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pauldentler
http://www.physorg.com/news97907842.html

Good thing, the net -10% volumeteric displacement from melting ice melting in the Arctic Ocean is the best way to combat the ice melt of the Greenland icesheet which is much smaller volumetrically than ice in the Arctic Ocean. The only question remaining is how much the ocean levels will drop (my calculations predict about a 0.10" drop) & if that will endanger coastal eco-systems anywhere in the world........Paul

lengould
Not sure I buy that Arthur. Site "claims to be using NOAA data" but no other references. Presents an impression which contradicts many other published data, or is it just your colouring above. In fact, evidence is there are a lot more months at a lot more sites with a 30 yr trend to less ice than to more. If GW not happening, I'd expect these to be even.
adoucette
Its a reputable site (put out by the Univ of Illinois)

They provide a contact for any questions:

You'll note all the data is ARCHIVED so you can explore it at will (what I wouldn't give if ALL climate sites didn't do the same)

You'll note that the published Barents sea ice data on the site agrees with the Physorg story.

http://arctic.atmos.uiuc.edu/cryosphere/IM...om.region.6.jpg

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My point wasn't that the story was wrong, but once again, selected data is used to make a GW point. The Arctic Ice cover is actually doing quite well THIS year. It is tending to be a bit thin over on the Russian side though, as two seas adjacent to the Barents sea are also down a bit (the Kara sea and the Laptev sea) but not as much as the Barents.

Arthur
pauldentler
Art, can you do math of any kind at all? You dished up somebody else's graphs which you probably can't even read. Let me help you out here.....The TOTAL volume of water in the world's oceans is ~ 1.3 x 10 to the 9th cubic kilometers. Ice in Greenland is 10% of world total ice which is ~30,000,000 cubic km. Now, do the math & tell us what the percent of Greenland ice to Total Ocean Water Is....then we can go on to the next step, but before we do that I first need to know what your math skills are.........
adoucette
QUOTE (paul+)
You dished up somebody else's graphs which you probably can't even read.


What's YOUR problem????

Here's a HINT:

MY POST, (and those graphs) had NOTHING to do with YOUR POST.

I've generally ignored you since you seem to be the only person on the planet who claims that MELTING of ice will LOWER SEA LEVELS.

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Oh, and I can do all kinds of math (I'm a tad rusty at most of the advanced math I took but can probably still manage it if I try).

But what's your point Paul?

That the volume of ice on Greenland is a small fraction of a percent of the volume of the oceans?

Don't need math for that, 'cause its FRIGGIN OBVIOUS.

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Arthur
lengould
Ignoring Paul and his wild hypothesis, I'm yet twigged to an interesting (perhaps only for me) 2 part question. 1) How many J would be required to melt greenland's glaciers, and 2) what is the glacier's energy uptake / outflow?

1) looks easy, 2) looks impossible. Actually, too bad 'cause 2) looks like something interesting to know. I wonder how IPCC is doing that?

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