Axon909,


I just used this to get rpenners attention. I did get it.


drwahl6913,


[QUOTE]In your model when considering an object in motion with a velocity that red and blue shifting will occur the front portion of every atoms electron orbital would need to be compressed while the back portion is expanded. These would certainly be some odd shaped atoms.[/QUOTE]

They would not be odd shaped at all. Dilation just means expanded. Expanded just increases the wavelength of the photon produced in the expansion. (my belief).

[QUOTE] How far reaching would the dilated area of space reach?[/QUOTE]

If GR and SR equivalency holds as I suspect it should, it would be for the inverse square of the distance as a gradient. (my belief)

[QUOTE]Could it effect the compressed area of space in the atom directly behind. For instance if the O's below represent the atoms making up an object would there be a canceling effect for all the atoms in between the front and rear most atoms?[/QUOTE]

I used to think there was a dilation gradient through the ship from the front to the back. trout convinced me that inside the ship the dilation is uniform and the ship carries the momentum of light. In the opposite direction of motion I do not understand how an outside observer would see light traveling inside the ship at "c" in the observers frame, if the ship carries the lights momentum. Forward I can understand the A^2 + B^2 = C^2. (my belief)



[/QUOTE]Not true, if the space ship was approaching you light from both the front and rear would be blue shifted and if the space ship was traveling away from you light from both the front and rear would be red shifted.
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First thing you are correct because I said the center of the ship where the dilation is supposed to be uniform. Second I meant to say the ship was traveling perpendicular to the observer. But now after you changed the position that I was thinking of, I find it interesting. It does not matter the direction of travel. Light produced in the front of the direction of motion will be more energetic (shorter wavelength compressed) and light produced in the back of the direction of travel will be less energetic (longer wavelength dilated). If the ship was coming towards the observer the light produced in front will be blue shifted. If you create light in the back and use a mirror to reflect the light towards you, it will be red shifted. Remember wavelength does not change from creation. The mirror just reflects what an observer would see if the ship was moving away (red shifted). (my belief).

4Dguy,

Your entire space ship can be thought of as a single source of light. Imagine a single light bulb moving through space with a great velocity. Light is shinning in all directions. Depending on your observational position you can see light blue shifted from the bulb if the bulb is moving towards you. Another observer will see light as red shifted if their position is such that the bulb is traveling away. And yet other observers perpendicular to the movement of the bulb will notice no shift at all.

Dale

drwahl6913,



Unfortunately its a little more complicated. Its the dilation where you read it that determines the shift. The center of the light should be the mid point of the dilation if it is just a light moving (average of the two shifts). And when the light is perpendicular to you light has momentum so you do not see the light from perpendicular. You will see the light from the backward side. The distance and speed of the light determines how far towards the back of the light you see. Create a triangle in your mind following the light. A^2 is straight towards you B^2 is the path of the light bulb. C^2 is the momentum of the light until it reaches you. C^2 being towards the back of the bulb. You are seeing light given off at A^2 + B^2 distance before perpendicular creates the right angle. So light rotates to the back of the bulb and that is the light that reaches you.(my belief).

If the universe is rotating this would be the reason we see everything red shifted with the more distance the object the more red shifted we see it towards the back. There would be no difference between expansion and rotation. We also have the issue that we are on the outskirts of our galaxy and most of the light is created in the center of a galaxy so we see gravitational red shift from every galaxy. (My belief)

4Dguy; Posted: Sept 24 2009, 02:33AM

[comment-rm: Really, to rpenner, posted: Sep 17 2009, 06:29AM,

Jumped to your past post, and congratulate your moderation efforts.

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Since we share but one universe and they fact is that the electron and positron content of nucleons is transitory and vanishingly small, the base statement is false, and the assertion of likelihood is also false. That is of course using standard empirical probability theory where one runs some tests and build up a picture of the universe from the evidence. We have bounced so many protons until they broke than we have zero empirical evidence for electrons and positrons making up their bulk. We also have strong theoretical reasons -- indeed the definition of the electron as a colorless, spin-1/2 lepton of charge -1 and mass of about 0.5 MeV forbids electrons from co-habitating with the actual constituents of protons -- to believe no model of the proton requires the bulk to be electrons and positrons.
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rm: Use the planet Earth, the alleged fact that it's South Magnetic Pole (SMP) attracts protons from the Solar WInds, and at the present deposits these protons at the South Inertial Pole (SIP), and that the electrons are attracted to the present North Magnetic Pole (NMP) where is located the current North Inertial Pole (NIP).

The literature I have examined, Internet and Textbooks on hand, state that the S/NMPs switch such that the fissures that suggests our Earth is expanding due to the receiving of the hydrogen's plasma, the e- and proton+, for example, from Iceland to the Antarctica continental boundaries (please examine a globe of our planet, along the N/S fissures and note the E/W magnetic lines running N/S).

In short, our earth is expanding, the crust on top a plastic like membrane and the heated middle mantle to the Zirconium Silicon Oxide ZiSiO4, relatively thin lubricating and magnetic coating on the mostly iron middle core, too hot to sustain a magnetic field, the result of which causes that ZiSiO4 to switch the SMP and NMP.

Result, one each 125 million years the NIP gets mostly water, the SIP mostly protons, the deposition of the protoned continent recycles (subluxes), the literate I have read, states so far five times.

"Dialation" as I read above must mean that something increases it's area, so I connect such to the BH String Theory's g-string's diameter: the model? Each string has a fixed mass string (say equal to each of the individual masses at the end of the srting) or volume, dialation implies to me that the inverse square laws are consistent with the length of each g-string, the area increases as g-string lenth decreases, this makes sense visually, that is the connection to math, the picture graphics allows me, the student to doodle, get confused, and erase.

Or, the initial start of our Universe of choice, two near flat equal lateral triangles, one the mirror (antiparticle), perhaps comming together or repelling, let our minds pick the pictures, and this model matches the math that each part, vertexes and edges, themselves of equal mass, and expand into similar powers of + or - 3.

Words have their place with vision, math can take care of the division, we take care of the unifying.

See Man, Zee Man, Effects Affection for Physics.

Best, rm

4Dguy; Posted: Sept 24 2009, 02:33AM

[comment-rm: Really, to rpenner, posted: Sep 17 2009, 06:29AM,

Jumped to your past post, and congratulate your moderation efforts.

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Since we share but one universe and they fact is that the electron and positron content of nucleons is transitory and vanishingly small, the base statement is false, and the assertion of likelihood is also false. That is of course using standard empirical probability theory where one runs some tests and build up a picture of the universe from the evidence. We have bounced so many protons until they broke than we have zero empirical evidence for electrons and positrons making up their bulk. We also have strong theoretical reasons -- indeed the definition of the electron as a colorless, spin-1/2 lepton of charge -1 and mass of about 0.5 MeV forbids electrons from co-habitating with the actual constituents of protons -- to believe no model of the proton requires the bulk to be electrons and positrons.
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rm: Use the planet Earth, the alleged fact that it's South Magnetic Pole (SMP) attracts protons from the Solar WInds, and at the present deposits these protons at the South Inertial Pole (SIP), and that the electrons are attracted to the present North Magnetic Pole (NMP) where is located the current North Inertial Pole (NIP).

The literature I have examined, Internet and Textbooks on hand, state that the S/NMPs switch such that the fissures that suggests our Earth is expanding due to the receiving of the hydrogen's plasma, the e- and proton+, for example, from Iceland to the Antarctica continental boundaries (please examine a globe of our planet, along the N/S fissures and note the E/W magnetic lines running N/S).

In short, our earth is expanding, the crust on top a plastic like membrane and the heated middle mantle to the Zirconium Silicon Oxide ZiSiO4, relatively thin lubricating and magnetic coating on the mostly iron middle core, too hot to sustain a magnetic field, the result of which causes that ZiSiO4 to switch the SMP and NMP.

Result, one each 125 million years the NIP gets mostly water, the SIP mostly protons, the deposition of the protoned continent recycles (subluxes), the literate I have read, states so far five times.

"Dialation" as I read above must mean that something increases it's area, so I connect such to the BH String Theory's g-string's diameter: the model? Each string has a fixed mass string (say equal to each of the individual masses at the end of the srting) or volume, dialation implies to me that the inverse square laws are consistent with the length of each g-string, the area increases as g-string lenth decreases, this makes sense visually, that is the connection to math, the picture graphics allows me, the student to doodle, get confused, and erase.

Or, the initial start of our Universe of choice, two near flat equal lateral triangles, one the mirror (antiparticle), perhaps comming together or repelling, let our minds pick the pictures, and this model matches the math that each part, vertexes and edges, themselves of equal mass, and expand into similar powers of + or - 3.

Words have their place with vision, math can take care of the division, we take care of the unifying.

See Man, Zee Man, Effects Affection for Physics.

Best, rm

Did you really feel the need to post that crap twice?