Emotional statement, complaint about negative feedback, complaint about percieved bullying, comment about N O M. Emotional statement, complaint about abuse by the FM, abuse of the FM, complaint about mob mentality.
Second, and third Hypocritical statements, more pointless whinging, hypocritical vow to persecute the FM, hypocritical request that others follow suite, hypocritical complaint about the quality of threads and posts in the forum.
Whinging, whining, more hypocritical statements and requests, emotional statement, comparisson to childhood events, complaints about sockpuppets, erroneous psych-analysis of the various members.
Closing emotional appeal for precisely the behaviour just finished complaining about.
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 13 2008, 06:25 PM)
Emotional statement, complaint about negative feedback, complaint about percieved bullying, comment about N O M. Emotional statement, complaint about abuse by the FM, abuse of the FM, complaint about mob mentality.
Second, and third Hypocritical statements, more pointless whinging, hypocritical vow to persecute the FM, hypocritical request that others follow suite, hypocritical complaint about the quality of threads and posts in the forum.
Whinging, whining, more hypocritical statements and requests, emotional statement, comparisson to childhood events, complaints about sockpuppets, erroneous psych-analysis of the various members.
Closing emotional appeal for precisely the behaviour just finished complaining about.
Aye, you summed it up perfectly, my friend. Absolutely brilliant.
I wonder when newton or PIATLAS will stumble across this?
Second, and third Hypocritical statements, more pointless whinging, hypocritical vow to persecute the FM, hypocritical request that others follow suite, hypocritical complaint about the quality of threads and posts in the forum.
Whinging, whining, more hypocritical statements and requests, emotional statement, comparisson to childhood events, complaints about sockpuppets, erroneous psych-analysis of the various members.
Closing emotional appeal for precisely the behaviour just finished complaining about.
Aye, you summed it up perfectly, my friend. Absolutely brilliant.
I wonder when newton or PIATLAS will stumble across this?
QUOTE (TheDoc+Mar 14 2008, 07:27 AM)
Aye, you summed it up perfectly, my friend. Absolutely brilliant.
I wonder when newton or PIATLAS will stumble across this?
One can but wonder. (Mayhaps hope).
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 13 2008, 06:32 PM)
One can but wonder. (Mayhaps hope).
I can see how it turns out:
newton: sock puppets. your all sock puppets.
TheDoc/Trippy/BDW: Prove it.
newton: i cant prove it, but i dont have to since you all brag about it!
TheDoc/Trippy/BDW: Prove that, too.
newton: i cant
TheDoc/Trippy/BDW: Then go away.
PIATLAS:I think you're all sock puppets too.
<cue repetition of previous act>
I can see how it turns out:
newton: sock puppets. your all sock puppets.
TheDoc/Trippy/BDW: Prove it.
newton: i cant prove it, but i dont have to since you all brag about it!
TheDoc/Trippy/BDW: Prove that, too.
newton: i cant
TheDoc/Trippy/BDW: Then go away.
PIATLAS:I think you're all sock puppets too.
<cue repetition of previous act>
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 13 2008, 06:25 PM)
Emotional statement, complaint about negative feedback, complaint about percieved bullying, comment about N O M. Emotional statement, complaint about abuse by the FM, abuse of the FM, complaint about mob mentality.
Second, and third Hypocritical statements, more pointless whinging, hypocritical vow to persecute the FM, hypocritical request that others follow suite, hypocritical complaint about the quality of threads and posts in the forum.
Whinging, whining, more hypocritical statements and requests, emotional statement, comparisson to childhood events, complaints about sockpuppets, erroneous psych-analysis of the various members.
Closing emotional appeal for precisely the behaviour just finished complaining about.
How true. Opposing sides will always be at loggerheads like this. And it's "their" fault of course.
I like amateur psychology, love it in fact. So here's my latest uncalled for observation. You will always help create and nurture the thing you want to judge. And here is the very essence of hypocrisy, because you pretend and complain you don't want it. Egos would melt like snowflakes in the sun when in the awareness of what unconditional love is and means. Your rejection of it is simply due to the darkness of spirit you prefer. That preference is temporary. You will all see the value of the higher ways eventually.
The Word of God is unconditional Love, heaven's abode.
Luke 8:4-15 When a great multitude came together, and people from every city were coming to him, he spoke by a parable. "The farmer went out to sow his seed. As he sowed,
some fell along the road, and it was trampled under foot,
and the birds of the sky devoured it. other seed fell on the rock, and as soon as it grew, it withered away,
because it had no moisture. Other fell amid the thorns, and the thorns grew with it, and choked it.
Other fell into the good ground, and grew, and brought forth fruit one hundred times."
As he said these things, he called out, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Then his disciples asked him, "What does this parable mean?"
He said, "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to the rest in parables; that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Those along the road are those who hear, then the devil comes,
and takes away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Those on the rock are they who, when they hear, receive the word with joy
but these have no root, who believe for a while, then fall away in time of temptation.
That which fell among the thorns, these are those who have heard,
and as they go on their way they are choked with cares, riches,
and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
That in the good ground, these are such as in an honest and good heart,
having heard the word, hold it tightly, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Second, and third Hypocritical statements, more pointless whinging, hypocritical vow to persecute the FM, hypocritical request that others follow suite, hypocritical complaint about the quality of threads and posts in the forum.
Whinging, whining, more hypocritical statements and requests, emotional statement, comparisson to childhood events, complaints about sockpuppets, erroneous psych-analysis of the various members.
Closing emotional appeal for precisely the behaviour just finished complaining about.
How true. Opposing sides will always be at loggerheads like this. And it's "their" fault of course.
I like amateur psychology, love it in fact. So here's my latest uncalled for observation. You will always help create and nurture the thing you want to judge. And here is the very essence of hypocrisy, because you pretend and complain you don't want it. Egos would melt like snowflakes in the sun when in the awareness of what unconditional love is and means. Your rejection of it is simply due to the darkness of spirit you prefer. That preference is temporary. You will all see the value of the higher ways eventually.
The Word of God is unconditional Love, heaven's abode.
Luke 8:4-15 When a great multitude came together, and people from every city were coming to him, he spoke by a parable. "The farmer went out to sow his seed. As he sowed,
some fell along the road, and it was trampled under foot,
and the birds of the sky devoured it. other seed fell on the rock, and as soon as it grew, it withered away,
because it had no moisture. Other fell amid the thorns, and the thorns grew with it, and choked it.
Other fell into the good ground, and grew, and brought forth fruit one hundred times."
As he said these things, he called out, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Then his disciples asked him, "What does this parable mean?"
He said, "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to the rest in parables; that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Those along the road are those who hear, then the devil comes,
and takes away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Those on the rock are they who, when they hear, receive the word with joy
but these have no root, who believe for a while, then fall away in time of temptation.
That which fell among the thorns, these are those who have heard,
and as they go on their way they are choked with cares, riches,
and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
That in the good ground, these are such as in an honest and good heart,
having heard the word, hold it tightly, and bring forth fruit with patience.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 13 2008, 06:46 PM)
<"higher-path-road-to-enlightenment-God's-love-rejection-of-darkness" philosophical nonsense snipped>
Like I said in your feedback, quoting the Bible won't get you very far here. Please, ditch the philosophical balderdash and go away.
Like I said in your feedback, quoting the Bible won't get you very far here. Please, ditch the philosophical balderdash and go away.
QUOTE (TheDoc+Mar 13 2008, 06:51 PM)
Like I said in your feedback, quoting the Bible won't get you very far here. Please, ditch the philosophical balderdash and go away.
'sright .... lay off the perverse verse bozo or we'll crucify ya!
'sright .... lay off the perverse verse bozo or we'll crucify ya!
I find it rather convenient that this self-righteous clown turns up just after we've evicted several trolls from the site. I'm guessing it's a sock-puppet of one of them trying to irritate us to death.
The parable of the sower is extremely scientific. From the individual who goes through life with doubts and troubles, experiences that give them light for a while, it not taking root, more experience, light/dark, experience. The family unit, the group mentality, national behavior, it's all plain to see.
Crucify me? Now there is an interesting angle. The story goes that an Innocent man was killed due to the jealousies within those from his religious background. And the story continues that this man that was killed asked for his killers to be forgiven, because they didn't know what they were doing. And that is the crux of the crucifix story, unconditional love. We are blind, t'ain't our fault, we need experience, and we come out of that experience eventually not like robots, but Gods that finally understand the value of free will. This is science, and the path to a complete understanding of things, IMO.
Crucify me? Now there is an interesting angle. The story goes that an Innocent man was killed due to the jealousies within those from his religious background. And the story continues that this man that was killed asked for his killers to be forgiven, because they didn't know what they were doing. And that is the crux of the crucifix story, unconditional love. We are blind, t'ain't our fault, we need experience, and we come out of that experience eventually not like robots, but Gods that finally understand the value of free will. This is science, and the path to a complete understanding of things, IMO.
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 13 2008, 07:16 PM)
I find it rather convenient that this self-righteous clown turns up just after we've evicted several trolls from the site. I'm guessing it's a sock-puppet of one of them trying to irritate us to death.
Light can be irritating. Wear dark glasses.
Light can be irritating. Wear dark glasses.
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 13 2008, 07:16 PM)
I find it rather convenient that this self-righteous clown turns up just after we've evicted several trolls from the site. I'm guessing it's a sock-puppet of one of them trying to irritate us to death.
Waattssa mattaa? You don't wanta marley's unconditional love?
on a serious note...except for the religious mumbo-jumbo, I think marley may have a point.
Waattssa mattaa? You don't wanta marley's unconditional love?
on a serious note...except for the religious mumbo-jumbo, I think marley may have a point.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 13 2008, 07:25 PM)
Light can be irritating. Wear dark glasses.
Light? .... such banal up ones own pooper-ness is as totally dark as it gets!
Light?
.... such banal up ones own pooper-ness is as totally dark as it gets!
QUOTE (vkamath+Mar 13 2008, 02:31 PM)
Waattssa mattaa? You don't wanta marley's unconditional love?
on a serious note...except for the religious mumbo-jumbo, I think marley may have a point.
Except for one thing...
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the cranks?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the FM?
At least 3.
How many times do members of the FM make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how all the cranks need to go?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many times do cranks make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how the FM needs to go?
Find me a thread that DOESN'T have such complaints in it...
The simple fact is, both sides engage in juvenile behavior, but one side far far more so than the other.
And keep in mind that this IS a physics/hard sciences forum, not a philosophy/sociology/psychology forum.
I agree with you that the FM is not perfect. I even sometimes get annoyed at the juvenile behavior FM members engage in, but FAR FAR more often I find myself aghast at the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t being spewed either in the name of "free-thinking" or in the name of "let's all just get along." by the cranks and wackos.
Tikay is one of the few people on this forum who claims to be working towards a harmony on this forum who DOESN'T regularly bash the FM, and that is why I respect her so much.
on a serious note...except for the religious mumbo-jumbo, I think marley may have a point.
Except for one thing...
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the cranks?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the FM?
At least 3.
How many times do members of the FM make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how all the cranks need to go?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many times do cranks make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how the FM needs to go?
Find me a thread that DOESN'T have such complaints in it...
The simple fact is, both sides engage in juvenile behavior, but one side far far more so than the other.
And keep in mind that this IS a physics/hard sciences forum, not a philosophy/sociology/psychology forum.
I agree with you that the FM is not perfect. I even sometimes get annoyed at the juvenile behavior FM members engage in, but FAR FAR more often I find myself aghast at the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t being spewed either in the name of "free-thinking" or in the name of "let's all just get along." by the cranks and wackos.
Tikay is one of the few people on this forum who claims to be working towards a harmony on this forum who DOESN'T regularly bash the FM, and that is why I respect her so much.
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 13 2008, 07:16 PM)
I find it rather convenient that this self-righteous clown turns up just after we've evicted several trolls from the site. I'm guessing it's a sock-puppet of one of them trying to irritate us to death.
QUOTE (marley+)
The parable of the sower is extremely scientific. From the individual who goes through life with doubts and troubles, experiences that give them light for a while, it not taking root, more experience, light/dark, experience. The family unit, the group mentality, national behavior, it's all plain to see.
Crucify me? Now there is an interesting angle. The story goes that an Innocent man was killed due to the jealousies within those from his religious background. And the story continues that this man that was killed asked for his killers to be forgiven, because they didn't know what they were doing. And that is the crux of the crucifix story, unconditional love. We are blind, t'ain't our fault, we need experience, and we come out of that experience eventually not like robots, but Gods that finally understand the value of free will. This is science, and the path to a complete understanding of things, IMO.
And as if to prove my point that you're a "Let's all be friends, reject the darkness!" loon, you post THAT. Brilliant!
Crucify me? Now there is an interesting angle. The story goes that an Innocent man was killed due to the jealousies within those from his religious background. And the story continues that this man that was killed asked for his killers to be forgiven, because they didn't know what they were doing. And that is the crux of the crucifix story, unconditional love. We are blind, t'ain't our fault, we need experience, and we come out of that experience eventually not like robots, but Gods that finally understand the value of free will. This is science, and the path to a complete understanding of things, IMO.
And as if to prove my point that you're a "Let's all be friends, reject the darkness!" loon, you post THAT. Brilliant!
QUOTE (vkamath+)
Waattssa mattaa? You don't wanta marley's unconditional love?
NO!
NO!
That fool marley needs to light up or leave us alone! Pardon the paraphrase.
He seems to be a sockpuppet, but for God's sakes, why? Why here?
Go to the crackpot religious "I wanna say something about God thread(s), and leave the comments and suggestions forum alone, won't you?
This crap is why I don't much bother with this place...
He seems to be a sockpuppet, but for God's sakes, why? Why here?
Go to the crackpot religious "I wanna say something about God thread(s), and leave the comments and suggestions forum alone, won't you?
This crap is why I don't much bother with this place...
QUOTE (Sapo+Mar 13 2008, 08:39 PM)
That fool marley needs to light up or leave us alone! Pardon the paraphrase.
He seems to be a sockpuppet, but for God's sakes, why? Why here?
Go to the crackpot religious "I wanna say something about God thread(s), and leave the comments and suggestions forum alone, won't you?
This crap is why I don't much bother with this place...
I wholeheartedly agree Sapo. He's yet another religious embrace-the-light-reject-the-darkness-follow-God's-love-let's-all-get-along wacko.
He seems to be a sockpuppet, but for God's sakes, why? Why here?
Go to the crackpot religious "I wanna say something about God thread(s), and leave the comments and suggestions forum alone, won't you?
This crap is why I don't much bother with this place...
I wholeheartedly agree Sapo. He's yet another religious embrace-the-light-reject-the-darkness-follow-God's-love-let's-all-get-along wacko.
I'll say Gongyo for him... 
QUOTE (BDW+)
Except for one thing...
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the cranks?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the FM?
At least 3.
True. But almost all threads on this forum has become about FM Vs Cranks. If there were no cranks, I would assume 75% of the FM would have nothing to post.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the cranks?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the FM?
At least 3.
True. But almost all threads on this forum has become about FM Vs Cranks. If there were no cranks, I would assume 75% of the FM would have nothing to post.
QUOTE (BDW+)
How many times do members of the FM make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how all the cranks need to go?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many times do cranks make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how the FM needs to go?
Find me a thread that DOESN'T have such complaints in it...
whaaat? I thought the entire premise behind the existence of the FM was to make the cranks go.
None, that I've ever seen.
How many times do cranks make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how the FM needs to go?
Find me a thread that DOESN'T have such complaints in it...
whaaat? I thought the entire premise behind the existence of the FM was to make the cranks go.
QUOTE (BDW+)
The simple fact is, both sides engage in juvenile behavior, but one side far far more so than the other.
True.
True.
QUOTE (BDW+)
And keep in mind that this IS a physics/hard sciences forum, not a philosophy/sociology/psychology forum.
True. But there are also sections here for Creation/Evolution or Comments/Suggestions. Also, science cannot be debated in isolation as it is very much tied with almost every other field.
True. But there are also sections here for Creation/Evolution or Comments/Suggestions. Also, science cannot be debated in isolation as it is very much tied with almost every other field.
QUOTE (BDW+)
I agree with you that the FM is not perfect. I even sometimes get annoyed at the juvenile behavior FM members engage in, but FAR FAR more often I find myself aghast at the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t being spewed either in the name of "free-thinking" or in the name of "let's all just get along." by the cranks and wackos.
Tikay is one of the few people on this forum who claims to be working towards a harmony on this forum who DOESN'T regularly bash the FM, and that is why I respect her so much.
I usually try to ignore the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t as I have done to some extent with Parsons for example. Tikay is one of the most mature, compassionate individuals who has understood humans inside out. I am glad she is on this forum.
Edit: added quote tags in the right places
Tikay is one of the few people on this forum who claims to be working towards a harmony on this forum who DOESN'T regularly bash the FM, and that is why I respect her so much.
I usually try to ignore the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t as I have done to some extent with Parsons for example. Tikay is one of the most mature, compassionate individuals who has understood humans inside out. I am glad she is on this forum.
Edit: added quote tags in the right places
QUOTE (vkamath+Mar 13 2008, 04:21 PM)
True. But almost all threads on this forum has become about FM Vs Cranks. If there were no cranks, I would assume 75% of the FM would have nothing to post.
Well, I disagree over the numbers, but yeah, there'd be one or two mafioso who wouldn't have anything to post. I know I would post less, myself.
No, just to point out the inane and pseudo-scientific claptrap that goes on around here. And most of the FM enjoy doing so, myself included.
Besides, even if that WERE the FM's purpose, that doesn't make what I said wrong.
No, just to point out the inane and pseudo-scientific claptrap that goes on around here. And most of the FM enjoy doing so, myself included.
Besides, even if that WERE the FM's purpose, that doesn't make what I said wrong.
True. But there are also sections here for Creation/Evolution or Comments/Suggestions. Also, science cannot be debated in isolation as it is very much tied with almost every other field.
Good point. But this is STILL devoted to physics and hard sciences. Those should be the primary focus of most threads, not pseudo-science and personal squabbles. While I DO contribute to quite a bit of the drama that goes on here, I have MUCH more fun participating in threads in which science is actually discussed. In fact, absent those threads, I would have left this forum long ago.
I would, but that sort of claptrap is morally repugnant to me. I truly and honestly despise those who pretend to know what they do not know, and present misinformation to the masses, and I do not (as those who dislike me would have you believe) have some inferiority complex that must be assuaged by heaping abuse upon those with whom I disagree.
Remember Eugenics? That was people presenting pseudo-scientific ideas as hard science, and other people suffering as a result. I find that to be a tragedy of the worst sort, because people don't even understand the tragedy of it all until it's too late...
I would, but that sort of claptrap is morally repugnant to me. I truly and honestly despise those who pretend to know what they do not know, and present misinformation to the masses, and I do not (as those who dislike me would have you believe) have some inferiority complex that must be assuaged by heaping abuse upon those with whom I disagree.
Remember Eugenics? That was people presenting pseudo-scientific ideas as hard science, and other people suffering as a result. I find that to be a tragedy of the worst sort, because people don't even understand the tragedy of it all until it's too late...
Tikay is one of the most mature, compassionate individuals who has understood humans inside out. I am glad she is on this forum.
As am I. She is one of the few people who force me to stop and think about what I intend to say before I say it, and when she disagrees with me, I stop to examine my own position before proceeding.
Oh well, we'll just let you do your thing, and see what happens, Squeeze.
Yes you do that, let me do my thing and you do yours, Albert.
I don't see why you are so negative about unconditional love, your girlfriend is obviously highly skilled at it.
This is the best. Just a little prodding (And civilly at first, escalating only as you leads me to) and we get this sort of worthless, emotionally immature crap.
It's nice to see you understand the difference in intelligence levels between us, Squeeze. I like "Albert." Think it'll stick?
Is that suppose to upset me? To get me "Frothing" and "boiling hot?"
Not working, Squeeze. Try harder; I do have my buttons after all, just like everyone else. Of course, I doubt you could find my buttons, and even if you did, I doubt you could think up something to say that would push them, but feel free to try! I do so love people who come to this board preaching about respect and love and then turn around and show how petty they can truly be, when things don't go their way.
Especially after being caught lying. Lies just make the hypocrisy all the sweeter, don't you think, Squeeze?
Well, I disagree over the numbers, but yeah, there'd be one or two mafioso who wouldn't have anything to post. I know I would post less, myself.
QUOTE
whaaat? I thought the entire premise behind the existence of the FM was to make the cranks go.
No, just to point out the inane and pseudo-scientific claptrap that goes on around here. And most of the FM enjoy doing so, myself included.
Besides, even if that WERE the FM's purpose, that doesn't make what I said wrong.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| whaaat? I thought the entire premise behind the existence of the FM was to make the cranks go. |
No, just to point out the inane and pseudo-scientific claptrap that goes on around here. And most of the FM enjoy doing so, myself included.
Besides, even if that WERE the FM's purpose, that doesn't make what I said wrong.
True. But there are also sections here for Creation/Evolution or Comments/Suggestions. Also, science cannot be debated in isolation as it is very much tied with almost every other field.
Good point. But this is STILL devoted to physics and hard sciences. Those should be the primary focus of most threads, not pseudo-science and personal squabbles. While I DO contribute to quite a bit of the drama that goes on here, I have MUCH more fun participating in threads in which science is actually discussed. In fact, absent those threads, I would have left this forum long ago.
QUOTE
I usually try to ignore the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t as I have done to some extent with Parsons for example.
I would, but that sort of claptrap is morally repugnant to me. I truly and honestly despise those who pretend to know what they do not know, and present misinformation to the masses, and I do not (as those who dislike me would have you believe) have some inferiority complex that must be assuaged by heaping abuse upon those with whom I disagree.
Remember Eugenics? That was people presenting pseudo-scientific ideas as hard science, and other people suffering as a result. I find that to be a tragedy of the worst sort, because people don't even understand the tragedy of it all until it's too late...
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| I usually try to ignore the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t as I have done to some extent with Parsons for example. |
I would, but that sort of claptrap is morally repugnant to me. I truly and honestly despise those who pretend to know what they do not know, and present misinformation to the masses, and I do not (as those who dislike me would have you believe) have some inferiority complex that must be assuaged by heaping abuse upon those with whom I disagree.
Remember Eugenics? That was people presenting pseudo-scientific ideas as hard science, and other people suffering as a result. I find that to be a tragedy of the worst sort, because people don't even understand the tragedy of it all until it's too late...
Tikay is one of the most mature, compassionate individuals who has understood humans inside out. I am glad she is on this forum.
As am I. She is one of the few people who force me to stop and think about what I intend to say before I say it, and when she disagrees with me, I stop to examine my own position before proceeding.
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+)
As am I. She is one of the few people who force me to stop and think about what I intend to say before I say it, and when she disagrees with me, I stop to examine my own position before proceeding.
Thirded. She's a bit naive but without a doubt one of the sweetest, kindest, logical people on this board.
Thirded. She's a bit naive but without a doubt one of the sweetest, kindest, logical people on this board.
I'm not too sure that naivety is the salient point in Tikay's case. I find her to be on-target very often, just in a way I wouldn't get to so soon. (I'm doomed! 
) 
)
... and yet tikay would be the first to admit she is a crank.
QUOTE (N O M+Mar 13 2008, 05:08 PM)
... and yet tikay would be the first to admit she is a crank.
Which is rather ironic, considering the fact that she is not one.
Which is rather ironic, considering the fact that she is not one.
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 13 2008, 10:27 PM)
Which is rather ironic, considering the fact that she is not one.
Oh, my no! She is one of the more sane among us!
Dear heart and true.
Dear heart and true.
My first memorable encounter with tikay was in this thread on crop circles.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 13 2008, 06:46 PM)
How true. Opposing sides will always be at loggerheads like this. And it's "their" fault of course.
That's just true when the people don't agree on the ground rules. There are several classes of persons who make poor company in Internet discussions:
That's just true when the people don't agree on the ground rules. There are several classes of persons who make poor company in Internet discussions:
- People who say they are always right consist of a team of one. Having asserted that they are right, they deny the whole rest of the world the potentially to be right and hold different opinions, and so deny their humanity. Typically such people pontificate without ever engaging in a dialog. People who don't respect that other people might have different opinions on areas where the facts are not in yet in, hold themselves separate from the bulk of humanity. But not to their good reputation.
- People who deny facts are important are liars. Everyone has to plan and order their actions in certain ways just to get through the day, and they use facts.
- People who are unswayed by facts and valid syllogisms must gain their insights by ineffable means such as appeal to some odd authority or intuition. The correctness of these views has historically been impossible to communicate.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon can not be used to reliably interpret documents written in that jargon. By failing to realize that words mean what their author meant them to mean, and not the reader's preconceptions of what the words were meant to mean, the person has done himself a disservice by reading such material and can only corruptly communicate it to others.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon should do themselves a favor and clearly define those terms or better yet, avoid giving new meanings to old words. When people use jargon, it lends credibility to their discussion of a field, but that credibility will be taken away with interest if it is discovered that they are using dodgy definitions.
- People who dismiss education as valueless are making a false generalization based on their own unfortunate experiences. Education is not and cannot be the sole deciding factor in who is right, but a person with more education at a minimum has access to more facts.
- People who don't respect that their might exist other people who might have more learned opinions on areas where they are not a court-certified expert witness are people who do not respect the importance of testing claims. They are the preferred victim of the con artist.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 14 2008, 07:46 AM)
How true. Opposing sides will always be at loggerheads like this. And it's "their" fault of course.
I like amateur psychology, love it in fact. So here's my latest uncalled for observation. You will always help create and nurture the thing you want to judge. And here is the very essence of hypocrisy, because you pretend and complain you don't want it. Egos would melt like snowflakes in the sun when in the awareness of what unconditional love is and means. Your rejection of it is simply due to the darkness of spirit you prefer. That preference is temporary. You will all see the value of the higher ways eventually.
The Word of God is unconditional Love, heaven's abode.
Luke 8:4-15 When a great multitude came together, and people from every city were coming to him, he spoke by a parable. "The farmer went out to sow his seed. As he sowed,
some fell along the road, and it was trampled under foot,
and the birds of the sky devoured it. other seed fell on the rock, and as soon as it grew, it withered away,
because it had no moisture. Other fell amid the thorns, and the thorns grew with it, and choked it.
Other fell into the good ground, and grew, and brought forth fruit one hundred times."
As he said these things, he called out, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Then his disciples asked him, "What does this parable mean?"
He said, "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to the rest in parables; that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Those along the road are those who hear, then the devil comes,
and takes away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Those on the rock are they who, when they hear, receive the word with joy
but these have no root, who believe for a while, then fall away in time of temptation.
That which fell among the thorns, these are those who have heard,
and as they go on their way they are choked with cares, riches,
and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
That in the good ground, these are such as in an honest and good heart,
having heard the word, hold it tightly, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Failed to understand my point while at the same time making it for me.
Moreover, if you bothered looking into the origins of the FM, you'd see that it is simply the self proclaimed cranks reaping what they sowed.
The whole thing started with a comment, by a self proclaimed crank, that was intended to compare the actions of a small group of people in correcting errors made by others so they might have the chance to learn something, as being comparable with the criminal actions of the mafia (or any secret organization) in siliencing anyone who disagreed with them.
But rather then complaining about it, in a jesture of, I suppose Irony and Sarcasm, the individual took the titles upon themselves.
I like amateur psychology, love it in fact. So here's my latest uncalled for observation. You will always help create and nurture the thing you want to judge. And here is the very essence of hypocrisy, because you pretend and complain you don't want it. Egos would melt like snowflakes in the sun when in the awareness of what unconditional love is and means. Your rejection of it is simply due to the darkness of spirit you prefer. That preference is temporary. You will all see the value of the higher ways eventually.
The Word of God is unconditional Love, heaven's abode.
Luke 8:4-15 When a great multitude came together, and people from every city were coming to him, he spoke by a parable. "The farmer went out to sow his seed. As he sowed,
some fell along the road, and it was trampled under foot,
and the birds of the sky devoured it. other seed fell on the rock, and as soon as it grew, it withered away,
because it had no moisture. Other fell amid the thorns, and the thorns grew with it, and choked it.
Other fell into the good ground, and grew, and brought forth fruit one hundred times."
As he said these things, he called out, "He who has ears to hear, let him hear!"
Then his disciples asked him, "What does this parable mean?"
He said, "To you it is given to know the mysteries of the Kingdom of God, but to the rest in parables; that ‘seeing they may not see, and hearing they may not understand.’
Now the parable is this: The seed is the word of God.
Those along the road are those who hear, then the devil comes,
and takes away the word from their heart, that they may not believe and be saved.
Those on the rock are they who, when they hear, receive the word with joy
but these have no root, who believe for a while, then fall away in time of temptation.
That which fell among the thorns, these are those who have heard,
and as they go on their way they are choked with cares, riches,
and pleasures of life, and bring no fruit to maturity.
That in the good ground, these are such as in an honest and good heart,
having heard the word, hold it tightly, and bring forth fruit with patience.
Failed to understand my point while at the same time making it for me.
Moreover, if you bothered looking into the origins of the FM, you'd see that it is simply the self proclaimed cranks reaping what they sowed.
The whole thing started with a comment, by a self proclaimed crank, that was intended to compare the actions of a small group of people in correcting errors made by others so they might have the chance to learn something, as being comparable with the criminal actions of the mafia (or any secret organization) in siliencing anyone who disagreed with them.
But rather then complaining about it, in a jesture of, I suppose Irony and Sarcasm, the individual took the titles upon themselves.
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 14 2008, 09:20 AM)
Except for one thing...
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the cranks?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the FM?
At least 3.
How many times do members of the FM make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how all the cranks need to go?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many times do cranks make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how the FM needs to go?
Find me a thread that DOESN'T have such complaints in it...
The simple fact is, both sides engage in juvenile behavior, but one side far far more so than the other.
And keep in mind that this IS a physics/hard sciences forum, not a philosophy/sociology/psychology forum.
I agree with you that the FM is not perfect. I even sometimes get annoyed at the juvenile behavior FM members engage in, but FAR FAR more often I find myself aghast at the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t being spewed either in the name of "free-thinking" or in the name of "let's all just get along." by the cranks and wackos.
Tikay is one of the few people on this forum who claims to be working towards a harmony on this forum who DOESN'T regularly bash the FM, and that is why I respect her so much.
Thankyou for helping make my point.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the cranks?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many threads are there about how this forum needs to kick off all the FM?
At least 3.
How many times do members of the FM make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how all the cranks need to go?
None, that I've ever seen.
How many times do cranks make an off-topic post in a comment/feedback thread about how the FM needs to go?
Find me a thread that DOESN'T have such complaints in it...
The simple fact is, both sides engage in juvenile behavior, but one side far far more so than the other.
And keep in mind that this IS a physics/hard sciences forum, not a philosophy/sociology/psychology forum.
I agree with you that the FM is not perfect. I even sometimes get annoyed at the juvenile behavior FM members engage in, but FAR FAR more often I find myself aghast at the bigoted, insecure, juvenile bullsh*t being spewed either in the name of "free-thinking" or in the name of "let's all just get along." by the cranks and wackos.
Tikay is one of the few people on this forum who claims to be working towards a harmony on this forum who DOESN'T regularly bash the FM, and that is why I respect her so much.
Thankyou for helping make my point.
QUOTE (rpenner+Mar 14 2008, 11:59 AM)
That's just true when the people don't agree on the ground rules. There are several classes of persons who make poor company in Internet discussions:
Thankyou, well spoken as always.
- People who say they are always right consist of a team of one. Having asserted that they are right, they deny the whole rest of the world the potentially to be right and hold different opinions, and so deny their humanity. Typically such people pontificate without ever engaging in a dialog. People who don't respect that other people might have different opinions on areas where the facts are not in yet in, hold themselves separate from the bulk of humanity. But not to their good reputation.
- People who deny facts are important are liars. Everyone has to plan and order their actions in certain ways just to get through the day, and they use facts.
- People who are unswayed by facts and valid syllogisms must gain their insights by ineffable means such as appeal to some odd authority or intuition. The correctness of these views has historically been impossible to communicate.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon can not be used to reliably interpret documents written in that jargon. By failing to realize that words mean what their author meant them to mean, and not the reader's preconceptions of what the words were meant to mean, the person has done himself a disservice by reading such material and can only corruptly communicate it to others.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon should do themselves a favor and clearly define those terms or better yet, avoid giving new meanings to old words. When people use jargon, it lends credibility to their discussion of a field, but that credibility will be taken away with interest if it is discovered that they are using dodgy definitions.
- People who dismiss education as valueless are making a false generalization based on their own unfortunate experiences. Education is not and cannot be the sole deciding factor in who is right, but a person with more education at a minimum has access to more facts.
- People who don't respect that their might exist other people who might have more learned opinions on areas where they are not a court-certified expert witness are people who do not respect the importance of testing claims. They are the preferred victim of the con artist.
Thankyou, well spoken as always.
QUOTE (rpenner+Mar 13 2008, 10:59 PM)
That's just true when the people don't agree on the ground rules. There are several classes of persons who make poor company in Internet discussions:
Yet another well written post by rpenner. How typical
Just kidding man Well said.
- People who say they are always right consist of a team of one. Having asserted that they are right, they deny the whole rest of the world the potentially to be right and hold different opinions, and so deny their humanity. Typically such people pontificate without ever engaging in a dialog. People who don't respect that other people might have different opinions on areas where the facts are not in yet in, hold themselves separate from the bulk of humanity. But not to their good reputation.
- People who deny facts are important are liars. Everyone has to plan and order their actions in certain ways just to get through the day, and they use facts.
- People who are unswayed by facts and valid syllogisms must gain their insights by ineffable means such as appeal to some odd authority or intuition. The correctness of these views has historically been impossible to communicate.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon can not be used to reliably interpret documents written in that jargon. By failing to realize that words mean what their author meant them to mean, and not the reader's preconceptions of what the words were meant to mean, the person has done himself a disservice by reading such material and can only corruptly communicate it to others.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon should do themselves a favor and clearly define those terms or better yet, avoid giving new meanings to old words. When people use jargon, it lends credibility to their discussion of a field, but that credibility will be taken away with interest if it is discovered that they are using dodgy definitions.
- People who dismiss education as valueless are making a false generalization based on their own unfortunate experiences. Education is not and cannot be the sole deciding factor in who is right, but a person with more education at a minimum has access to more facts.
- People who don't respect that their might exist other people who might have more learned opinions on areas where they are not a court-certified expert witness are people who do not respect the importance of testing claims. They are the preferred victim of the con artist.
Yet another well written post by rpenner. How typical
Just kidding man
Well said.
And, as always, Trippy is quicker to the draw than I. Thank you, rpenner!
Edit: And TheDoc...
Edit: And TheDoc...
QUOTE (Sapo+)
And, as always, Trippy is quicker to the draw than I. Thank you, rpenner!
Edit: And TheDoc...
Edit: And TheDoc...
QUOTE (rpenner+Mar 13 2008, 10:59 PM)
That's just true when the people don't agree on the ground rules. There are several classes of persons who make poor company in Internet discussions:
Thanks, that's a good post. I fear that the scientist has to be prepared for a growing number of people that have the kind of frustrating attitude you highlight. With knowledge being available more freely I think those that haven't really come to terms with a scientific approach will make all manner of claims, which I agree often deserve quite an unbelieving headshake. But some claims have always had the weight of the world against them to begin with. In some ways it will stop science becoming too polarized, just in case it was ever on the way to becoming.
Everything in life comes at a price, be it a reward or a loss in some ways . I personally trust intuition more than a scientist is able to. I do not wish to contradict a fact, but am open to the possibility that there is more to a fact that may at first seem the case. This coincides with one of your points where some people find it hard to accept opinions of others.
Skeptic - "Why is it I can't seem to experience this creator and spirit you guys go on about"
Answer - skepticism
No offence intended here, I'm just highlighting that the very skill required within one discipline can be the very skill missing in another. It isn't as though we are at a stage here where all this so called spiritual mumbo jumbo has been exposed as a lie. If it has been I really would have heard about it. In real life there is much more evidence of spirit than is sometimes apparent within the things unearthed through science. Millions and millions of peopel claim they are in touch with their spiritual side. And it is because of this availability of different knowledge nowadays that the loggerhead syndrome is going to be like a tool that will further refine many different disciplines. It will bring more of the diverse tyypes closer together.
Yet all in all I appreciate the points you have made, and will endevour to be influenced in a more positive way by them.
- People who say they are always right consist of a team of one. Having asserted that they are right, they deny the whole rest of the world the potentially to be right and hold different opinions, and so deny their humanity. Typically such people pontificate without ever engaging in a dialog. People who don't respect that other people might have different opinions on areas where the facts are not in yet in, hold themselves separate from the bulk of humanity. But not to their good reputation.
- People who deny facts are important are liars. Everyone has to plan and order their actions in certain ways just to get through the day, and they use facts.
- People who are unswayed by facts and valid syllogisms must gain their insights by ineffable means such as appeal to some odd authority or intuition. The correctness of these views has historically been impossible to communicate.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon can not be used to reliably interpret documents written in that jargon. By failing to realize that words mean what their author meant them to mean, and not the reader's preconceptions of what the words were meant to mean, the person has done himself a disservice by reading such material and can only corruptly communicate it to others.
- People who want to use entirely different meanings for specialized jargon should do themselves a favor and clearly define those terms or better yet, avoid giving new meanings to old words. When people use jargon, it lends credibility to their discussion of a field, but that credibility will be taken away with interest if it is discovered that they are using dodgy definitions.
- People who dismiss education as valueless are making a false generalization based on their own unfortunate experiences. Education is not and cannot be the sole deciding factor in who is right, but a person with more education at a minimum has access to more facts.
- People who don't respect that their might exist other people who might have more learned opinions on areas where they are not a court-certified expert witness are people who do not respect the importance of testing claims. They are the preferred victim of the con artist.
Thanks, that's a good post. I fear that the scientist has to be prepared for a growing number of people that have the kind of frustrating attitude you highlight. With knowledge being available more freely I think those that haven't really come to terms with a scientific approach will make all manner of claims, which I agree often deserve quite an unbelieving headshake. But some claims have always had the weight of the world against them to begin with. In some ways it will stop science becoming too polarized, just in case it was ever on the way to becoming.
Everything in life comes at a price, be it a reward or a loss in some ways . I personally trust intuition more than a scientist is able to. I do not wish to contradict a fact, but am open to the possibility that there is more to a fact that may at first seem the case. This coincides with one of your points where some people find it hard to accept opinions of others.
Skeptic - "Why is it I can't seem to experience this creator and spirit you guys go on about"
Answer - skepticism
No offence intended here, I'm just highlighting that the very skill required within one discipline can be the very skill missing in another. It isn't as though we are at a stage here where all this so called spiritual mumbo jumbo has been exposed as a lie. If it has been I really would have heard about it. In real life there is much more evidence of spirit than is sometimes apparent within the things unearthed through science. Millions and millions of peopel claim they are in touch with their spiritual side. And it is because of this availability of different knowledge nowadays that the loggerhead syndrome is going to be like a tool that will further refine many different disciplines. It will bring more of the diverse tyypes closer together.
Yet all in all I appreciate the points you have made, and will endevour to be influenced in a more positive way by them.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 13 2008, 06:39 PM)
Thanks, that's a good post.
It was. A most excellent post, in fact.
Shame you don't see how it applies to you.
Shame you don't see how your own response to it applies to you.
Oh well, we'll just let you do your thing, and see what happens, Squeeze.
It was. A most excellent post, in fact.
Shame you don't see how it applies to you.
Shame you don't see how your own response to it applies to you.
Oh well, we'll just let you do your thing, and see what happens, Squeeze.
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 14 2008, 12:06 AM)
Oh well, we'll just let you do your thing, and see what happens, Squeeze.
Yes you do that, let me do my thing and you do yours, Albert.
I don't see why you are so negative about unconditional love, your girlfriend is obviously highly skilled at it.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 14 2008, 01:45 PM)
Yes you do that, let me do my thing and you do yours
Fine. Just go away and do it somewhere else.
Fine. Just go away and do it somewhere else.
QUOTE (marley+Mar 13 2008, 07:45 PM)
Yes you do that, let me do my thing and you do yours, Albert.
I don't see why you are so negative about unconditional love, your girlfriend is obviously highly skilled at it.
This is the best. Just a little prodding (And civilly at first, escalating only as you leads me to) and we get this sort of worthless, emotionally immature crap.
It's nice to see you understand the difference in intelligence levels between us, Squeeze. I like "Albert." Think it'll stick?
Is that suppose to upset me? To get me "Frothing" and "boiling hot?"
Not working, Squeeze. Try harder; I do have my buttons after all, just like everyone else. Of course, I doubt you could find my buttons, and even if you did, I doubt you could think up something to say that would push them, but feel free to try! I do so love people who come to this board preaching about respect and love and then turn around and show how petty they can truly be, when things don't go their way.
Especially after being caught lying. Lies just make the hypocrisy all the sweeter, don't you think, Squeeze?
I don't see why you are so negative about unconditional love, your girlfriend is obviously highly skilled at it.
This is the best. Just a little prodding (And civilly at first, escalating only as you leads me to) and we get this sort of worthless, emotionally immature crap.
It's nice to see you understand the difference in intelligence levels between us, Squeeze. I like "Albert." Think it'll stick?
Is that suppose to upset me? To get me "Frothing" and "boiling hot?"
Not working, Squeeze. Try harder; I do have my buttons after all, just like everyone else. Of course, I doubt you could find my buttons, and even if you did, I doubt you could think up something to say that would push them, but feel free to try! I do so love people who come to this board preaching about respect and love and then turn around and show how petty they can truly be, when things don't go their way.Especially after being caught lying. Lies just make the hypocrisy all the sweeter, don't you think, Squeeze?
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Mar 14 2008, 04:09 AM)
This is the best. Just a little prodding (And civilly at first, escalating only as you leads me to) and we get this sort of worthless, emotionally immature crap.
It's nice to see you understand the difference in intelligence levels between us, Squeeze. I like "Albert." Think it'll stick?
Is that suppose to upset me? To get me "Frothing" and "boiling hot?"
Not working, Squeeze. Try harder; I do have my buttons after all, just like everyone else. Of course, I doubt you could find my buttons, and even if you did, I doubt you could think up something to say that would push them, but feel free to try! I do so love people who come to this board preaching about respect and love and then turn around and show how petty they can truly be, when things don't go their way.Especially after being caught lying. Lies just make the hypocrisy all the sweeter, don't you think, Squeeze?
I have to be honest and say that I was not expecting this thread to be as popular as it's proving to be.
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 14 2008, 04:47 AM)
I have to be honest and say that I was not expecting this thread to be as popular as it's proving to be.
It's more popular than any thread I've started
It's more popular than any thread I've started
QUOTE (marley+Mar 14 2008, 01:45 PM)
Yes you do that, let me do my thing and you do yours, Albert.
I don't see why you are so negative about unconditional love, your girlfriend is obviously highly skilled at it.
So what...
Seeing as how you're obviously avoiding replying to my comments.
The power of christ compells you to post on this thread?
Your love for others compells you to criticize the actions of a group of people who think similarly?
There's a word to describe this sort of behaviour, and it's the same word that threw christ into a fit of rage and led him to trashing a temple.
I don't see why you are so negative about unconditional love, your girlfriend is obviously highly skilled at it.
So what...
Seeing as how you're obviously avoiding replying to my comments.
The power of christ compells you to post on this thread?
Your love for others compells you to criticize the actions of a group of people who think similarly?
There's a word to describe this sort of behaviour, and it's the same word that threw christ into a fit of rage and led him to trashing a temple.
QUOTE (Trippy+Mar 14 2008, 09:37 PM)
There's a word to describe this sort of behaviour, and it's the same word that threw christ into a fit of rage and led him to trashing a temple.
Yeah, I've always thought he was a bit of a nutter.
If he was posting on physorg, I'm pretty certain he would quickly get banned for trolling.
Yeah, I've always thought he was a bit of a nutter.
If he was posting on physorg, I'm pretty certain he would quickly get banned for trolling.
I searched through the Comments and Suggestions subject for threads attacking the FM, or associates:
- This Outrages Me..., by Raphie Frank
- Attention Moderators by Zerkoff
- What Is The Point In Posting by Zerkoff
- Post Your Feedback Publicly by Raphie Frank
- How Does This Happpen? by Raphie Frank
- Raison D'etre Of The "forum Mafia" Sock Puppets by newton
- Ban,ban, Ban - Nom, Bigdumbweirdo And Friends by Samantha Hildreth
- Abuse On This Forum by Samantha Hildreth
- Negative Feedbacks by Latrosicarius
- Go Countermafia! by PJParent001
- Forget It by PhysBang
- No Warning Warning by newton
- Help The Modeators by alpha-bait
- Feedback Should Be Removed by 555Joshua
- Hey Mafia by Dibedy
- Forum Bullying by NeoNo.1
- Post Your Predictions On The Next Troll Alias Name by StevenA
- Regarding The Forum Mafia And Thier Affiliates by observer1
- Forum Mafia by "THEY"
- Forum Mafia Sock Puppet? by vkamath
- So................................................ by NeoNo.1
- Do We Really Need Such People Here? by DiamondJim
- How to protect forum against arrogant, rude people by Zephir
- Respect And Enforce Your Own by Mike Adams
- Two standards in operation here by kaneda
- Feedback facility appears inherently flawed by Mike Adams
QUOTE (N O M+Apr 3 2008, 01:05 AM)
I searched through the Comments and Suggestions subject for threads attacking the FM, or associates:
- This Outrages Me..., by Raphie Frank
- Attention Moderators by Zerkoff
- What Is The Point In Posting by Zerkoff
- Post Your Feedback Publicly by Raphie Frank
- How Does This Happpen? by Raphie Frank
- Raison D'etre Of The "forum Mafia" Sock Puppets by newton
- Ban,ban, Ban - Nom, Bigdumbweirdo And Friends by Samantha Hildreth
- Abuse On This Forum by Samantha Hildreth
- Negative Feedbacks by Latrosicarius
- Go Countermafia! by PJParent001
- Forget It by PhysBang
- No Warning Warning by newton
- Help The Modeators by alpha-bait
- Feedback Should Be Removed by 555Joshua
- Hey Mafia by Dibedy
- Forum Bullying by NeoNo.1
- Post Your Predictions On The Next Troll Alias Name by StevenA
- Regarding The Forum Mafia And Thier Affiliates by observer1
- Forum Mafia by "THEY"
- Forum Mafia Sock Puppet? by vkamath
- So................................................ by NeoNo.1
- Do We Really Need Such People Here? by DiamondJim
- How to protect forum against arrogant, rude people by Zephir
- Respect And Enforce Your Own by Mike Adams
- Two standards in operation here by kaneda
- Feedback facility appears inherently flawed by Mike Adams
QUOTE (Trippy+)
Another Stupid Anti Forum Mafia Thread.
If the forum mafia desired become the new #1 subject of the site, they've sure done well. We should have two forums, or construct another category and assure it's solely devoted to the forum mafia whinings, gripes, complaints, insults and general belly aching about all the cranks in the world.
If the forum mafia desired become the new #1 subject of the site, they've sure done well. We should have two forums, or construct another category and assure it's solely devoted to the forum mafia whinings, gripes, complaints, insults and general belly aching about all the cranks in the world.
QUOTE (Trippy+)
Emotional statement, complaint about negative feedback, complaint about percieved bullying, comment about N O M. Emotional statement, complaint about abuse by the FM, abuse of the FM, complaint about mob mentality.
Second, and third Hypocritical statements, more pointless whinging, hypocritical vow to persecute the FM, hypocritical request that others follow suite, hypocritical complaint about the quality of threads and posts in the forum.
Whinging, whining, more hypocritical statements and requests, emotional statement, comparisson to childhood events, complaints about sockpuppets, erroneous psych-analysis of the various members.
Closing emotional appeal for precisely the behaviour just finished complaining about.
I thought it was the forum mafia that began the bellyaching and griping and complaining etc. about all the idiots, cranks, posers, losers etc. that exist? You guys have simply managed to drag much of the forum down with you by constructing all the griping, complaints and retaliation against the never ending insults and detractions. What goes around, tends to come back around. Live and learn.
Second, and third Hypocritical statements, more pointless whinging, hypocritical vow to persecute the FM, hypocritical request that others follow suite, hypocritical complaint about the quality of threads and posts in the forum.
Whinging, whining, more hypocritical statements and requests, emotional statement, comparisson to childhood events, complaints about sockpuppets, erroneous psych-analysis of the various members.
Closing emotional appeal for precisely the behaviour just finished complaining about.
I thought it was the forum mafia that began the bellyaching and griping and complaining etc. about all the idiots, cranks, posers, losers etc. that exist? You guys have simply managed to drag much of the forum down with you by constructing all the griping, complaints and retaliation against the never ending insults and detractions. What goes around, tends to come back around. Live and learn.
QUOTE (StevenA+)
I thought it was the forum mafia that began the bellyaching and griping and complaining etc. about all the idiots, cranks, posers, losers etc. that exist?
Wrong. See NOM's description of the FM on this thread.
You and your ilk have managed to drag much of the forum down with your ignorant, delusional, "I've revolutionized physics!" inanities.
Wrong. See NOM's description of the FM on this thread.
QUOTE
You guys have simply managed to drag much of the forum down with you by constructing all the griping, complaints and retaliation against the never ending insults and detractions.
You and your ilk have managed to drag much of the forum down with your ignorant, delusional, "I've revolutionized physics!" inanities.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 04:09 PM)
I thought it was the forum mafia that began the bellyaching and griping and complaining etc. about all the idiots, cranks, posers, losers etc. that exist? You guys have simply managed to drag much of the forum down with you by constructing all the griping, complaints and retaliation against the never ending insults and detractions. What goes around, tends to come back around. Live and learn.
:ROTFLMGDASMIH:
Then why is it that I seem to see more posts made by people like you complaining about the FM, and more threads started by people like you to complain about the FM, then I see the FM complaining about other people.
Get off the stage you poser.
:ROTFLMGDASMIH:
Then why is it that I seem to see more posts made by people like you complaining about the FM, and more threads started by people like you to complain about the FM, then I see the FM complaining about other people.
Get off the stage you poser.
QUOTE (Trippy+Apr 2 2008, 11:20 PM)
:ROTFLMGDASMIH:
Then why is it that I seem to see more posts made by people like you complaining about the FM, and more threads started by people like you to complain about the FM, then I see the FM complaining about other people.
Get off the stage you poser.
Agreed, but what is SMIH?
Then why is it that I seem to see more posts made by people like you complaining about the FM, and more threads started by people like you to complain about the FM, then I see the FM complaining about other people.
Get off the stage you poser.
Agreed, but what is SMIH?
QUOTE (Sapo+Apr 2 2008, 11:27 PM)
Agreed, but what is SMIH?
So Much It Hurts?
So Much It Hurts?
QUOTE (BigDumbWeirdo+Apr 3 2008, 05:28 PM)
So Much It Hurts?
YUp.
YUp.
QUOTE (TheDoc+)
You and your ilk have managed to drag much of the forum down with your ignorant, delusional, "I've revolutionized physics!" inanities.
The only reason it might appear my posts are revolutionary is because you guys (forum mafia specifically) have set the bar too low by allowing it to be democratically defined. Reality isn't entirely logical, but the components of it that are predictable are. So in order to gain predictive ability you simply have to understand how predictive logic is constructed. You can beg, vote, wish or pray that it operated by different rules, but you'll end up (predictably) finding that such begging, voting, wishing or praying alone isn't sufficient (that's just the motivation or motive force behind an action but without coherent motion, you'll just stay centered around a mean ... though you might get lucky and stumble onto something on accident, but if you can't construct a predictive pathway between those seemingly novel events and predict the new ones, which I admit is potentially paradoxical, though possibly not entirely, then you'll end up floating around the democratically determined centerline) ... then again, drifting randomly can be fun too. Up to you, but again, you give me too much credit when you state that my posts are associated with revolutionary insights (Something revolutionary would be discovering the existance of something truly novel and unknown ... I'm still primarily just painting rehashed pictures with "colors" already used by others - now if I can find a new color to paint with, then I'd consider that to be revolutionary ... I guess we'll see what turns up).
The only reason it might appear my posts are revolutionary is because you guys (forum mafia specifically) have set the bar too low by allowing it to be democratically defined. Reality isn't entirely logical, but the components of it that are predictable are. So in order to gain predictive ability you simply have to understand how predictive logic is constructed. You can beg, vote, wish or pray that it operated by different rules, but you'll end up (predictably) finding that such begging, voting, wishing or praying alone isn't sufficient (that's just the motivation or motive force behind an action but without coherent motion, you'll just stay centered around a mean ... though you might get lucky and stumble onto something on accident, but if you can't construct a predictive pathway between those seemingly novel events and predict the new ones, which I admit is potentially paradoxical, though possibly not entirely, then you'll end up floating around the democratically determined centerline) ... then again, drifting randomly can be fun too. Up to you, but again, you give me too much credit when you state that my posts are associated with revolutionary insights (Something revolutionary would be discovering the existance of something truly novel and unknown ... I'm still primarily just painting rehashed pictures with "colors" already used by others - now if I can find a new color to paint with, then I'd consider that to be revolutionary
... I guess we'll see what turns up).
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 06:17 AM)
The only reason it might appear my posts are revolutionary is because you guys (forum mafia specifically) have set the bar too low by allowing it to be democratically defined.
There's nothing democratic about maths. If you can prove a result, it's valid. The work of people like Cantor was hugely unpopular initially. Democratically it was 'voted down' but mathematicians couldn't ignore it because it was true (ie that the cardinality of the integers is infinite and the reals is infinite too but 'larger').
You set the bar low because you don't understand logic.
There's nothing democratic about maths. If you can prove a result, it's valid. The work of people like Cantor was hugely unpopular initially. Democratically it was 'voted down' but mathematicians couldn't ignore it because it was true (ie that the cardinality of the integers is infinite and the reals is infinite too but 'larger').
You set the bar low because you don't understand logic.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 06:17 AM)
So in order to gain predictive ability you simply have to understand how predictive logic is constructed
You're the guy who doesn't even understand what 'proof by contradiction' means.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 06:17 AM)
You can beg, vote, wish or pray that it operated by different rules, but you'll end up (predictably) finding that such begging, voting, wishing or praying alone isn't sufficient
Hypocrite.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 06:17 AM)
but again, you give me too much credit when you state that my posts are associated with revolutionary insights
Noone thinks you're revolutionary. We think you're a delusional idiotic wacko.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 06:17 AM)
I guess we'll see what turns up
You'll continue to prove you're completely detatched from reality.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 06:17 PM)
QUOTE (TheDoc+)
You and your ilk have managed to drag much of the forum down with your ignorant, delusional, "I've revolutionized physics!" inanities.
The only reason it might appear my posts are revolutionary is because you guys (forum mafia specifically) have set the bar too low by allowing it to be democratically defined. Reality isn't entirely logical, but the components of it that are predictable are. So in order to gain predictive ability you simply have to understand how predictive logic is constructed. You can beg, vote, wish or pray that it operated by different rules, but you'll end up (predictably) finding that such begging, voting, wishing or praying alone isn't sufficient (that's just the motivation or motive force behind an action but without coherent motion, you'll just stay centered around a mean ... though you might get lucky and stumble onto something on accident, but if you can't construct a predictive pathway between those seemingly novel events and predict the new ones, which I admit is potentially paradoxical, though possibly not entirely, then you'll end up floating around the democratically determined centerline) ... then again, drifting randomly can be fun too. Up to you, but again, you give me too much credit when you state that my posts are associated with revolutionary insights (Something revolutionary would be discovering the existance of something truly novel and unknown ... I'm still primarily just painting rehashed pictures with "colors" already used by others - now if I can find a new color to paint with, then I'd consider that to be revolutionary ... I guess we'll see what turns up).
We have to set the bar low so that idiots like you have a chance of getting over it.
If the bar's set too low, it's because we're too generous, and too tolerant.
The only reason it might appear my posts are revolutionary is because you guys (forum mafia specifically) have set the bar too low by allowing it to be democratically defined. Reality isn't entirely logical, but the components of it that are predictable are. So in order to gain predictive ability you simply have to understand how predictive logic is constructed. You can beg, vote, wish or pray that it operated by different rules, but you'll end up (predictably) finding that such begging, voting, wishing or praying alone isn't sufficient (that's just the motivation or motive force behind an action but without coherent motion, you'll just stay centered around a mean ... though you might get lucky and stumble onto something on accident, but if you can't construct a predictive pathway between those seemingly novel events and predict the new ones, which I admit is potentially paradoxical, though possibly not entirely, then you'll end up floating around the democratically determined centerline) ... then again, drifting randomly can be fun too. Up to you, but again, you give me too much credit when you state that my posts are associated with revolutionary insights (Something revolutionary would be discovering the existance of something truly novel and unknown ... I'm still primarily just painting rehashed pictures with "colors" already used by others - now if I can find a new color to paint with, then I'd consider that to be revolutionary
... I guess we'll see what turns up). We have to set the bar low so that idiots like you have a chance of getting over it.
If the bar's set too low, it's because we're too generous, and too tolerant.
QUOTE (Trippy+)
Noone thinks you're revolutionary. We think you're a delusional idiotic wacko.
How did he come up with "revolutionized physics!" quote? I'm certain I've never said that, but apparently Trippy made the association between my posts and apparently revolutionary views in physics.
Again, I think that's more credit than I deserve though, but I still appreciate the compliment that he interpreted things that way (but again, it's really not anything revolutionary in physics unless you're able to nail down observations of new phenomenon and I haven't done that but simply broken existing ideas down to some of the fundamental kernels ... hopefully with the later ability to combine them and test for all possible permutations to see what's potentially been missed along the way - at least that seems the most likely candidate for discovering truly novel and revolutionary phenomenon/physics - you go begin going through all combinations of things that are possible and search for the ones that noone's discovered yet).
How did he come up with "revolutionized physics!" quote? I'm certain I've never said that, but apparently Trippy made the association between my posts and apparently revolutionary views in physics.
Again, I think that's more credit than I deserve though, but I still appreciate the compliment that he interpreted things that way (but again, it's really not anything revolutionary in physics unless you're able to nail down observations of new phenomenon and I haven't done that but simply broken existing ideas down to some of the fundamental kernels ... hopefully with the later ability to combine them and test for all possible permutations to see what's potentially been missed along the way - at least that seems the most likely candidate for discovering truly novel and revolutionary phenomenon/physics - you go begin going through all combinations of things that are possible and search for the ones that noone's discovered yet).
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 08:10 PM)
QUOTE (Trippy+)
Noone thinks you're revolutionary. We think you're a delusional idiotic wacko.
How did he come up with "revolutionized physics!" quote? I'm certain I've never said that, but apparently Trippy made the association between my posts and apparently revolutionary views in physics.
Again, I think that's more credit than I deserve though, but I still appreciate the compliment that he interpreted things that way (but again, it's really not anything revolutionary in physics unless you're able to nail down observations of new phenomenon and I haven't done that but simply broken existing ideas down to some of the fundamental kernels ... hopefully with the later ability to combine them and test for all possible permutations to see what's potentially been missed along the way - at least that seems the most likely candidate for discovering truly novel and revolutionary phenomenon/physics - you go begin going through all combinations of things that are possible and search for the ones that noone's discovered yet).
It was Alphanumeric that said that you delusional idiot.
How did he come up with "revolutionized physics!" quote? I'm certain I've never said that, but apparently Trippy made the association between my posts and apparently revolutionary views in physics.
Again, I think that's more credit than I deserve though, but I still appreciate the compliment that he interpreted things that way (but again, it's really not anything revolutionary in physics unless you're able to nail down observations of new phenomenon and I haven't done that but simply broken existing ideas down to some of the fundamental kernels ... hopefully with the later ability to combine them and test for all possible permutations to see what's potentially been missed along the way - at least that seems the most likely candidate for discovering truly novel and revolutionary phenomenon/physics - you go begin going through all combinations of things that are possible and search for the ones that noone's discovered yet).
It was Alphanumeric that said that you delusional idiot.
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 07:10 AM)
hopefully with the later ability to combine them and test for all possible permutations to see what's potentially been missed along the way - at least that seems the most likely candidate for discovering truly novel and revolutionary phenomenon/physics - you go begin going through all combinations of things that are possible and search for the ones that noone's discovered yet).
I fully agree. If one takes away "revolutionary-physics" and the hype that goes with it thats how real research is done. Basically you have to be an "idiot wackoo" to discover anything. Let us not forget how many things have we discovered by coincidence. Usually we have found what we were not looking for at all and thats the usual way discoveries were made. Of course one can get the "feeling" for things like Tesla for example. But there is a difference between abstract-abstract and real-abstract "feeling" for things i think.
I fully agree. If one takes away "revolutionary-physics" and the hype that goes with it thats how real research is done. Basically you have to be an "idiot wackoo" to discover anything. Let us not forget how many things have we discovered by coincidence. Usually we have found what we were not looking for at all and thats the usual way discoveries were made. Of course one can get the "feeling" for things like Tesla for example. But there is a difference between abstract-abstract and real-abstract "feeling" for things i think.
QUOTE (Majkl+Apr 3 2008, 09:59 PM)
I fully agree. If one takes away "revolutionary-physics" and the hype that goes with it thats how real research is done. Basically you have to be an "idiot wackoo" to discover anything. Let us not forget how many things have we discovered by coincidence. Usually we have found what we were not looking for at all and thats the usual way discoveries were made. Of course one can get the "feeling" for things like Tesla for example. But there is a difference between abstract-abstract and real-abstract "feeling" for things i think.
If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.
Seriously. Do you think before you post?
I see the tongue-in-cheek nature of this thread, and its opening post is (as usual) lost on the whackjobs, inspite of the fact that StevenA and Majkls last couple of posts perfectly exemplify my point.
If I wanted your opinion, I'd give it to you.
Seriously. Do you think before you post?
I see the tongue-in-cheek nature of this thread, and its opening post is (as usual) lost on the whackjobs, inspite of the fact that StevenA and Majkls last couple of posts perfectly exemplify my point.
QUOTE (Trippy+Apr 3 2008, 10:21 AM)
Seriously. Do you think before you post?
I was going to ask you the same question long time ago. But whats the use if one does not know what thinking is.
I was going to ask you the same question long time ago. But whats the use if one does not know what thinking is.
QUOTE (Majkl+Apr 3 2008, 11:50 PM)
I was going to ask you the same question long time ago. But whats the use if one does not know what thinking is.
Blah blah blah.
More of the same inane drivel.
Another epic fail at a witty retort.
Blah blah blah.
More of the same inane drivel.
Another epic fail at a witty retort.
It seems you are very uncomfortable with reflection of your own thoughts Flippy.
QUOTE (Majkl+Apr 4 2008, 01:05 AM)
It seems you are very uncomfortable with reflection of your own thoughts Flippy.
Another epic fail.
Christ on a crutch. Why do you idiots always assume I'm somehow insecure with myself.
I'm not, get over it.
I do science for a living, it's how I earn my bread and butter. I regularly make useful and helpful posts on this forum, meanwhile, you do what? Sit around and criticize others for refusing to consider provably and proven wrong ideas?
Another epic fail.
Christ on a crutch. Why do you idiots always assume I'm somehow insecure with myself.
I'm not, get over it.
I do science for a living, it's how I earn my bread and butter. I regularly make useful and helpful posts on this forum, meanwhile, you do what? Sit around and criticize others for refusing to consider provably and proven wrong ideas?
Their mirrors are cloudy, Trippy. Really too bad...
QUOTE (Sapo+Apr 4 2008, 07:41 AM)
Their mirrors are cloudy, Trippy. Really too bad...
So they're using cloudy fun-house mirrors?
So they're using cloudy fun-house mirrors?
QUOTE (Majkl+Apr 3 2008, 08:59 AM)
I fully agree. If one takes away "revolutionary-physics" and the hype that goes with it thats how real research is done. Basically you have to be an "idiot wackoo" to discover anything. Let us not forget how many things have we discovered by coincidence. Usually we have found what we were not looking for at all and thats the usual way discoveries were made. Of course one can get the "feeling" for things like Tesla for example. But there is a difference between abstract-abstract and real-abstract "feeling" for things i think.
Actually I'd prefer to deny it, but it's almost certainly true that the novel discoveries are made, not by those following the treaded path, but by those who are insane enough to search outside it. (And then of course when you do find something good, that becomes the next well trodden path ... I guess that's just how it goes)
On the other hand, there are still some tools that are rather general purpose, but if you apply the same sets of tools in the same manner to the same application etc. then you'll do nothing more than arrive at the same (or at least similar, given some random input) results.
Actually I'd prefer to deny it, but it's almost certainly true that the novel discoveries are made, not by those following the treaded path, but by those who are insane enough
to search outside it. (And then of course when you do find something good, that becomes the next well trodden path ... I guess that's just how it goes)On the other hand, there are still some tools that are rather general purpose, but if you apply the same sets of tools in the same manner to the same application etc. then you'll do nothing more than arrive at the same (or at least similar, given some random input) results.
Yawn, and this is where you bring up Galileo struggling against the orthodox view of the church, forgetting that he was a scientist and the church's view was proposed by a philosopher.
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but if you apply the same sets of tools in the same manner to the same application etc. then you'll do nothing more than arrive at the same (or at least similar, given some random input) results.
With your maths skills, you'll certain;y get random results
QUOTE (StevenA+Apr 3 2008, 04:38 PM)
Actually I'd prefer to deny it, but it's almost certainly true that the novel discoveries are made, not by those following the treaded path, but by those who are insane enough to search outside it.
Really? Then explain Newtonian Physics, Quantum Mechanics, String Theory and calculus, all thought up by those "following the treaded path."
to search outside it. Really? Then explain Newtonian Physics, Quantum Mechanics, String Theory and calculus, all thought up by those "following the treaded path."
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