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Nick
In singularities there is no more space time. Therefore there is no place for mass. Why then are black holes stable?

I say they only approach zero.
Zephir
QUOTE (Nick+Sep 15 2006, 03:21 AM)
In singularities there is no more space time. Therefore there is no place for mass. Why then are black holes stable?

A quite right question, but the absence of light doesn't mean the absence of matter by any way...wink.gif Try to consider dropplet or particle model of black hole (and Universe) by Aether Wave theory (AWT). If we consider the vacuum composed from particles like tiny droplets, the negative curvature of energy spreading results in strong repulsive force at short distance, thus effectively (but no definitelly) prohibiting the collapse of black hole.

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Nevertheless, the high pressure inside makes the particle motion chaotic and this is why, the elastic interactions, which are able to spread some energy or information are quite limited here. You can imagine, each the particle is surrounded by nearly infinite number of neighboring particles, so that all the forces will compensate each of other at low distances. As the result, the motion of matter inside black hole becomes highly chaotic and nearly no time arrow can be observed here (the time is "reversed" or even nearly "stopped" here).

Such chaotic environment behaves exactly like the free space, which is supposed at the very beginning of Universe, so that the AWT supposes, such environment has formed our Universe too. By such way, the Universe is formed by black holes interior recursively (see the animation on the right). Because such environment behaves like common matter, we can call it an Aether from the preEinsteinian era. As the mass of Universe increases, a big crunch of the matter appears spontaneously at the end, which can be considered as the further inflation period of new generation of Universe.
Nick
The point is if space-time ends there is no place for matter to exist.
Zephir
QUOTE (Nick+Sep 16 2006, 01:55 AM)
The point is if space-time ends there is no place for matter to exist.

The space disappears, whenever the motion of matter becomes fully chaotic. The chaotic motion of matter cannot be distinguished from emptiness.
Nick
Zeph>
The space disappears, whenever the motion of matter becomes fully chaotic. The chaotic motion of matter cannot be distinguished from emptiness.


Matter to emptiness? Your matter disappeared zeph.

That's what a black hole is supposed to do. It turns matter pinpoint. The matter that comes out of the poles of a black hole is being directed outword fro the center not the accretion disk.



solidspin
Nick -

I recommend you do not think about matter in the "massive" sense. If you take an electron and think of it (more precisely!) as merely a wavefunction, you'll have a better time of this.

Secondly, if you imagine an oscillation of two entangled particles, the space which entangles them is affine space - a space without length. So, you can still have a space (in the mathematical sense of the word) that has neither length nor time as basis sets.

-ss
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