This makes for a difficult search, and there is a lot of hyperbole on climate change, so pardon me if I have missed a
rational discussion of this topic . . .
Are there
any other comprehensive scientific investigations into climate change going on now? Or is it only the UN's Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change"?
The science of climate change is a field that is wayyyy too broad for any one person to understand,
and all the discussion I've heard on this is always one person quoting one piece of evidence, and the other quoting another piece. Ice core CO2 levels, methane vs. CO2, volcanoes belching and cows farting, Martian polar ice caps melting, . . . It's all missing the forest for the trees

Specifics of climatology do not really matter for you and me since we cannot weigh them properly in the overall scheme. Only an accurate overall view is worthwhile.
It seems to me there are
only two topics appropriate for amateurs to discuss about climate change:
1) Is the agency putting fourth a theory credible? Did they arrive at their theory transparently?
2) Has their data been validated by an independent agency? Have their "experiments" been reproduced as is normal in science?
Trying to elaborate a little further, I can be an amateur evolutionary scientist, finding fossils and cataloging them myself, and I understand enough about evolutionary theory to notice if something is out of place. But
there is no way I can be an amateur climate change scientist. So, the only way for me to appraise the science of climate change, and the only persuasion I can try and give to my inquiring acquaintances, is discussion of the scientific bodies putting fourth theories.
So, is the IPCC the only game in town? Has anyone seen this discussion anywhere else?
Thank you.
Greg Conquest
Most "climate change" is related to rebound from the Little Ice Age.
Explode a few class 5-7 volcanoes all at once, as per the middle ages and victorian age erruptions, and you get a frozen new york harbor and a frozen delaware river, and eventually a "year without a summer".
It has taken a few centuries for the earth to return to its medieval conditions, but it is almost back to normal, and now alarmists such as the Weather Channel are screaming bloody murder.
lengould
21st February 2008 - 03:34 PM
I feel it's important, pov anyone unfamiliar just browsing through, to note that the fact that your happy little concesus of a half-dozen energetic amateur AGW sceptics is no longer considered worth rebutting by any mainstreamers doesn't make them any more credible.
Where the heck do you guys get the energy anyway? Coal-powered doubters, I suppose.
Zarkov
24th February 2008 - 08:46 AM
[CODE]Most "climate change" is related to rebound from the Little Ice Age.[QUOTE]
LOL
the coming Ice Age has nothing to do with the past.....
Ice Clouds born from dry air are covering the planet... and y'all have brought it upon yourselves because you have fouled the waters of the world with your plaything... oil
nasty lot
you never ever thought of the future, the children.... just thought of yourselves and MONEY
Well freeze in HELL
yor_on
24th February 2008 - 11:46 AM
Hmm:)
Here In Sweden we've had the rainiest and mildest 'winter' i can remember.
Today its like being in California of old with a mild rain and very cloudy.
So I think the next ten years will be a turning point for us:)
But as for how it will express itself?
I guess that it may change very quickly as more and reinforcements 'do battle' with each other.
It seems as USA had had some strange weather too, with lots of storms?
Australia is still in a very 'dry' period if i got it right.
And the car industrys now call themselves green:)
I think that China will do the same about their Coal works too:)
As soon as that Olympiad starts
adoucette
24th February 2008 - 01:35 PM
QUOTE (yor_on+Feb 24 2008, 06:46 AM)
Hmm:)
Here In Sweden we've had the rainiest and mildest 'winter' i can remember.
Today its like being in California of old with a mild rain and very cloudy.
So I think the next ten years will be a turning point for us:)
Hmm?
January had a global average temp that was 0.17 C BELOW the 20th century average temps.
The extent of this cooling is fairly large since we ended the 20th century with global temps averaging ~ 0.6 C degrees ABOVE the 20th century average, and with MOST of the warming in the WINTER months in the Northern Hemisphere.
Arthur
yor_on
24th February 2008 - 02:06 PM
That's ok:)
I'm talking about home::))
But we'll see, won't we Arthur.
And I still say that we have to wait a little for the real 'fun' to begin.
adoucette
26th February 2008 - 10:17 PM
QUOTE (yor_on+Feb 24 2008, 09:06 AM)
But we'll see, won't we Arthur.
And I still say that we have to wait a little for the real 'fun' to begin.
Bultrox
8th March 2008 - 08:38 AM
Debate or Discussion on GW true or a fiction is not popular when you come into 2008,
Maybe you all live in the past?
Dont you know the opinion of the candidates of American Presedent?
They mainly Support a cap-and-trade system, and maybe another system: a dual Currency Model(Whitency and Greency) will be popular.
and Carbon Tax will be used in Canada:
B.C. introduces carbon tax
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