.
i mean, the things are more chaotic than a runaway global collapse!
I don't see the antenna tower on the north tower (I assume the north tower is on the right). The antenna wasn't added until the late 70s if I remember right. So that pic could be fairly early when tenants hadn't yet moved in which would explain the lack of drywall or other tenant-placed materials and lack of opacity.
I'm still trying to find a video of the south tower collapse that continues to the point of the still below and from a similar perspective. I have dozens of clips from the web but they all stop before the dust starts to clear as in the pic below.
I have one video from a helicopter of the south collapse. It shows a fairly narrow vertical plume rising from the central part of where the tower used to stand after some of the other dust started to clear. That column in the pic below looks too vertical and sharp to be a plume. It's hard to tell with other dust in the way.
I have one video from a helicopter of the south collapse. It shows a fairly narrow vertical plume rising from the central part of where the tower used to stand after some of the other dust started to clear. That column in the pic below looks too vertical and sharp to be a plume. It's hard to tell with other dust in the way.
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:55 AM)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fake-to-real.gif
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
Thanks, mate! As you will also see from my past posts here and other forums, I not only keep this 'non-standard system because I don't have to spend most of my days 'patching' and 'virus-fighting' and 'restoring' etc etc like most people I know do because THEY have 'you-beaut' nifty NEW systems captive to the 'corporations' and the 'virus' industry.
That reminds me, who was it a good few pages back that objected to the 'promotion' of some 'long-freely-available' image-processing software from an 'open software' guy with an EXCELLENT 'package? Are these 'objectors' the same people who are AGAINST CORPORATION CONTROL? So why would they prefer to support an INFERIOR product from Microsoft in preference to this 'one man band' with a SUPERIOR product? Seems a little hypocritical to me, heh....especially considering all this NEO-CON stuff they post!
And sorry, no offence meant, newt...but you will also note from previous posts here and elsewhere, that I practice STRICT 'internet prudence' when it comes to giving out details of my system. It would defeat the purpose of keeping my non-standard old clunker 'as is', wouldn't it? Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
Thanks, mate! As you will also see from my past posts here and other forums, I not only keep this 'non-standard system because I don't have to spend most of my days 'patching' and 'virus-fighting' and 'restoring' etc etc like most people I know do because THEY have 'you-beaut' nifty NEW systems captive to the 'corporations' and the 'virus' industry.
That reminds me, who was it a good few pages back that objected to the 'promotion' of some 'long-freely-available' image-processing software from an 'open software' guy with an EXCELLENT 'package? Are these 'objectors' the same people who are AGAINST CORPORATION CONTROL? So why would they prefer to support an INFERIOR product from Microsoft in preference to this 'one man band' with a SUPERIOR product? Seems a little hypocritical to me, heh....especially considering all this NEO-CON stuff they post!
And sorry, no offence meant, newt...but you will also note from previous posts here and elsewhere, that I practice STRICT 'internet prudence' when it comes to giving out details of my system. It would defeat the purpose of keeping my non-standard old clunker 'as is', wouldn't it? Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 8 2006, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (ScottS.+Mar 8 2006, 03:51 PM)
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 02:14 AM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 8 2006, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (ScottS.+Mar 8 2006, 03:51 PM)
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Hi Chris! Are you saying that the whole C4-coated-rebar-etc 'priming' for demolition of the towers was carried out when the towers were being built?
RC.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:55 AM)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fake-to-real.gif
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
Thanks, mate! As you will also see from my past posts here and other forums, I not only keep this 'non-standard system because I don't have to spend most of my days 'patching' and 'virus-fighting' and 'restoring' etc etc like most people I know do because THEY have 'you-beaut' nifty NEW systems captive to the 'corporations' and the 'virus' industry.
That reminds me, who was it a good few pages back that objected to the 'promotion' of some 'long-freely-available' image-processing software from an 'open software' guy with an EXCELLENT 'package? Are these 'objectors' the same people who are AGAINST CORPORATION CONTROL? So why would they prefer to support an INFERIOR product from Microsoft in preference to this 'one man band' with a SUPERIOR product? Seems a little hypocritical to me, heh....especially considering all this NEO-CON stuff they post!
And sorry, no offence meant, newt...but you will also note from previous posts here and elsewhere, that I practice STRICT 'internet prudence' when it comes to giving out details of my system. It would defeat the purpose of keeping my non-standard old clunker 'as is', wouldn't it? Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
i HATE to admit it.
you're not all bad. LOL!
SGI all the way, or PASCAL, er WHATEVER, LOL!
ps. feck off with the attacks. you're not qualified, lol!

wow, THIS 'bin laden' confesses, but THAT bin laden says america did it to itself.
who to beLIEve? who to beLIEve?
Hi non-newt! Where did you get the above pic-on-pic presentation?
RC.
.
blow me, unreality check. if i can be 'witty' for a moment.

Again you've let your penchant for the quick and thoughtless witless witticism get the better of your logical and observational faculties.
Only the floors, hat-truss and (upper) core were 'flattened' in whatever time it took.
Most of the outer 'tube' was expelled SIDEWAYS.
The lower half of the CORE 'stood' shakily for a bit LONGER.
Do you still pretend to be an 'unbiased/intelligent' observer and commentator? Or is the mask 'off' now....as just demonstrated by that post of yours?
BTW, you haven't said where you got that pic-on-pic presentation from. Source?
RC.
.
This is right on.
It only leaves out that the concrete core was what was throwing things out to the side as it exploded.
The steel beam between interior box columns was against the core face,

or connected to those that were, when the core blows, it pushes out on that beam then on the 1x 3 "I" beam that connected to the perimeter wall, breaking off the segments.
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
Thanks, mate! As you will also see from my past posts here and other forums, I not only keep this 'non-standard system because I don't have to spend most of my days 'patching' and 'virus-fighting' and 'restoring' etc etc like most people I know do because THEY have 'you-beaut' nifty NEW systems captive to the 'corporations' and the 'virus' industry.
That reminds me, who was it a good few pages back that objected to the 'promotion' of some 'long-freely-available' image-processing software from an 'open software' guy with an EXCELLENT 'package? Are these 'objectors' the same people who are AGAINST CORPORATION CONTROL? So why would they prefer to support an INFERIOR product from Microsoft in preference to this 'one man band' with a SUPERIOR product? Seems a little hypocritical to me, heh....especially considering all this NEO-CON stuff they post!
And sorry, no offence meant, newt...but you will also note from previous posts here and elsewhere, that I practice STRICT 'internet prudence' when it comes to giving out details of my system. It would defeat the purpose of keeping my non-standard old clunker 'as is', wouldn't it? Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
i HATE to admit it.
you're not all bad. LOL!
SGI all the way, or PASCAL, er WHATEVER, LOL!
ps. feck off with the attacks. you're not qualified, lol!
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 01:15 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:00 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 12:55 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 12:39 AM)

wow, THIS 'bin laden' confesses, but THAT bin laden says america did it to itself.
who to beLIEve? who to beLIEve?
Hi non-newt! Where did you get the above pic-on-pic presentation?
RC.
.
blow me, unreality check. if i can be 'witty' for a moment.

Again you've let your penchant for the quick and thoughtless witless witticism get the better of your logical and observational faculties.
Only the floors, hat-truss and (upper) core were 'flattened' in whatever time it took.
Most of the outer 'tube' was expelled SIDEWAYS.
The lower half of the CORE 'stood' shakily for a bit LONGER.
Do you still pretend to be an 'unbiased/intelligent' observer and commentator? Or is the mask 'off' now....as just demonstrated by that post of yours?
BTW, you haven't said where you got that pic-on-pic presentation from. Source?
RC.
.
This is right on.
It only leaves out that the concrete core was what was throwing things out to the side as it exploded.
The steel beam between interior box columns was against the core face,

or connected to those that were, when the core blows, it pushes out on that beam then on the 1x 3 "I" beam that connected to the perimeter wall, breaking off the segments.
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 01:52 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:46 AM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 01:27 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 8 2006, 08:57 PM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 12:53 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 12:46 AM)
QUOTE (Ln(x)+Mar 9 2006, 12:41 AM)
A question for the shills...
Are they giving you any sort of stocks or bond in the New World Government, or are you simply without scruples and willing to sell out mankind for a quick buck?
Obviously, you are either unaware or unconcerned with the possible ramifications of your dishonest actions.
I enjoy a profound feeling of satisfaction knowing that when your time comes, after you have endured the hellish cruelty of the global paramilitary dictatorship, and you are called to stand before your maker, you will be slain.
Have a nice day.
You mean Rove's shills who want to take focus away from Bush's REAL crime. CT Shills that want to let Osama get away with the murder of 3000 people? The CTers truely don't know what they're doing.
haha! that's FUUNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYY!
i JUST posted the fake/real osama .gif, and you try and use this argument. and 'INVOKE' rove, no less. HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
News flash moron, people gain and lose weight. Once again you've only proved your idiocy.
Never mind about one video being taken further away than the other...
The real difference, is not closer or further away, but the focal length of the lens.
When you are trying to take a WIDE angle picture in a room (i.e. 3 people sitting around talking about how their last mission was wildly successful) then you have to use a WIDE ANGLE, this will get them all in the same shot, but it will DISTORT the picture (more or less depending on where the subject is in relationship to the center of the picture and the quality of the lens) typical WA lens are in the 35mm range (you get down to 18mm and you are looking at a Fish Eye lens). While you can take pictures of people with WIDE angle lens, you have to realize that it will tend to STRETCH them around the center of the lens. Further from the center, the more the stretch.
On the OTHERHAND, when you shoot a "Talking head", one tends to use a NORMAL focal length, 50-55mm where the camera "sees" ~ the same as human eyesight.
People look very NORMAL with this lens.
What is quite classically the same in both pictures is the asymetrical nose. If you want to compare a picture of two people taken under different lighting and with different lenses, look for UNIQUE features. Then the exact height X Width sizing becomes less important.
Arthur
unique features like cheekbones, eyebrows and nose?
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!
and, geez? wasn't osama ALSO on a middle easteren network only a few days difference from the famous 'cave' video? and, hadn't he 'magically' LOST all the alleged fat?
hey, as long as we're here, why don't we also analyse the jewelry-wearing 'muslims' that touch their faces with their left hands, and speak english, and have white skin, from the nick berg video? and why don't we also compare the colour and texture of the backgrounds with the abu gharib photos?
shall we also look into the british soldiers dressed as arabs who attacked a police station in iraq?
shall we deny the photos and testimony of torture(a bad thing, for those unsure) from abu gharib?
alright, class. everyone write this out.....
F-A-L-S-E F-L-A-G. now say it, .....'false flag' operations. that's where you PRETEND to be the enemy, and you do some horrific deed, and then you CLAIM that it was the 'enemy' that did it, so that you can initiate hostility while blaming the other guy for it. COOL, EH?
fish eye. HAHAHAHA!
man, you shills are putting me in a GOOD mood, today.
thanks!
See Scott, He has no problem insulting us. I say save the respect for someone deserving.
newted, The only reason you have hypnotized yourself into thinking it's not him is because he confessed. You're no different than our friend chris who sees concrete in the mirror.
Heavy word useage like shill, false flag, etc. is a testament to their radicalism.
Another standard is that one conspiracy is rapped into another and so on.
I say let them continue.
Notice the increased frustration.
Are they giving you any sort of stocks or bond in the New World Government, or are you simply without scruples and willing to sell out mankind for a quick buck?
Obviously, you are either unaware or unconcerned with the possible ramifications of your dishonest actions.
I enjoy a profound feeling of satisfaction knowing that when your time comes, after you have endured the hellish cruelty of the global paramilitary dictatorship, and you are called to stand before your maker, you will be slain.
Have a nice day.
You mean Rove's shills who want to take focus away from Bush's REAL crime. CT Shills that want to let Osama get away with the murder of 3000 people? The CTers truely don't know what they're doing.
haha! that's FUUNNNNNNNNNYYYYYYYYYYYY!
i JUST posted the fake/real osama .gif, and you try and use this argument. and 'INVOKE' rove, no less. HAHAHAHAHAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!!!
News flash moron, people gain and lose weight. Once again you've only proved your idiocy.
Never mind about one video being taken further away than the other...
The real difference, is not closer or further away, but the focal length of the lens.
When you are trying to take a WIDE angle picture in a room (i.e. 3 people sitting around talking about how their last mission was wildly successful) then you have to use a WIDE ANGLE, this will get them all in the same shot, but it will DISTORT the picture (more or less depending on where the subject is in relationship to the center of the picture and the quality of the lens) typical WA lens are in the 35mm range (you get down to 18mm and you are looking at a Fish Eye lens). While you can take pictures of people with WIDE angle lens, you have to realize that it will tend to STRETCH them around the center of the lens. Further from the center, the more the stretch.
On the OTHERHAND, when you shoot a "Talking head", one tends to use a NORMAL focal length, 50-55mm where the camera "sees" ~ the same as human eyesight.
People look very NORMAL with this lens.
What is quite classically the same in both pictures is the asymetrical nose. If you want to compare a picture of two people taken under different lighting and with different lenses, look for UNIQUE features. Then the exact height X Width sizing becomes less important.
Arthur
unique features like cheekbones, eyebrows and nose?
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
HAHAHAHA!
and, geez? wasn't osama ALSO on a middle easteren network only a few days difference from the famous 'cave' video? and, hadn't he 'magically' LOST all the alleged fat?
hey, as long as we're here, why don't we also analyse the jewelry-wearing 'muslims' that touch their faces with their left hands, and speak english, and have white skin, from the nick berg video? and why don't we also compare the colour and texture of the backgrounds with the abu gharib photos?
shall we also look into the british soldiers dressed as arabs who attacked a police station in iraq?
shall we deny the photos and testimony of torture(a bad thing, for those unsure) from abu gharib?
alright, class. everyone write this out.....
F-A-L-S-E F-L-A-G. now say it, .....'false flag' operations. that's where you PRETEND to be the enemy, and you do some horrific deed, and then you CLAIM that it was the 'enemy' that did it, so that you can initiate hostility while blaming the other guy for it. COOL, EH?
fish eye. HAHAHAHA!
man, you shills are putting me in a GOOD mood, today.
thanks!
See Scott, He has no problem insulting us. I say save the respect for someone deserving.
newted, The only reason you have hypnotized yourself into thinking it's not him is because he confessed. You're no different than our friend chris who sees concrete in the mirror.
Heavy word useage like shill, false flag, etc. is a testament to their radicalism.
Another standard is that one conspiracy is rapped into another and so on.
I say let them continue.
Notice the increased frustration.
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:20 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:10 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 01:55 AM)
http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/fake-to-real.gif
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
Thanks, mate! As you will also see from my past posts here and other forums, I not only keep this 'non-standard system because I don't have to spend most of my days 'patching' and 'virus-fighting' and 'restoring' etc etc like most people I know do because THEY have 'you-beaut' nifty NEW systems captive to the 'corporations' and the 'virus' industry.
That reminds me, who was it a good few pages back that objected to the 'promotion' of some 'long-freely-available' image-processing software from an 'open software' guy with an EXCELLENT 'package? Are these 'objectors' the same people who are AGAINST CORPORATION CONTROL? So why would they prefer to support an INFERIOR product from Microsoft in preference to this 'one man band' with a SUPERIOR product? Seems a little hypocritical to me, heh....especially considering all this NEO-CON stuff they post!
And sorry, no offence meant, newt...but you will also note from previous posts here and elsewhere, that I practice STRICT 'internet prudence' when it comes to giving out details of my system. It would defeat the purpose of keeping my non-standard old clunker 'as is', wouldn't it? Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
i HATE to admit it.
you're not all bad. LOL!
SGI all the way, or PASCAL, er WHATEVER, LOL!
ps. feck off with the attacks. you're not qualified, lol!
.
Hehehe.
.
There is more reason for the different looking cores of the towers than the fact they perpindicuarly oposite.
The south tower had a redesigned core. I've been researching it. The hallway scheme was changed from the north tower because it was so hard to rent out. Thw WTC 2 core was termed the "super core". As best as I can tell it had 2 hallways running in both directions, didnt have the taper and wasn't totally a shear wall design as was WTC 1.
It had very tightly made cells, with concrete floors (WTC 1 may have had steel framed floors).
How is THAT possible???
One was HARDER TO RENT OUT????
They hadn't even finished building them.
Arthur
It's like you never heard of realtors renting/leasing out buildings or space in them before they were built or finished.
***, you live in the USA or what?
Lower floors of WTC 1 were rented out before upper areas were finished.
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
Heavy word useage like shill, false flag, etc. is a testament to their radicalism.
Another standard is that one conspiracy is rapped into another and so on.
I say let them continue.
Notice the increased frustration.
you want HEAVY word usage? sorry. wait for the trials.
shill and false flag are light compared to 'YOU are COMPLICIT in these CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY'!
anyway, ....relax.
that's PROBABLY not going to happen, yeah?
frustration? yeah, i'm sensing some.
....from YOU.
'radicalism'.
that's funny. i'm SOOOO not a radical. unless you come up with some new passive aggressive version of 'radical'. maybe 'radial', or, 'radiator', or, 'redial'??
cool?
http://img216.imageshack.us/img216/1717/th...rushthis3om.jpg
m'kay?
p.s. if you ACTUALLY try to 'blow me', i may have to do the baseball bat experiment.
do you have a flintstone's browser?
seriously. specifically, what system are you running, mr. forthright?
Thanks, mate! As you will also see from my past posts here and other forums, I not only keep this 'non-standard system because I don't have to spend most of my days 'patching' and 'virus-fighting' and 'restoring' etc etc like most people I know do because THEY have 'you-beaut' nifty NEW systems captive to the 'corporations' and the 'virus' industry.
That reminds me, who was it a good few pages back that objected to the 'promotion' of some 'long-freely-available' image-processing software from an 'open software' guy with an EXCELLENT 'package? Are these 'objectors' the same people who are AGAINST CORPORATION CONTROL? So why would they prefer to support an INFERIOR product from Microsoft in preference to this 'one man band' with a SUPERIOR product? Seems a little hypocritical to me, heh....especially considering all this NEO-CON stuff they post!
And sorry, no offence meant, newt...but you will also note from previous posts here and elsewhere, that I practice STRICT 'internet prudence' when it comes to giving out details of my system. It would defeat the purpose of keeping my non-standard old clunker 'as is', wouldn't it? Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
i HATE to admit it.
you're not all bad. LOL!
SGI all the way, or PASCAL, er WHATEVER, LOL!
ps. feck off with the attacks. you're not qualified, lol!
.
Hehehe.
.
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 01:38 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 8 2006, 09:23 PM)
There is more reason for the different looking cores of the towers than the fact they perpindicuarly oposite.
The south tower had a redesigned core. I've been researching it. The hallway scheme was changed from the north tower because it was so hard to rent out. Thw WTC 2 core was termed the "super core". As best as I can tell it had 2 hallways running in both directions, didnt have the taper and wasn't totally a shear wall design as was WTC 1.
It had very tightly made cells, with concrete floors (WTC 1 may have had steel framed floors).
How is THAT possible???
One was HARDER TO RENT OUT????
They hadn't even finished building them.
Arthur
It's like you never heard of realtors renting/leasing out buildings or space in them before they were built or finished.
***, you live in the USA or what?
Lower floors of WTC 1 were rented out before upper areas were finished.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:10 AM)
Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:26 AM)
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:26 AM)
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
Keep up your mantra. It'll help with your position in the NWO.
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
Keep up your mantra. It'll help with your position in the NWO.
QUOTE (shagster+Mar 9 2006, 02:04 AM)
I don't see the antenna tower on the north tower (I assume the north tower is on the right). The antenna wasn't added until the late 70s if I remember right. So that pic could be fairly early when tenants hadn't yet moved in which would explain the lack of drywall or other tenant-placed materials and lack of opacity.
North tower is on the left. Sunrise shot.
See,
http://concretecore.741.com/
for a complete description of the hallways and the reflected light.
North tower is on the left. Sunrise shot.
See,
http://concretecore.741.com/
for a complete description of the hallways and the reflected light.
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 8 2006, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 8 2006, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (ScottS.+Mar 8 2006, 03:51 PM)
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
QUOTE (ScottS+Mar 9 2006, 02:23 AM)
Heavy word useage like shill, false flag, etc. is a testament to their radicalism.
Another standard is that one conspiracy is rapped into another and so on.
I say let them continue.
Notice the increased frustration.
you want HEAVY word usage? sorry. wait for the trials.
shill and false flag are light compared to 'YOU are COMPLICIT in these CRIMES AGAINST HUMANITY'!
anyway, ....relax.
that's PROBABLY not going to happen, yeah?
frustration? yeah, i'm sensing some.
....from YOU.
'radicalism'.
that's funny. i'm SOOOO not a radical. unless you come up with some new passive aggressive version of 'radical'. maybe 'radial', or, 'radiator', or, 'redial'??
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:02 AM)
p.s. UC, you know a 'good' second hand PC is like a hundred bucks, now, right?
you might want to think about it. i keep my task specific computers task specific.
i mean, the things are more chaotic than a runaway global collapse!
Another Aussie saying, newt: "When you're on a 'good thing', stick to it!"
Besides, unlike you healthy/young people, I don't have the '(life)time and energy left to WANT to 'do it all over again' when it comes to reconfiguring a new computer 'precisely' as I want for MY purposes....and not just for internet.
Anyway, if it wasn't for the intellectually-stimulating allure of these enlightening/interesting/constructive Physorg interactions, I would probably spend an hour a week on the net, if THAT! And where I am the 'connection' is 'iffy' and not worth the extra cash on new equipment which I could better spend on Research/development pre-processes for my many ideas. (I know you don't believe it, but it's true nonetheless...I DO have some original ideas in the pipeline...and it's just a matter of applying my meagre energy/financial resources to push them along.)
And as I stated some time ago to someone, the internet is mostly full of crap and 'pitfalls' for those of you with 'you-beaut' NEW PCs, hehehe. You're welcome to it for the time being. Cheers newt!
RC.
.
you might want to think about it. i keep my task specific computers task specific.
i mean, the things are more chaotic than a runaway global collapse!
Another Aussie saying, newt: "When you're on a 'good thing', stick to it!"
Besides, unlike you healthy/young people, I don't have the '(life)time and energy left to WANT to 'do it all over again' when it comes to reconfiguring a new computer 'precisely' as I want for MY purposes....and not just for internet.
Anyway, if it wasn't for the intellectually-stimulating allure of these enlightening/interesting/constructive Physorg interactions, I would probably spend an hour a week on the net, if THAT! And where I am the 'connection' is 'iffy' and not worth the extra cash on new equipment which I could better spend on Research/development pre-processes for my many ideas. (I know you don't believe it, but it's true nonetheless...I DO have some original ideas in the pipeline...and it's just a matter of applying my meagre energy/financial resources to push them along.)
And as I stated some time ago to someone, the internet is mostly full of crap and 'pitfalls' for those of you with 'you-beaut' NEW PCs, hehehe. You're welcome to it for the time being. Cheers newt!
RC.
.
Concrete removal
Since the end of WWII builders designed most of the concrete from the modern high-rise constriction. First concrete they eliminated was the stone exterior wall. They replace them with the “curtain walls of glass, sheet steel, or plastics. This curtain wall acted as a lightweight skin to enclose the structure from the outside elements. Next the 8-inch thick concrete floors went. They were replaced with a combination of 2 or 3 inches of concrete on top of thin corrugated steel sheets. Next the masonry enclosure for stairs and elevators were replaced with several layers of sheet rock. Then the masonry smoke proof tower was eliminated in the 1968 building code. It contained too much concrete weight and took up valuable floor space. Then the solid steel beam was replace by the steel truss. And finally the concrete and brick encasement of steel columns girders and floor supports was eliminated. A lightweight spray-on coating of asbestos or mineral fiber was sprayed over the steel. This coating provided fireproofing. After asbestos was discovered hazardous vermiculite or volcanic rock ash substance was used as a spray-on coating for steel. Outside of the foundation walls and a thin 2 or 3 inches of floors surface, concrete has almost been eliminated from high-rise office building construction. If you look at the WTC rubble at ground zero you see very little concrete and lots of twisted steel.
http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/2001-09...llapse_Dunn.htm

Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
Since the end of WWII builders designed most of the concrete from the modern high-rise constriction. First concrete they eliminated was the stone exterior wall. They replace them with the “curtain walls of glass, sheet steel, or plastics. This curtain wall acted as a lightweight skin to enclose the structure from the outside elements. Next the 8-inch thick concrete floors went. They were replaced with a combination of 2 or 3 inches of concrete on top of thin corrugated steel sheets. Next the masonry enclosure for stairs and elevators were replaced with several layers of sheet rock. Then the masonry smoke proof tower was eliminated in the 1968 building code. It contained too much concrete weight and took up valuable floor space. Then the solid steel beam was replace by the steel truss. And finally the concrete and brick encasement of steel columns girders and floor supports was eliminated. A lightweight spray-on coating of asbestos or mineral fiber was sprayed over the steel. This coating provided fireproofing. After asbestos was discovered hazardous vermiculite or volcanic rock ash substance was used as a spray-on coating for steel. Outside of the foundation walls and a thin 2 or 3 inches of floors surface, concrete has almost been eliminated from high-rise office building construction. If you look at the WTC rubble at ground zero you see very little concrete and lots of twisted steel.
http://www.lafire.com/famous_fires/2001-09...llapse_Dunn.htm

Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:26 AM)
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:30 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:10 AM)
Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:26 AM)
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
It pales in comparison to your skull.
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
It pales in comparison to your skull.
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:26 AM)
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
and the concrete in the core is most probably laced with rebar.
the degree of resistance to ANY angular forces in such a configuration is an ENGINEERING MARVEL. this is why the media and peer organisations used 'engineering marvel' to describe the towers way back in the sixties.
(as a backdrop, consider that skyscrapers started shooting up(and NOT falling down in SECONDS) in the twenties. think moores law.)
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
and the concrete in the core is most probably laced with rebar.
the degree of resistance to ANY angular forces in such a configuration is an ENGINEERING MARVEL. this is why the media and peer organisations used 'engineering marvel' to describe the towers way back in the sixties.
(as a backdrop, consider that skyscrapers started shooting up(and NOT falling down in SECONDS) in the twenties. think moores law.)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:54 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:26 AM)
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
and the concrete in the core is most probably laced with rebar.
the degree of resistance to ANY angular forces in such a configuration is an ENGINEERING MARVEL. this is why the media and peer organisations used 'engineering marvel' to describe the towers way back in the sixties.
(as a backdrop, consider that skyscrapers started shooting up(and NOT falling down in SECONDS) in the twenties. think moores law.)
I can't help but think our friend chris is laughing at you. Heh!
http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/apabarabasz.jpg
Talk about psych-ops! Heh!
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
and the concrete in the core is most probably laced with rebar.
the degree of resistance to ANY angular forces in such a configuration is an ENGINEERING MARVEL. this is why the media and peer organisations used 'engineering marvel' to describe the towers way back in the sixties.
(as a backdrop, consider that skyscrapers started shooting up(and NOT falling down in SECONDS) in the twenties. think moores law.)
I can't help but think our friend chris is laughing at you. Heh!
http://algoxy.com/psych/psyimages/apabarabasz.jpg
Talk about psych-ops! Heh!
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:52 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:32 AM)
QUOTE (Commen sense+Mar 9 2006, 02:26 AM)
Correction: Repeat after me... There was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE... there was no concrete CORE...
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
It pales in comparison to your skull.
So if you won't explain why the core you believe is not seen in this photo,

does that mean you cannot support the 47, 1,300 steel core columns so by default believe it had NO core.
Are you basically saying the towers had no core, a supporter of the AIR CORE theory?
There was most certainly concrete FLOORS. a measly 2 inches.
you're lying.
it's AT LEAST four inches, and you ought to know that by now.
The floors in WTC 2 core were 1 foot thick at least.
It pales in comparison to your skull.
So if you won't explain why the core you believe is not seen in this photo,

does that mean you cannot support the 47, 1,300 steel core columns so by default believe it had NO core.
Are you basically saying the towers had no core, a supporter of the AIR CORE theory?
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 01:43 AM)
QUOTE (brian+Mar 8 2006, 09:21 PM)
Of course you are a pilot.
I was posting on airdisaster.com before 9-11
I guess I set up the lie that I was a pilot over there in ANTICIPATION of needing it for a CONSPIRACY about an event that had not yet happened.
MORON
Arthur
Interesting post adoucette. Seems like Sagadevan is a scammer of some sort.
I guess others researched this guy Sagadevan and came to similar conclusions
Seems the guy doesn't know what he's talking about nor has he flown a plane in 20 years.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread185820/pg1
Sagadevan doesn't seem to be credible hit in other forums either.
Like rec.travel.air or rec.aviation.piloting
....Or maybe these are all spooks/shills.
Seems brian might want to rethink his sources.
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
I was posting on airdisaster.com before 9-11
I guess I set up the lie that I was a pilot over there in ANTICIPATION of needing it for a CONSPIRACY about an event that had not yet happened.
MORON
Arthur
Interesting post adoucette. Seems like Sagadevan is a scammer of some sort.
I guess others researched this guy Sagadevan and came to similar conclusions
Seems the guy doesn't know what he's talking about nor has he flown a plane in 20 years.
http://www.abovetopsecret.com/forum/thread185820/pg1
Sagadevan doesn't seem to be credible hit in other forums either.
Like rec.travel.air or rec.aviation.piloting
....Or maybe these are all spooks/shills.
Seems brian might want to rethink his sources.
Looks like there isn't an antenna on the left either. Must have been an early photo.
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 9 2006, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 8 2006, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 8 2006, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (ScottS.+Mar 8 2006, 03:51 PM)
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:30 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:10 AM)
Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
it's only a mistake if i forget what you said you want to do to foxx's head with a baseball bat.
'feel' it?
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
it's only a mistake if i forget what you said you want to do to foxx's head with a baseball bat.
'feel' it?
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 03:09 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:30 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:10 AM)
Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
it's only a mistake if i forget what you said you want to do to foxx's head with a baseball bat.
'feel' it?
If you go back and read the relevant posts, you will note that you 'forget' that it was Foxx who introduced the 'baseball bat' comparison to 'everyday' forces which the towers were built to take. The difference is obvious between concentrated-point baseball bat 'hit' and distributed-area wind loadings.
I merely did what ANY good science teacher might do, that is, extended Foxx's analogy in an 'illustration' (did you miss/forget that word too?) which would bring home to ANYONE imagining themselves being struck by a baseball bat and being subject to that SAME energy 'spread over' their whole body surface. An illustrative extension of a prior analogy by Foxx is hardly indicative of bloodthirsty intent, now is it?
So there's nothing for you to 'forget' after all, heh...since it was a figment of your own 'bloodthirsty' imagination, heh newt? hehehe. Again, Cheers! (i mean it!).
RC.
.
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
it's only a mistake if i forget what you said you want to do to foxx's head with a baseball bat.
'feel' it?
If you go back and read the relevant posts, you will note that you 'forget' that it was Foxx who introduced the 'baseball bat' comparison to 'everyday' forces which the towers were built to take. The difference is obvious between concentrated-point baseball bat 'hit' and distributed-area wind loadings.
I merely did what ANY good science teacher might do, that is, extended Foxx's analogy in an 'illustration' (did you miss/forget that word too?) which would bring home to ANYONE imagining themselves being struck by a baseball bat and being subject to that SAME energy 'spread over' their whole body surface. An illustrative extension of a prior analogy by Foxx is hardly indicative of bloodthirsty intent, now is it?
So there's nothing for you to 'forget' after all, heh...since it was a figment of your own 'bloodthirsty' imagination, heh newt? hehehe. Again, Cheers! (i mean it!).
RC.
.
QUOTE (newton+Mar 8 2006, 09:46 PM)
unique features like cheekbones, eyebrows and nose?
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
I didn't mean for my reply to be taken as a statement of my belief that those two were the same guy. They appear to me to have the same nose, but then the thing keeps moving so it is really hard to tell.
If you wanted to let people compare them HONESTLY you wouldn't MORPH one to the other, because as I pointed out, there can be PHOTOGRAPHIC REASONS that relative dimensions of the same person will change when using different lenses.
Thus the MORPHING can be made to make the SAME person look different.
IT can be a VALID technique for comparing two objects shot using the same lens, but there is no way to tell from this head shot that that was the case.
The "fish eye" reference was so you would understand how a normal lens (55 mm) distorts less than a wide angle lens (35mm) that distorts less than an EXTREME wide angle lens, the Fish eye at 18mm. While EVERYONE notices the distortion in the fisheye, some do not see it in the 35mm lens, but its there, its just not as EXTREME as the fisheye.
Arthur
it's not osama, shills. ADMIT IT!!!!!
I didn't mean for my reply to be taken as a statement of my belief that those two were the same guy. They appear to me to have the same nose, but then the thing keeps moving so it is really hard to tell.
If you wanted to let people compare them HONESTLY you wouldn't MORPH one to the other, because as I pointed out, there can be PHOTOGRAPHIC REASONS that relative dimensions of the same person will change when using different lenses.
Thus the MORPHING can be made to make the SAME person look different.
IT can be a VALID technique for comparing two objects shot using the same lens, but there is no way to tell from this head shot that that was the case.
The "fish eye" reference was so you would understand how a normal lens (55 mm) distorts less than a wide angle lens (35mm) that distorts less than an EXTREME wide angle lens, the Fish eye at 18mm. While EVERYONE notices the distortion in the fisheye, some do not see it in the 35mm lens, but its there, its just not as EXTREME as the fisheye.
Arthur
QUOTE (shagster+Mar 9 2006, 03:06 AM)
Looks like there isn't an antenna on the left either. Must have been an early photo.
I don't know how you conclude that. The tower top can't be seen in my photo.
I don't know how you conclude that. The tower top can't be seen in my photo.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 03:20 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 03:09 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:48 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Mar 9 2006, 02:30 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 02:10 AM)
Thanks again for the requested source info. Cheers!
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
it's only a mistake if i forget what you said you want to do to foxx's head with a baseball bat.
'feel' it?
If you go back and read the relevant posts, you will note that you 'foget' that it was Foxx who introduced the 'baseball bat' comparison to 'everyday' forces which the towers were built to take. The difference is obvious between concentrated-point baseball bat 'hit' and distributed-area wind loadings.
I merely did what ANY good science teacher might do, that is, extended Foxx's analogy in an 'illustration' (did you miss/forget that word too?) which would bring home to ANYONE imagining themselves being struck by a baseball bat and being subject to that SAME energy 'spread over' their whole body surface. An illustrative extension of a prior analogy by Foxx is hardly indicative of bloodthirsty intent, now is it?
So there's nothing for you to 'forget' after all, heh...since it was a figment of your own 'bloodthirsty' imagination, heh newt? hehehe. Again, Cheers! (i mean it!).
RC.
.
'does anybody want a drink before the war?' -skinhead o'connor
and, frankly, we don't need much 'imagination' to see the 'bloodthirsty'(the vampire drink?) reality of reality, eh?
cheers. and i mean it, as a man who has toasted with both assassins and saints, in a VERY REAL human fashion.
'you're only as good as your last performance'
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
Hi Chris. I can see that the majority of the building rubble has JUST THEN 'hit ground'. You will note that the 'horizontal-cloud expulsions have only JUST begun to be expelled SIDEWAYS along the ground. Since those clouds are being driven OUT SIDEWAYS, wouldn't SOME of that expelled gases/dust be expected to ALSO be expelled BACK UP like that as well from the central part of that rubble pile?
This is the same thing that should be expected to happen (and did) when the TOP section floors/hat-truss etc fell into the bottom section....some stuff got expelled SIDEWAYS and some stuff BACK UP (until the 'wake suction' of the PROGRESSIVE descent of that mass 'sucked down' some of that previously ejected stuff).
Reasonable?
RC.
.
RC.
.
seeing as i KNOW you don't FEEL anything, when you say 'thanks'....
no problem. my pleasure. CHEERS, 'BUDDY'!
That's where you make your GREATEST mistake, newt. I mean/feel what I say. Cheers!
RC.
.
it's only a mistake if i forget what you said you want to do to foxx's head with a baseball bat.
'feel' it?
If you go back and read the relevant posts, you will note that you 'foget' that it was Foxx who introduced the 'baseball bat' comparison to 'everyday' forces which the towers were built to take. The difference is obvious between concentrated-point baseball bat 'hit' and distributed-area wind loadings.
I merely did what ANY good science teacher might do, that is, extended Foxx's analogy in an 'illustration' (did you miss/forget that word too?) which would bring home to ANYONE imagining themselves being struck by a baseball bat and being subject to that SAME energy 'spread over' their whole body surface. An illustrative extension of a prior analogy by Foxx is hardly indicative of bloodthirsty intent, now is it?
So there's nothing for you to 'forget' after all, heh...since it was a figment of your own 'bloodthirsty' imagination, heh newt? hehehe. Again, Cheers! (i mean it!).
RC.
.
'does anybody want a drink before the war?' -skinhead o'connor
and, frankly, we don't need much 'imagination' to see the 'bloodthirsty'(the vampire drink?) reality of reality, eh?
cheers. and i mean it, as a man who has toasted with both assassins and saints, in a VERY REAL human fashion.
'you're only as good as your last performance'
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 03:06 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 9 2006, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 8 2006, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 8 2006, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (ScottS.+Mar 8 2006, 03:51 PM)
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
Hi Chris. I can see that the majority of the building rubble has JUST THEN 'hit ground'. You will note that the 'horizontal-cloud expulsions have only JUST begun to be expelled SIDEWAYS along the ground. Since those clouds are being driven OUT SIDEWAYS, wouldn't SOME of that expelled gases/dust be expected to ALSO be expelled BACK UP like that as well from the central part of that rubble pile?
This is the same thing that should be expected to happen (and did) when the TOP section floors/hat-truss etc fell into the bottom section....some stuff got expelled SIDEWAYS and some stuff BACK UP (until the 'wake suction' of the PROGRESSIVE descent of that mass 'sucked down' some of that previously ejected stuff).
Reasonable?
RC.
.
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 03:26 AM)
QUOTE (shagster+Mar 9 2006, 03:06 AM)
Looks like there isn't an antenna on the left either. Must have been an early photo.
I don't know how you conclude that. The tower top can't be seen in my photo.
There's a sliver of light along the top. Hard to tell. I don't see any interruption of light at the top, so I assume the antenna isn't there. It's probably an early photo considering how empty the towers look.
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
Hi Chris. I can see that the majority of the building rubble has JUST THEN 'hit ground'. You will note that the 'horizontal-cloud expulsions have onlu JUST begun to be expelled SIDEWAYS along the ground. Since those clouds are being driven OUT SIDEWAYS, wouldn't SOME of that expelled gases/dust be expected to ALSO be expelled BACK UP like that as well from the central part of that rubble pile?
RC.
.
I don't know how familiar you are with high explosives and the relative velocity that is imparted to particulate that was a part of mineral based material.
The rule is simple and you will grasp it immediately.
If it doesn't have mass, it won't go very far.
Meaning the plume at 70 degrees from horizontal has lots of gravel in it. Yes, it will go up, but not with velocity. IE. the pyroclastic dust flow, fine dust, it goes up with heat.
I don't know how you conclude that. The tower top can't be seen in my photo.
There's a sliver of light along the top. Hard to tell. I don't see any interruption of light at the top, so I assume the antenna isn't there. It's probably an early photo considering how empty the towers look.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 03:30 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 03:06 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 9 2006, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 8 2006, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 8 2006, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (ScottS.+Mar 8 2006, 03:51 PM)
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
Hi Chris. I can see that the majority of the building rubble has JUST THEN 'hit ground'. You will note that the 'horizontal-cloud expulsions have onlu JUST begun to be expelled SIDEWAYS along the ground. Since those clouds are being driven OUT SIDEWAYS, wouldn't SOME of that expelled gases/dust be expected to ALSO be expelled BACK UP like that as well from the central part of that rubble pile?
RC.
.
I don't know how familiar you are with high explosives and the relative velocity that is imparted to particulate that was a part of mineral based material.
The rule is simple and you will grasp it immediately.
If it doesn't have mass, it won't go very far.
Meaning the plume at 70 degrees from horizontal has lots of gravel in it. Yes, it will go up, but not with velocity. IE. the pyroclastic dust flow, fine dust, it goes up with heat.
QUOTE (shagster+Mar 9 2006, 03:33 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 03:26 AM)
QUOTE (shagster+Mar 9 2006, 03:06 AM)
Looks like there isn't an antenna on the left either. Must have been an early photo.
I don't know how you conclude that. The tower top can't be seen in my photo.
There's a sliver of light along the top. Hard to tell. I don't see any interruption of light at the top, so I assume the antenna isn't there. It's probably an early photo considering how empty the towers look.
Notice the angle formed by the top of the right tower, WTC 2 and the frame of the image. The same angle exists between the top of WTC 1 and the frame but you can't see it as it is cut off.
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
Hi Chris. I can see that the majority of the building rubble has JUST THEN 'hit ground'. You will note that the 'horizontal-cloud expulsions have onlu JUST begun to be expelled SIDEWAYS along the ground. Since those clouds are being driven OUT SIDEWAYS, wouldn't SOME of that expelled gases/dust be expected to ALSO be expelled BACK UP like that as well from the central part of that rubble pile?
RC.
.
I don't know how familiar you are with high explosives and the relative velocity tha is imparted to particulate that was a part of mineral baed material.
The rule is simple and you will grasp it immediately.
If it doesn't have mass if won't go very far.
Meaning the plume at 70 degree from horizontal has lots of gravel in it. Yes, it will go up, but not with velocity. IE. the pyroclastic dust flow.
Hi Chris. I can imagine those 'hot winds' being driven by mass-ground contact compression would be as strong as cyclonic winds. So the 'ejecta' is ALSO 'riding' along the pressure-blast streams before 'pluming out'. This is very common in 'volcanic' gas-explosions with 'entrained' materials NOT needing to be 'massive' to go long distances (evidence ultra-lighteweight' PUMICE materials riding up along with those 'columns' of 'explosive' hot-gas/dust expulsions). But in any case, such sudden pressure-released 'blasts' will entrain MUCH material/chunks of varying size/density.
RC.
.
I don't know how you conclude that. The tower top can't be seen in my photo.
There's a sliver of light along the top. Hard to tell. I don't see any interruption of light at the top, so I assume the antenna isn't there. It's probably an early photo considering how empty the towers look.
Notice the angle formed by the top of the right tower, WTC 2 and the frame of the image. The same angle exists between the top of WTC 1 and the frame but you can't see it as it is cut off.
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 03:34 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Mar 9 2006, 03:30 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 03:06 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 9 2006, 02:43 AM)
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 8 2006, 06:14 PM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 9 2006, 12:26 AM)
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Mar 8 2006, 08:12 PM)
QUOTE (ScottS.+Mar 8 2006, 03:51 PM)
Yes paint me the robot.
Didn't you try that before;)
Ok ScottS. Answer this simple question. Does the collapse of WTC7 resemble a controlled demolition? Just yes or no, I would like your honest opinion.
I suspect Steve will agree, but regradless, IMHO:
Visually it does to a certain extent, in that unlike the WTC 1 & 2 which OBVIOUSLY collapsed from the point of plane impact DOWN, the WTC 7 building fails down low.
What I've NEVER seen, and what I think would be QUITE NOTICABLE, since people were standing around WAITING for it to fall, would be the SHARP REPORTS from the HIGH EXPLOSIVES as the key supports were cut.
That I have NEVER heard.
Nor do I SEE any obvious signs of DEMOLITION.
And so no, it doesn't APPEAR from an AUDIO/VISUAL point of view to be a CD.
Arthur
Arthur,
You make a point I've made before, but I related it specifically to cutting steel core columns.
You say "supports", well I know there was a concrete core, so you are half right.
IF there were steel core columns THEN the sharp reports would be heard exactly as you say.
Since there was a concrete core (with C4 coated rebar in it, floors layered with it too), the explosions could be contained by very carefully engineered charges perfectly placed and distributed which would all but eliminate gas jets that also make a sharper noise. Since there was a concrete core, all of the concrete could fall immediatly enabling free fall. Since the floors were layered with C4, everything in the building was pulverized and the floors cut the interior box columns just ahead of the core which levered out the interior box columns that in turn pushed out the perimeter walls ni segments or pieces.
Since there was a cold war, we developed the C4 coated rebar as a self destruct technology for sub bases and missle silos.
Christophera,
Do you have any proof at all for the C4 idea?
The demolition is the proof. You can't make it happen any other way.
All the photos you see show a demolition so sophisticated that we argue about what it was.
The lower portion here is literally blowing up.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc341coreblast.jpg
Locate/align the blast with this earlier photo.

http://algoxy.com/psych/images/wtc32.1corealign.jpg
Hi Chris. I can see that the majority of the building rubble has JUST THEN 'hit ground'. You will note that the 'horizontal-cloud expulsions have onlu JUST begun to be expelled SIDEWAYS along the ground. Since those clouds are being driven OUT SIDEWAYS, wouldn't SOME of that expelled gases/dust be expected to ALSO be expelled BACK UP like that as well from the central part of that rubble pile?
RC.
.
I don't know how familiar you are with high explosives and the relative velocity tha is imparted to particulate that was a part of mineral baed material.
The rule is simple and you will grasp it immediately.
If it doesn't have mass if won't go very far.
Meaning the plume at 70 degree from horizontal has lots of gravel in it. Yes, it will go up, but not with velocity. IE. the pyroclastic dust flow.
Hi Chris. I can imagine those 'hot winds' being driven by mass-ground contact compression would be as strong as cyclonic winds. So the 'ejecta' is ALSO 'riding' along the pressure-blast streams before 'pluming out'. This is very common in 'volcanic' gas-explosions with 'entrained' materials NOT needing to be 'massive' to go long distances (evidence ultra-lighteweight' PUMICE materials riding up along with those 'columns' of 'explosive' hot-gas/dust expulsions). But in any case, such sudden pressure-released 'blasts' will entrain MUCH material/chunks of varying size/density.
RC.
.
QUOTE (Christophera+Mar 9 2006, 01:13 AM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Mar 8 2006, 03:27 PM)
QUOTE (metamars+Mar 8 2006, 11:04 AM)
How can this photo: