“Why Indeed Did the WTC Buildings Collapse? “[/b]
By Steven E. Jones
Department of Physics and Astronomy
Brigham Young University
Provo, UT 84604
http://www.physics.byu.edu/research/energy/htm7.html


Professor Steven E. Jones provided an invited seminar open to the public at Utah Valley State College in Orem, Utah, on February 1, 2006: "9/11 Revisited: Scientific and Ethical Questions”

An MP3 of the Two Hour Seminar (61MB): http://tinyurl.com/974zy
PowerPoint Slideshow JPEGS (4.6MB ZIP file): http://tinyurl.com/95bht

Review of Seminar:
“Prof. Jones' Utah 9/11 Seminar - Feb.1, 2006”
http://www.gnn.tv/blogs/12675/Prof_Jones_U...inar_Feb_1_2006

Daily Herald - Central Utah's Newspaper:
“Questions remain from 9/11 report, professor says”
http://www.heraldextra.com/content/view/163875/3/



-KUTV (Salt Lake City CBS affiliate) - Thursday, November 10, 2005
“Collapse or Implosion: BYU Professor Has Theory About 9/11 Attacks”
Video: http://kutv.com/topstories/local_story_314234334.html

-Deseret Morning News - Thursday, November 10, 2005
“Y. professor thinks bombs, not planes, toppled WTC”, by Elaine Jarvik
http://deseretnews.com/dn/view/0,1249,635160132,00.html

-MSNBC's 'The Situation' - Tuesday, November 15, 2005
“Professor believes planes didn't cause all the damage around the WTC”
Video: http://www.911blogger.com/2005/11/byu-prof...n-jones-on.html

-TRIBUNE-REVIEW - Sunday, November 20, 2005
“Jonesing on conspiracy theories”, by Bill Steigerwald
http://pittsburghlive.com/x/tribune-review...d/s_395972.html



OFFICIAL GOVERNMENT REPORTS AND CRITIQUES


-Official NIST Report: http://wtc.nist.gov/NISTNCSTAR1CollapseofTowers.pdf
-NIST Report Critique: http://911research.wtc7.net/essays/nist/index.html
-Official FEMA Report: http://www.fema.gov/library/wtcstudy.shtm
-FEMA Report Critique: http://911research.wtc7.net/wtc/official/fema.html
-Official 9/11 Commission Report: http://www.9-11commission.gov/report/index.htm
-9/11 Commission Report Critique: http://911research.wtc7.net/post911/commission/report.html



INFORMATION ABOUT WTC BUILDING 7


-Official NIST Report for WTC 7 - pg 6 – “Working Collapse Hypothesis”
“An initial local failure at the lower floors (below Floor 13) of the building due to fire and/or debris induced structural damage of a critical column (the initiating event), which supported a large span floor bay with an area of about 2,000 ft2”
http://wtc.nist.gov/pubs/WTC%20Part%20IIC%...pse%20Final.pdf

-Official FEMA Report on WTC 7 – Chapter 5, pg 31
“Loss of structural integrity was likely a result of weakening caused by fires on the 5th to 7th floors. The specifics of the fires in WTC 7 and how they caused the building to collapse remain unknown at this time. Although the total diesel fuel on the premises contained massive potential energy, the best hypothesis has only a low probability of occurrence. Further research, investigation, and analyses are needed to resolve this issue.” http://www.fema.gov/pdf/library/fema403_ch5.pdf

-Building 7, the Untold Story: http://911research.wtc7.net/talks/b7/index.html


-WTC lease holder, Larry Silverstein, commenting on the collapse of Building 7 in the PBS documentary "America Rebuilds", which aired in September of 2002:

“I remember getting a call from the, er, fire department commander, telling me that they were not sure they were gonna be able to contain the fire, and I said, 'We've had such terrible loss of life, maybe the smartest thing to do is pull it.' And they made that decision to pull and we watched the building collapse.”
Video: http://www.911blogger.com/files/video/wtc7_pbs.WMV


-In the same documentary, America Rebuilds, a clean up worker at ground zero uses the term "pull" when preparing for the controlled demolition of Building 6: (Use of the word “pull” as slang for “demolish”)

Unidentified Construction Worker: "Hello? Oh, we're getting ready to pull building six."

Luis Mendes, NYC Dept of Design and Construction: "We had to be very careful how we demolished building six. We were worried about the building six coming down and then damaging the slurry walls, so we wanted that particular building to fall within a certain area.” Video: http://thewebfairy.com/killtown/video/wtc7/pull_wtc6.wmv


-Silverstein Answers WTC Building 7 Charges: Says "pull it" meant to evacuate firefighters, but there were no firefighters in the building. http://www.infowars.com/articles/sept11/si...tc7_charges.htm


-Reporter who witnessed the collapse of Building 7: "People started to run away from the scene [WTC7] and I turned in time to see what looked like a skyscraper implosion - looked like it had been done by a demolition crew - the whole thing just collapsing down on itself and another big huge plume of gray and white smoke shooting up into the air and then more of the smoke billowing up the street here... so that’s number one, number two, and now number seven that have come down from this explosion. "

Live report by 1010 WINS NYC News Radio on 9-11-01. This report can be heard in the documentary 911 Eyewitness (the film can be downloaded for free at this link: http://question911.com/links.php )


-Emergency worker who witnessed the collapse of Building 7: "We were watching the building [WTC7] actually ‘cuz it was on fire… the bottom floors of the building were on fire and… we heard this sound that sounded like a clap of thunder… turned around - we were shocked to see that the building was ah well it looked like there was a shockwave ripping through the building and the windows all busted out… it was horrifying… about a second later the bottom floor caved out and the building followed after that… we saw the building crash down all the way to the ground… we were in shock. "

Live report by 1010 WINS NYC News Radio on 9-11-01. This report can be heard in the documentary 911 Eyewitness (the film can be downloaded for free at this link: http://question911.com/links.php )


-Guns & Butter Radio interview - April 27th 2005:
Hosted by Bonnie Falkner
Guest: Indira Singh (Ground Zero Emergency Worker)

Bonnie: How long did you work as an emergency medical technician and exactly what is it that you were doing (at ground zero)?

Indira: ...when I got there we were setting up triage sites (at ground zero), close, very close to the area. The triage site that I was setting up was behind, well, to the east of Building 7 where Building 7 came down...
...we were setting up triages as close to the pile as possible… so what we were doing was setting up different kinds of stations… IV stations, cardiac stations, wound stations, burn stations ...just trying to have an organized space. What happened with that particular triage site is that pretty soon afternoon, after mid-day on 9/11 we had to evacuate that because they told us Building 7 was coming down... I do believe that they brought Building 7 down... By noon or one o'clock they told us we had to move from that triage site up to Pace University a little further away because Building 7 was going to come down or being brought down.

Bonnie: Did they actually use the word "brought" down and who was it that was telling you this?

Indira: The fire department... the fire department and they did use the word "we're going to have to bring it down."

The entire interview can be listened to at this link. The excerpts from above can be found approximately 10 minutes into the interview. http://tinyurl.com/7dww8


-Columbia Journalism Review – May/June 2003, by Thomas Franklin

Excerpt from an article written by award winning photographer, Thomas Franklin, who snapped the world famous photo of firemen raising the American flag at ground zero. In the article Franklin explains that all of ground zero was evacuated less than an hour before WTC 7 was demolished at approximately 5:20 pm on 9/11:

"Much of what happened to me on September 11 is a blur, but this moment I clearly remember: It was 4:45 p.m., and all the firemen and rescue workers were evacuating Ground Zero after word came that a third building -- WTC 7 -- was ready to fall. I had only a few frames left, and an entire day's worth of pictures to develop, so I prepared to head back to New Jersey." Link to entire article: http://archives.cjr.org/year/02/2/franklin.asp




A MIXTURE OF NEWS/FILM FOOTAGE AND NEW YORK TIMES QUOTES WHERE SPECIFIC REFERENCES TO BOMBS, EXPLOSIONS, AND CONTROLLED DEMOLITIONS ARE MADE

The video clips are of FDNY personnel, emergency workers, reporters, and witnesses.

The quotes are from the Official ‘Oral Histories’ Transcripts of FDNY personnel and emergency workers as conducted a few months after 9/11 by the WTC Task Force Interviewers and published in the New York Times:
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/html...es_full_01.html



- CBS News Anchor, Dan Rather, comments on the collapse of WTC Building 7: “Amazing, incredible pick your word. For the third time today, it’s reminiscent of those pictures we’ve all seen too much on television before, where a building was deliberately destroyed by well placed dynamite to knock it down.”
Video: http://www.whatreallyhappened.com/IMAGES/w..._demolition.mpg



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER STEPHEN GREGORY Interview Date: October 3, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110008.PDF

pgs 14-16: I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-level flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q. Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?

A. No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did you see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.
I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building coming down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever. But it's just strange that two people sort of say the same thing and neither one of us talked to each other about it. …

Q. On the television pictures it appeared as well, before the first collapse, that there was an explosion up on the upper floors.

A. I know about the explosion on the upper floors. This was like eye level. I didn't have to go like this. Because I was looking this way. I'm not going to say it was on the first floor or the second floor, but somewhere in that area I saw to me what appeared to be flashes. I don't know how far down this was already. I mean, we had heard the noise but, you know, I don't know.


-CAPTAIN KARIN DESHORE Interview Date: November 7, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110192.PDF

pg 10: I had no clue what was going on. Never turned around because a sound came from somewhere that I never heard before. Some people compared it with an airplane. It was the worst sound of a rolling sound, not a thunder. I can’t explain it, what it was. All I know is -- and a force started to come hit me in my back. I can’t explain it. You had to be there. All I know is I had to run because I thought there was an explosion.

pg 11: Whatever this explosion was simply sucked all the oxygen out of the air.

pg 15: Somewhere around the middle of the world trade center, there was this orange and red flash coming out. Initially it was just one flash. Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building. I went inside and I told everybody that the other building or there was an explosion occurring up there and I said I think we have another major explosion…

pg 16: So here these explosions are getting bigger and louder and bigger and louder…

pgs 17-18: Again, I didn’t see what was happening behind me, but knowing of all the explosions I thought here was another explosion coming and this sound again and this wave of this force again. I just jumped on the boat, closed the door with my left hand and just sank down to my knees. Here whatever it was just came right at us again.


-DEPUTY COMMISSIONER THOMAS FlTZPATRlCK Interview Date: October 1, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110001.PDF

pgs 13-14: We looked up at the building straight up, we were that close. All we saw was a puff of smoke coming from about 2 thirds of the way up. Some people thought it was an explosion. I don't think I remember that. I remember seeing, it looked like sparkling around one specific layer of the building. I assume now that that was either windows starting to collapse like tinsel or something. Then the building started to come down. My initial reaction was that this was exactly the way it looks when they show you those implosions on TV.



-FDNY recall "detonations" in South Tower:

fireman2: We made it outside, we made it about a block.
fireman1: We made it at least 2 blocks.
fireman2: 2 blocks.
fireman1: and we started runnin'
fireman2: poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch-poch
fireman1: Floor by floor it started poppin' out ..
fireman2: It was as if as if they had detonated, det..
fireman1: yea detonated yea
fireman2: as if they had planned to take down a building,
boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom-boom ...
fireman1: All the way down, I was watchin it, and runnin'
Video: http://www.prisonplanet.tv/discussion_in_firehouse.mpg


-WTC Worker: “…we started walking down the stairs and made it to the eighth floor.Big Explosion. Blew us back into the eighth floor...” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.....explosion..wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
FIREFIGHTER EDWARD CACHIA Interview Date: December 6, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110251.PDF

pg 5: As my officer and I were looking at the south tower, it just gave. It actually gave at a lower floor, not the floor where the plane hit, because we originally had thought there was like an internal detonation explosives because it went in succession, boom, boom, boom, boom, and then the tower came down.


-PARAMEDIC DANIEL RIVERA Interview Date: OCTOBER 10 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110035.PDF

pg 9: It was a frigging noise. At first I thought it was -- do you ever see professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear “pop, pop, pop, pop, pop”? That’s exactly what -- because I thought it was that. When I heard that frigging noise, that’s when I saw the building coming down.


-FIREFIGHTER KENNETH ROGERS Interview Date: December 10, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110290.PDF

pgs 3-4: … then there was an explosion in the south tower, which according to this map, this exposure just blew out in flames. A lot of guys left at that point. I kept watching. Floor after floor after floor. One floor under another after another and when it hit about the fifth floor, I figured it was a bomb, because it looked like a synchronized deliberate kind of thing. I was there in '93.


-LIEUTENANT GEORGE J. DeSIMONE Interview Date: October 22, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110129.PDF

pg 6: The next thing I know, we heard a little bit of a rumbling, and then white powder came from the first collapsed building. I thought it was an explosion initially.

pgs 7-8: After that, I still thought it was an explosion. I thought it was some kind of thermal explosion where I'm either going to get burnt -- and I had kind of ideas that it was going to be something like Hiroshima where all this heat was coming at me and we were going to get burnt -- or if the heat didn't burn me, I thought that all the parts coming out of this building, the windows, metal, all the things like that, that I might be severed in half.

pg 10: I don't think we understood the magnitude of what was going on. I was fearful that there were bombs in the building. That was my first thought, being the military kind of guy that I am.


-FATHER JOHN DELENDICK Interview Date: December 6, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110230.PDF

pgs 5-6: I remember asking Ray Downey was it the jet fuel that blew up. He said at that point he thought there were bombs up there because it was too even. As we've since learned, it was the jet fuel that was dropping down that caused all this. But he said it was too even.

Q. Symmetrical?
A. So his original thought was that he thought it was a bomb up there as well.



-NBC Reporter, Pat Dawson: “[Albert Turi] the Chief of Safety of the Fire Department of New York City told me he received word of the possibility of a secondary device, that is another bomb going off. He tried to get his men out as quickly as he could, but he said there was another explosion which took place. …That his theory he thinks that there were actually devices that were planted in the building.” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.1.wmv


-MSNBC Reporter, Ann Thompson: “... Cars on fire… cars just turned by the force of the explosions…”
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc....ompson.cars.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY JULIAN Interview Date: December 26, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110386.PDF

pg 10: … right when we got to the corner of Washington and Albany, that’s when I heard the building collapse. First I thought it was an explosion. I thought maybe there was a bomb on the plane, but delayed type of thing, you know, secondary device. I was convinced for a week it was secondary devices. … You know, and I just heard like an explosion and a then a cracking type of noise, and then it sounded like a freight train, rumbling and picking up speed, and I remember I looked up, and I saw it coming down…


-LIEUTENANT ROBERT DORRITIE Interview Date: December 11, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110299.PDF

pg 4: … we were deciding which way to go into the south tower. That's when I looked up, and the tower started coming down, which at the time I said I thought it was a secondary device. I had warned the guys about secondary devices on the way down and to be careful of that.


-FIREFIGHTER TIMOTHY BURKE Interview Date: January 22, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110488.PDF

pg 8: Then the building popped, lower than the fire, which learned was I guess, the aviation fuel fell into the pit, and whatever floor it fell on heated up really bad and that’s why it popped at that floor. That’s the rumor I heard. But it seemed like I was going oh, my god, there is a secondary device because the way the building popped thought it was an explosion.


-FIRE MARSHAL JOHN COYLE Interview Date: December 28, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110406.PDF

pg 8: The tower was -- it looked to me – I thought it was exploding, actually. That’s what I thought for hours afterwards, that it had exploded or the plane or there had been some device on the plane that had exploded, because the debris from the tower had shot out far over our heads. It was raining down.

pgs 15-16: While I was down at Battery Park, I finally got through on my phone to my father and said, “I’m alive. I just wanted to tell you, go to church, I’m alive. I just so narrowly escaped this thing.” He said, “where were you? You were there?” I said, “yeah, I was right there when it blew up.” He said, “you were there when the planes hit?” I said, “no, I was there when it exploded, the building exploded.” He said, “you mean, when it fell down?” I said, “no, when it exploded.” I still didn’t realized what had happened. I totally thought it had been blown up. That’s just the perspective of looking up at it, it seemed to have exploded out. But that I guess was the force of the upper stories collapsing down.


-FIREFIGHTER ANGEL RIVERA Interview Date: January 22, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110489.PDF

pgs 4-5: We were there about ten minutes before the chief told us go to the Marriott Hotel, go from the 14th floor up, search and evacuate all the floors. So we walk all the way up, no problem. Then we hear the explosion and debris falling. We were looking out of the windows and see body parts all over the place. It was scary. It was very sad. We searched 14, 15, went in one lobby, we came out the other way, we went in one stairway, came up -- when we hit the 19th floor, something horrendous happened. It was like a bomb went off. We thought we were dead. The whole building shook. The brick coming out of -- the door to the hallway into the hotel blew off like somebody had thrown it all over the place. It shook all over the place. We were thrown on the floor. We looked inside the lobby after everything calmed down, and everything was collapsed. The building was still shaking and we're still hearing explosions going on everywhere, so we decided let's get out of here. After we decided to get out of there, we dropped everything. We had a roof rope; we dropped it. We didn't think about retaining our tools. We just wanted to get out of there. We ran all the way down to the fourth floor where we ran out of stairs. There were no more stairs.

pg 7: Mike Mullan walked one flight up, and then the most horrendous thing happened. That's when hell came down. It was like a huge, enormous explosion. I still can hear it. Everything shook. Everything went black. The wind rushed, very slowly [sound], all the dust, all the -- and everything went dark.

pg 9: When the second tower came down, we had no idea what was going on. We thought another plane, another bomb, another as a second device. We thought, this is it, we are dead.



-MSNBC Reporter, Rick Sanchez: "… Police have found what they describe as a suspicious device, and they fear that it might be something that could lead to another explosion...I spoke with some police officials moments ago, Chris, and they told me that they have reason to believe that one of the explosions at the WTC aside from the ones that may have been caused by the impact of the plane with the building, may have been caused by a van that was parked in the building that may have had some type of explosive device in it. So, their fear here is that there may have been explosive devices planted either in the building or in the adjacent area ..."
Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.w....explosives.wmv


-WTC Worker: “…we stuck on the stairs for a while, we finally got down to the lobby. Then we get to the lobby, there’s this big explosion.” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc....g.explosion.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
BATTALION CHIEF DOMINICK DeRUBBIO Interview Date: October 12, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110064.PDF

pg 5: It was weird how it started to come down. It looked like it was a timed explosion, but I guess it was just the floors starting to pancake one on top of the other.


-ASSISTANT COMMISSIONER JAMES DRURY Interview Date: October 16, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110098.PDF

pg 6: We were in the process of getting some rigs moved when I turned, as I heard a tremendous roar, explosion, and saw that the first of the two towers was starting to come down.

pg 7: That was the north tower now coming down. I should say that people in the street and myself included thought that the roar was so loud that the explosive - bombs were going off inside the building. Obviously we were later proved wrong.

pg 12: As I said I thought the terrorists planted explosives somewhere in the building. That's how loud it was, crackling explosive, a wall.


-FIREFIGHTER JOHN MALLEY Interview Date: December 12, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110319.PDF

pg 5: I felt the rumbling, and then I felt the force coming at me. I was like, what the hell is that? In my mind it was a bomb going off. The pressure got so great, I stepped back behind the columns separating the revolving doors. Then the force just blew past me. It blew past me it seemed for a long time. In my mind I was saying what the hell is this and when is it going to stop? Then it finally stopped, that pressure which I thought was a concussion of an explosion. It turns out it was the down pressure wind of the floors collapsing on top of each other.

pg 6: There were secondary explosions, I don't know, aerosol cans or whatever. But we're in the darkness. We see basically the glow of a flashlight and still things coming down. The noise, the explosions, whatever it was.


-CAPTAIN JAY SWITHERS Interview Date: October 30, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110172.PDF

pg 5: I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.



-MSNBC Reporter, Ann Thompson: "At 10:30 I tried to leave the building, but as soon as I got outside I heard a second explosion and another rumble and more smoke and more dust. I ran inside the building and the chandelier shook and again black smoke filled the air. Within another five minutes we were covered again with more soot and more dust. And then a fire marshal came in and said we had to leave, because if there was a third explosion this building might not last."
Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.....explosions.wmv


-Reporter: “… there was an explosion. It was way up where the fire was.. and the whole building, at that point, bellied out in flames…”Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
LIEUTENANT GREGG HANSSON Interview Date: October 9, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110017.PDF

pg 15: Then a large explosion took place. In my estimation that was the tower coming down, but at that time I did not know what that was. I thought some type of bomb had gone off.


-FIREFIGHTER WILLIAM REYNOLDS Interview Date: December 11, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110288.PDF

pgs 3-4: After a while, and I don't know how long it was, I was distracted by a large explosion from the south tower and it seemed like fire was shooting out a couple of hundred feet in each direction, then all of a sudden the top of the tower started coming down in a pancake. …

Q. … where was the fire? Like up at the upper levels where it started collapsing?
A. It appeared somewhere below that. Maybe twenty floors below the impact area of the plane. I saw it as fire and when I looked at it on television afterwards, it doesn't appear to show the fire. It shows a rush of smoke coming out below the area of the plane impact. The reason why I think the cameras didn't get that image is because they were a far distance away and maybe I saw the bottom side where the plane was and the smoke was up above it.

pg 8: So we kind of just all were walking around dazed and I ran into a Battalion Chief. I don't know who he was. I said to him, I said, "Chief, they're evacuating the other building; right?" … Before the north tower fell. He said, "No." I said, "Why not? They blew up the other one." I thought they blew it up with a bomb. I said, "If they blew up the one, you know they're gonna blow up the other one." He said, "No, they're not." I said, "Well, you gotta tell them to evacuate it, because it's gonna fall down and you gotta get the guys out."


-FIREFIGHTER THOMAS TURILLI Interview Date: January 17, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110501.PDF

pgs 4-5: … sounded like bombs going off, like boom, boom, boom, like seven or eight, and then just a huge wind gust just came.


-FIREFIGHTER KEITH MURPHY Interview Date: December 5, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110238.PDF

pgs 19-20: I had heard right before the lights went out, I had heard distant boom boom boom, sounded like three explosions. I don’t know what it was. At the time, I would have said they sounded like bombs, but it was boom boom boom and then the lights all go out. I hear someone say oh, ***, that was just for the lights out. I would say about 3, 4 seconds, all of sudden this tremendous roar. It sounded like being in tunnel with the train coming at you. It sounded like nothing I had ever heard in my life, but it didn’t sound good. All of a sudden I could feel the floor started to shake and sway. We were being thrown like literally off our feet, side to side, getting banged around and then a tremendous a wind started to happen. It probably lasted maybe 15 seconds, 10 to 15 seconds. It seemed like hurricane force wind. It would blow you off your feet and smoke and debris and more things started falling.


-EMT MICHAEL OBER Interview Date: October 16, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110093.PDF

pgs 4-5: Then we heard a rumble, some twisting metal, we looked up in the air, and to be totally honest, at first, I don’t know exactly…but it looked to me just like an explosion. It didn’t look like the building was coming down, it looked like just one floor had blown completely outside of it. I was sitting there looking at it. I just never thought they would ever come down, so I didn’t think they were coming down.



-War Corespondent, Jack Kelley: "…Apparently what appears to happen was that at the same time two planes hit the building that there... that the FBI most likely thinks that there was a car or truck packed with explosives underneath the buildings which also exploded at the same time, and brought both of them down..."
Video: http://www.terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.w....jack.kelley.rm


-Terrorism Security Expert (used by many news organizations): “We’ve heard reports of secondary explosions after the aircraft impacted, whether in fact there wasn't something else at the base of the towers that in fact were the coup de grace to bring them to the ground.”
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.wtc.s...frey.beatty.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
LIEUTENANT NEIL BROSNAN Interview Date: December 12, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110328.PDF

pgs 8-9: Actually the explosion came in through those doors and came up behind the way I had come in. And I realized that, that the explosion came from the way had just left.

pg 20: They observed the explosion and the hallway disappeared. They thought the hallway blew up where I had come from.


-FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BANACISKI Interview Date: December 6, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110253.PDF

pgs 3-4: We were there I don't know, maybe 10, 15 minutes and then I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions. Everybody just said run and we all turned around and we ran into the parking garage because that's basically where we were. Running forward would be running towards it. Not thinking that this building is coming down. We just thought there was going to be a big explosion, stuff was going to come down.


-EMT JULIO MARRERO Interview Date: October 25, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110162.PDF

pg 4: … I heard a loud bang. We looked up, and we just saw the building starting to collapse.

pg 5: I was screaming from the top of my lungs, and I must have been about ten feet away from her and she couldn't even hear me, because the building was so loud, the explosion, that she couldn't even hear me.


-FIREFIGHTER CRAIG CARLSEN Interview Date: January 25, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110505.PDF

pg 6: I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.


-FIREFIGHTER KEVIN DUGGAN Interview Date: December 14, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110345.PDF

pg 7: … looked like the middle of [the south tower] was just exploding out…



-ABC Reporter: “…the entire building has just collapsed as if a demolition team set off....”
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/comments/911.abc.demolition.team.wmv


-Witness: "I was about five blocks away when I heard explosions... three thuds and turned around to see the building that we just got out of... tip over and fall in on itself." Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.1.wmv


-Witness: "...and then all of a sudden it started like... it sounded like gunfire... you know, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang, bang and then all of a sudden three big explosions. "
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.witness.2.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
SUPERVISING FIRE MARSHAL JOHN D. LYNN Interview Date: December 27, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110389.PDF

pg 3: It's hard to deal with the time frame, but it seems as if suddenly there was a -- our attention was drawn to the south tower. There was some kind of explosion, you might say, up in the area where the fire was. Actually, in hindsight, that was the start of the collapse. Now, we were very close at that time.


-BATTALION CHIEF JOHN SUDNIK Interview Date: November 7, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110198.PDF

pg 4: Then we heard a loud explosion or what sounded like a loud explosion and looked up and I saw tower two start coming down.


-PARAMEDIC KEVIN DARNOWSKI Interview Date: November 9, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110202.PDF

pg 8: At that time I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.


-CHIEF STEVE GRABHER Interview Date: December 6, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110241.PDF

pgs 10-11: Just as I go out of the building, one of my guys says hey Captain, the building is coming down. I looked over my shoulder and you could see the whole top of the south tower leaning towards us. It looked like it was coming over. You could see the windows pop out just like in the picture, looked like a movie. I saw one floor of windows pop out, like poof, poof. I saw one and a half floors pop out. It looked almost like an explosion. The whole top was teetering, and I really thought just the top of the building was falling off.



-FDNY: "As we were getting our gear on and making our way to the stairway, there was a heavy duty explosion."
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/heavy.duty.explosion.wmv


-Street Reporter: "45 minutes into the taping that we were doing, there was… an explosion. It was way up where the fire was, and the whole building… at that point… bellied out… in flames… and everybody ran."
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc.reporter.2.wmv


-9/11 Hero William Rodriguez: says explosions before airplanes hit: (INN World Report - 15 Minute Interview)
Video: http://www.911proof.com/resources/innrodri...nsept05snow.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
LIEUTENANT PATRICK SCARINGELLO Interview Date: October 10, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110030.PDF

pg 4: … I heard the explosion from up above. I looked up, I saw smoke and flame and then I saw the top tower tilt, start to twist and lean.


-FIREFIGHTER CHRISTOPHER FENYO Interview Date: December 11, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110295.PDF

pg 3: There was an explosion at the top of the Trade Center and a piece of Trade Center flew across the West Side Highway and hit the Financial Center.

pg 5: About a couple minutes after George came back to me is when the south tower from our perspective exploded from about midway up the building.

pgs 6-7: At that point a debate began to rage because the perception was that the building looked like it had been taken out with charges. We had really no concept of the damage on the east side of 2 World Trade Center at that point, and at that point many people had felt that possibly explosives had taken out 2 World Trade…


-LIEUTENANT GARY GATES Interview Date: October 12, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110065.PDF

pgs 6-7: I looked up, and the building exploded, the building that we were very close to, which was one tower. The whole top came off like a volcano.

Q. What was that, was that the second plane hitting?

A. … I realized in talking with people over a period of two weeks, that had to be the collapse, because since that was the north tower which was hit by a plane first, the other tower was hit by a plane just before we got there. So now both towers have been hit by a plane. The north tower was burning. So the explosion, what I realized later, had to be the start of the collapse. It was the way the building appeared to blowout from both sides. I'm looking at the face of it, and all we see is the two sides of the building just blowing out and coming apart like this, as I said, like the top of a volcano.


-FIREFIGHTER KEVIN MURRAY: Interview Date: October 9, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110020.PDF

pg 7: We helped a lady out of there and we started walking up to the third floor. That third floor was clear. There was no damage, nothing. We got up to the fifth floor and there was severe damage. The ceilings had come down, the some walls had caved in. … Then we went to the sixth floor and did the same thing. Same sort of damage up there.

pg 15: When the tower started -- there was a big explosion that I heard and someone screamed that it was coming down and I looked away and I saw all the windows domino -- you know, dominoeing up and then come down.



-FDNY: "We were trying to get some of the people out, but then there was secondary explosions and then subsequent collapses..." Video: http://www.911blimp.net/videos/FDNY-explosions.mov


-Construction Worker:

“I go downstairs… the foreman tells me to go to remove the containers… as I’m walking by the main freight car of the building in the corridor… that’s… that’s when I got blown. I mean... the impact of the explosion... of whatever happened it threw me to the floor… and that’s when everything started happening. It knocked me right to the floor...”
“…As we were running up the ramps [to 2 WTC]… and then all of a sudden in happened all over again. Building 2 got hit. And… I don’t know that… I just know something else… hit us to the floor. Right in the basement you felt it… walls were caving in…”
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc....ent.morelli.wmv
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc....ent.morelli.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
FIREFIGHTER RICHARD BOERI Interview Date: December 10, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110302.PDF

pg 4: We had our backs to the tower and under that pedestrian bridge walking south, myself, Eddie Kennedy and the officer, when you heard the crackling. You looked up and you saw the one floor explode on itself and the top start to slide.


-LT. THOMAS PIAMBINO Interview Date: January 24, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110493.PDF

pg 5: The south tower had fallen, but at that time I didn't know what it was. All I heard was a tremendous explosion. The tower I was in shook really bad. It really shook bad, and my opinion, I thought it was another aircraft that hit the building.

pgs 9-10: We started to go north on West Street as fast as we could. We weren't running, but we were moving, walking pretty fast, and then the north tower started to fall, and my perception was that when I looked back at the tower as it was starting to come down -- I was booking -- was that there was -- I thought it exploded, and I didn't realize it had collapsed. It looked to me like an explosion, and you could feel the -- you could feel it coming, and they were still running away from it. I mean, you weren't going to out run it. At that point, we all split up. I mean, it was like run, and each one of us took refuge behind something, and I wound up taking refuge behind an ESU truck, I believe it was, a Police Department ESU truck, I think, and I just rode it out until first there was the explosion or the concussion, and then there was very, very strong wind, and then there was the black -- black -- dirt black cloud, and you couldn't see nothing, and it became very, very quiet…


-FIREFIGHTER FRANK SWEENEY Interview Date: October 18, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110113.PDF


pg 9: I hear what sounded like firecrackers and a low rumble. I look up, and the south tower – I could see the top part of the siding overlapping the bottom side of the siding..



-CNN Producer:

“...Every few minutes you'll hear like a small sort of a rumbling sound, almost like an explosion sound and another chunk of it will come flying down into the street...”
Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc....nsound.part.wmv

“…There was just a huge ... [explosion? Word apparently muted on original CNN video] and enormous pieces of debris just falling one right after the other…” Video: http://terrorize.dk/911/witnesses/911.wtc....nsored.part.wmv



-NEW YORK TIMES ‘ORAL HISTORIES’ - WTC TASK FORCE INTERVIEWS
CAPTAIN WILLIAM MCLAUGHLIN Interview Date: December 17, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110361.PDF

pg 5: I looked up and I could see the top of the north tower mushroom out in a cloud of dust and smoke and you could see the tip of the antenna sort of wobble.


-FIREFIGHTER KEVIN GORMAN Interview Date: January 9, 2002
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110434.PDF

pg 6: … I heard the explosion, looked up, and saw like three floors explode, saw the antenna coming down, and turned around and ran north.


-FIREFIGHTER JOHN PICARELLO Interview Date: December 6, 2001
http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110240.PDF

pgs 14-15: … started to hear that rumbling sound again. I looked up, and the first thing I saw was the aerial on the top of the tower just rocking one way and rocking the other way, and all of a sudden there it goes.


-News Footage with Battalion Chief Joseph Pfeiffer:

Narrator: Pfeiffer was the first chief into the building. Right away, a guy from the Port Authority told him ‘the damage was somewhere above the 78th floor’. But all you had to do what look around. It was obvious, something had happened right there, in the lobby.

Pfeiffer: “You just… you just saw that, all the windows were blown out. The lobby… looked like the plane hit the lobby.”
Video: http://st12.startlogic.com/~xenonpup/underground/lobby.mpg




OTHER EXPERT OPINIONS


-Matthys Levy, Structural Engineer and Co Author of “Why Buildings Fall Down”


Levy has stated in the past that fire brought down the WTC buildings on 9/11. But it is interesting that he also made a public statement saying the WTC collapses resembled controlled demolition. (Matthys Levy was/is a representative for Weidlinger Associates; a company hired by WTC leaseholder Larry Silverstein to help prove to his insurers that the failures of the Towers were the result of two separate terrorist attacks, and therefore allow Silverstein to double his insurance payout.)

“It was the fire ... causing the failure of the steel columns and that caused the collapse”
http://wcbs880.com/topstories/topstoriesny..._113150328.html

"If you've seen many of the managed demolitions where they implode a building and they cause it to essentially to fall vertically because they cause all of the vertical columns to fail simultaneously, that's exactly what it looked like and that's what happened." Video: http://www.freepressinternational.com/discovery.html



-Professor Shi Yongjiu, Director of Civil Engineering Department, Qinghua University

Yongjui is an expert on steel structure. He guesses that the lower part of the WTC twin towers may got seriously damaged.

Why WTC Steel Towers Collapsed at One Blow September 20, 2001

“According to steel structure's mechanical nature, the towers shouldn't collapse as late as an hour later after the planes slammed into. What's more, it should be in a way to topple over gradually instead of crashing down as seen in videotapes. It looks more like a directional blast in doing the job of destruction, so he feels that huge damages must have been done at the lower part of the towers.“ http://english.people.com.cn/english/20010...0920_80655.html



-Van Romero, Vice President for Research and Economic Development
New Mexico Institute of Mining and Technology

Romero is a major authority on the effects of explosions on buildings.

Just days after 9/11, this explosives expert stated that he could tell the WTC was professional demolished by watching the videotapes. A few days later Romero recanted, and then received a promotion.

Explosives Planted in Towers, New Mexico Tech Expert Says Albuquerque Journal, September 14, 2001

"My opinion is, based on the videotapes, that after the airplanes hit the World Trade Center there were some explosive devices inside the buildings that caused the towers to collapse”

"It would be difficult for something from the plane to trigger an event like that”

"It could have been a relatively small amount of explosives placed in strategic points.”

Original Link of quote: http://www.abqjournal.com/aqvan09-11-01.htm
Archived link of Romero's quote: http://www.world-action.co.uk/explosives.html


New Mexico Tech Explosives Expert 'Flip-Flops' On WTC Controlled Demo Theory; Refuses To Explain Why:
“Certainly the fire is what caused the building to fail.” http://news.baou.com/main.php?action=recent&rid=20284

Romero receives promotion - January 11, 2002: http://infohost.nmt.edu/mainpg/news/2002/11jan05.html

Romero appointed to the Presidential Advisory Commission on Educational Excellence for Hispanic Americans: http://www.yic.gov/paceea/adcom/bios.html



- Jerry Russell, Ph.D. (MS in Engineering) - “Proof Of Controlled Demolition At The WTC”
http://www.attackonamerica.net/proofofcont...litionatwtc.htm


-David Ray Griffin - “The Destruction of the World Trade Center: Why the Official Account Cannot Be True”
http://911review.com/articles/griffin/nyc1.html

Foxx

6th February 2006 - 05:48 AM

QUOTE (reasonwhy+Feb 6 2006, 05:05 AM)

Foxx,

WTC 7 is pretty easy to find:

QUOTE

Power to WTC 7 entered at 13,800 volts (V), was stepped down to 480/277 V by silicone oil-filled transformers in individual masonry vaults on the 5th floor, and was distributed throughout the building. On each floor, one of the 277 legs was tapped and stepped down to supply single-phase 120-V branch circuits. The main system had ground fault protection.

An array of fuels typically associated with offices was distributed throughout much of the building. In addition, WTC 7 contained 10 transformers at street level, 12 transformers on the 5th floor, and 2 dry transformers on the 7th floor. The Con Ed substation contained (outside the building footprint) eight 30-foot-wide transformers that supplied 13-kilovolt ampere (kVA) power to the 6th floor of the building.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:RzaYQt...us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Thanks reasonwhy...

Can you suggest a 'reasonable' cause for the electrical overload which caused these transformers to 'explode' momentarily before the 'initiation of collapse'?

Of course, we all know thatv wtc 7 was a unique situation being the Con-ED power supply for that manhatten area.

The fire-fighter quotes related to the twin towers. As far as I know the 'towers' were NOT an electrical sub-station... but I could be wrong again?

Thanks for that information on WTC 7... but it doesn't tell us anything about WHERE the transformers were placed within the twin towers.

adoucette

6th February 2006 - 05:56 AM

QUOTE (reasonwhy+Feb 6 2006, 12:52 AM)

QUOTE (adoucette+Feb 5 2006, 08:42 PM)

Refresh my memory Foxx.

QUOTE

fire-fighters reported brisant flashes

I didn't know what brisant meant until I read the word in this thread and looked it up.

Kinda surprised (after hearing some of their Audio) that your typical NY Firefighter would be familiar with the term.


Arthur

Arthur,
What are you suggesting?

I'm suggesting that Foxx MADE UP THE TERM "Brisant Flashes".

You see, Brisant is an adjective that defines the shattering effect of an explosion.

It really has NOTHING to do with the amount of LIGHT that an explosion gives off, or what the explosion looks like.

For example, in Hollywood, where they use SQUIBS to SIMULATE larger explosions and bullet impacts, they would also likely employ pyrotechnics that DON'T SHATTER anything (i.e. low Brisance) but give off a lot of light, you know, for the effect.

So when Foxx MAKES UP A TERM like "Brisant Flashes" he is in essence putting words in the firefighters mouths. The firefighters may have seen FLASHES but associating those FLASHES with Brisance is most likely A FOXXY.

http://www.thefreedictionary.com/brisant

Arthur

adoucette

6th February 2006 - 06:00 AM

After seeing Foxx's post explaining Brisant Flashes.

Turns out I was right.

It is a Foxxy.

Meaning, Foxx made it up and it has no basis in reality.

Arthur

Foxx

6th February 2006 - 06:02 AM

Brisant Flashes???

Thanks Stallion4...

as usual... an in-depth analysis...

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...indpost&p=61558


Are you associated with Team8 + ???

Cheers

Foxx

reasonwhy

6th February 2006 - 06:05 AM

QUOTE (Foxx+Feb 5 2006, 09:48 PM)

QUOTE (reasonwhy+Feb 6 2006, 05:05 AM)

Foxx,

WTC 7 is pretty easy to find:

QUOTE

Power to WTC 7 entered at 13,800 volts (V), was stepped down to 480/277 V by silicone oil-filled transformers in individual masonry vaults on the 5th floor, and was distributed throughout the building. On each floor, one of the 277 legs was tapped and stepped down to supply single-phase 120-V branch circuits. The main system had ground fault protection.

An array of fuels typically associated with offices was distributed throughout much of the building. In addition, WTC 7 contained 10 transformers at street level, 12 transformers on the 5th floor, and 2 dry transformers on the 7th floor. The Con Ed substation contained (outside the building footprint) eight 30-foot-wide transformers that supplied 13-kilovolt ampere (kVA) power to the 6th floor of the building.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:RzaYQt...us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Thanks reasonwhy...

Can you suggest a 'reasonable' cause for the electrical overload which caused these transformers to 'explode' momentarily before the 'initiation of collapse'?

Of course, we all know thatv wtc 7 was a unique situation being the Con-ED power supply for that manhatten area.

The fire-fighter quotes related to the twin towers. As far as I know the 'towers' were NOT an electrical sub-station... but I could be wrong again?

Thanks for that information on WTC 7... but it doesn't tell us anything about WHERE the transformers were placed within the twin towers.

I do not think it was the transformer; I was just helping the official conspiracy theorist. I think everything should be explored no matter how ridicules. For WTC 1 and 2 all I could find is the new elevator transformers:

QUOTE (->

QUOTE

Power to WTC 7 entered at 13,800 volts (V), was stepped down to 480/277 V by silicone oil-filled transformers in individual masonry vaults on the 5th floor, and was distributed throughout the building. On each floor, one of the 277 legs was tapped and stepped down to supply single-phase 120-V branch circuits. The main system had ground fault protection. An array of fuels typically associated with offices was distributed throughout much of the building. In addition, WTC 7 contained 10 transformers at street level, 12 transformers on the 5th floor, and 2 dry transformers on the 7th floor. The Con Ed substation contained (outside the building footprint) eight 30-foot-wide transformers that supplied 13-kilovolt ampere (kVA) power to the 6th floor of the building.

http://72.14.207.104/search?q=cache:RzaYQt...us&ct=clnk&cd=1

Thanks reasonwhy...

Can you suggest a 'reasonable' cause for the electrical overload which caused these transformers to 'explode' momentarily before the 'initiation of collapse'?

Of course, we all know thatv wtc 7 was a unique situation being the Con-ED power supply for that manhatten area.

The fire-fighter quotes related to the twin towers. As far as I know the 'towers' were NOT an electrical sub-station... but I could be wrong again?

Thanks for that information on WTC 7... but it doesn't tell us anything about WHERE the transformers were placed within the twin towers.

I do not think it was the transformer; I was just helping the official conspiracy theorist. I think everything should be explored no matter how ridicules. For WTC 1 and 2 all I could find is the new elevator transformers:

Original Technical Specifications
The existing generator sets were replaced with SCR drives. Due to the power requirements of the aforementioned equipment, new drive componentry would be design-specific to WTC. ACE engineers, in conjunction with outside vendors, developed a system capable of powering the massive equipment with no negative effects to the building's power supply.
The use of SCRs for this installation required an isolation transformer, choke and harmonic filter as outlined below.
Isolation Transformer: 450 KVA-4250 lbs. (WPI)
Choke: 5MH-500A-2280 lbs. (WPI)
Harmonic Filter: 210KVAR-1280 lbs. 350BP(TVI)
SCR Drive: DSD-412 10 to 1250 amp (MagneTek)
The size of the new SCR drive enclosure was too large to fit in the elevator machine room. The choke and isolation transformer were also too large to be installed within the machine room space. The original motor-generator room, which could house this equipment, was located seven floors below the machine level. In order to support the combined weight of the new equipment in the existing motor generator room, a steel platform had to be erected, consisting of steel I-beams welded to the building steel and steel plates attached to the I-beams forming a mounting foundation. All the above equipment was isolated from the building steel by special high tensile rubber pads.
Installations of two separate trough runs (one high voltage and one communication) from the elevator motor room to the motor generator room seven floors away, proved a challenge. A run of approximately 80 vertical feet, employed over 300 running feet of 2-1/2" x 8" and 2"x 2" trough raceway. This run traveled through plaster ceilings, concrete floors and around structural steel. The remote location necessitated the installation of a new 800 amp service disconnect switch with a remote shunt trip, installed in each motor generator room.

http://www.elevator-world.com/magazine/arc...03-002.html-ssi

I am not being paid so I can look at both sides of the argument(Unlike the official conspiracy theorist).

hereward

6th February 2006 - 06:55 AM

QUOTE (lenbrazil+Feb 6 2006, 01:51 AM)

QUOTE (lenbrazil+Feb 5 2006, 11:57 PM)

I have a question for all the CT's out there.

Can you name any: ______________ who after studying the evidence believe explosives were used to bring down the towers? Not just in the US any where in the World. I far as I know none have done so publicly


A] civil engineers,


B] licensed architects,


C] construction contractors or


D] demolition experts*,


Len

* In the days following 9/11 a Chinese civil engineer and an American mining engineer/explosives expert said after seeing video of the collapses that they looked like controlled demo. The American retracted his assessment after studying the evidence, the Chinese engineer has been silent on the subject ever since.

LenBrazil,

Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Nicholas Copernicus? He wrote this treatise a few hundred years ago, suggesting that the earth revolves around the Sun. Up till that time none of the "experts" in any relevent fields had been prepared to publish a similar statement, although I suspect many were secretly in agreement with him.

The reason all the experts kept quiet about their views was possibly due to the fear of being charged with heresy and losing their jobs, or worse. To be guilty of heresy was, in medieval times, a very serious matter. Copernicus himself was forced to retract his views on threat of ex-communication.

Later Galileo decided to stick his neck out and advocate the Copernican theory. Galileo was arrested and tried for heresy.

These days the heretics are called whistle blowers and they don't get burned at the stake, but they do get burned in other ways, and they often lose their jobs, their marriages and their health. It is a big price to pay.

So, is the fact that civil engineers, architects and demolitions experts are not publicly advocating the controlled demolition theory proof that they all agree with the official theory? I suspect not.

On the other hand, I put it to you: why have we not seen a peer reviewed rebuttal of the theory that WTC 7 was brought down by explosives?

Lon Waters

6th February 2006 - 07:42 AM

QUOTE (stallion4+Feb 6 2006, 05:44 AM)

[QUOTE=Lon Waters,Feb 5 2006, 07:19 AM][QUOTE=Common Sense,Feb 5 2006, 05:59 AM] [QUOTE]"there were definitely bombs in those buildings,” Isaac added that “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” --Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac [/QUOTE]
Wrong. That statement is from the Randy Lavello article, not the WING TV article. Paul Isaac Jr. still stands behind that statement AND his statement he made about bombs being planted in the WTC buildings:

http://www.prisonplanet.com/analysis_lavel...0503_bombs.html

The only thing that he doesn't stand behind is his remark about the gag order which he said was speculation on his part.

I am sorry, I mistook the quote that Common_Sense gave as the one from the WING-TV article.

Lon Waters

6th February 2006 - 07:46 AM

edited to removed double post

adoucette

6th February 2006 - 01:38 PM

QUOTE (hereward+Feb 6 2006, 02:55 AM)

QUOTE (lenbrazil+Feb 5 2006, 11:57 PM)

I have a question for all the CT's out there.

Can you name any: ______________ who after studying the evidence believe explosives were used to bring down the towers? Not just in the US any where in the World. I far as I know none have done so publicly


A] civil engineers,


B] licensed architects,


C] construction contractors or


D] demolition experts*,


Len

* In the days following 9/11 a Chinese civil engineer and an American mining engineer/explosives expert said after seeing video of the collapses that they looked like controlled demo. The American retracted his assessment after studying the evidence, the Chinese engineer has been silent on the subject ever since.

LenBrazil,

Have you ever heard of a guy by the name of Nicholas Copernicus? He wrote this treatise a few hundred years ago, suggesting that the earth revolves around the Sun. Up till that time none of the "experts" in any relevent fields had been prepared to publish a similar statement, although I suspect many were secretly in agreement with him.

The reason all the experts kept quiet about their views was possibly due to the fear of being charged with heresy and losing their jobs, or worse. To be guilty of heresy was, in medieval times, a very serious matter. Copernicus himself was forced to retract his views on threat of ex-communication.

Later Galileo decided to stick his neck out and advocate the Copernican theory. Galileo was arrested and tried for heresy.

These days the heretics are called whistle blowers and they don't get burned at the stake, but they do get burned in other ways, and they often lose their jobs, their marriages and their health. It is a big price to pay.

So, is the fact that civil engineers, architects and demolitions experts are not publicly advocating the controlled demolition theory proof that they all agree with the official theory? I suspect not.

On the other hand, I put it to you: why have we not seen a peer reviewed rebuttal of the theory that WTC 7 was brought down by explosives?

Are you kidding me?

Has Steven Jones lost his job?
What about OUTSIDE the US? Conspiracy books on 9/11 sell quite well in France and Germany. Heck one was written by the ex German Def Min. Its quite fasionable over there to proclaim that America Sucks at most everything so one would think that at least one civil engineer or architect would want to make a name for themselves via a peer reviewed article.

They've had almost a year since the final draft was published by NIST, and what do you know, nothing.

NADA
ZIP
ZILCH

Why no peer reviewed rebuttle to the theory that WTC 7 was brought down by explosives?

You mean other than the fact that the Final NIST Report hasn't come out?

Pretty friggin obvious, one hasn't come out for the same reason no one has written a peer reviewed article debunking two headed aliens.



Arthur

Common Sense

6th February 2006 - 01:51 PM

The dishonesty on the CT side is sickening. They lie about the very people who would give their life to safe them...

Stop lying about what the fireman said...

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“I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...ski_Richard.txt

What do you expect the floors to sound like as they drop, one next to the other? If it didn't SEEM like explosions I would worry we weren't on earth.

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“I just remember there was just an explosion. It seemed like on television [when] they blow up these buildings. It seemed like it was going all the way around like a belt, all these explosions.”--Firefighter Richard Banaciski

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...ski_Richard.txt

What do you expect the floors to sound like as they drop, one next to the other? If it didn't SEEM like explosions I would worry we weren't on earth.

“I saw a flash flash flash [at] the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building?”--Assistant Fire Commissioner Stephen Gregory

This was one of those quotes taken out of context I told you about. Now the WHOLE QUOTE without the taking out of context part...

I know I was with an officer from Ladder 146, a Lieutenant Evangelista, who ultimately called me up a couple of days later just to find out how I was. We both for whatever reason -- again, I don't know how valid this is with everything that was going on at that particular point in time, but for some reason I thought that when I looked in the direction of the Trade Center before it came down, before No. 2 came down, that I saw low-leve] flashes. In my conversation with Lieutenant Evangelista, never mentioning this to him, he questioned me and asked me if I saw low-level flashes in front of the building, and I agreed with him because I thought -- at that time I didn't know what it was. I mean, it could have been as a result of the building collapsing, things exploding, but I saw a flash flash flash and then it looked like the building came down.

Q.: Was that on the lower level of the building or up where the fire was?

A: No, the lower level of the building. You know like when they demolish a building, how when they blow up a building, when it falls down? That's what I thought I saw. And I didn't broach the topic to him, but he asked me. He said I don't know if I'm crazy, but I just wanted to ask you because you were standing right next to me. He said did you see anything by the building? And I said what do you mean by see anything? He said did yc.u see any flashes? I said, yes, well, I thought it was just me. He said no, I saw them, too.

I don't know if that means anything. I mean, I equate it to the building cowing down and pushing things down, it could have been electrical explosions, it could have been whatever.

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...ory_Stephen.txt

Let me guess why they left that important part out..

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“[I]t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

SO WE WERE PRETTY MUCH-MOST OF THE WORKERS WERE INSIDE THIS BUILDING. I LIKE SAID, I DONT KNOW IF ITS FIVE WORLD TRADE CENTER OR FOUR WORLD TRADE CENTER. MOST OF THEM WERE IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE CHIEF OR THE CAPTAIN SAID IF YOU WANT YOU CAN STAY INSIDE THAT BUILDING. BUT I DIDNT FEEL SAFE BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS TERRORIST ATTACK SO I WAS SCARED. EVERY TIME YOU HEAR PLANE EVERYONE WOULD RUN. SO I PRETTY MUCH STOOD AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE. I WOULD SEE TRIAGE, BUT I WAS PRETTY MUCH IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

THEN THAT'S WHEN-I KEPT ON WALKING CLOSE TO THE SOUTH TOWER, AND THAT'S WHEN THAT BUILDING COLLAPSED.

Q: HOW DID YOU KNOWTHAT IT WAS COMING DOWN?

A: THAT NOISE .IT WAS NOISE.

Q: WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE?

A: IT WAS A FRIGGING NOISE. AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS-DO YOU EVER SEE PROFESSIONAL DEMOLITION WHERE THEY SET THE CHARGES ON CERTAIN FLOORS AND THEN YOU HEAR "POP, POP, POP, POP, POP"? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT WHEN I HEARD THAT FRIGGING NOISE, THAT'S WHEN SAW THE BUILDING COMING DOWN.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110035.PDF

First notice he and everyone else was scared of TERRORISTS. What do TERRORIST DO? They BLOW SHIAT UP. So it's not unreasonable for someone who is thinking TERRORIST to hear the sound of huge concrete floors falling one on top of the other to think "BOMB" first. As I said, No one has ever seen an airplane hit buildings constructed like this and the collapse if this odd combination.

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“[I]t was [like a] professional demolition where they set the charges on certain floors and then you hear 'Pop, pop, pop, pop, pop'."--Paramedic Daniel Rivera

SO WE WERE PRETTY MUCH-MOST OF THE WORKERS WERE INSIDE THIS BUILDING. I LIKE SAID, I DONT KNOW IF ITS FIVE WORLD TRADE CENTER OR FOUR WORLD TRADE CENTER. MOST OF THEM WERE IN THE BUILDING BECAUSE THE CHIEF OR THE CAPTAIN SAID IF YOU WANT YOU CAN STAY INSIDE THAT BUILDING. BUT I DIDNT FEEL SAFE BECAUSE I KNEW IT WAS TERRORIST ATTACK SO I WAS SCARED. EVERY TIME YOU HEAR PLANE EVERYONE WOULD RUN. SO I PRETTY MUCH STOOD AROUND HERE SOMEWHERE. I WOULD SEE TRIAGE, BUT I WAS PRETTY MUCH IN BETWEEN THE TWO BUILDINGS.

THEN THAT'S WHEN-I KEPT ON WALKING CLOSE TO THE SOUTH TOWER, AND THAT'S WHEN THAT BUILDING COLLAPSED.

Q: HOW DID YOU KNOWTHAT IT WAS COMING DOWN?

A: THAT NOISE .IT WAS NOISE.

Q: WHAT DID YOU HEAR? WHAT DID YOU SEE?

A: IT WAS A FRIGGING NOISE. AT FIRST I THOUGHT IT WAS-DO YOU EVER SEE PROFESSIONAL DEMOLITION WHERE THEY SET THE CHARGES ON CERTAIN FLOORS AND THEN YOU HEAR "POP, POP, POP, POP, POP"? THAT'S EXACTLY WHAT-BECAUSE I THOUGHT IT WAS THAT WHEN I HEARD THAT FRIGGING NOISE, THAT'S WHEN SAW THE BUILDING COMING DOWN.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110035.PDF

First notice he and everyone else was scared of TERRORISTS. What do TERRORIST DO? They BLOW SHIAT UP. So it's not unreasonable for someone who is thinking TERRORIST to hear the sound of huge concrete floors falling one on top of the other to think "BOMB" first. As I said, No one has ever seen an airplane hit buildings constructed like this and the collapse if this odd combination.

“There was what appeared to be at first an explosion. It appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides, materials shot out horizontally. And then there seemed to be a momentary delay before you could see the beginning of the collapse." --Chief Frank Cruthers

there was what appeared to be at first an explosion. it appeared at the very top, simultaneously from all four sides

http://www.nytimes.com/packages/html/nyreg...IC/Cruthers.txt

And why wouldn't floors falling around the building NOT APPEAR to be an EXPLOSION...

QUOTE

"I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.” --Paramedic Kevin Darnowski

Again, just more sounds like explosions as floors ram into each other. Note he doesn't say he SAW three explosions.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110202.PDF

And here is the outright LIE...

QUOTE (->

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"I started walking back up towards Vesey Street. I heard three explosions, and then we heard like groaning and grinding, and tower two started to come down.” --Paramedic Kevin Darnowski

Again, just more sounds like explosions as floors ram into each other. Note he doesn't say he SAW three explosions.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110202.PDF

And here is the outright LIE...

“ we heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. . . . We then realized the building started to come down.” -- Firefighter Craig Carlsen

Note where these lairs but the "...."

Now for the REAL quote...

I guess about three minutes later you just heard explosions coming from building two, the south tower. It seemed like it took forever, but there were about ten explosions. At the time I didn't realize what it was. We realized later after talking and finding out that it was the floors collapsing to where the plane had hit.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110505.PDF

With that alone I should rest my case. These CT sites are dishonest.

Here is the other lie, they split up these quote to make it seem like there are more than hey really are. You have paramedic Daniel Rivera and Stephen Gregory split up as if there are different accounts. They are the same account. What other reason would they have for splitting them up???

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“Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." -- Captain Karin Deshore

MY BACK WAS TOWARDS THE BUILDING, TRYING TO PUSH EVERYBODY UP.
GRASSY HILL WAS THERE AND UP UNDERNEATH THAT OVERPASS, WHEN SOMEBODY JUST SIMPLY SHOUTED AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO IT WAS, "ITS BLOWING".

I HAD NO CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON. I NEVER TURNED AROUND BECAUSE A SOUND CAME FROM SOMEWHERE THAT NEVER HEARD BEFORE. SOME PEOPLE COMPARED IT WITH AN AIRPLANE. IT WAS THE WORST SOUND OF ROLLING SOUND, NOT A THUNDER CANT EXPLAIN IT, WHAT IT WAS. ALL I
KNOW IS -- AND FORCE STARTED TO COME HIT ME IN MY BACK. I CANT EXPLAIN IT. YOU HAD TO BE THERE. ALL I KNOW IS -- HAD TO RUN BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION.

...I WAS UNAWARE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I THOUGHT
IT WAS JUST MAJOR EXPLOSION I DIDNT KNOW THE BUILDING WAS COLLAPSING

SOMEWHERE AROUND THE MIDDLE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, THERE WAS THIS ORANGE AND RED FLASH COMING OUT. INITIALLY IT WAS JUST ONE FLASH. THEN THIS FLASH JUST KEPT POPPING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING HAD STARTED TO EXPLODE. THE POPPING SOUND, AND WITH EACH POPPING SOUND IT WAS INITIALLY AN ORANGE AND THEN RED FLASH CAME OUT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN IT WOULD JUST GO ALL AROUND THE BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES AS FAR AS COULD SEE. THESE POPPING SOUNDS AND THE EXPLOSIONS WERE GETTING BIGGER GOING BOTH UP AND DOWN AND THEN ALL AROUND THE BUILDING.

It's time to see a transformer explosion.

http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electri...ormer-Explosion

All these buildings had transformers and transformer vaults.

SO HERE THESE EXPLOSIONS ARE GETTING BIGGER AND LOUDER AND BIGGER AND LOUDER AND I TOLD EVERYBODY IF THIS BUILDING TOTALLY EXPLODES, STILL UNAWARE THAT THE OTHER BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED, IM GOING IN THE WATER.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110192.PDF

QUOTE (->

QUOTE

“Then this flash just kept popping all the way around the building and that building had started to explode. The popping sound, and with each popping sound it was initially an orange and then a red flash came out of the building and then it would just go all around the building on both sides as far as I could see. These popping sounds and the explosions were getting bigger, going both up and down and then all around the building." -- Captain Karin Deshore

MY BACK WAS TOWARDS THE BUILDING, TRYING TO PUSH EVERYBODY UP.
GRASSY HILL WAS THERE AND UP UNDERNEATH THAT OVERPASS, WHEN SOMEBODY JUST SIMPLY SHOUTED AND I HAVE NO IDEA WHO IT WAS, "ITS BLOWING".

I HAD NO CLUE WHAT WAS GOING ON. I NEVER TURNED AROUND BECAUSE A SOUND CAME FROM SOMEWHERE THAT NEVER HEARD BEFORE. SOME PEOPLE COMPARED IT WITH AN AIRPLANE. IT WAS THE WORST SOUND OF ROLLING SOUND, NOT A THUNDER CANT EXPLAIN IT, WHAT IT WAS. ALL I
KNOW IS -- AND FORCE STARTED TO COME HIT ME IN MY BACK. I CANT EXPLAIN IT. YOU HAD TO BE THERE. ALL I KNOW IS -- HAD TO RUN BECAUSE I THOUGHT THERE WAS AN EXPLOSION.

...I WAS UNAWARE WHAT WAS HAPPENING. I THOUGHT
IT WAS JUST MAJOR EXPLOSION I DIDNT KNOW THE BUILDING WAS COLLAPSING

SOMEWHERE AROUND THE MIDDLE OF THE WORLD TRADE CENTER, THERE WAS THIS ORANGE AND RED FLASH COMING OUT. INITIALLY IT WAS JUST ONE FLASH. THEN THIS FLASH JUST KEPT POPPING ALL THE WAY AROUND THE BUILDING AND THAT BUILDING HAD STARTED TO EXPLODE. THE POPPING SOUND, AND WITH EACH POPPING SOUND IT WAS INITIALLY AN ORANGE AND THEN RED FLASH CAME OUT OF THE BUILDING AND THEN IT WOULD JUST GO ALL AROUND THE BUILDING ON BOTH SIDES AS FAR AS COULD SEE. THESE POPPING SOUNDS AND THE EXPLOSIONS WERE GETTING BIGGER GOING BOTH UP AND DOWN AND THEN ALL AROUND THE BUILDING.

It's time to see a transformer explosion.

http://www.stupidcollege.com/items/Electri...ormer-Explosion

All these buildings had transformers and transformer vaults.

SO HERE THESE EXPLOSIONS ARE GETTING BIGGER AND LOUDER AND BIGGER AND LOUDER AND I TOLD EVERYBODY IF THIS BUILDING TOTALLY EXPLODES, STILL UNAWARE THAT THE OTHER BUILDING HAD COLLAPSED, IM GOING IN THE WATER.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110192.PDF

“I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion.” -- Captain Jay Swithers

When I was giving her the oxygen, setting up the tank, you could hear a loud rumble. Somebody said run for your life. I turned to see who was yelling "run".
At that point I looked back and most of the people who were triaged in that area with the triage tags on them got up and ran. I took a quick glance at the building and while I didn't see it falling, I saw a large section of it blasting out, which led me to believe it was just an explosion. I thought it was a secondary device, but I knew that we had to go.

But one thing that did happen was an ambulance pulled up which was very clean. So I assumed that the vehicle had not been in the - what I thought was an explosion at the time, but was the first collapse.

http://graphics8.nytimes.com/packages/pdf/...HIC/9110172.PDF

First he heard the rumble. Not the so called "Explosion" which he never saw. Then he thought he heard an explosion because he saw the debris falling away from the building. He had TERRORIST on his mind and jumped to the conclusion that it was a bomb. You don't have to be a psychologist here.

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"there were definitely bombs in those buildings,” Isaac added that “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” --Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac

This is pulled straight out of someones a$$. There is NO Paul Isaac on the record saying anything of the kind. Another CT deception.

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"there were definitely bombs in those buildings,” Isaac added that “many other firemen know there were bombs in the buildings, but they’re afraid for their jobs to admit it because the ‘higher-ups’ forbid discussion of this fact.” --Auxiliary Lieutenant Fireman Paul Isaac

This is pulled straight out of someones a$$. There is NO Paul Isaac on the record saying anything of the kind. Another CT deception.

Fire officer Paul Isaac Jr. asserted that 9-11 was an inside job last September 11 at ground zero where mourners and protesters were gathered; “I know 9-11 was an inside job. The police know it’s an inside job; and the firemen know it too”, said Isaac.
http://www.americanfreepress.net/html/bombs_inside_wtc.html

No such quote can be found anywhere but on conspiracy theory sites.

adoucette

6th February 2006 - 02:25 PM

Common Sense,

You may have to post this another dozen or so times, these CT'ers reading comprehension is VERY low and they have VERY selective retention.

Then there are those extreme cases like Foxx who will not only MISREAD these quotes but also manage to stick BRISANT in front of "Flash".

I believe its a symtom of a previously unknown illness, Conspiracy Related Attention Paralysis or CRAP for short.

Arthur

Common Sense

6th February 2006 - 02:48 PM

QUOTE (adoucette+Feb 6 2006, 02:25 PM)

Common Sense,

You may have to post this another dozen or so times, these CT'ers reading comprehension is VERY low and they have VERY selective retention.

Then there are those extreme cases like Foxx who will not only MISREAD these quotes but also manage to stick BRISANT in front of "Flash".

I believe its a symtom of a previously unknown illness, Conspiracy Related Attention Paralysis or CRAP for short.

Arthur

HAHAHA "CRAP"! I love it!

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