QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
just for the record, i don't capitalise, because i'm anti englishist. and too lazy to hit the shift key.
i find making EXCITING words more THRILLING by making them LARGER an effective communication tool.
it also makes LUDICROUS NONSENSE more HILARIOUS.
RC
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
just for the record, i don't capitalise, because i'm anti englishist. and too lazy to hit the shift key.
i find making EXCITING words more THRILLING by making them LARGER an effective communication tool.
it also makes LUDICROUS NONSENSE more HILARIOUS.
RC
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
To BE a TRUE SCIENTIST all you NEED is BRAINS and the INTEGRITY to apply THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD to FACTS/OBSERVATIONS so as to ascertain the BEST FIT for the observed phenomena.
It has become abundantly clear to all here that YOU LACK ALL THE NECESSARIES, especially BRAINS, to be a true scientist.
Just because you are found SOOOO deficient is no excuse for you to bother those who have taken the trouble to learn and apply the scientific method so as to ensure that they don't end up like YOU....perfectly useless in all respects...self-evidently. QED.
Did you comprehend the difference between you and the Physorg regular scientists? Or do I have to 'capitalise' EVERY WORD for you, JamesDweeb?
RC.
.
As is now painfully obvious to all with access to "FOXX"s "great free internet communications network", FOXX and co never HAD anything much to SAY that was of any REAL substance. No change, really. 4yrs or no 4yrs, it's as stupid and MUTE ON THE PHYSICS then as it is now. As I said, no change. Typical.
Regards,
RC.
.
wrong. the unofficial conspiracy theory WORKS, whereas, the official one DOESN'T. that's why there has been 'no change', because it was always right, and mounting evidence continually reinforces the unofficial TRUTH, vs. the VERY WOBBLY official LIE.
pretty fookin witty, eh?
Oh? Is THAT why "FOXX" is twisted in knots and currently engaged in trying to chew his leg off in a vain attempt to escape the "FOXX"TRAP he so assiduously 'constructed' over 4yrs and THEN was so careless as to set it off all on his little lonesome? You are now deluded, as well as STILL useless in physics of any sort.
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
To BE a TRUE SCIENTIST all you NEED is BRAINS and the INTEGRITY to apply THE SCIENTIFIC METHOD to FACTS/OBSERVATIONS so as to ascertain the BEST FIT for the observed phenomena.
It has become abundantly clear to all here that YOU LACK ALL THE NECESSARIES, especially BRAINS, to be a true scientist.
Just because you are found SOOOO deficient is no excuse for you to bother those who have taken the trouble to learn and apply the scientific method so as to ensure that they don't end up like YOU....perfectly useless in all respects...self-evidently. QED.
Did you comprehend the difference between you and the Physorg regular scientists? Or do I have to 'capitalise' EVERY WORD for you, JamesDweeb?
RC.
.
QUOTE (newton+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 04:27 AM)
As is now painfully obvious to all with access to "FOXX"s "great free internet communications network", FOXX and co never HAD anything much to SAY that was of any REAL substance. No change, really. 4yrs or no 4yrs, it's as stupid and MUTE ON THE PHYSICS then as it is now. As I said, no change. Typical.
Regards,
RC.
.
wrong. the unofficial conspiracy theory WORKS, whereas, the official one DOESN'T. that's why there has been 'no change', because it was always right, and mounting evidence continually reinforces the unofficial TRUTH, vs. the VERY WOBBLY official LIE.
pretty fookin witty, eh?
Oh? Is THAT why "FOXX" is twisted in knots and currently engaged in trying to chew his leg off in a vain attempt to escape the "FOXX"TRAP he so assiduously 'constructed' over 4yrs and THEN was so careless as to set it off all on his little lonesome? You are now deluded, as well as STILL useless in physics of any sort.
QUOTE (newton+Feb 26 2006, 09:00 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
just for the record, i don't capitalise, because i'm anti englishist. and too lazy to hit the shift key.
i find making EXCITING words more THRILLING by making them LARGER an effective communication tool.
it also makes LUDICROUS NONSENSE more HILARIOUS.
RC
Oh dear oh dear. One idiot (newton) taking for his 'foundation arguments' the 'brainless soundings' of another idiot (JamesDweeb)!
As CS would say: "Oh, the Irony!"...the Humanity!
RC.
.
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
just for the record, i don't capitalise, because i'm anti englishist. and too lazy to hit the shift key.
i find making EXCITING words more THRILLING by making them LARGER an effective communication tool.
it also makes LUDICROUS NONSENSE more HILARIOUS.
RC
Oh dear oh dear. One idiot (newton) taking for his 'foundation arguments' the 'brainless soundings' of another idiot (JamesDweeb)!
As CS would say: "Oh, the Irony!"...the Humanity!
RC.
.
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 09:57 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
Apparently you don't learn anything, JamesDweeb. Or you would have learned to read EVEN CAPITALISED WORDS. Just because you can't READ CAPITALISED WORDS you are missing out on the very WORDS that are showing you up for an IDIOT. But, since you CAN'T READ CAPITALISED WORDS, you DON'T KNOW that I am calling you an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for you IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb?
And your laughter has long been drowned out by the howls of laughter emanating from the REAL PhysOrgForumers, and not the clowns dropping by just to provide the entertainment on a slow day, hahaha! Does that clown facepaint EVER come off, JamesDweeb?
RC....but I should write "rc"....so that you will at least know who is calling you an IDIOT without you realising it.
.
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
Apparently you don't learn anything, JamesDweeb. Or you would have learned to read EVEN CAPITALISED WORDS. Just because you can't READ CAPITALISED WORDS you are missing out on the very WORDS that are showing you up for an IDIOT. But, since you CAN'T READ CAPITALISED WORDS, you DON'T KNOW that I am calling you an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for you IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb?
And your laughter has long been drowned out by the howls of laughter emanating from the REAL PhysOrgForumers, and not the clowns dropping by just to provide the entertainment on a slow day, hahaha! Does that clown facepaint EVER come off, JamesDweeb?
RC....but I should write "rc"....so that you will at least know who is calling you an IDIOT without you realising it.
.
QUOTE (O RLYityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:09 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 09:57 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:09 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 09:57 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
If you spent the same amount of effort on thinking and science as you obviously have to spend on FABRICATING TRANSCRIPTS, then perhaps you wouldn't HAVE to 'fabricate' a fantasy world where YOU 'appear' to be less stupid and dishonest than you prove yourself to be with every deteriorating post.
It is apparent now that you do not understand the English language sufficiently so as to understand just HOW you are being insulted.
That would explain why you have to 'fabricate' conversation transcripts, heh? Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb. Your mother would not approve!...or would she?
Do you 'fabricate' evidence/data in your science class assignments too, JamesDweeb?
RC ("rc" to you, JamesDweeb).
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
If you spent the same amount of effort on thinking and science as you obviously have to spend on FABRICATING TRANSCRIPTS, then perhaps you wouldn't HAVE to 'fabricate' a fantasy world where YOU 'appear' to be less stupid and dishonest than you prove yourself to be with every deteriorating post.
It is apparent now that you do not understand the English language sufficiently so as to understand just HOW you are being insulted.
That would explain why you have to 'fabricate' conversation transcripts, heh? Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb. Your mother would not approve!...or would she?
Do you 'fabricate' evidence/data in your science class assignments too, JamesDweeb?
RC ("rc" to you, JamesDweeb).
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:37 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:09 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 09:57 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:37 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:09 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 09:57 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
It's more plausible than your PHYSICS, heh JamesDweeb?
Besides, "FOXX" is only the 'phantom controversy' front man for cronies like you, who actually do the spamming/scamming linking to those 'front' sites for terrorists and con-men using the 'sucker click' traffic you and your oh-too-stupid-to-be-genuine runningmates have tried to send their way at every opportunity.
What's the matter, our warnings to Physorg members/visitors having a detrimental effect on your 'paycheck', JamesDweeb (or should that be shill, because, according to FOXX's definition, that's ALL you've been doing here...for it certainly isn't PHYSICS). Too bad. So sorry. Boohoohoo...
RC.
.
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
It's more plausible than your PHYSICS, heh JamesDweeb?
Besides, "FOXX" is only the 'phantom controversy' front man for cronies like you, who actually do the spamming/scamming linking to those 'front' sites for terrorists and con-men using the 'sucker click' traffic you and your oh-too-stupid-to-be-genuine runningmates have tried to send their way at every opportunity.
What's the matter, our warnings to Physorg members/visitors having a detrimental effect on your 'paycheck', JamesDweeb (or should that be shill, because, according to FOXX's definition, that's ALL you've been doing here...for it certainly isn't PHYSICS). Too bad. So sorry. Boohoohoo...
RC.
.
QUOTE (O RLY?Check!+Feb 26 2006, 10:58 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:37 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:09 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 09:57 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
It's more plausible than your PHYSICS, heh JamesDweeb?
Besides, "FOXX" is only the 'phantom controversy' front man for cronies like you, who actually do the spamming/scamming linking to those 'front' sites for terrorists and con-men using the 'sucker click' traffic you and your oh-too-stupid-to-be-genuine runningmates have tried to send their way at every opportunity.
What's the matter, our warnings to Physorg members/visitors having a detrimental effect on your 'paycheck', JamesDweeb (or should that be shill, because, according to FOXX's definition, that's ALL you've been doing here...for it certainly isn't PHYSICS). Too bad. So sorry. Boohoohoo...
RC.
.
LMAO yeah, that's the one. It gets better every time you tell it.
So which one of you foil hats uncovered this dastardly spam gang first?
And how is the investigation going?
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
It's more plausible than your PHYSICS, heh JamesDweeb?
Besides, "FOXX" is only the 'phantom controversy' front man for cronies like you, who actually do the spamming/scamming linking to those 'front' sites for terrorists and con-men using the 'sucker click' traffic you and your oh-too-stupid-to-be-genuine runningmates have tried to send their way at every opportunity.
What's the matter, our warnings to Physorg members/visitors having a detrimental effect on your 'paycheck', JamesDweeb (or should that be shill, because, according to FOXX's definition, that's ALL you've been doing here...for it certainly isn't PHYSICS). Too bad. So sorry. Boohoohoo...
RC.
.
LMAO yeah, that's the one. It gets better every time you tell it.
So which one of you foil hats uncovered this dastardly spam gang first?
And how is the investigation going?
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 11:09 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?Check!+Feb 26 2006, 10:58 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:48 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:37 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 10:20 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 10:09 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 09:57 AM)
QUOTE (O RLY?ity Check+Feb 26 2006, 09:42 AM)
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 08:14 AM)
QUOTE (O RLYity Check+)
I'm a scientist
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
It's more plausible than your PHYSICS, heh JamesDweeb?
Besides, "FOXX" is only the 'phantom controversy' front man for cronies like you, who actually do the spamming/scamming linking to those 'front' sites for terrorists and con-men using the 'sucker click' traffic you and your oh-too-stupid-to-be-genuine runningmates have tried to send their way at every opportunity.
What's the matter, our warnings to Physorg members/visitors having a detrimental effect on your 'paycheck', JamesDweeb (or should that be shill, because, according to FOXX's definition, that's ALL you've been doing here...for it certainly isn't PHYSICS). Too bad. So sorry. Boohoohoo...
RC.
.
LMAO yeah, that's the one. It gets better every time you tell it.
So which one of you foil hats uncovered this dastardly spam gang first?
And how is the investigation going?
How's the PHYSICS going, mate?
Prove me wrong by posting some consistent physics argument in support of you BEING here at ALL, heh?
Otherwise, what are you DOING here except supporting the spam/scam sites your mates direct 'sucker click' traffic to.
Prove you are NOT involved with "FOXX"s phantom controvery crowd, by posting some CONSISTENT PHYSICS ARGUMENT in support of even ONE physical phenomenon/observation related to 9/11 events from plane impacts that you have GENUINE questions about. If you can manage that, all here, including myself, will have reason to allay our suspicions and listen to what you have to say...but ONLY if you stop your infantile posts that BEG to be treated as they deserve (which you will have noticed is being done to your infantile posts even as we 'speak').
The new ball's in your court, JamesX.
EC.
.
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
About HALF a SENTENCE worth of CONTENT packed into FOUR PARAGRAPHS, complete with stylish SCHNEIBCLONE CAPITALIZATION technique
RC.
.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
JamesDweeb. I am an IDIOT, heh? Ignorance is bliss for us IDIOTS, heh, JamesDweeb
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Hello JamesDweeb!
Naughty naughty, JamesDweeb.
Your mother blah blah
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
It's more plausible than your PHYSICS, heh JamesDweeb?
Besides, "FOXX" is only the 'phantom controversy' front man for cronies like you, who actually do the spamming/scamming linking to those 'front' sites for terrorists and con-men using the 'sucker click' traffic you and your oh-too-stupid-to-be-genuine runningmates have tried to send their way at every opportunity.
What's the matter, our warnings to Physorg members/visitors having a detrimental effect on your 'paycheck', JamesDweeb (or should that be shill, because, according to FOXX's definition, that's ALL you've been doing here...for it certainly isn't PHYSICS). Too bad. So sorry. Boohoohoo...
RC.
.
LMAO yeah, that's the one. It gets better every time you tell it.
So which one of you foil hats uncovered this dastardly spam gang first?
And how is the investigation going?
How's the PHYSICS going, mate?
Prove me wrong by posting some consistent physics argument in support of you BEING here at ALL, heh?
Otherwise, what are you DOING here except supporting the spam/scam sites your mates direct 'sucker click' traffic to.
Prove you are NOT involved with "FOXX"s phantom controvery crowd, by posting some CONSISTENT PHYSICS ARGUMENT in support of even ONE physical phenomenon/observation related to 9/11 events from plane impacts that you have GENUINE questions about. If you can manage that, all here, including myself, will have reason to allay our suspicions and listen to what you have to say...but ONLY if you stop your infantile posts that BEG to be treated as they deserve (which you will have noticed is being done to your infantile posts even as we 'speak').
The new ball's in your court, JamesX.
EC.
.
Mate, your fairy tale was shown to be an impossibility back on page one and none of your efforts to prop it up have warranted more than a chuckle or two. On the other hand, your kook nutter delusions about Foxx's nefarious activities are pure comedy gold. I'm afraid you're in no position to challenge anyone else's intelligence, mate. And judging from your swift descent into Schneibsterian paranoia, you might want to do yourself a favor and seek psychological counseling ASAP.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 04:02 AM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 03:48 AM)
QUOTE (Common Sense+Feb 26 2006, 03:37 AM)
QUOTE
1) identify themselves
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| 1) identify themselves |
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
QUOTE
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
QUOTE (Common Sense+Feb 26 2006, 04:57 AM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 04:43 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 03:03 AM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 25 2006, 03:50 PM)
.........
...........
...........and where are their fluid hydrodynamical calculations that show how a squib, consisting of both air and powder/particulates could possibly travel downwards so many floors, and then outwards. Did the particles "tunnel" through all the air in between? Methinks not, nor any other plausible scenario, but perhaps a fluid hydrodynamical simulation will prove me wrong. So, where is it?............
..............
Hi metamars!
If you have any understanding of 'convection' processes you will KNOW that during AN HOUR of raging fires on many levels THROUGH WHICH 'SHAFTS/PLENUMS' which existed BY DESIGN or had been BLOWN 'OPEN' by plane impact and JETFUEL-AIR WHCH ALSO WERE 'BLAST-DRIVEN' ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BASEMENT and would have opened MANY 'egress' points at MANY levels, the WHOLE BUILDING WOULD HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY SUFFUSED WITH SMOKE/PARTICULATES FROM IMPACT AND FIRES. So any LATER 'collapse front' pressurisation of each 'pancaking' floor space would INEVITABLYproduce SOME random escapes of that ALREADY DISTRIBUTED 'CONVECTED' DUST/SMOKE through wherever any 'openings' exist in the perimeter wall 'tube'. Or is that too difficult to envisage for you?
...........
...........and where are their fluid hydrodynamical calculations that show how a squib, consisting of both air and powder/particulates could possibly travel downwards so many floors, and then outwards. Did the particles "tunnel" through all the air in between? Methinks not, nor any other plausible scenario, but perhaps a fluid hydrodynamical simulation will prove me wrong. So, where is it?............
..............
Hi metamars!
If you have any understanding of 'convection' processes you will KNOW that during AN HOUR of raging fires on many levels THROUGH WHICH 'SHAFTS/PLENUMS' which existed BY DESIGN or had been BLOWN 'OPEN' by plane impact and JETFUEL-AIR WHCH ALSO WERE 'BLAST-DRIVEN' ALL THE WAY DOWN TO THE BASEMENT and would have opened MANY 'egress' points at MANY levels, the WHOLE BUILDING WOULD HAVE BEEN THOROUGHLY SUFFUSED WITH SMOKE/PARTICULATES FROM IMPACT AND FIRES. So any LATER 'collapse front' pressurisation of each 'pancaking' floor space would INEVITABLYproduce SOME random escapes of that ALREADY DISTRIBUTED 'CONVECTED' DUST/SMOKE through wherever any 'openings' exist in the perimeter wall 'tube'. Or is that too difficult to envisage for you?
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 02:29 AM)
QUOTE (Common Sense+Feb 26 2006, 01:39 AM)
I urge every "Scholar" who believe in CD to publish your papers in a peer reviewed Structural Engineering journal. You have no excuse. It's been 4 years now.
Should we publish before or after we get our hands on all the evidence that NIST had in its hands? After all, it's been 4 years, now. They certainly don't need the evidence anymore, since (according to most of you guys, apparently) their work is done.
Are you now implying that idiot Hoffman and his idiot echo Jones were UNPROFESSIONAL and even WRONG to pretend to PROPERLY 'analyse' and 'treat' the 9/11 events without all the evidence? Gee, I wonder if (aprt from Hoffman's 'disappearing energy' blunder; and Jones' following him blindly in that blunder) THAT's why they both are a laughing stock?
BTW...met, I haven't seen your response to my suggestion that the 'disappearing' or 'pulverised' so-called 'spire' might also be explained by the 'shutter speed' of the video camera NOT capturing enough sequential images. That is, one 'frame' shows the 'spire' but the NEXT frame is not exposed soon enough to capture a 'spire' being WHIPPED DOWN/ASIDE at high velocity by that nearby FAST TOPPLING column whipping the 'spires' support structure down when it 'hit' below camera shot. Anything comment on that? Cheers!
RC.
.
You seem to be pretending that Hoffman and Jones had a choice in the matter, and that if any evidence was to be used in a court case, chain of custody issues could be ignored and Jones and Hoffman could have a free run at the evidence, anyway.
Are you?
Your slanderous remarks about them being "idiots" deserves little comments from me, except to say 1) look at Jones resume and Hoffman's accomplishments and 2) how does your resume stack up in comparison?
Besides technical accomplishments, need I add that most people would find that their communication skills far surpass yours? Or do you think that a "stream of consciousness" style of writing is suitable for a scientist, on a physics forum?
As for your comments about "convection processes", etc.,
1) I frankly haven't followed the discussion much about "jetfuel-air being blast-driven down to the basement", partly because I find it very implausible, and partly because the "basement explosions" (if that's what they were) don't interest me all that much, unless it can be convincingly shown to have had something to do with the buildings' destruction, one way or the other (i.e., CD or FEMA Fairy Tale)
2) even if we grant such a scenario, I fail to see how this would explain how the pulverized dust would blow through the window, from the very onset of it's destruction, so many stories below a hypothetical pile driver, at a perpendiclar angle from the elevator shafts, no less. Even charitably working within the limits of your "flowingly written", qualitative scenario, you still haven't convincingly explained, even by way of a mediocre analogy, how dust could be projected so far from the source - except to say that Dust/Smoke from the 1 hour "raging" fire "thoroughly suffused" through the "whole building".
Ah-h-h-h-h, perhaps you find this verbal picture convincing, but I certainly don't. If there was this large amount of ash lying around, should not a noticeable amount of it have been seen coming from the gaping holes, left by the jets, well before collapse ensued? You know, blown about by a gust of wind, that sort of thing?
To me, the answer is obvious, which raises the question as to why you would even present such a poor idea. As a minor detail, OK, but as a primary factor??
Well, who am I to question your intellect? Anybody who would refer to both Hoffman and Jones as "idiots" is surely a much smarter person than I could ever hope to be.
3) the more doubtful a qualitative argument, such as yours, the greater the need to make it quantitative, to possibly rescue it. In a sense, the only point you demonstrated with your post is the desirability of a fluid hydrodynamic + FEA analysis. If you intended to demonstrate why such is not necessary, then from my point of view, anyway, you have failed completely.
As for the spire collapse, I myself raised the issue about limits following from frames per second considerations. However, I may have posted this at AH, not here. Frankly, I don't remember which.
I like the disingenuous way you always slap the hand of people who fight back yet never slap the hand of people like JamesX or Foxx for that matter. The people who start the nonsense.
Please stop pretending to be holier than thou. Scientist don't use the word "Fairy tale" to describe a competing view.
You are quite right, that scientists don't (normally) refer to competing theories as Fairy Tales. However, I have never stated, or pretended, that I am a scientist. I have a degree in physics and mathematics, and therefore have good insight into how a scientist thinks.
I may be going to graduate school for at least a master's degree in physics, so this situation may change. Perhaps then I will substitute the less provocative phrase "unlikely hypothesis" for "Fairy Tale".
In the meantime, I will stick with "Fairy Tale", since that's what it is. Believe it or not, I really do think that this is far less insulting than calling you and other popes "idiots" - something I have no intention of doing.
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Should we publish before or after we get our hands on all the evidence that NIST had in its hands? After all, it's been 4 years, now. They certainly don't need the evidence anymore, since (according to most of you guys, apparently) their work is done.
Are you now implying that idiot Hoffman and his idiot echo Jones were UNPROFESSIONAL and even WRONG to pretend to PROPERLY 'analyse' and 'treat' the 9/11 events without all the evidence? Gee, I wonder if (aprt from Hoffman's 'disappearing energy' blunder; and Jones' following him blindly in that blunder) THAT's why they both are a laughing stock?
BTW...met, I haven't seen your response to my suggestion that the 'disappearing' or 'pulverised' so-called 'spire' might also be explained by the 'shutter speed' of the video camera NOT capturing enough sequential images. That is, one 'frame' shows the 'spire' but the NEXT frame is not exposed soon enough to capture a 'spire' being WHIPPED DOWN/ASIDE at high velocity by that nearby FAST TOPPLING column whipping the 'spires' support structure down when it 'hit' below camera shot. Anything comment on that? Cheers!
RC.
.
You seem to be pretending that Hoffman and Jones had a choice in the matter, and that if any evidence was to be used in a court case, chain of custody issues could be ignored and Jones and Hoffman could have a free run at the evidence, anyway.
Are you?
Your slanderous remarks about them being "idiots" deserves little comments from me, except to say 1) look at Jones resume and Hoffman's accomplishments and 2) how does your resume stack up in comparison?
Besides technical accomplishments, need I add that most people would find that their communication skills far surpass yours? Or do you think that a "stream of consciousness" style of writing is suitable for a scientist, on a physics forum?
As for your comments about "convection processes", etc.,
1) I frankly haven't followed the discussion much about "jetfuel-air being blast-driven down to the basement", partly because I find it very implausible, and partly because the "basement explosions" (if that's what they were) don't interest me all that much, unless it can be convincingly shown to have had something to do with the buildings' destruction, one way or the other (i.e., CD or FEMA Fairy Tale)
2) even if we grant such a scenario, I fail to see how this would explain how the pulverized dust would blow through the window, from the very onset of it's destruction, so many stories below a hypothetical pile driver, at a perpendiclar angle from the elevator shafts, no less. Even charitably working within the limits of your "flowingly written", qualitative scenario, you still haven't convincingly explained, even by way of a mediocre analogy, how dust could be projected so far from the source - except to say that Dust/Smoke from the 1 hour "raging" fire "thoroughly suffused" through the "whole building".
Ah-h-h-h-h, perhaps you find this verbal picture convincing, but I certainly don't. If there was this large amount of ash lying around, should not a noticeable amount of it have been seen coming from the gaping holes, left by the jets, well before collapse ensued? You know, blown about by a gust of wind, that sort of thing?
To me, the answer is obvious, which raises the question as to why you would even present such a poor idea. As a minor detail, OK, but as a primary factor??
Well, who am I to question your intellect? Anybody who would refer to both Hoffman and Jones as "idiots" is surely a much smarter person than I could ever hope to be.
3) the more doubtful a qualitative argument, such as yours, the greater the need to make it quantitative, to possibly rescue it. In a sense, the only point you demonstrated with your post is the desirability of a fluid hydrodynamic + FEA analysis. If you intended to demonstrate why such is not necessary, then from my point of view, anyway, you have failed completely.
As for the spire collapse, I myself raised the issue about limits following from frames per second considerations. However, I may have posted this at AH, not here. Frankly, I don't remember which.
I like the disingenuous way you always slap the hand of people who fight back yet never slap the hand of people like JamesX or Foxx for that matter. The people who start the nonsense.
Please stop pretending to be holier than thou. Scientist don't use the word "Fairy tale" to describe a competing view.
You are quite right, that scientists don't (normally) refer to competing theories as Fairy Tales. However, I have never stated, or pretended, that I am a scientist. I have a degree in physics and mathematics, and therefore have good insight into how a scientist thinks.
I may be going to graduate school for at least a master's degree in physics, so this situation may change. Perhaps then I will substitute the less provocative phrase "unlikely hypothesis" for "Fairy Tale".
In the meantime, I will stick with "Fairy Tale", since that's what it is. Believe it or not, I really do think that this is far less insulting than calling you and other popes "idiots" - something I have no intention of doing.
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 08:12 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 04:02 AM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 03:48 AM)
QUOTE (Common Sense+Feb 26 2006, 03:37 AM)
QUOTE
1) identify themselves
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| 1) identify themselves |
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
QUOTE
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 03:01 AM)
Too bad you can't answer Foxx's question.
Which Foxx question?
The original "The Towers fell with little to NO resistance" Foxx
or
The modified, "They fell slower than the debris since the towers were crushing the intact lower levels" Foxx
or the newly minted
Thermobaric Foxx, "Hey, that ReasonWhy figured it out, what DID cause the towers to MELT? (see pictures on my website),
"Why won't you answer me???'
(Ok, I double dare you (see pictures on my website))"
Its truly Pathetic.
He calls himself Foxx, but it should be Weasel.
Arthur
Which Foxx question?
The original "The Towers fell with little to NO resistance" Foxx
or
The modified, "They fell slower than the debris since the towers were crushing the intact lower levels" Foxx
or the newly minted
Thermobaric Foxx, "Hey, that ReasonWhy figured it out, what DID cause the towers to MELT? (see pictures on my website),
"Why won't you answer me???'
(Ok, I double dare you (see pictures on my website))"
Its truly Pathetic.
He calls himself Foxx, but it should be Weasel.
Arthur
QUOTE (frater plecticus+Feb 25 2006, 06:24 PM)
"COMBINATION OF FACTORS have NEVER HAPPENED BEFORE"... except twice (+one) times that day....
Yeah,
The towers were built the same and there were two fairly identical planes that ran into them at roughly the same speed which yielded similar, though not identical results.
The other tower failed in a completely different fashion, but its CIRCUMSTANCES were ALSO unique.
So its STRANGE that UNIQUE circomstances yield UNIQUE results?
Dare I say it?
Nah, its early.
Arthur
Yeah,
The towers were built the same and there were two fairly identical planes that ran into them at roughly the same speed which yielded similar, though not identical results.
The other tower failed in a completely different fashion, but its CIRCUMSTANCES were ALSO unique.
So its STRANGE that UNIQUE circomstances yield UNIQUE results?
Dare I say it?
Nah, its early.
Arthur
QUOTE
jack(x) said:
I don't want to read too much into your wacky ramblings, Artie, but it sounds a bit as if you're hot on the trail of Foxx's spam gang, too. Did you catch the "cash-for-clicks" paranoia bug from Schneiby or vice versa? Are all of you guys posting from the same psych ward?
Moron
I don't want to read too much into your wacky ramblings, Artie, but it sounds a bit as if you're hot on the trail of Foxx's spam gang, too. Did you catch the "cash-for-clicks" paranoia bug from Schneiby or vice versa? Are all of you guys posting from the same psych ward?
Hows your crack whore mother james?
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
That's because the big lie is from the conspiracy theorist and not the NIST. It's lunacy to suggest hundreds of scientist are in on the largest mass murder in US history.
And yet much, much smaller conspiracies where American's never even died have been uncovered by whistleblowers who were happy to take whatever job loss or persecution in the name of justice. After 4 years not one has come out supporting the official CT lunacy. OOPS! I forgot, their isn't an official CT story because they can't even come together on the fantacy! Heh!
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"? Even in the Sopranos you have "Rats" Heh!
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
That's because the big lie is from the conspiracy theorist and not the NIST. It's lunacy to suggest hundreds of scientist are in on the largest mass murder in US history.
QUOTE
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely.
And yet much, much smaller conspiracies where American's never even died have been uncovered by whistleblowers who were happy to take whatever job loss or persecution in the name of justice. After 4 years not one has come out supporting the official CT lunacy. OOPS! I forgot, their isn't an official CT story because they can't even come together on the fantacy! Heh!
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"? Even in the Sopranos you have "Rats" Heh!
James,
Do you have a PURPOSE for being here?
I've just reviewed your 83 posts and besides a FIXATION on Schneibster that then went off on a punctuation tangent and has now morphed into a Paranoia about people not "clicking on CT links" (wonder why?), you have posted essentially NOTHING about the WTC issue itself and NO PHYSICS what so ever.
So again, what brings you to a PHYSICS site?
For those who think I exaggerate here is the sum TOTAL of JamesX (aka Dweeb) postings since he joined.
PS it doesn't matter that I don't include what he's referring to, they are all essentially mindless anyway.
That's an opinion. I don't think you know anything about how scientist think. That's also an opinion. And they are like a$$holes. Everyone has one.
That's an opinion. I don't think you know anything about how scientist think. That's also an opinion. And they are like a$$holes. Everyone has one.
I may be going to graduate school for at least a master's degree in physics, so this situation may change. Perhaps then I will substitute the less provocative phrase "unlikely hypothesis" for "Fairy Tale".
This has been my suspestion all along. Almost all the Hoffman, Jones minions are school age children who look up to their professors like glassy eyed children look at their parents. Professors can't do no wrong can they. The government must be the bad guy or their world view falls apart. Mommy, daddy and the teacher are pure huh...
I guess you want RC to continue to take abuse quitely while jack(x) continues to degrade and disrespect him. Where I come from you get what you give. If I was to stay quite while I was growing up in NY I would have been beaten daily like a rug in the desert.
You can't show weakness to these punks. If you do they smell it and things only get worse.
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
The committee found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it, was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy. The committee's finding that President Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy was premised on four factors:
(1) Since the Warren Commission's and FBI's investigation into the possibility of a conspiracy was seriously flawed, their failure to develop evidence of a conspiracy could not be given independent weight.
(2) The Warren Commission was, in fact, incorrect in concluding that Oswald and Ruby had no significant associations, and therefore its finding of no conspiracy was not reliable.
(3) While it cannot be inferred from the significant associations of Oswald and Ruby that any of the major groups examined by the committee were involved in the assassination, a more limited conspiracy could not be ruled out.
(4) There was a high probability that a second gunman, in fact, fired at the President. At the same time, the committee candidly stated, in expressing it finding of conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination, that it was "unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
** See justacitizen.com and libertycoalition.net
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
The committee found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it, was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy. The committee's finding that President Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy was premised on four factors:
(1) Since the Warren Commission's and FBI's investigation into the possibility of a conspiracy was seriously flawed, their failure to develop evidence of a conspiracy could not be given independent weight.
(2) The Warren Commission was, in fact, incorrect in concluding that Oswald and Ruby had no significant associations, and therefore its finding of no conspiracy was not reliable.
(3) While it cannot be inferred from the significant associations of Oswald and Ruby that any of the major groups examined by the committee were involved in the assassination, a more limited conspiracy could not be ruled out.
(4) There was a high probability that a second gunman, in fact, fired at the President. At the same time, the committee candidly stated, in expressing it finding of conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination, that it was "unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
** See justacitizen.com and libertycoalition.net
Sibel Edmonds is my point. People have come out all over the place for less.
An uninformed JQ public means nothing to me. At one time JQ public thought slavery was a good thing.
Again, this is what happens in a REAL coverup. People like the ones below start jumping ship...
Thomas Packard acting FBI director: Summer before 9/11 Ashcroft told him he didn’t want to hear anything more about terrorist threats.
Larry Johnson former counter terrorism CIA: Rumsfeld set up special office to link Iraq and Al Qaeda Cherry picking Intel: Evidence is sent back saying “That’s garbage, that’s misleading, that misrepresents” then they would take the same brief to the vice president or one even worse.
Robert Baer: Cheney pushed CIA, Cheney said “Everybody knows Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, tell us what you know, What’s your best stuff?..”
Downing Street Memo says Bush wanted to remove Saddam though military action. “Evidence fixed around the policy”
Rice, Rove, Karen Hughes, Cheney have weekly closed door meetings on how to convince the american people.
John McLaughlin CIA deputy director: “We did not clear that particular [Niger] speech”… Tenets “Slam dunk” does not mean what the media thinks it means.
Michael Scheuer: Intel did not matter. We were going to war / Tenet researched 10 years worth of documents and found no connection to Al Qaeda. Tenet tells Bush / Administration yet administration continues to suggest connection.
Who is ‘Joe T’ and why was he the point man for analyzing nuclear weapon intel.
Gregory Thielmann State Dept intelligence: More and more people said intel on tubes were no good for a nuclear weapon. Official leak saying “Mushroom Cloud” misrepresents the intelligence community disagreement. Administration continues “No doubt” he has WMD. Tenet defends erroneous evidence while others in the CIA voice doubts. State department issues strong and lengthy decent. Niger uranium purchase “Highly Dubious”
Rand Baers National Security Council Resigns white house post and works against Bush “This is not peculiar of this white house. Pick a policy, go to the
Intelligence agencies, get your talking points”
CIA intel notes critical gaps in the evidence because of questionable reliability of many sources,
For the first time before a modern war Bush did not ask for National Intelligence Estimate. Congress demands it. NIE said Saddam not a threat.
White house Iraq group gives only evidence which supports policy while down playing decent.
Last minute dispute over Niger speech.
Tenet and Powell argue about intel.
Carl Ford Asst Sec of State, Intelligence: “This is all we got? And were making these firm judgments?
Powell not told about Curveball. Curveball was never debriefed by the CIA.
Col. Laurence Wilkerson: Evidence brought to the UN “It was anything but an intelligence document. It was a Chinese menu where you can pick and choose what you want”
A day before Powell’s UN speech a CIA skeptic had warned Curve Ball is a lair. A superior sends an E-mail reply saying “This wars going to happen regardless, the powers that be probably aren’t interested whither Curve ball knows what hes talking about.”
Powell’s speech riddled with misleading allegations. Not right out lies but worded in such a way as to mislead.
Scott Ritter ex UNSCUM weapon inspector: The evidence for war is not there. He goes on just about every TV station trying to stop the war.
Richard Clarke: Bush wanted to connect Iraq and 9/11.
Gen Clark: People in the pentagon told him Bush was going to war no matter what.
New memo: A memo of a two-hour meeting between the two leaders at the White House on January 31 2003 - nearly two months before the invasion - reveals that Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second UN resolution and even if UN inspectors found no evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme.
"The diplomatic strategy had to be arranged around the military planning", the president told Mr Blair. The prime minister is said to have raised no objection. He is quoted as saying he was "solidly with the president and ready to do whatever it took to disarm Saddam".
The disclosures come in a new edition of Lawless World, by Phillipe Sands, a QC and professor of international law at University College, London. Professor Sands last year exposed the doubts shared by Foreign Office lawyers about the legality of the invasion in disclosures which eventually forced the prime minister to publish the full legal advice given to him by the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith.
The memo seen by Prof Sands reveals:
• Mr Bush told Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against Saddam that it thought of "flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours". Mr Bush added: "If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach [of UN resolutions]".
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Why don't you focus on this?
PS Don't act like JQ public didn't have "Deep Throat" and Woodward and Burnstin before the they got up in arms about watergate. Also don't act like there were more than just a few involved in the cover up. You're just making my point. Even that few people couldn't keep it a secret long.



Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers



Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
Watch this video from a slightly different angle. The area the sparks are concentrated initiate the collapse of the exterior columns.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75...=9%2F11+footage



Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
Also, RC...
Further, it is also clear from the video around the 01:00 minute mark that the drips falling from the melting area are white hot... which gives an indication from the chart above that the temperature of these drips was in the range of 1000 - 1200 C ... far beyond the temperatures at which aluminum or plastics melt at. This is all simple scientific deduction & logic --- something which is exposed in your writings that you are sadly lacking.

Hello Foxx.
As to my qualifications as a scientist, you will already know my life situation both personally and occupationally...or have you conveniently forgotten my past posts on that subject? So please don't get on your high horse if YOU cannot match my experience in real science/problemsolving/troubleshooting in all areas of science/industry/commerce (instead of spending my life in UFO/CT/political/mercenary/religious/paranoid wild-goose chases, like some here).
And as your extensive experience/expertise in building construction has not quite gelled for you, the 'ceiling' membrane/structure of one story is usually (surprise surprise) the 'floor' of the story immediately above. You would have seen that from an earlier post in which this was pointed out. But I guess you missed it in your hurry to grasp at anything now. Consider: are the floor perimeters there 'damaged' and disconnected/separated somewhat by FIRE/IMPACT from the perimeter walls? Any REASONABLE and experienced scientist would immediately realise (using Occam's Razor) that there would be 'gaps' through which accumulated' embers/molten plastics/alumuminium (and 'billiant-white' Calcium Compounds from the 'fire calcined' concrete-floor/drywall-partitions) would 'cascade' through that 'floor' edge and onto the story below. I notice that there was plenty of time, office/plane/fixture&fittings, and hot, widespread burning of same to produce all those things by the time of local collapse. And as pointed out to you earlier, when a collection of fine/liquid burning materials is entrained in a 'carrier fluid' (in this case gases/air), it will FLOW and CASCADE exactly like you see there. Just as a 'real' (and not just a "Hoffman' type) pyroclastic cloud/stream can FLOW and CASCADE, heh?
So Foxx, just what is so hard to understand about all that burning debris/embers etc being SHIFTED and disturbed by the FAILING, buckling/distorting/shifting floor-trusses and outer perimeter columns; such that there will occur random 'fuid-like' cascades of glowing/flowing burning and 'molten' debris just before local collapse? Any fireman will fill you in on anything obvious that you may have missed in your vast experience to date. Moreover, if anyone here has ever shovelled glowing ash and embers from a deep 'pile' of embers (after a celebration bonfire perhaps), they will immediately know that there is hardly any 'weight' involved. And also that the 'movement' of the still glowing/burning bed of ashes/embers resembles a 'fluid mass'...mainly because the hot gases STILL BEING PRODUCED from the surfaces of even 'slowed' combustion both partially suspend and 'lubricate' the lightweight ash/embers just like in a 'flowing' pyroclastic cloud.
Now, as to the 'colour spectrum' presented by the burning/glowing embers/concrete dust etc. Tell me Foxx, are you familiar with those good nifty Camping Lanterns which burn KEROSENE (or other sufficiently convenient, hot-burn fuels) to heat that surrounding 'mantle' material so that it 're-radiats' and GLOWS with a clean WHITE light?
So unless you know the exact composition of that ember/ash/molten 'cascade' from the floor above (which would be the 'ceiling' of the floor below, remember?), Occam's Razor DEMANDS that one FIRST considers the OBVIOUS MIX of materials and their respective 'spectrum' output upon high-heating, before going into fantasyland for the 'exotic'....that is, you WOULD, unless you are a self-professed NON-scientist, UFO/CTer-cum-paranoid political/religious/mercenary type of observer.
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Now Foxx, I have been reasonable in reply to your disparaging post. MOREOVER, the 'justification' and explanation' traffic seems to be directed only ONE WAY by you and your cohort of even less-scientific/impartial 'supporters/associates' (can't you have a word with the most useless among them? They do nothing AT ALL for your cause or for whatever level of respect you may still command here).
You will agree, I hope, that ALL the assertions AGAINST Occam's Razor are being presented in the FIRST instance by YOU and yours ever since you came to PhysorgForums. I and others at PhysorgForums have presented reasonable Occam's Razor observations/hypotheses in reply which have YET to be seriously challenged, let alone refuted, by ANY physics/proof in support of your ANTI-Occam's Razor 'exotic' assertions.
In short, you have had long enough, and been tolerated sufficiently, to have had the opportunity MORE THAN ONCE for 'your side' of the 'debate' to present your DEFINITIVE 'killer' Physics explanations/proofs in support of your 'exotic' assertions. Where ARE these 'killer' explanations from YOUR side for YOUR assertions? As everyone here can now see for themselves (especially of late), all at Physorg have used more than enough Basic Physics (both theoretical and practical/applied) to easily 'falsify' ALL the (knowing/unknowing) lies and ignorant misunderstandings, assertions and pseudo-science so far put by your 'side'.
How about NOW doing what I suggested earlier...
Forget the politics/religion/mercenary sidetracking and just get together with your UFO/CT etc. mates, and put together a logically/scientifically coherent (and preferably, relevant) categorised presentation of whatever 'assertions' you have to make (again, preferably excluding those which have already been soundly and scientifically 'falsified'), and then we can work more 'cleanly' and efficiently through whatever you have left. We will again present Occam's Razor and cut through the BS, while you again try to stem the tide of OBVIOUS 'explanations' which will occur to even the youngest science/physicist/chemistry student here at PhyorgForums. How's that? Fair? Go to it, mate...and good luck!
Cheers all!
RC.
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Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
Watch this video from a slightly different angle. The area the sparks are concentrated initiate the collapse of the exterior columns.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75...=9%2F11+footage
Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
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Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
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did YOU ever think it's the other way around? of course not, as your 'reality' filter would not allow.
there can be only one! (explanation)
i must admit, you do impressive backflips.
Do you have a PURPOSE for being here?
I've just reviewed your 83 posts and besides a FIXATION on Schneibster that then went off on a punctuation tangent and has now morphed into a Paranoia about people not "clicking on CT links" (wonder why?), you have posted essentially NOTHING about the WTC issue itself and NO PHYSICS what so ever.
So again, what brings you to a PHYSICS site?
For those who think I exaggerate here is the sum TOTAL of JamesX (aka Dweeb) postings since he joined.
PS it doesn't matter that I don't include what he's referring to, they are all essentially mindless anyway.
QUOTE (JamesX+)
I don't want to read too much into your wacky ramblings, Artie, but it sounds a bit as if you're hot on the trail of Foxx's spam gang, too. Did you catch the "cash-for-clicks" paranoia bug from Schneiby or vice versa? Are all of you guys posting from the same psych ward?
Mate, your fairy tale was shown to be an impossibility back on page one and none of your efforts to prop it up have warranted more than a chuckle or two. On the other hand, your kook nutter delusions about Foxx's nefarious activities are pure comedy gold. I'm afraid you're in no position to challenge anyone else's intelligence, mate. And judging from your swift descent into Schneibsterian paranoia, you might want to do yourself a favor and seek psychological counseling ASAP.
LMAO yeah, that's the one. It gets better every time you tell it.
So which one of you foil hats uncovered this dastardly spam gang first?
And how is the investigation going?
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
Repeat yourself much, spammer?
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
Nice capitalization, technique!
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
LOL really? Since when?
I'm not implying anything. Your molten telephone story is as idiotic as your name.
Oh, the hilarity. Too bad you can't answer Foxx's question.
That's a nice story. Too bad you can't answer Foxx's question.
How's that investigation going, Schnoob?
Have you caught the spammers yet?
Len, have you read this thread? Rodriguez' testimony is in no way inconsistent with any number of controlled demolition scenarios. This has already been discussed in this thread. If you haven't read it you might do the rest of us a courtesy and do so, so as not to keep repeating and rehashing.
Len, please accept my apologies. I re-read your post and indeed you wrote that you've researched this topic for "countless hours" - not years. Big difference. Sorry about that.
The 'plural' would be referring to two of Rodriguez' former co-workers (WTC maintenance workers) who share his views on the towers' destruction.
Len, I thought you said you've been researching this for years? And you've never heard of William Rodriguez? He was honored as a national hero for his resue efforts on September 11. He worked in the towers for 18 years and he and several of his former co-workers are convinced that the buildings were brought down with explosives. Last I heard he was suing the Bush administration.
If you need proof that he exists, try a search engine.
Uh oh, now he's more than one person AT THE SAME TIME
LMAO... I knew it was the fatass psychotic schizoid Schnoob!
Can't stay away from the fire that burned you, huh?
Seen 'Sane Engineer' or 'Candy' around lately?
How's the lawsuit going, buddy?
Hurry now, don't be late for your pyrotechnics tour!
Beat it, punk.
Indeed, you are mistaken. There's at least several WTC survivors that I know of who don't believe in the "buildings just fell down" fairy tale, most notably the person who is believed to be the last one to exit the North Tower alive, after re-entering the building three times to rescue others. Look it up, and while you're at it maybe do a little research before you make your next proclamation.
And you never even get a day off...
Type, Arthur, type! Faster!
LMAO That's fu<king rich...
You're sick, Schneib. Get help.
Sorry, SchNOOB. You registered here on October 13 after this thread was brought to your attention. Find one longtime regular physorg poster to vouch for your activity on this board before your thorough discrediting on this thread and I'll... well, it's not going to happen, so nevermind.
Oooh, a "physorg regular" with no name... very impressive.
NEXT!
Awww now you're trying to build up some cred on other threads in the forum! That's adorable, Schnooby. Does it make you feel better after being so thoroughly and utterly discredited that you can't post on this thread while logged in? Foxx demolished you, you revealed yourself to be a psychotic kook and now all you can do is post nasty anonymous messages from the sidelines.
Hey, "Common Sense" did it, why not "Sane" "Engineer"?
You might want to develop a more distinctive style for this one before registering, though.
Wow, you found another "guest" who shares your opinion. Good work!
Sane" is a real stretch, too.
You're not an engineer and you're not fooling anyone, Schnoob.
Foxx demolished you. You're afraid to even log in here now.
Why not log in?
So how is the lawsuit coming along?
You're not fooling anyone, Schnoob.
What's the matter, Schnooby? Did your internet lawyer inform you that you are full of sh1t? Are you too embarassed to post as da real Schnoob these days? But you can't stay away, so we get spammed by lots of crappy 'guest' posts... your nastiness is so easy to recognize.
How's the lawsuit going?
How's the lawsuit going?
Uh oh, da Schnoob is freaking out again!
You mean right about when you, er, Schnozz first showed up? Agreed.
Good call.
Schnozz is very lucky to have such an adroit and timely entertainment industry insider such as yourself (who also knows a thing or two about IPs!) leaping to his semantic defense on a physics board. Thanks for sharing, Candy!
Why, thanks Schn.. er, Candy... for dropping by to provide such valuable insight from your industry. In Shillster's now-deleted pyschotic screed he threatened to "find you and axe you". Do you use the term like that in your industry as well?
Keep on wigglin', big boy. You may be a miserable failure at disinfo buy you're a priceless comedy goldmine. Cheers
Be sure to tell your internet lawyer all about the death threats you've been making... sport.
Heh!
I don't buy it.
PS: Break out some more of those videos. Don't be stingy.
Schnenster,
I never said anything about your wife's race. My comment was based on the fact that she looks scared of you in your wedding pictures and I can't imagine anyone marrying you unless there was some sort of financial arrangement or other material benefit. I'm not "caucasian" myself so I don't know how I'm supposed to interpret your comments about "the right race".
If you don't like insults maybe you should have considered that when you wrote your first post on this thread. Or any point along the way.
You can dish it out but you sure can't take it, ya big crybaby.
And I'm glad to see that you admitted to being a sociopathic sockpuppeteering fraud.
Oh cool, the repeating game. I can play that too.
Like I said, you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to associations, old schizoid. Here you are constantly whining about Rove and Bush and "da real conspiracies" but every day you work in concert with a Diebold employee to obfuscate the truth. You are shameless scum. Now shut up and go cry into one of your plush toys and try not to have a another heart attack.
Btw, we've got cable internet at the compound - no need to "go back" anywhere.
You don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to associations, old buddy. Here you are constantly whining about Rove and Bush and "da real conspiracies" but every day you work in concert with a Diebold employee to obfuscate the truth. You are shameless scum. Now shut up and go cry into one of your plush toys and try not to have a another heart attack.
I don't know, you might get lonely. Just you, the mail-order bride, a bunch of stuffed animals and your multiple personalities.
You might want to keep your options open.
Talking to yourself again, buddy?
All you've got left are photos and videos that support the case for controlled demolition.
Thanks, got any more?
You're losing it, Schneib.
It's nice to see that you use the same moronic un-logic no matter what topic you address. Are you accusing Schnensible of trying frame da real Schneib? If not, your argument makes exactly zero sense. Hardly surprising coming from a professional (if mediocre) obfuscator.
I'm making an honest observation and I think it's relevant. Having read all of this thread, it's plainly obvious that Schneibster is fu<king around with multiple IDs. He's made several blatant slip ups with his log-ins and can't seem to keep his personas separate stylistically, either. This multiple personality game along with his namecalling and attempts to dehumanize his opponents by referring to them as "it" suggests that we may be dealing with a seriously disturbed individual here.
No, I've been reading the thread over the past month. I think you're a fraud.
Nope, not Foxx. Just someone who's read this whole thread and can see what you're doing here
Schnensable sez
the best explaination I heard so far is Schneibster's.
LMAO
Schneib, if you're going to post as "Sensable" please try to remember to throw in lots of random spelling errors.
It's so much more convincing that way...
Mate, your fairy tale was shown to be an impossibility back on page one and none of your efforts to prop it up have warranted more than a chuckle or two. On the other hand, your kook nutter delusions about Foxx's nefarious activities are pure comedy gold. I'm afraid you're in no position to challenge anyone else's intelligence, mate. And judging from your swift descent into Schneibsterian paranoia, you might want to do yourself a favor and seek psychological counseling ASAP.
LMAO yeah, that's the one. It gets better every time you tell it.
So which one of you foil hats uncovered this dastardly spam gang first?
And how is the investigation going?
That's almost as fascinating as your story about Foxx making millions off of tricking people into clicking his links.
Repeat yourself much, spammer?
So what you're trying to say is you're an idiot who never tires of making an a$$ of itself on public forums?
Fair enough, I guess.
Sorry, the ability to randomly capitalize words still doesn't make you a scientist.
But thanks for the laughs.
Nice capitalization, technique!
That's some impressive credentials.
Did they teach you how to capitalize VERY IMPORTANT WORDS in SCIENCE SCHOOL?
LOL really? Since when?
I'm not implying anything. Your molten telephone story is as idiotic as your name.
Oh, the hilarity. Too bad you can't answer Foxx's question.
That's a nice story. Too bad you can't answer Foxx's question.
How's that investigation going, Schnoob?
Have you caught the spammers yet?
Len, have you read this thread? Rodriguez' testimony is in no way inconsistent with any number of controlled demolition scenarios. This has already been discussed in this thread. If you haven't read it you might do the rest of us a courtesy and do so, so as not to keep repeating and rehashing.
Len, please accept my apologies. I re-read your post and indeed you wrote that you've researched this topic for "countless hours" - not years. Big difference. Sorry about that.
The 'plural' would be referring to two of Rodriguez' former co-workers (WTC maintenance workers) who share his views on the towers' destruction.
Len, I thought you said you've been researching this for years? And you've never heard of William Rodriguez? He was honored as a national hero for his resue efforts on September 11. He worked in the towers for 18 years and he and several of his former co-workers are convinced that the buildings were brought down with explosives. Last I heard he was suing the Bush administration.
If you need proof that he exists, try a search engine.
Uh oh, now he's more than one person AT THE SAME TIME
LMAO... I knew it was the fatass psychotic schizoid Schnoob!
Can't stay away from the fire that burned you, huh?
Seen 'Sane Engineer' or 'Candy' around lately?
How's the lawsuit going, buddy?
Hurry now, don't be late for your pyrotechnics tour!
Beat it, punk.
Indeed, you are mistaken. There's at least several WTC survivors that I know of who don't believe in the "buildings just fell down" fairy tale, most notably the person who is believed to be the last one to exit the North Tower alive, after re-entering the building three times to rescue others. Look it up, and while you're at it maybe do a little research before you make your next proclamation.
And you never even get a day off...
Type, Arthur, type! Faster!
LMAO That's fu<king rich...
You're sick, Schneib. Get help.
Sorry, SchNOOB. You registered here on October 13 after this thread was brought to your attention. Find one longtime regular physorg poster to vouch for your activity on this board before your thorough discrediting on this thread and I'll... well, it's not going to happen, so nevermind.
Oooh, a "physorg regular" with no name... very impressive.
NEXT!
Awww now you're trying to build up some cred on other threads in the forum! That's adorable, Schnooby. Does it make you feel better after being so thoroughly and utterly discredited that you can't post on this thread while logged in? Foxx demolished you, you revealed yourself to be a psychotic kook and now all you can do is post nasty anonymous messages from the sidelines.
Hey, "Common Sense" did it, why not "Sane" "Engineer"?
You might want to develop a more distinctive style for this one before registering, though.
Wow, you found another "guest" who shares your opinion. Good work!
Sane" is a real stretch, too.
You're not an engineer and you're not fooling anyone, Schnoob.
Foxx demolished you. You're afraid to even log in here now.
Why not log in?
So how is the lawsuit coming along?
You're not fooling anyone, Schnoob.
What's the matter, Schnooby? Did your internet lawyer inform you that you are full of sh1t? Are you too embarassed to post as da real Schnoob these days? But you can't stay away, so we get spammed by lots of crappy 'guest' posts... your nastiness is so easy to recognize.
How's the lawsuit going?
How's the lawsuit going?
Uh oh, da Schnoob is freaking out again!
You mean right about when you, er, Schnozz first showed up? Agreed.
Good call.
Schnozz is very lucky to have such an adroit and timely entertainment industry insider such as yourself (who also knows a thing or two about IPs!) leaping to his semantic defense on a physics board. Thanks for sharing, Candy!
Why, thanks Schn.. er, Candy... for dropping by to provide such valuable insight from your industry. In Shillster's now-deleted pyschotic screed he threatened to "find you and axe you". Do you use the term like that in your industry as well?
Keep on wigglin', big boy. You may be a miserable failure at disinfo buy you're a priceless comedy goldmine. Cheers
Be sure to tell your internet lawyer all about the death threats you've been making... sport.
Heh!
I don't buy it.
PS: Break out some more of those videos. Don't be stingy.
Schnenster,
I never said anything about your wife's race. My comment was based on the fact that she looks scared of you in your wedding pictures and I can't imagine anyone marrying you unless there was some sort of financial arrangement or other material benefit. I'm not "caucasian" myself so I don't know how I'm supposed to interpret your comments about "the right race".
If you don't like insults maybe you should have considered that when you wrote your first post on this thread. Or any point along the way.
You can dish it out but you sure can't take it, ya big crybaby.
And I'm glad to see that you admitted to being a sociopathic sockpuppeteering fraud.
Oh cool, the repeating game. I can play that too.
Like I said, you don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to associations, old schizoid. Here you are constantly whining about Rove and Bush and "da real conspiracies" but every day you work in concert with a Diebold employee to obfuscate the truth. You are shameless scum. Now shut up and go cry into one of your plush toys and try not to have a another heart attack.
Btw, we've got cable internet at the compound - no need to "go back" anywhere.
You don't have a leg to stand on when it comes to associations, old buddy. Here you are constantly whining about Rove and Bush and "da real conspiracies" but every day you work in concert with a Diebold employee to obfuscate the truth. You are shameless scum. Now shut up and go cry into one of your plush toys and try not to have a another heart attack.
I don't know, you might get lonely. Just you, the mail-order bride, a bunch of stuffed animals and your multiple personalities.
You might want to keep your options open.
Talking to yourself again, buddy?
All you've got left are photos and videos that support the case for controlled demolition.
Thanks, got any more?
You're losing it, Schneib.
It's nice to see that you use the same moronic un-logic no matter what topic you address. Are you accusing Schnensible of trying frame da real Schneib? If not, your argument makes exactly zero sense. Hardly surprising coming from a professional (if mediocre) obfuscator.
I'm making an honest observation and I think it's relevant. Having read all of this thread, it's plainly obvious that Schneibster is fu<king around with multiple IDs. He's made several blatant slip ups with his log-ins and can't seem to keep his personas separate stylistically, either. This multiple personality game along with his namecalling and attempts to dehumanize his opponents by referring to them as "it" suggests that we may be dealing with a seriously disturbed individual here.
No, I've been reading the thread over the past month. I think you're a fraud.
Nope, not Foxx. Just someone who's read this whole thread and can see what you're doing here
Schnensable sez
QUOTE
the best explaination I heard so far is Schneibster's.
LMAO
Schneib, if you're going to post as "Sensable" please try to remember to throw in lots of random spelling errors.
It's so much more convincing that way...
Less and less people believe in your foil hat fantasy every day.

QUOTE
You are quite right, that scientists don't (normally) refer to competing theories as Fairy Tales. However, I have never stated, or pretended, that I am a scientist. I have a degree in physics and mathematics, and therefore have good insight into how a scientist thinks.
That's an opinion. I don't think you know anything about how scientist think. That's also an opinion. And they are like a$$holes. Everyone has one.
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| QUOTE |
| You are quite right, that scientists don't (normally) refer to competing theories as Fairy Tales. However, I have never stated, or pretended, that I am a scientist. I have a degree in physics and mathematics, and therefore have good insight into how a scientist thinks. |
That's an opinion. I don't think you know anything about how scientist think. That's also an opinion. And they are like a$$holes. Everyone has one.
I may be going to graduate school for at least a master's degree in physics, so this situation may change. Perhaps then I will substitute the less provocative phrase "unlikely hypothesis" for "Fairy Tale".
This has been my suspestion all along. Almost all the Hoffman, Jones minions are school age children who look up to their professors like glassy eyed children look at their parents. Professors can't do no wrong can they. The government must be the bad guy or their world view falls apart. Mommy, daddy and the teacher are pure huh...
I guess you want RC to continue to take abuse quitely while jack(x) continues to degrade and disrespect him. Where I come from you get what you give. If I was to stay quite while I was growing up in NY I would have been beaten daily like a rug in the desert.
You can't show weakness to these punks. If you do they smell it and things only get worse.
All you show is weakness, all day long. You're a raging nutter who thinks Foxx is out to steal your soul by posting urls...
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 03:30 PM)
All you show is weakness, all day long. You're a raging nutter who thinks Foxx is out to steal his soul by posting urls...
And you show what an A$$ you are because I'm not the one saying that. IDIOT
And you show what an A$$ you are because I'm not the one saying that. IDIOT
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 04:03 PM)
conspiracy kookwagon
Actually, you conspiracy idiots piled into your internet clown car and spilled out here. But you can call it a "kookwagon" sinse it also applies.
Actually, you conspiracy idiots piled into your internet clown car and spilled out here. But you can call it a "kookwagon" sinse it also applies.
QUOTE (JamesX+Feb 26 2006, 04:03 PM)
Artie, I appreciate the free publicity but you didn't answer my question. Have you hopped on Schnooby-Doo's "clicks-for-cash" conspiracy kookwagon, too? I can understand if you're squeamish about coming right out and aligning yourself so closely with that type of mental illness in public. But if you really want to keep it hidden you shouldn't be dropping hints like that.
Why do you only come here on the weekends? Does your mother let you use the live cam comuter on the weekends?
Why do you only come here on the weekends? Does your mother let you use the live cam comuter on the weekends?
QUOTE (adoucette+Feb 26 2006, 01:26 PM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 08:12 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 04:02 AM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 03:48 AM)
QUOTE (Common Sense+Feb 26 2006, 03:37 AM)
QUOTE
1) identify themselves
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| 1) identify themselves |
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
QUOTE
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found |
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
The committee found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it, was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy. The committee's finding that President Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy was premised on four factors:
(1) Since the Warren Commission's and FBI's investigation into the possibility of a conspiracy was seriously flawed, their failure to develop evidence of a conspiracy could not be given independent weight.
(2) The Warren Commission was, in fact, incorrect in concluding that Oswald and Ruby had no significant associations, and therefore its finding of no conspiracy was not reliable.
(3) While it cannot be inferred from the significant associations of Oswald and Ruby that any of the major groups examined by the committee were involved in the assassination, a more limited conspiracy could not be ruled out.
(4) There was a high probability that a second gunman, in fact, fired at the President. At the same time, the committee candidly stated, in expressing it finding of conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination, that it was "unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
** See justacitizen.com and libertycoalition.net
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 06:22 PM)
QUOTE (adoucette+Feb 26 2006, 01:26 PM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 08:12 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 04:02 AM)
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 03:48 AM)
QUOTE (Common Sense+Feb 26 2006, 03:37 AM)
QUOTE
1) identify themselves
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| 1) identify themselves |
Why? To have a bunch of paranoid nutcases harass them and their family? They don't have to "in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper."
2) explain to us why we should call their statement anything other than a lie, in light of all the evidence articulated in Professor Jones' paper.
Because Jone's paper hasn't passed peer review for some very good reasons discussed in this thread. Because for 400 pages on this thread people like Schneibster and RC proved him wrong. Because Jones LIES about the context of the quotes in his paper.
Since I don't presume you were involved in inserting the "NO EVIDENCE" lie into the NIST report, I don't presume that you should speak for them.
Getting harassed is a real concern, on both sides of the issue. But my point was more rhetorical - to show clearly how conflating the parties guilty of inserting such nonsense into the report in no way implies that everybody in NIST who had anything to do with the report was "in on it" , is absurd.
Met, are you implying that all those who were NOT 'in', the alleged NIST conspiracy, have NOT read the report they contributed to, and are NOT aware of how their work/words have been 'allegedly twisted' by 'filters' higher up? Or that THEY ARE ALL COWARDS who would out of fear etc. protect an alleged murdering administration responsible for 9/11? You seem to have little faith in the existence of at least ONE GOOD PERSON amongst all those who 'weren't 'in' on it.
Especially since MANY of those contributors would have already had GUT FEELING and PAPER AND PENCIL etc. EDUCATED estimates/guesses as to what those simulations/experiments SHOULD SHOW in view of their OWN 'professional experience'.
RC.
.
I certainly am implying that anybody in NIST who contributed to the report in any way, read if afterwards, including and especially the lie
QUOTE
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
NO EVIDENCE for a controlled demolition was found |
and either already was or subsequently became aware of all the evidence for CD, has indeed chosen to keep their mouth shut about the subject. Certainly, I don't know of any such NIST employee who has publicly contradicted the "big lie". Do you?
As to why this should be the case, fear of job loss and persecution by the government are certainly plausible suggestions, and strike me as the most likely. It's certainly not hard to draw the conclusion that CD implies an inside job, and this (especially in light of all the other evidence pointing to government complicity) implies that agents within the US government were the ultimate perpetrators. Such an obvious chain of logic is sure to give many people pause.
Wassa matta wit you? Don't you watch "the Sopranos"?
Certainly, these strike me as much better hypotheses than shyness or indifference, e.g..
The VERY FACT that we have been posting material on the subject for 6 months shows the fallacy of this logic. Posters to this forum are multi-national. Posters to this forum can be totally anonymous.
Then there are people like Griffin, making money off speeches at every ultra liberal college in the country.
As does Scholars for9-11. Where people are signing their names and affiliations.
You too young to remember W&B and Deep Throat????
Even before the Internet there's ways to make the TRUTH public.
So given ALL this, what's keeping all those Scientists who don't agree with the NIST report from funneling damning info to those on the front line of the CD theory?
NADA
NOTHING
ZIP
ZILCH
The last bastion of your weak argument is that the people that investigated it know its a lie but are afraid to speak.
Yet PEOPLE ARE SPEAKING OPENLY ABOUT IT.
They make T-Shirts, Web-Sites, books and movies and sell the friggin things.
Its become a whole cottage industry.
Your argument has no merit.
Arthur
Actually, it has a lot of merit. Also, you failed to distinguish between John Q. Public, and those who are "supposed" to toe the line, like FEMA, NIST, NORAD, FAA, and Air Force employees. Especially, in the case of the last 3, those who were on duty the morning of 9/11 and had access to relevant information.
You can't seriously maintain that the public testimony of a whistle-blower is not worth a lot more than that of John Q. Public, do you? If John Q. Public has no relevant expertise, there is absolutely no doubt about the answer. When John Q. Public has a Ph.D. in civil engineering or physics, then the question can become debatable. Once you concede this, it's not hard to figure that there's even more pressure on these select individuals to keep their mouths shut.
And as for your fantasy of the downside of being a whistle-blower being "ZILCH", if that were the case, why is there a push for legislation to protest whistle-blowers like Sibel Edmonds? **
I don't have the references handy, but if you look at all the potential witnesses in the JFK assassination who died under mysterious circumstances both in the period directly after the assassination, as well as potential witnesses who similarly died in the period leading up to and during the work of the House Select Committee on Assassinations*, it's quite clear that getting whacked is a real possibility, and furthermore, you don't have to be a Federal employee to get hit.
Furthermore, I have already, on this thread, mentioned that Beverly Harris had to go outside the country to get a scientist with the requisite credentials who would publicly conclude that there was significant vote fraud, effected by rigged machines (don't remember the exact language). This is for a phenomena that didn't involve the mass murder of American citizens, and thus the assumption that one wasn't necessarily crossing murderers is a reasonable one.
Thus it is your argument that has no merit, based on a fanciful picture of human nature, and a completely unrealistic one regarding the corruption of the US government. This combination - Americans with no backbones, and an American government with no soul - is flirting with WW3, and fascism and totalitarianism at home.
Feel good about your propagandistic postings?
* You remember the House Select Committee on Assassinations, don't you? These were the Congressional Conspiracy Theorists who said
http://www.archives.gov/research/jfk/selec...rt/part-1c.html
The committee found that, to be precise and loyal to the facts it established, it, was compelled to find that President Kennedy was probably killed as a result of a conspiracy. The committee's finding that President Kennedy was probably assassinated as a result of a conspiracy was premised on four factors:
(1) Since the Warren Commission's and FBI's investigation into the possibility of a conspiracy was seriously flawed, their failure to develop evidence of a conspiracy could not be given independent weight.
(2) The Warren Commission was, in fact, incorrect in concluding that Oswald and Ruby had no significant associations, and therefore its finding of no conspiracy was not reliable.
(3) While it cannot be inferred from the significant associations of Oswald and Ruby that any of the major groups examined by the committee were involved in the assassination, a more limited conspiracy could not be ruled out.
(4) There was a high probability that a second gunman, in fact, fired at the President. At the same time, the committee candidly stated, in expressing it finding of conspiracy in the Kennedy assassination, that it was "unable to identify the other gunman or the extent of the conspiracy.
** See justacitizen.com and libertycoalition.net
Sibel Edmonds is my point. People have come out all over the place for less.
An uninformed JQ public means nothing to me. At one time JQ public thought slavery was a good thing.
Again, this is what happens in a REAL coverup. People like the ones below start jumping ship...
Thomas Packard acting FBI director: Summer before 9/11 Ashcroft told him he didn’t want to hear anything more about terrorist threats.
Larry Johnson former counter terrorism CIA: Rumsfeld set up special office to link Iraq and Al Qaeda Cherry picking Intel: Evidence is sent back saying “That’s garbage, that’s misleading, that misrepresents” then they would take the same brief to the vice president or one even worse.
Robert Baer: Cheney pushed CIA, Cheney said “Everybody knows Saddam has weapons of mass destruction, tell us what you know, What’s your best stuff?..”
Downing Street Memo says Bush wanted to remove Saddam though military action. “Evidence fixed around the policy”
Rice, Rove, Karen Hughes, Cheney have weekly closed door meetings on how to convince the american people.
John McLaughlin CIA deputy director: “We did not clear that particular [Niger] speech”… Tenets “Slam dunk” does not mean what the media thinks it means.
Michael Scheuer: Intel did not matter. We were going to war / Tenet researched 10 years worth of documents and found no connection to Al Qaeda. Tenet tells Bush / Administration yet administration continues to suggest connection.
Who is ‘Joe T’ and why was he the point man for analyzing nuclear weapon intel.
Gregory Thielmann State Dept intelligence: More and more people said intel on tubes were no good for a nuclear weapon. Official leak saying “Mushroom Cloud” misrepresents the intelligence community disagreement. Administration continues “No doubt” he has WMD. Tenet defends erroneous evidence while others in the CIA voice doubts. State department issues strong and lengthy decent. Niger uranium purchase “Highly Dubious”
Rand Baers National Security Council Resigns white house post and works against Bush “This is not peculiar of this white house. Pick a policy, go to the
Intelligence agencies, get your talking points”
CIA intel notes critical gaps in the evidence because of questionable reliability of many sources,
For the first time before a modern war Bush did not ask for National Intelligence Estimate. Congress demands it. NIE said Saddam not a threat.
White house Iraq group gives only evidence which supports policy while down playing decent.
Last minute dispute over Niger speech.
Tenet and Powell argue about intel.
Carl Ford Asst Sec of State, Intelligence: “This is all we got? And were making these firm judgments?
Powell not told about Curveball. Curveball was never debriefed by the CIA.
Col. Laurence Wilkerson: Evidence brought to the UN “It was anything but an intelligence document. It was a Chinese menu where you can pick and choose what you want”
A day before Powell’s UN speech a CIA skeptic had warned Curve Ball is a lair. A superior sends an E-mail reply saying “This wars going to happen regardless, the powers that be probably aren’t interested whither Curve ball knows what hes talking about.”
Powell’s speech riddled with misleading allegations. Not right out lies but worded in such a way as to mislead.
Scott Ritter ex UNSCUM weapon inspector: The evidence for war is not there. He goes on just about every TV station trying to stop the war.
Richard Clarke: Bush wanted to connect Iraq and 9/11.
Gen Clark: People in the pentagon told him Bush was going to war no matter what.
New memo: A memo of a two-hour meeting between the two leaders at the White House on January 31 2003 - nearly two months before the invasion - reveals that Mr Bush made it clear the US intended to invade whether or not there was a second UN resolution and even if UN inspectors found no evidence of a banned Iraqi weapons programme.
"The diplomatic strategy had to be arranged around the military planning", the president told Mr Blair. The prime minister is said to have raised no objection. He is quoted as saying he was "solidly with the president and ready to do whatever it took to disarm Saddam".
The disclosures come in a new edition of Lawless World, by Phillipe Sands, a QC and professor of international law at University College, London. Professor Sands last year exposed the doubts shared by Foreign Office lawyers about the legality of the invasion in disclosures which eventually forced the prime minister to publish the full legal advice given to him by the attorney general, Lord Goldsmith.
The memo seen by Prof Sands reveals:
• Mr Bush told Mr Blair that the US was so worried about the failure to find hard evidence against Saddam that it thought of "flying U2 reconnaissance aircraft planes with fighter cover over Iraq, painted in UN colours". Mr Bush added: "If Saddam fired on them, he would be in breach [of UN resolutions]".
___________________________
Why don't you focus on this?
PS Don't act like JQ public didn't have "Deep Throat" and Woodward and Burnstin before the they got up in arms about watergate. Also don't act like there were more than just a few involved in the cover up. You're just making my point. Even that few people couldn't keep it a secret long.
Regarding whistle-blowers, the following was posted today at 911blogger.com. No, I have no idea whether "Norton Peabody" is a real person or not, and I'm sure that his post was not verified:
My cousin is a structural engineer with the firm that built #7 and close to retirement. I asked him about his take on it and collapse of #7.
His words-
"I don't want to discuss this with you or anyone, ever. I have a family to think about, you jerk, and what's done is done. I don't ever want to discuss this with you again."
That might explain a little bit the reticence of those who ought to be "crawling out of the woodwork" to expose this.
They're scared to death.
Norton Peabody | 02.26.06 - 9:46 am | #
QUOTE
My cousin is a structural engineer with the firm that built #7 and close to retirement. I asked him about his take on it and collapse of #7.
His words-
"I don't want to discuss this with you or anyone, ever. I have a family to think about, you jerk, and what's done is done. I don't ever want to discuss this with you again."
That might explain a little bit the reticence of those who ought to be "crawling out of the woodwork" to expose this.
They're scared to death.
Norton Peabody | 02.26.06 - 9:46 am | #
QUOTE (metamars+Feb 26 2006, 06:59 PM)
Regarding whistle-blowers, the following was posted today at 911blogger.com. No, I have no idea whether "Norton Peabody" is a real person or not, and I'm sure that his post was not verified:
My cousin is a structural engineer with the firm that built #7 and close to retirement. I asked him about his take on it and collapse of #7.
His words-
"I don't want to discuss this with you or anyone, ever. I have a family to think about, you jerk, and what's done is done. I don't ever want to discuss this with you again."
That might explain a little bit the reticence of those who ought to be "crawling out of the woodwork" to expose this.
They're scared to death.
Norton Peabody | 02.26.06 - 9:46 am | #
I know you are desperate to latch on to anything which supports your claims but come on... A third party internet forum member? Is any evidence which supports your case not scrutinized?
He sounds eerily like the guy who said he was Paul Isaaic..
QUOTE
My cousin is a structural engineer with the firm that built #7 and close to retirement. I asked him about his take on it and collapse of #7.
His words-
"I don't want to discuss this with you or anyone, ever. I have a family to think about, you jerk, and what's done is done. I don't ever want to discuss this with you again."
That might explain a little bit the reticence of those who ought to be "crawling out of the woodwork" to expose this.
They're scared to death.
Norton Peabody | 02.26.06 - 9:46 am | #
I know you are desperate to latch on to anything which supports your claims but come on... A third party internet forum member? Is any evidence which supports your case not scrutinized?
He sounds eerily like the guy who said he was Paul Isaaic..



QUOTE
by RC
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
QUOTE (Foxx+Feb 26 2006, 12:04 PM)



QUOTE
by RC
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
Watch this video from a slightly different angle. The area the sparks are concentrated initiate the collapse of the exterior columns.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75...=9%2F11+footage
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Also, RC...
Further, it is also clear from the video around the 01:00 minute mark that the drips falling from the melting area are white hot... which gives an indication from the chart above that the temperature of these drips was in the range of 1000 - 1200 C ... far beyond the temperatures at which aluminum or plastics melt at. This is all simple scientific deduction & logic --- something which is exposed in your writings that you are sadly lacking.

Further, it is also clear from the video around the 01:00 minute mark that the drips falling from the melting area are white hot... which gives an indication from the chart above that the temperature of these drips was in the range of 1000 - 1200 C ... far beyond the temperatures at which aluminum or plastics melt at. This is all simple scientific deduction & logic --- something which is exposed in your writings that you are sadly lacking.

QUOTE (brian+Feb 26 2006, 09:09 PM)
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!
Can anyone identify these buildings?
Are they the same building?
http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/jpg/Plate8.JPG

Arthur
Are they the same building?
http://home.debitel.net/user/andreas.bunkahle/jpg/Plate8.JPG
Arthur
QUOTE (Foxx+Feb 26 2006, 08:04 PM)



QUOTE
by RC
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| by RC Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they? |
Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
Also, RC...
Further, it is also clear from the video around the 01:00 minute mark that the drips falling from the melting area are white hot... which gives an indication from the chart above that the temperature of these drips was in the range of 1000 - 1200 C ... far beyond the temperatures at which aluminum or plastics melt at. This is all simple scientific deduction & logic --- something which is exposed in your writings that you are sadly lacking.

Hello Foxx.
As to my qualifications as a scientist, you will already know my life situation both personally and occupationally...or have you conveniently forgotten my past posts on that subject? So please don't get on your high horse if YOU cannot match my experience in real science/problemsolving/troubleshooting in all areas of science/industry/commerce (instead of spending my life in UFO/CT/political/mercenary/religious/paranoid wild-goose chases, like some here).
And as your extensive experience/expertise in building construction has not quite gelled for you, the 'ceiling' membrane/structure of one story is usually (surprise surprise) the 'floor' of the story immediately above. You would have seen that from an earlier post in which this was pointed out. But I guess you missed it in your hurry to grasp at anything now. Consider: are the floor perimeters there 'damaged' and disconnected/separated somewhat by FIRE/IMPACT from the perimeter walls? Any REASONABLE and experienced scientist would immediately realise (using Occam's Razor) that there would be 'gaps' through which accumulated' embers/molten plastics/alumuminium (and 'billiant-white' Calcium Compounds from the 'fire calcined' concrete-floor/drywall-partitions) would 'cascade' through that 'floor' edge and onto the story below. I notice that there was plenty of time, office/plane/fixture&fittings, and hot, widespread burning of same to produce all those things by the time of local collapse. And as pointed out to you earlier, when a collection of fine/liquid burning materials is entrained in a 'carrier fluid' (in this case gases/air), it will FLOW and CASCADE exactly like you see there. Just as a 'real' (and not just a "Hoffman' type) pyroclastic cloud/stream can FLOW and CASCADE, heh?
So Foxx, just what is so hard to understand about all that burning debris/embers etc being SHIFTED and disturbed by the FAILING, buckling/distorting/shifting floor-trusses and outer perimeter columns; such that there will occur random 'fuid-like' cascades of glowing/flowing burning and 'molten' debris just before local collapse? Any fireman will fill you in on anything obvious that you may have missed in your vast experience to date. Moreover, if anyone here has ever shovelled glowing ash and embers from a deep 'pile' of embers (after a celebration bonfire perhaps), they will immediately know that there is hardly any 'weight' involved. And also that the 'movement' of the still glowing/burning bed of ashes/embers resembles a 'fluid mass'...mainly because the hot gases STILL BEING PRODUCED from the surfaces of even 'slowed' combustion both partially suspend and 'lubricate' the lightweight ash/embers just like in a 'flowing' pyroclastic cloud.
Now, as to the 'colour spectrum' presented by the burning/glowing embers/concrete dust etc. Tell me Foxx, are you familiar with those good nifty Camping Lanterns which burn KEROSENE (or other sufficiently convenient, hot-burn fuels) to heat that surrounding 'mantle' material so that it 're-radiats' and GLOWS with a clean WHITE light?
So unless you know the exact composition of that ember/ash/molten 'cascade' from the floor above (which would be the 'ceiling' of the floor below, remember?), Occam's Razor DEMANDS that one FIRST considers the OBVIOUS MIX of materials and their respective 'spectrum' output upon high-heating, before going into fantasyland for the 'exotic'....that is, you WOULD, unless you are a self-professed NON-scientist, UFO/CTer-cum-paranoid political/religious/mercenary type of observer.
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Now Foxx, I have been reasonable in reply to your disparaging post. MOREOVER, the 'justification' and explanation' traffic seems to be directed only ONE WAY by you and your cohort of even less-scientific/impartial 'supporters/associates' (can't you have a word with the most useless among them? They do nothing AT ALL for your cause or for whatever level of respect you may still command here).
You will agree, I hope, that ALL the assertions AGAINST Occam's Razor are being presented in the FIRST instance by YOU and yours ever since you came to PhysorgForums. I and others at PhysorgForums have presented reasonable Occam's Razor observations/hypotheses in reply which have YET to be seriously challenged, let alone refuted, by ANY physics/proof in support of your ANTI-Occam's Razor 'exotic' assertions.
In short, you have had long enough, and been tolerated sufficiently, to have had the opportunity MORE THAN ONCE for 'your side' of the 'debate' to present your DEFINITIVE 'killer' Physics explanations/proofs in support of your 'exotic' assertions. Where ARE these 'killer' explanations from YOUR side for YOUR assertions? As everyone here can now see for themselves (especially of late), all at Physorg have used more than enough Basic Physics (both theoretical and practical/applied) to easily 'falsify' ALL the (knowing/unknowing) lies and ignorant misunderstandings, assertions and pseudo-science so far put by your 'side'.
How about NOW doing what I suggested earlier...
Forget the politics/religion/mercenary sidetracking and just get together with your UFO/CT etc. mates, and put together a logically/scientifically coherent (and preferably, relevant) categorised presentation of whatever 'assertions' you have to make (again, preferably excluding those which have already been soundly and scientifically 'falsified'), and then we can work more 'cleanly' and efficiently through whatever you have left. We will again present Occam's Razor and cut through the BS, while you again try to stem the tide of OBVIOUS 'explanations' which will occur to even the youngest science/physicist/chemistry student here at PhyorgForums. How's that? Fair? Go to it, mate...and good luck!
Cheers all!
RC.
.
Hi metamars!
I read your recent posts re NIST 'whistleblowers' (or the lack of same) in view of you alleging 'misrepresentaion' by 'official censors/twisters' of the final report.
Are you implying that, since you agree that not all scientists contributing to the report are 'in on the coverup', that all those scientists are afraid to speak up because of 'self-interest' which over-rides their duty and conscience regarding such an alleged coverup of mass murder?
Do you ACCUSE a large number of UNKNOWN and/or UN-NAMED 'john doe/jane doe' scientific contributors to the NIST report, of knowingly and selfishly, by their continuing supposed 'silence' about a supposed 'misrepresentation' of their contributions/conclusions, of aiding and abetting murderers after the fact, and so perverting the course of justice, by WITHHOLDING supposed 'evidence' of a cover up of a mass murder?
Just want to get you straight, mate. Cheers!
RC.
.
I read your recent posts re NIST 'whistleblowers' (or the lack of same) in view of you alleging 'misrepresentaion' by 'official censors/twisters' of the final report.
Are you implying that, since you agree that not all scientists contributing to the report are 'in on the coverup', that all those scientists are afraid to speak up because of 'self-interest' which over-rides their duty and conscience regarding such an alleged coverup of mass murder?
Do you ACCUSE a large number of UNKNOWN and/or UN-NAMED 'john doe/jane doe' scientific contributors to the NIST report, of knowingly and selfishly, by their continuing supposed 'silence' about a supposed 'misrepresentation' of their contributions/conclusions, of aiding and abetting murderers after the fact, and so perverting the course of justice, by WITHHOLDING supposed 'evidence' of a cover up of a mass murder?
Just want to get you straight, mate. Cheers!
RC.
.
QUOTE (reasonwhy+Feb 26 2006, 08:55 PM)
QUOTE (Foxx+Feb 26 2006, 12:04 PM)



QUOTE
by RC
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Have you ever seen a 'cascade' of GLOWING EMBERS ? Being as how they are 'suspended/entrained' in a hot fluid (air/gases) 'carrier' that FLOWS like a 'molten stream' it WOULD LOOK LIKE a molten cascade, wouldn't it? And if one had actually melting window aluminium and office furniture/machine plastics entrained with those embers, they TOO would FLOW, wouldn't they?
Aussie-american clone, you often make claims that you are a 'scientist'. Please explain to us your scientific qualifications and area of expertise,...
or would you rather hide behind the vague proclamation that you are just a 'generic scientist' ? Frankly, I find it very difficult to believe that you have any scientific background in view of your writings such as the above posted nonsense.
You make no specific scientific claims in the above, and your words are couched in obfuscation. You ask if I have ever seen a cascade of glowing embers. Yes, often...
usually associated with metal cutting operations (which the above pictures clearly resemble).
Your next statement that the 'embers' appear to be to be a molten stream seems accurate enough, although I see no need for the language you have chosen to state that. You may impress children with your 'scientific-sounding' assembly of words, but I am not impressed at all, and find your particular assemblage representative of someone who has no scientific background at all, but wishes to appear as if they do.
Your third statement that molten aluminum or plastics might be the source readily exposes your lack of knowledge in the fields of science (especially related to metallurgy and more importantly simple logic).
Computers were not suspended from the ceiling, and it is plain to see from the pictures that the source of these molten embers were falling from the ceiling of that particular storey.
The source of the molten metal is also clearly from inside the building and it is quite obvious they are not coming from the aluminum facade panels... so what are you suggesting would be the source of the aluminum... bits of the plane?
If so, you again exhibit your lack of knowledge and logic. Notice the color of the molten 'flowing embers'...this tells us a lot about what could be melting in the video...
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-2...raplanet+9%2F11
It is quite apparent that the color of this burning/melting material is a reddish-orange leaning towards yellow to white in appearance. The color is distinctly more yellow that the flames from burning office furnishings which can be seen at the corner of the building. This gives us a clue to its composition.
Aluminum melts at ~ 660 deg C ( 1220 F). It never reaches the color (shown in the video) before melting. Here is a chart which gives temperature color indicators for heat affected metals. It is quite clear from this chart that what we are seeing as molten material is clearly NOT aluminum.

So, (once again) it is clearly shown that you are not being 'scientific' at all in your above statements.
Cheers
Watch this video from a slightly different angle. The area the sparks are concentrated initiate the collapse of the exterior columns.
http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=75...=9%2F11+footage
Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
.
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QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 11:59 PM)
Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
.
did YOU ever think it's the other way around? of course not, as your 'reality' filter would not allow.
there can be only one! (explanation)
i must admit, you do impressive backflips.
QUOTE (brian+Feb 26 2006, 09:09 PM)
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Ahhh, brian. Well, we all now know where your expertise lay: Irrelevance. It's becoming an art form with you, isn't it? Will you compete for your country (poor nation) in the 'Incompetency Olympics'?
Still shilling for griffin and the terrorist money-making sites, I see. You have no conscience when it comes to making a buck, obviously.
Still sad, incompetent brian.
RC.
.
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Ahhh, brian. Well, we all now know where your expertise lay: Irrelevance. It's becoming an art form with you, isn't it? Will you compete for your country (poor nation) in the 'Incompetency Olympics'?
Still shilling for griffin and the terrorist money-making sites, I see. You have no conscience when it comes to making a buck, obviously.
Still sad, incompetent brian.
RC.
.
QUOTE (newton+Feb 26 2006, 10:16 PM)
QUOTE (brian+Feb 26 2006, 09:09 PM)
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!
Again does one useless idiot (newton) use for 'foundation arguments' the empty soundings of another useless idiot (brian).
Oh, the Irony...Oh, the Humanity!
RC.
.
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!
Again does one useless idiot (newton) use for 'foundation arguments' the empty soundings of another useless idiot (brian).
Oh, the Irony...Oh, the Humanity!
RC.
.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 27 2006, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE (brian+Feb 26 2006, 09:09 PM)
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Ahhh, brian. Well, we all now know where your expertise lay: Irrelevance. It's becoming an art form with you, isn't it? Will you compete for your country (poor nation) in the 'Incompetency Olympics'?
Still shilling for griffin and the terrorist money-making sites, I see. You have no conscience when it coms to making a buck, I see.
Still sad, incompetent brian.
RC.
.
geez, for a guy who's not that interested in american politics, you sure do seem to spend ALL OF YOUR TIME trying to defend the official FAIRY TALE(thank you, lon, for the signifigant REALITY(formerly known as physics) argument).
Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
.
did YOU ever think it's the other way around? of course not, as your 'reality' filter would not allow.
there can be only one! (explanation)
i must admit, you do impressive backflips.
Backflips????
Ignorant idiot (yes newton, you're witty but ignorant and witless with it), have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?
This demands that one first considers the obvious explanation. In this case, as you would have seen from my above response to Foxx's question, the obvious explanation is that it is a cascade of embers/glowing dust etc from the floor/ceiling structure between the two levels affected.
And that that cascade was probably due to movement preceding imminent failure of the floor/wall structures which moved to shift/eject that cascade. And that is exactly what I just re-iterated to reasonwhy. So no backflip, sorry.
Speaking of backflips, it's you clowns that specialise in that sort of thing....did you see Foxx's latest a few pages back. It was still somewhat entertaining, but it's getting monotonous, heh? Don't you clowns do anything else?
You obviously didn't understand that explanation in my post to Foxx, so you ignorantly accuse one of 'backflip' where there hasn't been one. hehehe.
Perfect 'newton' stupidity and witlessness while wittily driveling all over these PhysorgForum floors. Do another backflip for us, clown! Cheers!
RC.
.
Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
.
Of course it is possible. If you can give a good reason for what appears to be hot metal sparks near the ceiling of the building, I will reconsider my post. Your previous explanation only confirmed my suspicion you are not interested in the truth. The amount of anomalies makes even a conventional controlled demolition not seam possible.
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Ahhh, brian. Well, we all now know where your expertise lay: Irrelevance. It's becoming an art form with you, isn't it? Will you compete for your country (poor nation) in the 'Incompetency Olympics'?
Still shilling for griffin and the terrorist money-making sites, I see. You have no conscience when it coms to making a buck, I see.
Still sad, incompetent brian.
RC.
.
geez, for a guy who's not that interested in american politics, you sure do seem to spend ALL OF YOUR TIME trying to defend the official FAIRY TALE(thank you, lon, for the signifigant REALITY(formerly known as physics) argument).
The piston effect will happen in the collapse of WTC7 also. WTC7 collapsed from bottom to top for the most part. There will be a pressure buildup in the floors that haven't yet been destroyed as the collapse occurs. It's like a piston effectively moving from bottom to top. It may be even more pronounced in a bottom-to-top collapse since threre is solid ground at the bottom acting as the piston as opposed to a layer of debris falling from top to bottom as in WTC1 and WTC2.
I'd assume most of the windows of WTC7 were sealed as they were in WTC1 and WTC2. A buildup of pressure and jets out broken windows is not unusual.
The falling debris layer in WTC1 and WTC2 wasn't like solid like the ground as in WTC7 but there was enough material moving downward to create a piston effect. The way the dust spread outward at ground level at high speed at the end of the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 is a glaring example of the piston effect, not to mention some of the jets that were seen spraying out windows during the collapse.
It would be superfluous to blow up floors much higher than ground level in WTC7 anyway. The collapse started near ground level due to structural damage from the fall of WTC1 and fires that burned most of the day. Gravity did the work of the collapse. Demolition packs at higher levels would serve no purpose in a controlled demolition of WTC7.
I'd assume most of the windows of WTC7 were sealed as they were in WTC1 and WTC2. A buildup of pressure and jets out broken windows is not unusual.
The falling debris layer in WTC1 and WTC2 wasn't like solid like the ground as in WTC7 but there was enough material moving downward to create a piston effect. The way the dust spread outward at ground level at high speed at the end of the collapse of WTC1 and WTC2 is a glaring example of the piston effect, not to mention some of the jets that were seen spraying out windows during the collapse.
It would be superfluous to blow up floors much higher than ground level in WTC7 anyway. The collapse started near ground level due to structural damage from the fall of WTC1 and fires that burned most of the day. Gravity did the work of the collapse. Demolition packs at higher levels would serve no purpose in a controlled demolition of WTC7.
QUOTE (newton+Feb 27 2006, 12:06 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 11:59 PM)
Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
.
did YOU ever think it's the other way around? of course not, as your 'reality' filter would not allow.
there can be only one! (explanation)
i must admit, you do impressive backflips.
Backflips????
Ignorant idiot (yes newton, you're witty but ignorant and witless with it), have you ever heard of Occam's Razor?
This demands that one first considers the obvious explanation. In this case, as you would have seen from my above response to Foxx's question, the obvious explanation is that it is a cascade of embers/glowing dust etc from the floor/ceiling structure between the two levels affected.
And that that cascade was probably due to movement preceding imminent failure of the floor/wall structures which moved to shift/eject that cascade. And that is exactly what I just re-iterated to reasonwhy. So no backflip, sorry.
Speaking of backflips, it's you clowns that specialise in that sort of thing....did you see Foxx's latest a few pages back. It was still somewhat entertaining, but it's getting monotonous, heh? Don't you clowns do anything else?
You obviously didn't understand that explanation in my post to Foxx, so you ignorantly accuse one of 'backflip' where there hasn't been one. hehehe.
Perfect 'newton' stupidity and witlessness while wittily driveling all over these PhysorgForum floors. Do another backflip for us, clown! Cheers!
RC.
.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 26 2006, 03:59 PM)
Hi reasonwhy!
Could it be the other way round, do you think? That is, could it be that the last-minute re-adjustment/failing movements/vibrations etc. of the floor/wall structures be CAUSING the piles of ash/embers etc to shift and partially cascade out the gaps/windows from the floor/ceiling between the levels affected? Cheers!
RC.
.
Of course it is possible. If you can give a good reason for what appears to be hot metal sparks near the ceiling of the building, I will reconsider my post. Your previous explanation only confirmed my suspicion you are not interested in the truth. The amount of anomalies makes even a conventional controlled demolition not seam possible.
QUOTE (newton+Feb 27 2006, 12:17 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 27 2006, 12:08 AM)
QUOTE (brian+Feb 26 2006, 09:09 PM)
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Ahhh, brian. Well, we all now know where your expertise lay: Irrelevance. It's becoming an art form with you, isn't it? Will you compete for your country (poor nation) in the 'Incompetency Olympics'?
Still shilling for griffin and the terrorist money-making sites, I see. You have no conscience when it coms to making a buck, I see.
Still sad, incompetent brian.
RC.
.
geez, for a guy who's not that interested in american politics, you sure do seem to spend ALL OF YOUR TIME trying to defend the official FAIRY TALE(thank you, lon, for the signifigant REALITY(formerly known as physics) argument).
Well newton, you're not very good at driving the clown car, are you?
You obviously took a wrong turning. In case you hadn't noticed, this is a PHYSICS board and I was here long before your entertaining witless backflips ever showed up with the 'politics' and inanities.....but NO physics. Gee!
Can you look MORE the fool than you already do in that clown get-up and stumbling-tumbling, witless drivelling, repertoire? I hadn't thought you could, but you just proved me wrong...obviously, you CAN look even stupider than before. Amazing!
RC.
.
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
Ahhh, brian. Well, we all now know where your expertise lay: Irrelevance. It's becoming an art form with you, isn't it? Will you compete for your country (poor nation) in the 'Incompetency Olympics'?
Still shilling for griffin and the terrorist money-making sites, I see. You have no conscience when it coms to making a buck, I see.
Still sad, incompetent brian.
RC.
.
geez, for a guy who's not that interested in american politics, you sure do seem to spend ALL OF YOUR TIME trying to defend the official FAIRY TALE(thank you, lon, for the signifigant REALITY(formerly known as physics) argument).
Well newton, you're not very good at driving the clown car, are you?
You obviously took a wrong turning. In case you hadn't noticed, this is a PHYSICS board and I was here long before your entertaining witless backflips ever showed up with the 'politics' and inanities.....but NO physics. Gee!
Can you look MORE the fool than you already do in that clown get-up and stumbling-tumbling, witless drivelling, repertoire? I hadn't thought you could, but you just proved me wrong...obviously, you CAN look even stupider than before. Amazing!
RC.
.
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 27 2006, 12:13 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Feb 26 2006, 10:16 PM)
QUOTE (brian+Feb 26 2006, 09:09 PM)
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!
Again does one useless idiot (newton) use for 'foundation arguments' the empty soundings of another useless idiot (brian).
Oh, the Irony...Oh, the Humanity!
RC.
.
"lewis carroll, a non-euclidian mathematical professor, was the first to denote the dilemma of a print-oriented world"
"image matching succeeds goal matching in a time when the targets change faster than the aims. at present, the day an engineer or a medical student graduates, he is obsolete"
"as the information enviroment becomes a corporate teaching machine, adopting a college is like buying the london bridge or a rembrant"
"all preliterate societies are communist, just as they are tribal. they have never experienced nationalism, since that is one of the visual effects of phonetic literacy."
"identity is making, not matching. struggle, not goal"
"world war 1 was a railway war of centralisation and encirclement. world war 2 was a radio war of decentralism. world war 3 is a guerrilla information war with no division between military and civilian participation."
Q: "papa, what is a foundation?"
A: "it is an ingenious legal device whereby very wealthy families contrive to eat their cake and have it."
(all quotes from "culture is our business", marshall mcluhan, copyright 1970 by mcluhan associates, limited)
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!
Again does one useless idiot (newton) use for 'foundation arguments' the empty soundings of another useless idiot (brian).
Oh, the Irony...Oh, the Humanity!
RC.
.
"lewis carroll, a non-euclidian mathematical professor, was the first to denote the dilemma of a print-oriented world"
"image matching succeeds goal matching in a time when the targets change faster than the aims. at present, the day an engineer or a medical student graduates, he is obsolete"
"as the information enviroment becomes a corporate teaching machine, adopting a college is like buying the london bridge or a rembrant"
"all preliterate societies are communist, just as they are tribal. they have never experienced nationalism, since that is one of the visual effects of phonetic literacy."
"identity is making, not matching. struggle, not goal"
"world war 1 was a railway war of centralisation and encirclement. world war 2 was a radio war of decentralism. world war 3 is a guerrilla information war with no division between military and civilian participation."
Q: "papa, what is a foundation?"
A: "it is an ingenious legal device whereby very wealthy families contrive to eat their cake and have it."
(all quotes from "culture is our business", marshall mcluhan, copyright 1970 by mcluhan associates, limited)
QUOTE (newton+Feb 27 2006, 12:36 AM)
QUOTE (RealityCheck+Feb 27 2006, 12:13 AM)
QUOTE (newton+Feb 26 2006, 10:16 PM)
QUOTE (brian+Feb 26 2006, 09:09 PM)
Reality Check, your expertise lies here so can I ask, which of the following words would you make big?
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!
"It is already possible to know, beyond a reasonable doubt, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside job, orchestrated by terrorists within our own government."
I swither between "beyond a reasonable doubt" and "inside job" myself - maybe both or perhaps THEM ALL??
The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True
by David Ray Griffin, Ph.D.
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html
hey, i can help, brian. not only CIA DESK AGENT SHILLS from DIVISION FIVE know how to CAPITALISE.
"it is already possible to KNOW, beyond a reasonable doubt, one VERY important thing: the destruction of the world trade centre WAS an INSIDE JOB, orchestrated by terrorists WITHIN our OWN government."
i think, if RC was on our side, he would do it like this....
"It is already POSSIBLE to know, beyond a REASONABLE DOUBT, one very important thing: the destruction of the World Trade Centre was an inside JOB, orchestrated BY TERRORISTS within our own government."
....hence obfuscating the MEANING. he even OBFUSCATES his OWN posts, LOL!