Thanks U... a sensible answer
But really guys, y'all think this is a social site
where anything goes... just for the social status within the peeeeeers... oh your precious +'s and -'s
No one is interested in serious discussion... and if a few do
then along come the jokers.
As a scientist, I really don't care for your social clique... In fact I find earthlings deplorable
I do like prof H's remark
QUOTE
"Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare," he quickly added: "Some would say it has yet to occur on earth."
and I find jokers rather knuckleheaded if they persist.. an occassional good pun or intelligent twist in the brandy is fine... but continued clueless drivel is .....
There is no respect for a poster's thread..... (yes someone might wish to read it... and will not find pages of ranting, slander or generally "ow's ya'muta" banter enlightening... and such may put them off completely.
Yes I am an elitist, I work with cutting edge concepts.... and I make no apologies for that.. that has been my life and I would not have changed it even if I could..... I never wasted time at the corner ice cream parlor, or hug out in the mall
I studied, worked hard and found the road to science a wonderful one
Society, this society, that society.... go jump.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| "Primitive life is very common and intelligent life is fairly rare," he quickly added: "Some would say it has yet to occur on earth." |
and I find jokers rather knuckleheaded if they persist.. an occassional good pun or intelligent twist in the brandy is fine... but continued clueless drivel is .....
There is no respect for a poster's thread..... (yes someone might wish to read it... and will not find pages of ranting, slander or generally "ow's ya'muta" banter enlightening... and such may put them off completely.
Yes I am an elitist, I work with cutting edge concepts.... and I make no apologies for that.. that has been my life and I would not have changed it even if I could..... I never wasted time at the corner ice cream parlor, or hug out in the mall
I studied, worked hard and found the road to science a wonderful one
Society, this society, that society.... go jump.
societal tendency toward homogenization to the least common denominator.
Yes it is the same all over the web
I thought there MAY BE ??? a place where seriously minded seekers of scientific knowledge could gather and discuss serious projections into the unknown
This net is a wonderful tool for mind to mind world wide communication...
unfortunately it is also infested with people who are not really interested in science and its processes.... much more interested in beer and trivia and how big their d-heads are.
what a wasted opportunity, and at a time when so much could be done
no, must be done otherwise it is all.. yes all of it... is lost.
FGG
14th May 2008 - 11:20 PM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 14 2008, 03:55 AM)
I MOST DEFINITELY do not want to be part of the herd.
No, You're just what is left over after the herd has left!
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
QUOTE
societal tendency toward homogenization to the least common denominator.
Hmmm. speaking of the least common denominator...
FGG
TheDoc
15th May 2008 - 03:06 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
No one is interested in serious discussion... and if a few do
then along come the jokers.
Yeah, the jokers like bukh, StevenA, Ivars, Sylwester Kornowski, Good Elf, dawn, Farsight and yor_on.
And, of course, you.
QUOTE
Yes I am an elitist
Too bad that you're not one of the elite.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Yes I am an elitist |
Too bad that you're not one of the elite.
I work with cutting edge concepts....
There's a difference between "cutting edge concepts" and "idiotic concepts". Given that you ignore direct evidence against your ideas and logic, you seem quite happy working with the latter.
Gorgeous
15th May 2008 - 10:43 AM
QUOTE
I work with cutting edge concepts....
A hairdresser, then?
g.
Agent X20
15th May 2008 - 05:16 PM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 14 2008, 03:55 AM)
I MOST DEFINITELY do not want to be part of the herd.
[insult]I'm afraid you'll never ever qualify as belonging to such a thing, us mammals have certain standards you know! .... you're right, keep where you belong; in a "culture" with unrealistic aspirations of promotion to "colony".[/insult]
Ron
15th May 2008 - 05:45 PM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 14 2008, 01:56 AM)
Ha ah, I think I have this forum tagged
It seems if the forum agrees with me then that's just fine
and if I disagree with them, that's not kewl
So all I have to do is read all the posts in the forum and parrot them back....
talk about idiots.... whatever you learnt at school, it is so archaic I would be ashamed to think like y'all. Did anyone learn to think for yourself ??????
LOL
so that's what the the neg's and pos's mean
pos: you are a parrot, know everything but know nothing
neg: you think for yourself, maybe right or wrong... but hey nothing is ever totally correct
I LIKE IT !!!
Please give me more NEGS !!!!! YAY
How full of yourself do you have to be to think like that, Z? Seriously. I'm a human being trying to discuss something non-trivial with you right now. You say that 'we' are parrots because 'we' have learned something from others and use that knowledge in a discussion. You say that you have this whole big stockpile of knowledge that you, what, figured out yourself?
I'm just a little confused at how you have come across these cutting edge ideas. Are you 300, 500, 1000 yrs old and have gathered all this yourself?
When does learning and using that knowledge become parroting in your book, when we disagree with you is my answer to that.
Hypocritical much?
Have you no humility at all?
Do you respect anyone else in all of existence?.
You've got yourself tagged, not this forum. Look in the mirror, Mr. Z.
Now you can laugh and call me names or whatever, but, if you do, I would like to hear your honest opinion of my thoughts and not just heaped into your pile of "all but I stink".
Said with diminishing respect, in hopes of regaining some.
Ron
N O M
15th May 2008 - 09:11 PM
So acceptable behaviour for Zerkoff must mean: "Posting complete rubbish, telling lies and abusing people who correct him"
Zarkov
15th May 2008 - 10:21 PM
QUOTE
I would like to hear your honest opinion of my thoughts
that is all I ask
I would not offer an opinion on you..your person
unless you showed by your response that you wished to attack my person... and not my opinion.
I love discussing ideas....it really is that simple.
Unfortunately there is a group of people here that get their kicks by kicking people rather than ideas... a group cowardly attack
Such people do not have ideas of their own... they think because a book or someone told them something that that something MUST BE CORRECT..absolutely correct and thus there can not be any further discussion...ie you must be personally attacked if you think different.
So get the facts right.... and I am on your side in the search for truth. I do not care if I agree with your opinion or you agree with mine.... that then becomes the basis for discussion.
Attack me and I will defend myself.
Yes I am arrogant,,,, and I am that way only about things I have had deep thoughts on and maybe have also carried out experimental discovery.
Zarkov
15th May 2008 - 10:51 PM
Another insight gained from MOM
QUOTE
You cranks and idiots always seem to think that physicists assume they know everything, they don't. Provide a rational argument, with some documented proof, and you could be taken seriously.
So to be taken seriously you must be a parrot that is not allowed to think for yourself
But this is a scientists CREED... my creed
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| You cranks and idiots always seem to think that physicists assume they know everything, they don't. Provide a rational argument, with some documented proof, and you could be taken seriously. |
So to be taken seriously you must be a parrot that is not allowed to think for yourself
But this is a scientists CREED... my creed
I choose to live the dignified and exhilarating life of a free-thinker, able to go wherever knowledge and curiosity takes me, without fear of contradicting any dogma.
dogma = documented "proof"
So there is a logical impasse in many poster's brains.... lay people seem to have no idea at all what science actually is.... they seem to think technology is science.. its there in black and white....problem solved.
The causes of the observed aberrant net science forum behaviour are becoming so much clearer.
As I have pointed out before
a scientist can not communicate with primitives.......... both sides just do not think along the same lines..
Sapo
15th May 2008 - 11:01 PM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 15 2008, 05:21 PM)
...
I would not offer an opinion on
you..your personunless you showed by your response that you wished to attack
my person... and not my opinion.
...
Unfortunately there is a group of people here that get their kicks by kicking people rather than ideas...
a group cowardly attack...

BS. When you start using (parentheses) to refer to (your person), you will truly remind us of (someone) else.
Until then, be confident and sure of your (self), and know that we mere Earthlings can do you no harm...
And have another two or three of the little striped ones, and just one more big red one before bed.
Oh, yeah. Keep ignoring, while you're at it.
And posturing, and blathering, and cracking me up...
Zarkov
15th May 2008 - 11:15 PM
QUOTE
we mere Earthlings can do you no harm...
indeed... just waste my time.
I seek, but I do not think I will find on this forum.
Time is fleeting and madness here has taken control.....
Trippy
16th May 2008 - 01:29 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 16 2008, 11:15 AM)
indeed... just waste my time.
I seek, but I do not think I will find on this forum.
Time is fleeting and madness here has taken control.....
Oh yawn.
Plagiarising song lyrics now Zarkov?
Hope you've got exact change.
TheDoc
16th May 2008 - 02:26 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+)
I love discussing ideas....it really is that simple.
Except that when anyone questions
your ideas, you snap and start accusing them of "abusing" and "stalking" you. That's not discussing ideas.
QUOTE
Unfortunately there is a group of people here that get their kicks by kicking people rather than ideas
THAT'S A LIE AND YOU KNOW IT. EVERY TIME someone questioned your ideas, or presented evidence against them, you called them idiots without actually refuting them. You're fail to live up to your very own standards.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Unfortunately there is a group of people here that get their kicks by kicking people rather than ideas |
THAT'S A LIE AND YOU KNOW IT. EVERY TIME someone questioned your ideas, or presented evidence against them, you called them idiots without actually refuting them. You're fail to live up to your very own standards.
a group cowardly attack
Another lie, and a shining example of your hypocrisy. You hurled all sorts of accusations my way without bothering to back them up, and then you have the nerve to accuse
US of being "cowardly"?
And then you wonder why people around here dislike you so much...
QUOTE
Such people do not have ideas of their own... they think because a book or someone told them something that that something MUST BE CORRECT..absolutely correct and thus there can not be any further discussion...ie you must be personally attacked if you think different.
Yet
another lie. When adoucette or barakn pointed out flaws in your claims, you failed to refute them. You called them idiots, without bothering to put forth a somewhat rational argument, and then crawled back into your hole.
You have ALWAYS considered yourself to be correct, no matter what.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
Such people do not have ideas of their own... they think because a book or someone told them something that that something MUST BE CORRECT..absolutely correct and thus there can not be any further discussion...ie you must be personally attacked if you think different.
|
Yet
another lie. When adoucette or barakn pointed out flaws in your claims, you failed to refute them. You called them idiots, without bothering to put forth a somewhat rational argument, and then crawled back into your hole.
You have ALWAYS considered yourself to be correct, no matter what.
So get the facts right....
Hypocrisy overload!
QUOTE
So to be taken seriously you must be a parrot that is not allowed to think for yourself
Another blatant lie. You have yet to provide a single rational argument for your claims. You've ignored directed evidence against your claims. You refuse to provide calculations from your "math formula", despite boasting about how "accurate" it is.
And then you expect to be taken seriously?
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| So to be taken seriously you must be a parrot that is not allowed to think for yourself |
Another blatant lie. You have yet to provide a single rational argument for your claims. You've ignored directed evidence against your claims. You refuse to provide calculations from your "math formula", despite boasting about how "accurate" it is.
And then you expect to be taken seriously?
indeed... just waste my time.
I seek, but I do not think I will find on this forum.
So why are you here?
Agent X20
16th May 2008 - 02:28 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 15 2008, 11:15 PM)
I do not think and madness.
Agreed.
Zarkov
16th May 2008 - 02:39 AM
Interesting legal case
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/16/2246412.htmQUOTE
A United States woman has been charged for her role in an internet hoax that ended with a 13-year-old girl committing suicide after being shunned by a boy who did not exist.
A federal grand jury in Los Angeles has indicted 49-year-old Lori Drew on charges of accessing MySpace "without authorisation to inflict emotional distress".
Drew allegedly helped create a MySpace account to contact her teenage neighbour in Missouri, who thought she was chatting to a 16-year-old boy called 'Josh'.
After three weeks of online flirting, 'Josh' sent the girl a message saying that the world would be better off without her.
Prosecutors say within hours the 13-year-old had hanged herself in her bedroom.
Drew has denied creating the MySpace account or sending messages to the girl.
Real people, real emotions, real consequences.....
and responsibility is catching up with you guys.
TheDoc
16th May 2008 - 02:46 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 16 2008, 02:39 AM)
Interesting legal case
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/16/2246412.htmReal people, real emotions, real consequences.....
and responsibility is catching up with you guys.
You and other idiots keep reposting that news story over and over again, so I'm going to repost my response over and over again: If you have an emotional stake in what is thought of you here - a physics forum - then you need to get out more.
By the way, good job not responding to any of the points I made. That's a great way to win an argument...
Agent X20
16th May 2008 - 02:52 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 16 2008, 02:39 AM)
Interesting legal case
http://www.abc.net.au/news/stories/2008/05/16/2246412.htmReal people, real emotions, real consequences.....
and responsibility is catching up with you guys.
I blame her parents - anyone capable of suicide resulting from an internet 'dump' really ought to have received psychiatric help many many years before this event ever occurred.
As per usual you spew nonsense.
Zarkov
16th May 2008 - 03:00 AM
QUOTE
I blame her parents
creep
TheDoc
16th May 2008 - 03:21 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 16 2008, 03:00 AM)
creep
Still can't respond to anything we've said, can you?
Derek1148
16th May 2008 - 03:40 AM
QUOTE (Agent X20+May 16 2008, 02:52 AM)
I blame her parents - anyone capable of suicide resulting from an internet 'dump' really ought to have received psychiatric help many many years before this event ever occurred.
The parents certainly bear some responsibility. However, some parents simply don’t care. They either neglect or abuse their children. Proving criminal culpability relative to the woman may be difficult. The prosecution must prove intent and demonstrate a direct relationship to the posting and the child’s suicide.
But children in particular are psychologically vulnerable to peer pressure and rejection. Whether or not the prosecution is able to obtain a conviction, the issue is not the internet. The internet is not responsible; it was simply the means of communication. The issue is intentionally being cruel to a child.
Zarkov
16th May 2008 - 04:47 AM
QUOTE
The issue is intentionally being cruel to a child.
or a PERSON... a REAL person, who may or may not be psychologically sound.
There will come a time when the rights of psychologically unsound people will be upheld.
WHY ?, because the majority of people in this world are of an unsound mind !
and in a democracy, numbers are the only criteria.
People who should know better, will be held accountable to cruel and unprovoked and malicious treatment of other people... on the internet or in real life.
THEY are catching up with the trash in this world.
Trippy
16th May 2008 - 07:22 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 16 2008, 04:47 PM)
THEY are catching up with the trash in this world.
You better watch out then.
Derek1148
16th May 2008 - 07:32 AM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 16 2008, 04:47 AM)
or a PERSON... a REAL person, who may or may not be psychologically sound.
There will come a time when the rights of psychologically unsound people will be upheld.
Children are afforded (justifiably) special protection under the law.
Do the negative comments bother you? Do believe that you are an extraterrestrial?
Zarkov
16th May 2008 - 07:40 AM
QUOTE
Do the negative comments bother you?
No not at all, they just waste space and trash a thread... when one looks to see who has replied.. it is always vermin... and then when the thread is more closely examined, pertinent replies have been left unanswered.... all in all off topic comments just ruin the whole conversation.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| Do the negative comments bother you? |
No not at all, they just waste space and trash a thread... when one looks to see who has replied.. it is always vermin... and then when the thread is more closely examined, pertinent replies have been left unanswered.... all in all off topic comments just ruin the whole conversation.
Do believe that you are an extraterrestrial?
Indeed, I am definitely not an earthling.
I shun the "insects" scurrying on this hunk of rock.. they have a long way to go, but they will not make it.
I am looking for cuttings.
Zarkov
16th May 2008 - 09:07 AM
It seems the taunter who precipitated a young girls suicide has now been charged
CHARGE
Using a computer to inflict distress by cyber-bullying
The law is becoming very concerned with the "behaviour" of delinquent people using the internet to bully, slander or discredit other people.
Basically is is an intrusion on personal freedom.
These legal changes have been long in coming, but they are very very welcome.
Derek1148
16th May 2008 - 09:20 AM
Hey Chewbacca,
I think you're missing the point. The case you're talking about involves cruelty to a child. Not unkind postings to an extraterrestrial.
Zarkov
16th May 2008 - 09:27 AM
Extraterrestrials have rights
Maybe it needs a test case
I intend to test the waters in Australia.
I think though that the main perpetuator of cyber-bullying is the organisations that allows such behaviour in the first instance.
IMO, and maybe in the law as well, the "moderators" become liable, and this would be easily proved.
Zarkov
18th May 2008 - 06:25 AM
Hi Moderators
I am not sure if you post moderate all the posts here on your forum
but I have noticed a very disturbing trend
It seems any newbie.... knowledgeable or not... polite or not....
is welcomed by negative comments, plain slander and sheer aggression
by a small group of posters...... maybe the same 2 or 3.... sock puppets may play a part
If you wish this forum to grow, then a decision must be made.
I sympathise with the dilemma of babysitting but IMO it just has to be done
and your rules need to continually enforced
Good luck
Agent X20
18th May 2008 - 06:38 AM
Hi Moderators
I am not sure if you post moderate all the posts here on your forum
but I have noticed a very disturbing trend
It seems any newbie.... knowledgeable or not... polite or not....
is welcomed by cretinous comments, imecilic lies, plain spamming idiocy and sheer delusional psychosis by a small group of posters...... maybe the same 2 or 3.... sock puppets may play a part
If you wish this forum to grow, then a decision must be made.
I sympathise with the dilemma of babysitting but IMO it just has to be done
and your rules need to continually enforced
Good luck
philip347
22nd May 2008 - 05:16 PM
Notes this thread.
There were said underground bases, as said by George C. Andrews in his first book Extraterrestrial Friends And Foes.
Under the Linda Multon Howe said in her book agreements, many said aliens could go to the bases, in secret and exchange informational technologies, under the signed co-base agreements of that time.
&There are guidelines in how to treat aliens as guest said in this book, so I guess the managers of this board, more than want to break this, by not kicking these trouble makers and jerks off of this board.Probably them and forces higher placed?
It seems that attitudes have changed and attempted torture of at least some of these beings, is being okayed?
This action by Earth forces, sets up a really bad precedent in future off-world relations.
This was reflected in a said downed saucer type craft, over southern Africa to where the surviving aliens were said by article, to be prodded, instead of talked to.
*So I guess it must be stated, that those in authority are taking their chances, in how they want to set a charter in relationship to future off world relations?
I did not contribute to the LHC thread, as if the constituents of a very heavy gravitational force are present and your mimicking a grand gravitational force, then I guess the outcomes,..is..your problem?
I have wandered what they were saying about cascading sections of outer space collapsing in on itself.
I mean if the people are more than evil and that section of space is worthless, then what's the loss.
This is what you want after all, isn't it?
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