http://www.physorg.com/news100963920.html
What are we going to do with this information, I wonder. Well vegetarians and vegans will have some explaining to do now, if they continue to kill plants and eat them. Knowing that plants have families...sentiments.
Over 20 years ago it was shown that if you killed a plant, other plants of the same species would react, that it could trigger defense mechanisms in them like the release of chemicals causing the leaves to taste horrible and such. Electrodes attached to leaves could also record a reaction in other plants when a plant nearby was harmed in any way. While plants are not capable of thought, it is debatable how much thought a sheep is capable of when they will walk into a forest fire or over a cliff and when you cut the head off of a chicken and it still walks about.
Perhaps Vegans should stick to food made of non-living chemicals, like McDonalds?
Perhaps Vegans should stick to food made of non-living chemicals, like McDonalds?
Hi all, I'm not Dana Scully, but maybe there is an easier and less esoteric explanation to the behavior of the plants. Plants of the same species keep the same kind of elements from the ground, then the portion available for each plants is smaller than the case where different kind of plants are planted together. Then the growth is smaller in the first case.
Vegans, kill the plants without remorse !
Vegans, kill the plants without remorse !
This article is not about kinds of plants, not about different species. It is about different plants in the same species with genetic relation to each other, that is, sharing the same ancestors. Plant's breed too you know, and apparently they are more friendly to each other when they are close genetic relations.
You can't believe how many times I wanted to say blood relatives in that paragraph.
You can't believe how many times I wanted to say blood relatives in that paragraph.
I know a financial firm that hooked up a Hibiscus to a fictional stock exchange and it broke all sales records that year.
Tastes are a spectrum like light. 2 bust u fat 4 healthier livin u have 2 turn 2 Etin blant tasting foods.
I think there are emotions in the plants...if not thoughts, sentiment then.
I believe that they love. I also think they are great food...and if we are what we eat, maybe we will become more sensitive too. Maybe eating more plants will cause us to become more loving to our family.
I believe that they love. I also think they are great food...and if we are what we eat, maybe we will become more sensitive too. Maybe eating more plants will cause us to become more loving to our family.
QUOTE (Valentiinro+Jun 15 2007, 06:21 PM)
This article is not about kinds of plants, not about different species. It is about different plants in the same species with genetic relation to each other, that is, sharing the same ancestors. Plant's breed too you know, and apparently they are more friendly to each other when they are close genetic relations.
You can't believe how many times I wanted to say blood relatives in that paragraph.
HOW DO THEY KNOW WHO IS THEIR RELATIVE AND WHO ISN'T? ARE THEY COMPARING DNA?
You can't believe how many times I wanted to say blood relatives in that paragraph.
HOW DO THEY KNOW WHO IS THEIR RELATIVE AND WHO ISN'T? ARE THEY COMPARING DNA?
I would guess based on no evidence except what I know of plant respiratory structure that they probably detect something like a smell. Maybe the pollens either do trigger or do not trigger a special grow to fight your enemies "immune" response. I don't have a microscope, research garden, or expertise on plants though, so go botanize elsewhere.
I would attribute it to say the kinship of twins, sharing space over time...sharing similar dna type structures...sharing the same mother and father plants...gee, isn't it obvious? 
I think that the authors are looking at such a small issue in the complexity of plant survival that it loses it's salience when looking at the whole picture.
Companionship Planting became well known in the 70's, and it works, for the reasons all here are saying. But companionship planting is the opposite of the article. You plant different plants with each other for optimum results. I.E., tomatoes and beans planted together grow better than on their own. Fennel constrains almost anything it is planted with. Cucumbers are planted far from canteloupes to not infect the taste. Your corn will yield better if you plant pumpkin throughout it. And while the authors of this article contend that like plants work well together below the surface, it becomes a weakness above. Diseases can proliferate in greenhouses growing one cultivar only, while greenhouses growing many varieties are easier to control. Root systems of like plants might get along better in confined spaces, but unlike plants' systems do fine together in the open, as anyone with a lively garden can attest.
Everything is reducable to chemical reactions. Even beliefs centered on spiritual based intelligence still requires a transition zone from the non-corporeal to the physical - from the mind/soul to the body - presumably via the chemo-electrical matrix of the brain. So intelligence, whether deliberate or evolutionary, still is reducable to chemical reactions, which are themselves constantly readjusting atomic states, resulting in the information transfer that we see as endless processes, including intelligence. In this view then, plants have to be intelligent to a point. Whether they are sentient is another issue. In the much - maligned "The Secret Life of Plants", circa 1973, many experimenters were profiled, some accredited and some dubious. The most questionable experiments dealt with plant 'emotions' and plant-owner recognition (by the plants of course). They are easy enough to duplicate and in this age much tighter parameters are available.
I have planted untold thousands of seeds, and nurtured many many kinds of plants. It is hard to objectify one's own subjective, emotional experiences. But my unofficial, unproven, unqualified take on this subject is that, after doing this so long now, I do sense a presence in plants that is beyond the mere sight/smell of them. Can I quantify this? Can I present data? Not at all.
Companionship Planting became well known in the 70's, and it works, for the reasons all here are saying. But companionship planting is the opposite of the article. You plant different plants with each other for optimum results. I.E., tomatoes and beans planted together grow better than on their own. Fennel constrains almost anything it is planted with. Cucumbers are planted far from canteloupes to not infect the taste. Your corn will yield better if you plant pumpkin throughout it. And while the authors of this article contend that like plants work well together below the surface, it becomes a weakness above. Diseases can proliferate in greenhouses growing one cultivar only, while greenhouses growing many varieties are easier to control. Root systems of like plants might get along better in confined spaces, but unlike plants' systems do fine together in the open, as anyone with a lively garden can attest.
Everything is reducable to chemical reactions. Even beliefs centered on spiritual based intelligence still requires a transition zone from the non-corporeal to the physical - from the mind/soul to the body - presumably via the chemo-electrical matrix of the brain. So intelligence, whether deliberate or evolutionary, still is reducable to chemical reactions, which are themselves constantly readjusting atomic states, resulting in the information transfer that we see as endless processes, including intelligence. In this view then, plants have to be intelligent to a point. Whether they are sentient is another issue. In the much - maligned "The Secret Life of Plants", circa 1973, many experimenters were profiled, some accredited and some dubious. The most questionable experiments dealt with plant 'emotions' and plant-owner recognition (by the plants of course). They are easy enough to duplicate and in this age much tighter parameters are available.
I have planted untold thousands of seeds, and nurtured many many kinds of plants. It is hard to objectify one's own subjective, emotional experiences. But my unofficial, unproven, unqualified take on this subject is that, after doing this so long now, I do sense a presence in plants that is beyond the mere sight/smell of them. Can I quantify this? Can I present data? Not at all.
If plants are considered as having feelings,i think vegans would die of starvation... what would they eat? rock? omg,.... i've not laughed that much since my dad's hospitalisation... i'm not mean, i know my dad's case is serious and he's on aceon but vegans tend to really make me laugh...
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