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philip347
Dear fellow colleagues both domestic and foreign"

My quest here, is not to upset the petroleum users and developers, as more than likely in some fashion we will always need oil and petroleum distillates.

My quest here, is to say with noted changes within our own central sun, a very wise move would be to develop electric autos and trucks, as fast as possible.

In this link here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...-shrinking.html
our heliosphere aura is changing.No' this is not at all good as the amount of gamma rays that can now reach us, more than likely will have increased.

This new fact might mean going to the family beach spot, wearing white bed sheet type of cloths, due to the suns rays becoming voracious.

The ball is in your courts?

Can you, in your garages, own little budding private industries, start to develop a simple light weight, but safe auto and or truck or coined lorry, that s fills the ticket of the asked requesting consumer user?

This is big stuff as this type of situation has never come up before in Earth's history.

Ideas revolve around high performance, high use battery track packs for assisted primary to motor drive outputs.
*A choosing computer which regulates selected currents to both instrumentation and or direct motor drive use.
*A lightweight, but impact resistant auto frame, which will comply with the national safety standards asked of your particular nation.
*Advancements in wiring and instrumentation which will enable this vehicle to successfully compete with gasoline engines, if a competition war should break out?

A special appeal to countries that do not have finical clout, but have engineers, developers, who are willing to try.

In whatever situation you find yourself in, get to that junk yard, or even abandoned cars trucks that nobody wants and start to figure out how, if you were out of gasoline, that you could get the car that your working on, from point A, to B, with whatever materials you have?

Try,..don't just give up and say, "Well these rich British Americans or Japanese, they have all the money, I'll just sit in my little village and let the world go by“.
Don’t do that!

Go to your local junkyards and chase the snakes or scorpions off your junk and start working with it?

Then if you can, either go to a lawyer or solicitor near you and ask them if you can protect your idea, to make a company and or proposal and try your idea car to market.

Look at the little Yugo.This car was thought not to have had a chance, but still they brought it to market and this car is still making way.

Our atmosphere needs as least amounts of particulates from petroleum auto exhaust as possible really do not think that there is a choice in this matter, unless you want to evolve yourself into an armadillo type of human being, that has a leather type back like a pebble grained wallet..?!
philip347
How to do this now, as a primer:

One, you have two routes that you can go in the development of your either pure or solar powered assisted electric vehicle.
You can find a junked light-weight steel import either abandoned car, or purchase one from your local junk yard.

The second step, is to trim the metal weight of the shell of this import, down to an ideal weight. In order to do this, you must calculate the performance of your large electric motor’s output, to the auto transmission and how that battery pack, will propel your vehicle, a certain distance.

So if you can, try and estimate the exact weight, either through guessing, or an owners manual or a repair and maintenance book, on your vehicle atop bodies shell.

With a tin snips, remove all metal weight that is not needed.

In your note or journal book, which all projects should have, you will have to note your vehicles ideal weight and then what style this vehicle can be converted to at a later date, with a new body style.

Next you must get either a truck weight scale or if you can do it, a home made see saw, utilizing a very large log, with a platform weighted with stones on the other end, to keep your vehicle at its ideal weight.

In your journey here, you must elect officers of your little group, such as a coordinator, chief technician, a welder or metal fabricator, an electrician and parts gatherer.

You must also appoint a safety officer, as you will be working around batteries that can explode. So safety goggles and a bucket of water, with a large tube of baking soda, if either a spill or an explosion should occur, is a must.

Next you must go to an auto yard, to where many batteries are stored and gather these in.

You’ll need about thirty batteries to form a mass battery pack, which goes only to the motor for power.

You must start to calculate how a computer can balance other forms of power coming into the battery pack, can mix and balance this power, so you wont over-voltage any one area of your electrical system.
*This is where your electrical man comes in.

Other elements are an electric motor, which must be mated to the transmission that you have chosen to propel or move your wheels with.

You can obtain large used electric motors, either through a military surplus yard, or from a local airbase, that sometimes stores its used aircraft, as junked, at the back of the airbase.

You will have to calculate what power from the battery pack tray that your fashioning, that will turn this motor and at what rate to make your vehicle operate smoothly?

What is a good idea, is to at least run some pulley system, off of the flywheel or axel in some fashion, to turn an automotive alternating current generator, to power some of the accessories such as the radio?

This might give you some luxury if your actually using the vehicle around your village or town, so let the alternating current generator, tag along.

Solar cells, can be mounted on top of your cars outer body, and if enough of them are present, this input current, can be made to add to the battery pack, but this would have to be added by a computer.

So you will need the serives of a computer tinkered, as these current inputs, are so precise, that you must shunt this power in such a way, that the current does not backflow into your solar array. So you will need a diode array of some sort.

*Special note, NASA or the American Astronautics And Space Administrations out company list, has produced high quality solar cells. This was a while back in time. So if you can, try and find a company that manufactures affordable solar cells, that you can affix to the outside of your vehicle, which when sun shines on them, will contribute to the powering of the electric motor, via input to the battery pack?

OTHER: There are books that you can barrow from online or send away for on how to make your own electric vehicle.

If you should form a company with say twenty-five or so people, maybe more added on at a later time, you must seek the services of a barrister, solicitor or also said lawyer, in order for them to help you establish your company?

If the first production model goes okay and by letting the local citizens take it for drives and noting feedback, that you think that you should start your own electric auto or truck company, then you will have to choose a construction site, gain a loan or venture capitol or monies to start the project.

How you pay back your community later on, is probably by establishing a production industry or plant in your own village or town with will employ people and probably do something in return for your community.

An in-company recycler and ecologist is the most important part of your company, as you may have many used items, which can be sold at scrap rate and or be resmeltted back into steel.

So when it comes time for your plant ecologist and recycler to be sent to college, please give him or her the go-ahead and funding, as the Achilles heel of most companies, is that they are not enviorklment conscious.

So make product end utilization, one of the most important parts of your project.

You will have to produce a finished product, that has gone from a rough in-country setting, to a large modern building, which employs hundreds, if not thousands of people.

So the final details and legal work must be all ironed out, before the finanal product is sold.

I have just given you the rough work, for not only how to help our beleaguered Earth, but to improve your quality of life and living standard and become wealthy in the process.
danielhugo
Hi Philip347!
What you propose is a very good idea but before you start designing you electric car, you have to consider a few facts. In the first current suspension systems require heavy bodyworks and this adds a lot of weight to the vehicle. As rolling friction is a function of weight, this leads to a situation where 40% of power generated by the engine is lost in the tyres.
What you need is a suspension system that will allow you to use lighter bodyworks, which will be protected from the road irregularities by its very low transmissibility . If transmissibility is very low, you may use solid rubber tyres without tubes, with reduced rolling friction. Less weight associated with lower friction will mean less power necessary to move your vehicle. It will also allow the use of the motor as a generator to transform kinetic energy into electric energy when you brake.
Well, the good news is that this springless and damper-less suspension system has already been developed and you may see it here:

http://www.suspensionsaer.com.ar/

I strongly recommend you to learn about this suspension before starting work on your electric vehicle.
DavidD
In electric cars no need many transmisions, just back and foward, because anyway, who wans to kill himself on 100 km/h speed?
egnorant
This work is happening all around you.
I got interested in electric/hybrid cars a long time ago (1974).
recently I started a project with some college kids.
Used a junkyard car (1995 Ford Aspire) and other junkyard parts.
As work progressed the only original part left is the transmission.

Even the transmission is modified to the point that it will no longer work in a stock auto.
The electrical engineering is only a small part of the process.
But I am boggled by the electrical methods examined...

I'm just afraid that this work will stall (again) due to cheaper gas prices.

Bruce

philip347
Thnak you' for contributing to my thread!
IAMoraes
QUOTE (danielhugo+Oct 25 2008, 03:50 PM)
Well, the good news is that this springless and damper-less suspension system has already been developed and you may see it here:

http://www.suspensionsaer.com.ar/

"Exe" files doesn't work with iMacs.

But it's on youtube and it's very impressive:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I8j-JzOLTvM

Strangely, I am reminded that "Chaos" in the 80's already stated that there is a relationship between the fractal dimension of certain materials and their properties. Would this movement reduction be one of them? I wonder...

Nervertheless, suspensionsaer.com.ar is already arriving to us as a **production**, in typical advertising fashion. It is selling itself as a product, not as a part of your future, and the site is designed to hide more than reveal. That may be a serious mistake given the current economy. Also, it's "foreign" technology (they are speaking Spanish in the video) which means the patent will never be brought to market unless it is sold -not "licensed", I do mean "sold".

QUOTE
In this link here http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/...-shrinking.html
our heliosphere aura is changing.No' this is not at all good as the amount of gamma rays that can now reach us, more than likely will have increased.

The Sun's "loss" of 25% of the heliosphere is probably "normal" for this time of the "eon", but we don't have any records from millennia past to refer to.

There is a danger from the sun, and there is a danger to our planet from the carbon in the air. They are two separate issues. Cars have to evolve because they have no choice. I wouldn't worry about electric-car development just yet, especially because as all cars are, today and now, they are ill thought-out and no one is seeing the obvious: people use 5 tons of car to go buy groceries. Is it only me that thinks heavy cars should be reserved for police, health, and cargo transportation workers? The economy of materials is essential. Cars also take full-time attention of at least one person, when *driving* itself could be efficiently and inexpensively robotized as long as cars are smaller and there are little walls around roads. Once that is done, lots of street space will be taken over by its rightful owners: pedestrians. That said, yes, electricity seems to be the way to go because so far we have no other choices.

Mostly I am ignoring the biggest problem of all, which is: governments around the world have paid scant attention to mass transportation, which would have saved us from tons of problems that small and big cities have today, all over the world. Including pollution.

It's a worldwide problem: presently, the overall structure of large and small cities is a faint shadow of what it can become.
philip347
thanks
danielhugo
Hi IAMoraes,
I am glad to see you've found the video showing our prototype during a test carried out on a bumpy (cobble stones) street in La Plata, Buenos Aires, Argentina. It was very interesting to learn about your assessment of our web page (suspensionsaer.com.ar). However, I felt I had to explain a few things about our project that are not apparent. The Aerostatic Suspension System for Rolling Equipment and Vehicles (you may find the English text of this patent in the EU database) has been granted patents in a number of countries: US, France, Germany, Spain, India
and of course Argentina. We have filed for a patent in Brazil, but it is taking some more time there. We are not hiding absolutely nothing whatsoever, either in the official site or on the video.
The system resorts to static pressures present at all times in the atmosphere (atmospheric pressure) to mechanically float a bodywork+load, achieving a state that may be called 'neutral buoyancy'. It does so without the need of energy input. Cushion of air systems and magnetic levitation systems attain the same goal but there is a big difference: the first needs a 747 turbine to work and the second one requires a nuclear reactor to generate electricity for the coils.
Our system needs no energy input either when the vehicle is at rest or when it is in motion.
Its main characteristic is that transmissibility of the system is nil, 0, nothing, due to the fact that the movement of the wheels (up and down) is not transmitted to the body work.
Believe me, our page is not part of a commercial strategy to push an obscure contraption. I invented this system and have been working with a lot of people to transform this home-grown idea into a reality.
Bye for now and thanks for your interest!
IAMoraes
QUOTE (danielhugo+Dec 4 2008, 02:14 PM)
It was very interesting to learn about your assessment of our web page (suspensionsaer.com.ar).  However, I felt I had to explain a few things about our project that are not apparent

First things first, Daniel: what part of the Navier/Stokes equation have you solved?

If you have got an island of stability in a certain part of a system while the world shakes around it, then if you turn everything inside out, then you'd have a stationary tube of a certain shape as your "island of stability" while the "world" is a fluid inside it, going wild. So my question about the Navier/Stokes equation is logically equivalent to a question about a complete theory of flight, or about a complete theory of stability, and since neither one exists, I would guess the apparatus reduces turbulence to, say, something that is currently "predictable" (ma non troppo), and may be logically equivalent to a, say, 2 by 8 tube where a fluid runs more or less smoothly and "predictably". Model the machine behaviour in a computer and some of the N/S equations are solved.

That tubular "shape" is, of course, a wild guess since I don't know the first thing about fluids, tubes, or turbulence. I am just trying to keep things in order in my head, and it can only get there with dedicated machinery, even if it doesn't or can't exist.

Even if a Flight Theory Of Everything or Turbulence Theory Of Everything doesn't exist, it's all right; I wouldn't need it to predict that no single machine can fly in all conditions, all speeds, and all mediums, and that a plane is not a bird laugh.gif . Specific machinery for specific conditions is fine. I am modest: even a single machine would suffice me. It would prove birds can fly... laugh.gif

QUOTE
I invented this system and have been working with a lot of people to transform this home-grown idea into a reality.

Congratulations. Your very -very- impressive apparatus may be logically equivalent to a Navier/Stokes machine within the technically-limited field of its specific, intended use, because knowingly or not it would take advantage of specific flux equations that, in an inside-out world, would be equivalent to some of the solutions to N/S equations. There is a million-dollar prize for this.

As for my "assessment" of your site I was probably wrong too, so there! unsure.gif

Sorry.
danielhugo
Hi IAMoraes,
My vehicles don't fly! They just float by means of cylinders where there is vacuum inside and the atmospheric pressure acting on opposite faces of said cylinders generates the forces that allow the aerostatic suspension to work: in the prototype, the force on the lower face of cylinders is keeping the bodywork and load afloat and the force exerted on the upper face of pistons is transmitted mechanically to the wheel first and then to the ground. When the piston goes up the cylinder it is compressing the whole atmosphere, but given that its volume is so huge, very little change can be expected in atmospheric pressure. So you see, there's no place for Navier-Stokes equation here. I find it hard to understand why you are so upset!
bye for now
IAMoraes
QUOTE (danielhugo+Dec 4 2008, 03:54 PM)
I find it hard to understand why you are so upset!

Upset?!
danielhugo
Hi IAMoraes,
It's my turn to apologize now. You see, I misinterpreted your post when you compared my simple suspension with 'islands of stability' and 'fluid worlds'; this was on top of your previous post where you expressed your concern about our intentions. I got it wrong and this week was very stressful for me. I'm very sorry. And I want to thank you for your appreciation of the suspension system. I am persuaded (as a former Argentine President used to say) that some day in the not too distant future all vehicles will have this system. The reasons are extremely simple: It is unbeatable in the comfort it provides, it saves lot of energy (tires with lower rolling coefficient, absence of springs and dampers, lighter bodyworks for the same loads, no damage to roads and streets, etc., etc. You may have heard that even today, well into the XXI century, ships are still the cheapest means of transport. The aerostatic suspension system shares all the properties of water navigation with the sole exception that the density of air is 1/800th that of water, which translates into much smaller drag forces
I'm glad you watched and enjoyed the video!
Bye for now
Daniel
freefunder
QUOTE
I find it hard to understand why you are so upset!

can you do it?

you can read more tip and trick technology news in technetnews.net
philip347
Notes,: In order for a new auto industry to be successful, there would have to be want demand structures placed in each section of the automotive world, that would want to construct a new type of vehicle.

This for instance would be a solar structural shell exterior group. As both the solar cell input via electrical solar cells, would be a contributor to the auto’s new power production.
egnorant
I see these fun posts leading to all sorts of wild technology that easily distract from the basics of the original plea.

I have the privilege of working with some really smart college kids that are tackling the alternate transportation question.

I often feel the need to smack them back on track of their goal.
Efficiency, durability, practicality are the goals they initially set.
Its easy to for these young minds to detour to an exotic, expensive and unproven suspension system to use where a junkyard motorcycle spring will do the exact same job.

Bruce
Granouille
QUOTE (philip347+Jul 1 2009, 10:18 AM)
Notes,: In order for a new auto industry to be successful, there would have to be want demand structures placed in each section of the automotive world, that would want to construct a new type of vehicle.

This for instance would be a solar structural shell exterior group. As both the solar cell input via electrical solar cells, would be a contributor to the auto’s new power production.


Have you ever even heard of grammar? If you wish to appear to know anything, it would help your case to learn.

I forget, you're the one who thinks that Windows XP is in your head, eating what's left... rolleyes.gif
philip347
Re iqnorant ; These are just rough notes, to keep the idea going.
Barring us going into world war three, I feel that it is possible to switch to another type of vehicle. The problem I do see though, is standardization of concepts, so that most cars can achieve a new commance, but with differing technologies.

This would have to be some agreed standardization in certain areas, such as auto bodies, e-motors and the like. Once you standardize and idea, the price starts to come down.

philip347
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