Mazulu
I want to talk about what it would take to develop an Acceleration Field Generator. Sometimes it's called a gravity field generator. A Tractor beam, from science fiction, is a good example of what I'm talking about. You flick a switch, and an acceleration vector field is generated from an emitter. If we could build acceleration field generators, we could use them to lift heavy objects into the air. From that, we could build hovercrafts. Acceleration field generators are a prerequisite to the Alcubierre hyperdrive.

On a more technical note, an acceleration field is also a curvature of space-time. The Einstein equations tell us that there are only two ways to curve space-time.
1. the stress energy tensor which requires using entire planets worth of energy.
2. the Cosmological constant which only pushes galaxies apart.

We would need there to be a 3rd way to curve space-time. One of the problems with researching acceleration field generators is that we do not have a working model or prototype that we can perform tests on.

Can we discuss the challenges (insurmountables) involved?
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 11 2011, 12:26 AM)
I want to talk about what it would take to develop an Acceleration Field Generator. Sometimes it's called a gravity field generator. A Tractor beam, from science fiction, is a good example of what I'm talking about. You flick a switch, and an acceleration vector field is generated from an emitter. If we could build acceleration field generators, we could use them to lift heavy objects into the air. From that, we could build hovercrafts. Acceleration field generators are a prerequisite to the Alcubierre hyperdrive.

On a more technical note, an acceleration field is also a curvature of space-time. The Einstein equations tell us that there are only two ways to curve space-time.
1. the stress energy tensor which requires using entire planets worth of energy.
2. the Cosmological constant which only pushes galaxies apart.

We would need there to be a 3rd way to curve space-time. One of the problems with researching acceleration field generators is that we do not have a working model or prototype that we can perform tests on.

Can we discuss the challenges (insurmountables) involved?

Could you tell me what the Cosmological Constant does in everyday life? It must be around us at all times too. What is happening on a subatomic scale?
Lasand
Does the Cosmological constant have to do with the curvature of space-time, or the expansion of empty space?
brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 11 2011, 12:26 AM)
I want to talk about what it would take to develop an Acceleration Field Generator. Sometimes it's called a gravity field generator. A Tractor beam, from science fiction, is a good example of what I'm talking about. You flick a switch, and an acceleration vector field is generated from an emitter. If we could build acceleration field generators, we could use them to lift heavy objects into the air. From that, we could build hovercrafts. Acceleration field generators are a prerequisite to the Alcubierre hyperdrive.

On a more technical note, an acceleration field is also a curvature of space-time. The Einstein equations tell us that there are only two ways to curve space-time.
1. the stress energy tensor which requires using entire planets worth of energy.
2. the Cosmological constant which only pushes galaxies apart.

We would need there to be a 3rd way to curve space-time. One of the problems with researching acceleration field generators is that we do not have a working model or prototype that we can perform tests on.

Can we discuss the challenges (insurmountables) involved?

You're trying to attach your fantasy, acceleration field generator, to warp drive metrics. If you're right then derive an acceleration field generator from the metric.
greenray
HYPOTHESIS ABOUT STRUCTURE OF ELECTROFIELD ENGINES ON PULSE FIELDS (EDIP) THE PROJECT THE POSTMAN. INITIAL LEVEL. NEW CONCEPT SPACESHIP «SOLAR BIRD»
4.3.1 General questions of creation of the structured electromagnetic fields. Hypothetical elemental base for their reception and designing. The generator of the enclosed in each other structured fields.
Modern electromagnets are applied basically for reception of not structured fields of simple forms. Therefore it is interesting to consider the problem of creation of the structured fields from several sources various in geometrical sizes, position in space, frequencies of created fields, phases and capacity.

In the given article the author makes an attempt on according to his understanding to formulate problems and their hypothetical decisions and to designate the field of necessary engineering in experimental, and theoretical plans, necessary for the creation of space vehicle suitable for the development of solar system and space by people.

The author: Nikitin Sergey Alekseevich
The Russian Federation, Republic Chuvashiya, Cheboksary
Chuvashiya State University

/PostmanProjecENGV0.67.pdf/

/postman2011v107.rar/

/literature.rar/

MjolnirPants
Here's how to generate an "acceleration field" in one easy step (based on proven science):

PUT SOMETHING HEAVY IN FRONT OF YOU!

All other methods are bunk or sci-fi.

(On the sci-fi side: Find a particle which can be generated in an accelerator that alters the rate and nature of virtual particle production in a definable area such that neutrons are massively over generated by the quantum foam (on the order of a few dozen orders of magnitude, at least), which also have a very short (on the order of milliseconds or less) half-life, then point the business end of your accelerator onto an area of space and voila: instant black hole which disappear when you turn the accelerator off. As far as I know, this does not violate conservation of energy, but I haven't done any calculations, so it might.)
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Nov 11 2011, 06:41 PM)
You're trying to attach your fantasy, acceleration field generator, to warp drive metrics. If you're right then derive an acceleration field generator from the metric.

That is exactly what has to be done; work in progress.

QUOTE (Robittybob1+)
Could you tell me what the Cosmological Constant does in everyday life? It must be around us at all times too. What is happening on a subatomic scale?

QUOTE (Lasand+)
Does the Cosmological constant have to do with the curvature of space-time, or the expansion of empty space?

The cosmological constant was Albert Einstein's idea. Einstein believed that the universe should be stationary. So E added the cosmological term \Lambda to the Einstein equations to balance gravity. After all, if only gravity exists, then the universe would eventually collapse in on itself. So, in order for the universe to remain steady, there has to be a gravitationally repulsive term, a term that balances gravity. Unfortunately for E, galaxies and other objects in the universe are actually moving away from each other. We can tell this by their redshift. It's called Hubble Redshift; the further away an object is, the more redshifted its light is once it reaches us. Hubble redshift is linearly proportional to distance. Since expansion is nothing like a steady state universe, Einstein called it the biggest mistake of his career because he didn't predict the "expansion" of the universe.

Wiki: "The cosmological constant has the same effect as an intrinsic energy density of the vacuum, ρvac (and an associated pressure)." So gravity is referred to as a curvature of space-time; but a curved space-time is an acceleration. Hubble redshift is v = H_0*D where D is the distance from earth to the galaxy being observed and v is the recessional velocity at which the galaxy is moving away from earth; basically v = dD/dt.

Here are my thoughts.
1. If a galaxy is moving at v relative to earth, then there is a change in velocity (from galaxy inertial frame to earth's inertial frame) versus time, dv/dt. Acceleration is defined as a=dv/dt. An acceleration is a curvature of space-time. Therefore, there is a curvature of space-time between the earth and a distant galaxy.
2. There is a way to prove that Hubble redshift (v_rs = z*c) equals curvature of space-time.
3. The cosmological constant has the same effect as an intrinsic energy density of the vacuum, ρvac (and an associated pressure)-quoted from wiki. The cosmological constant refers to a quantum vacuum pressure.

The cosmological constant ultimately refers to a repulsive pressure from within the quantum vacuum (which is all around us anyway).
Mazulu
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Nov 11 2011, 09:00 PM)
Here's how to generate an "acceleration field" in one easy step (based on proven science):

PUT SOMETHING HEAVY IN FRONT OF YOU!

All other methods are bunk or sci-fi.

(On the sci-fi side: Find a particle which can be generated in an accelerator that alters the rate and nature of virtual particle production in a definable area such that neutrons are massively over generated by the quantum foam (on the order of a few dozen orders of magnitude, at least), which also have a very short (on the order of milliseconds or less) half-life, then point the business end of your accelerator onto an area of space and voila: instant black hole which disappear when you turn the accelerator off. As far as I know, this does not violate conservation of energy, but I haven't done any calculations, so it might.)

Putting heavy things in front of you is like carrying around a ball and chain. There has got to be an easier way. I think your scifi approach of "turning on/off" some kind of generator is really what we need.

I just have this idea that the quantum vacuum/space-time/a patch of space is a collection of quantum waves without energy (vacuum), and light (electromagnetic energy) are waves with energy that travel through that patch of space at c.

Relativity says: no absolute reference frames.
Quantum mechanics says: waves; lots of waves.
I want to take a patch of space, fill it with lots of waves and call it an infinitesimally small absolute reference frame. Light moves through this patch of space at velocity c; permittivity and permeability are defined for this patch of space. Then, I want 10^450 copies of these tiny patches of space, and I want to fill the universe with them, and let them move at all different velocities.

If I do this, I am missing something. A photon on one patch of space has to be able to move to another patch of space moving at a different velocity. But what kind of quantum wave can do that?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 11 2011, 04:31 PM)
Putting heavy things in front of you is like carrying around a ball and chain.  There has got to be an easier way.
No, there doesn't. Physics has no need to conform to your desires. It is what it is.

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I think your scifi approach of "turning on/off" some kind of generator is really what we need.
It's sci-fi. Do you know what that means? That means it's bunk pseudoscience which is different from your bunk pseudoscience only in that I don't pretend it's real.

The rest of your post is just mangling of real science. Stop relying on wikipedia for your education: Wikipedia assumes you know enough about math and basic physics to understand what it's saying, which you obviously don't. Get some textbooks, read them, audit classes at your local college and when you can do calculus, then try to read the wikipedia articles.
brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 11 2011, 09:08 PM)
That is exactly what has to be done; work in progress.

QUOTE (Robittybob1+)
Could you tell me what the Cosmological Constant does in everyday life? It must be around us at all times too. What is happening on a subatomic scale?

QUOTE (Lasand+)
Does the Cosmological constant have to do with the curvature of space-time, or the expansion of empty space?

The cosmological constant was Albert Einstein's idea. Einstein believed that the universe should be stationary. So E added the cosmological term \Lambda to the Einstein equations to balance gravity. After all, if only gravity exists, then the universe would eventually collapse in on itself. So, in order for the universe to remain steady, there has to be a gravitationally repulsive term, a term that balances gravity. Unfortunately for E, galaxies and other objects in the universe are actually moving away from each other. We can tell this by their redshift. It's called Hubble Redshift; the further away an object is, the more redshifted its light is once it reaches us. Hubble redshift is linearly proportional to distance. Since expansion is nothing like a steady state universe, Einstein called it the biggest mistake of his career because he didn't predict the "expansion" of the universe.

Wiki: "The cosmological constant has the same effect as an intrinsic energy density of the vacuum, ρvac (and an associated pressure)." So gravity is referred to as a curvature of space-time; but a curved space-time is an acceleration. Hubble redshift is v = H_0*D where D is the distance from earth to the galaxy being observed and v is the recessional velocity at which the galaxy is moving away from earth; basically v = dD/dt.

Here are my thoughts.
1. If a galaxy is moving at v relative to earth, then there is a change in velocity (from galaxy inertial frame to earth's inertial frame) versus time, dv/dt. Acceleration is defined as a=dv/dt. An acceleration is a curvature of space-time. Therefore, there is a curvature of space-time between the earth and a distant galaxy.
2. There is a way to prove that Hubble redshift (v_rs = z*c) equals curvature of space-time.
3. The cosmological constant has the same effect as an intrinsic energy density of the vacuum, ρvac (and an associated pressure)-quoted from wiki. The cosmological constant refers to a quantum vacuum pressure.

The cosmological constant ultimately refers to a repulsive pressure from within the quantum vacuum (which is all around us anyway).

Let's see the work. I happen to know you're wrong and expect you don't have a clue for progress. If you can't show your fantasy drive can be derived from the warp metric then quit making false claims.

You said:

"Acceleration field generators are a prerequisite to the Alcubierre hyperdrive."

That's complete nonsense. Show us the work in progress. A derivation of your 'acceleration field generators' from the Alcubierre warp metric.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Nov 11 2011, 10:47 PM)

Let's see the work. I happen to know you're wrong and expect you don't have a clue for progress. If you can't show your fantasy drive can be derived from the warp metric then quit making false claims.

You said:

"Acceleration field generators are a prerequisite to the Alcubierre hyperdrive."

That's complete nonsense. Show us the work in progress. A derivation of your 'acceleration field generators' from the Alcubierre warp metric.

I'm still getting the hang of tensors. There is the metric tensor g, there are contravariant and covariant tensors, index reduction, mapping vectors from one space to another using functions. There is a lot to learn.

I don't have the time or the money to invest in an Alcubierre drive book right now. So I'll have to keep using wiki for a while. I acknowledge that you don't like wiki. Sorry about that.

Quoting wiki: "In 1994, the Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre proposed a method of stretching space in a wave which would in theory cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand."

So space-time has to expand behind the spaceship and contract in front of it. How are you going to get space-time to curve the way you want it to? If you plan to use black holes, you will fall into the event horizon? You need a machine that will expand and contract space-time for you. Whatever you want to call it, a space-time curvature machine, an acceleration field generator machine, whatever you want to call it, you need one.

It's kind of a logic/common sense argument. The warp metric tells you that you need to curve space-time; expand and contract space-time. You need something that will do that. That's common sense.

But if you think that such a machine cannot be built, then you're done here.

brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 11 2011, 11:59 PM)
I'm still getting the hang of tensors.  There is the metric tensor g, there are contravariant and covariant tensors, index reduction, mapping vectors from one space to another using functions.  There is a lot to learn.

I don't have the time or the money to invest in an Alcubierre drive book right now.  So I'll have to keep using wiki for a while.  I acknowledge that you don't like wiki.  Sorry about that.

Quoting wiki:  "In 1994, the Mexican physicist Miguel Alcubierre proposed a method of stretching space in a wave which would in theory cause the fabric of space ahead of a spacecraft to contract and the space behind it to expand."

So space-time has to expand behind the spaceship and contract in front of it.  How are you going to get space-time to curve the way you want it to?  If you plan to use black holes, you will fall into the event horizon?  You need a machine that will expand and contract space-time for you.  Whatever you want to call it, a space-time curvature machine, an acceleration field generator machine, whatever you want to call it, you need one.

It's kind of a logic/common sense argument.  The warp metric tells you that you need to curve space-time; expand and contract space-time.  You need something that will do that.  That's common sense.

But if you think that such a machine cannot be built, then you're done here.

I already know how the metric works so quit making excuses and quoting wiki. I don't care what you don't know I just want you to quit making comments that are wrong and disrespectful to the scientific literature. Claiming some kind of acceleration drive is a part of warp metric is disrespectful because it's unfounded bs you made up. Cranks are pariah. They deny intellectual honesty to pretend they're something they're not which really annoys me. You probably think I enjoy lecturing you and calling you names? Not at all. Initially I thought you might develop a real interest in science but i was completely wrong.
AlexG
QUOTE
The warp metric tells you that you need to curve space-time; expand and contract space-time. You need something that will do that.

You mean flashing lights won't do it?

idiot crank.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Nov 12 2011, 12:33 AM)
Claiming some kind of acceleration drive is a part of warp metric is disrespectful because it's unfounded bs you made up.

A warp metric is an area of mathematics that describes a special case of curvature. An acceleration drive is a machine that will curve space-time. You would need such a machine if you wanted to physically warp space.

I wanted to take a closer look at the cosmological constant as a means to physically build an acceleration drive. I don't think that the warp metric that you're referring to even mentions the c constant.

brucep
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Nov 11 2011, 04:55 PM)
Could you tell me what the Cosmological Constant does in everyday life?  It must be around us at all times too. What is happening on a subatomic scale?

This is pretty good stuff. It was written in 1999 so it doesn't include references to the WMAP experimental results which makes the cosmological constant the best candidate for dark energy.

Look at this and see how the cosmological constant applies to inflation.

http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatm...2_cosmology.pdf

Einstein didn't know the universe was expanding and Guth and Linde discovered inflation ~ 25 years after Einstein's passing. Without the pressure term in the metric our universe wouldn't even exist. A dominant cosmological term caused the inflation [it was actually real natural phenomena described by the pressure term just to make that clear]. Einstein may have thought he messed up but it turns out he was right.

WMAP best candidate for inflation theory is the Guth model. This is pretty spectacular in itself. In my opinion the two best, non mathematical, books on modern physics are Alan Guth, The Inflationary Universe and Kip Thorne, Black Holes and Time Warps. My reasoning is Guth covers the history of cosmological related science, and Thorne covers the history of modern gravitational physics.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 12 2011, 12:49 AM)
A warp metric is an area of mathematics that describes a special case of curvature. An acceleration drive is a machine that will curve space-time. You would need such a machine if you wanted to physically warp space.

QUOTE
An acceleration drive is a machine that will curve space-time.  You would need such a machine if you wanted to physically warp space.
What do you think this machine would do?
It might be something best be done by mind power?
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Nov 12 2011, 01:20 AM)
This is pretty good stuff. It was written in 1999 so it doesn't include references to the WMAP experimental results which makes the cosmological constant the best candidate for dark energy.

Look at this and see how the cosmological constant applies to inflation.

http://web.mit.edu/physics/news/physicsatm...2_cosmology.pdf

Einstein didn't know the universe was expanding and Guth and Linde discovered inflation ~ 25 years after Einstein's passing. Without the pressure term in the metric our universe wouldn't even exist. A dominant cosmological term caused the inflation [it was actually real natural phenomena described by the pressure term just to make that clear]. Einstein may have thought he messed up but it turns out he was right.

WMAP best candidate for inflation theory is the Guth model. This is pretty spectacular in itself. In my opinion the two best, non mathematical, books on modern physics are Alan Guth, The Inflationary Universe and Kip Thorne, Black Holes and Time Warps.  My reasoning is Guth covers the history of cosmological related science, and Thorne covers the history of modern gravitational physics.

Dark energy causes the universe to expand. From the article, http://super.colorado.edu/~michaele/Lambda/lambda.html,

QUOTE
The cosmological constant is an extra term in Einstein's equations of general relativity which physically represents the possibility that there is a density and pressure associated with "empty" space.

So there is a density & pressure associated with empty space that causes the universe to expand.

Robittybob1,
A machine that can warp space-time is the same as machine that can generate a gravity field. It can attract or repel massive objects like a tractor beam. Alternatively, it can cause whatever it's attached to to accelerate. That's the idea.
brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 12 2011, 12:49 AM)
A warp metric is an area of mathematics that describes a special case of curvature.  An acceleration drive is a machine that will curve space-time.  You would need such a machine if you wanted to physically warp space.

I wanted to take a closer look at the cosmological constant as a means to physically build an acceleration drive.  I don't think that the warp metric that you're referring to even mentions the c constant.

No, you're just making up stuff to fit a paradigm. You don't understand the warp metric. The following are three papers which discuss the warp metric and issues related to exotic matter for creating the metric spacetime and operating a ship inside the warp bubble. One of our members is an author for the first two papers.

Reduced Total Energy Requirements for a Modified Alcubierre Warp Drive Spacetime

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0107097

A causally connected superluminal warp drive space-time

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0202021

On the Problems of Hazardous Matter and Radiation at Faster than Light Speeds in the Warp Drive Space-Time

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0207109

All three are revealing. Interesting to read even if you don't get the math.
Mazulu
"The reason for this choice is the fact that  acts as a scalar
field to exploit negative energy densities [4]. In reference to [9] we can write an
arbitrary metric for a single “warped” extra dimension that has 3-D rotational

I copied this from page 7 of Loup, Waite, Halerewicz: Reduced total energy requirements. There is a symbol, capital lambda. Can anyone tell from reading the article what that \Lambda is?
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 12 2011, 02:48 AM)
"The reason for this choice is the fact that  acts as a scalar
field to exploit negative energy densities [4]. In reference to [9] we can write an
arbitrary metric for a single “warped” extra dimension that has 3-D rotational

I copied this from page 7 of Loup, Waite, Halerewicz: Reduced total energy requirements. There is a symbol, capital lambda. Can anyone tell from reading the article what that \Lambda is?

So even if you can get the equations to work will you then be able to convert that into a machine?
What sort of things could a machine do? How could it produce this field. Just think something up what's going through your head? What might it be like?
Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Nov 12 2011, 03:12 AM)
So even if you can get the equations to work will you then be able to convert that into a machine?
What sort of things could a machine do? How could it produce this field. Just think something up what's going through your head? What might it be like?

Robittybob1,
Before I do anything, I need to find out what kind of function will be a solution to the flat space-time metric, ds^2 = -dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2. I want to know if the solution can be in the form of a Fourier series.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 12 2011, 10:26 AM)
Robittybob1,
Before I do anything, I need to find out what kind of function will be a solution to the flat space-time metric, ds^2 = -dt^2 + dx^2 + dy^2 + dz^2. I want to know if the solution can be in the form of a Fourier series.

I have wasted time on things like that too, and just to be witty before I go off to bed .... you can spend years doing the formulas but it will come down to something like
"If you want it to move you will have to get out and push it."
Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Nov 12 2011, 10:59 AM)
I have wasted time on things like that too, and just to be witty before I go off to bed .... you can spend years doing the formulas but it will come down to something like
"If you want it to move you will have to get out and push it."

I hope it doesn't come down to that; pushing it I mean. And for anyone who thinks they can use a black hole to build an Alcubierre drive, I'll just say this: don't get to close.
Rubberball
four things to be taken into account.

In hydrodynamics,

Ir-rotational Radial Flow/Inverse Square Law/Coulomb Force
Centrifugal Repulsion (important for defying gravity in orbital mechanics)
The Gyroscopic, Coriolis Force (F = vXB)
Angular Force ∂A/∂t induction.

i believe you must, at least account for these forces.

Ill even include a link for you to look into these claims.
http://www.wbabin.net/science/tombe6.pdf
Rubberball
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 12 2011, 11:45 AM)
anyone who thinks they can use a black hole to build an Alcubierre drive, I'll just say this:  don't get to close.

Tractor beam function.

to create a potential higher then the object you wish to repel, or attract.

example, object A has a mass, it has a movement, and an electric-potential.

the attracting , or repelling force will only work if you are close enough to object A, with object B, that has a greater electric potential.
Mazulu
QUOTE (brucep+Nov 12 2011, 02:13 AM)
No, you're just making up stuff to fit a paradigm. You don't understand the warp metric. The following are three papers which discuss the warp metric and issues related to exotic matter for creating the metric spacetime and operating a ship inside the warp bubble. One of our members is an author for the first two papers.

Reduced Total Energy Requirements for a Modified Alcubierre Warp Drive Spacetime

http://xxx.lanl.gov/abs/gr-qc/0107097

A causally connected superluminal warp drive space-time

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0202021

On the Problems of Hazardous Matter and Radiation at Faster than Light Speeds in the Warp Drive Space-Time

http://lanl.arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0207109

All three are revealing. Interesting to read even if you don't get the math.

brucep,
QUOTE
What is interesting to note about eq. (41) is that it can make the 4-D warp drive function g(ρ), appear to be generated from a cosmologic term of order g(ρ) in AdS space.

From the article,
QUOTE (->
 QUOTE What is interesting to note about eq. (41) is that it can make the 4-D warp drive function g(ρ), appear to be generated from a cosmologic term of order g(ρ) in AdS space.

From the article,
In other words using a Pfenning inspired boundary condition it takes just
under one earth mass to achieve a velocity 100 times that of light.

Great! We just happen to have one earth mass right here. I wonder if anybody is using it? Do you think anyone would mind if we borrowed it?

AlexG
This is just too stupid for words to describe.

Mazulu, you're a crank who knows nothing about physics.

Your postings are more than useless, they lower the average level of intelligence of the human race.
Mazulu
QUOTE (AlexG+Nov 13 2011, 12:56 AM)
This is just too stupid for words to describe.

Mazulu, you're a crank who knows nothing about  physics.

Your postings are more than useless, they lower the average level of intelligence of the human race.

alexg,
I quoted from the article you stupid cow; what more do you want? This is proof to everyone that you are not here to talk to about physics.

GET OFF MY TOPIC!!!
Mazulu
The warp metric describes what has to be done to space-time in order to get a superluminal drive.

QUOTE (http://xxx.lanl.gov/PS_cache/gr-qc/pdf/0107/0107097v2.pdf+)
Notice that the bulk comsomologic term bk acts to flip the negative energy
our local brane. This can be expected because a brane with negative tension
can contribute and act positively within a higher dimensional brane [8], and
therefore appear to violate the NEC (Null Energy Condition).

If we're talking about brane tension, then we have to look at AdS/CFT correspondence.
This includes+)
In physics, the AdS/CFT correspondence (anti de Sitter/conformal field theory correspondence), sometimes called the Maldacena duality, is the conjectured equivalence between a string theory and gravity defined on one space, and a quantum field theory without gravity defined on the conformal boundary of this space, whose dimension is lower by one or more. The name suggests that the first space is the product of anti de Sitter space (AdS) with some closed manifold like sphere, orbifold, or noncommutative space, and that the quantum field theory is a conformal field theory (CFT).

I'm trying to get quantum field theory and gravity in the same mathematical model.
AlexG
QUOTE
I'm trying to get quantum field theory and gravity in the same mathematical model.

Since you know no math or physics at all, that's not going to happen.
Mazulu
QUOTE (AlexG+Nov 13 2011, 01:59 AM)

Since you know no math or physics at all, that's not going to happen.

I said GET OFF MY TOPIC!!! If you post here again with your crap, I'll post a warning about you with negative feedback. Piss off you stupid cow.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 12 2011, 08:30 PM)
I'm trying to get quantum field theory and gravity in the same mathematical model.

Yeah... Good luck with that. Actual scientists have been working that problem for something like 60 years now.

And your little threats to Alex have got to be the stupidest thing I've seen on this forum for a while now. Thanks for the laughs, ya fuсking morоn.
flyingbuttressman
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 12 2011, 10:24 PM)
I said GET OFF MY TOPIC!!! If you post here again with your crap, I'll post a warning about you with negative feedback. Piss off you stupid cow.

There's no moderator or feedback. Just us.
Mazulu
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Nov 13 2011, 03:27 AM)

Yeah... Good luck with that. Actual scientists have been working that problem for something like 60 years now.

And your little threats to Alex have got to be the stupidest thing I've seen on this forum for a while now. Thanks for the laughs, ya fuсking morоn.

That's odd, the Warn/Feedback window doesn't work now. Very well, I will leave. There are too many stupid cows here who are full of ***. You and others CAN'T talk about physics, so you make personal attacks and call that physics.

Since this is not a physics website, it's a personal attack website, they should change the website name to,

GO_F-U-C-K_YOURSELF.com
AlexG
QUOTE
Very well, I will leave

We can only hope you mean it.

Odds are pretty good though that you don't.
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (AlexG+Nov 12 2011, 11:16 PM)

We can only hope you mean it.

Odds are pretty good though that you don't.

23 to 1, to be exact.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+Nov 13 2011, 05:51 AM)
23 to 1, to be exact.

Is this forum going to be too quite without Mazulu?
Mazulu
Come to think of it, you're right. I don't have mastery of the mathematics of these topics. Yet somehow, I know what to ask and where to look. I have an instinct for the physics. I know how to find what is needed to make the Alcubierre drive possible. I've been getting help from a Higher Power that wants to help. But I've been blocked by a herd of stupid cows who don't want to talk about physics; all they want to do is dodge relevant points and spew their hatred.

The human race is not barbaric. Most humans are kind and good. It is only a few stupid cows who are evil and rotten to the core. Good people want to beat their heads in with shovels, but they don't because they are good people.

Getting back to physics which is the only reason I post, I have this to say. If you're looking for exotic particles to generate negative energy, good luck, because you won't find any. You'll have better luck finding unicorns. In order to get the negative energy needed for the Alcubierre drive, you have to transmit redshift. Redshift transmission acts on the quantum vacuum which in turn curves space-time. You don't need much energy to do this; you need a correct method. In order to prove this mathematically, you'll have to look at AdS/CFT correspondence because it includes both gravity and quantum mechanics. How many of you knew that? Obviously MooPants has cowshit in his head, so he doesn't know.

There are alien spaceships flying around the earth and in orbit. Do you think they power their ships with a mass-energy content equal to that of the earth? Of course not. Otherwise there spaceships would disturb the orbits of satellites, the moon and everything else. Airplane pilot observers would be complaining about a lot more than just lights going by. It's about METHOD, not mass. Spaceships with a hyperdrive could be powered by small nuclear generators. They don't use the stress energy tensor to curve space-time; they transmit redshift into the quantum vacuum which, in turn, curves space-time.

Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 13 2011, 07:33 AM)
Come to think of it, you're right. I don't have mastery of the mathematics of these topics. Yet somehow, I know what to ask and where to look. I have an instinct for the physics. I know how to find what is needed to make the Alcubierre drive possible. I've been getting help from a Higher Power that wants to help. But I've been blocked by a herd of stupid cows who don't want to talk about physics; all they want to do is dodge relevant points and spew their hatred.

The human race is not barbaric. Most humans are kind and good. It is only a few stupid cows who are evil and rotten to the core. Good people want to beat their heads in with shovels, but they don't because they are good people.

Getting back to physics which is the only reason I post, I have this to say. If you're looking for exotic particles to generate negative energy, good luck, because you won't find any. You'll have better luck finding unicorns. In order to get the negative energy needed for the Alcubierre drive, you have to transmit redshift. Redshift transmission acts on the quantum vacuum which in turn curves space-time. You don't need much energy to do this; you need a correct method. In order to prove this mathematically, you'll have to look at AdS/CFT correspondence because it includes both gravity and quantum mechanics. How many of you knew that? Obviously MooPants has cowshit in his head, so he doesn't know.

There are alien spaceships flying around the earth and in orbit. Do you think they power their ships with a mass-energy content equal to that of the earth? Of course not. Otherwise there spaceships would disturb the orbits of satellites, the moon and everything else. Airplane pilot observers would be complaining about a lot more than just lights going by. It's about METHOD, not mass. Spaceships with a hyperdrive could be powered by small nuclear generators. They don't use the stress energy tensor to curve space-time; they transmit redshift into the quantum vacuum which, in turn, curves space-time.

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I've been getting help from a Higher Power that wants to help.

When this happened to me they thought I was insane. It is worth considering whether you are deluded or whether it is real. Have you tested your source for reliability? I found that really confusing too when people would say you are being spoken to by deceiving spirits. So what I did was to ask that all these messages stop. And they stopped for it was just too bizarre, and I would have been locked up if it had continued.

At one stage I was so terrified aliens were coming to get me, I buried myself alive in this small cave till I experienced anoxia, and my brain was on the point of death, blacking in and out, and I just had enough strength to let a little air in again and I survived. ( I imagined they thought I had died and since then they have left me alone.)

It can be a very fearful experience, so be careful.

What form are the messages?

What exactly has the Higher Power told you?
brucep
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 13 2011, 07:33 AM)
Come to think of it, you're right.  I don't have mastery of the mathematics of these topics.  Yet somehow, I know what to ask and where to look.  I have an instinct for the physics.  I know how to find what is needed to make the Alcubierre drive possible.  I've been getting help from a Higher Power that wants to help.  But I've been blocked by a herd of stupid cows who don't want to talk about physics; all they want to do is dodge relevant points and spew their hatred.

The human race is not barbaric.  Most humans are kind and good.  It is only a few stupid cows who are evil and rotten to the core.  Good people want to beat their heads in with shovels, but they don't because they are good people.

Getting back to physics which is the only reason I post, I have this to say.  If you're looking for exotic particles to generate negative energy, good luck, because you won't find any.  You'll have better luck finding unicorns.  In order to get the negative energy needed for the Alcubierre drive, you have to transmit redshift.  Redshift transmission acts on the quantum vacuum which in turn curves space-time.  You don't need much energy to do this; you need a correct method.  In order to prove this mathematically, you'll have to look at AdS/CFT correspondence because it includes both gravity and quantum mechanics.  How many of you knew that?  Obviously MooPants has cowshit in his head, so he doesn't know.

There are alien spaceships flying around the earth and in orbit.  Do you think they power their ships with a mass-energy content equal to that of the earth?  Of course not.  Otherwise there spaceships would disturb the orbits of satellites, the moon and everything else.  Airplane pilot observers would be complaining about a lot more than just lights going by.   It's about METHOD, not mass.  Spaceships with a hyperdrive could be powered by small nuclear generators.  They don't use the stress energy tensor to curve space-time; they transmit redshift into the quantum vacuum which, in turn, curves space-time.

Mazulu said:

"In order to get the negative energy needed for the Alcubierre drive, you have to transmit redshift. Redshift transmission acts on the quantum vacuum which in turn curves space-time. You don't need much energy to do this; you need a correct method. In order to prove this mathematically, you'll have to look at AdS/CFT correspondence because it includes both gravity and quantum mechanics. How many of you knew that?"

Trolling nonsense mixed with a bit of mental illness.

The only way you can make such statements without being 'mortified embarrassed' is if you actually believe what you're saying. That's the mental illness part. As time passes you're getting more delusional. The delusions of grandeur are a sign of bipolar disorder or schizophrenia. Hope it's just your innate desire to be a dork and none of the serious stuff.

So you actually didn't know the feedback system has been turned off?
Mazulu
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Nov 13 2011, 08:03 AM)

When this happened to me they thought I was insane.  It is worth considering whether you are deluded or whether it is real.  Have you tested your source for reliability?  I found that really confusing too when people would say you are being spoken to by deceiving spirits.  So what I did was to ask that all these messages stop.  And they stopped for it was just too bizarre, and I would have been locked up if it had continued.

At one stage I was so terrified aliens were coming to get me, I buried myself alive in this small cave till I experienced anoxia, and my brain was on the point of death, blacking in and out, and I just had enough strength to let a little air in again and I survived.  ( I imagined they thought I had died and since then they have left me alone.)

It can be a very fearful experience, so be careful.

What form are the messages?

What exactly has the Higher Power told you?

Robittybob1,
Did you really bury yourself alive? You're yanking my chain, aren't you.

A lot of the guidance I got involved instructions of how to use common sense. A lot of it knowing what you want and not getting sidetracked by distractions.

The articles said that the ability to generate negative potential energy is an important part of the Alcubierre drive. We could talk about that. Links to articles we're provided, but nobody is going to quote from them or talk about them.

Robittybob1
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 13 2011, 08:43 AM)
Robittybob1,
Did you really bury yourself alive? You're yanking my chain, aren't you.

A lot of the guidance I got involved instructions of how to use common sense. A lot of it knowing what you want and not getting sidetracked by distractions.

The articles said that the ability to generate negative potential energy is an important part of the Alcubierre drive. We could talk about that. Links to articles we're provided, but nobody is going to quote from them or talk about them.

No, why would I lie to you. I was in a state which so unusual I became scared. I could easily imagine it could happen to you as well. Getting all this information and when you get close to the answer, you might get paranoid that they will want to test you to see how your brain works. Every helicopter flying over head will become suspicious. Your mind is in a state of fear and flight.

In my case I thought "it was all going to happen that night, and I didn't want to go". So I thought "I would hide in the tunnel the kids and I had built". I stayed in there for 8 hours and i knew the oxygen levels were getting lower and lower for hours I had to breath deeper and deeper to get enough air, until that point where my brain told me you are dying, and I was. It was a pulsating sensation, and my muscles were cramping up.
So once the fresh air came to me again, I symbolised that as a "new life I became a baby again, and I walked out of the womb of the Earth a new man". I left all my clothes behind in the tunnel and walked up the hill to my house stark naked.

The paranoia had not quite left me but it was a way less. I felt they had came and looked for me but I had gone, become "dust to dust". Basically I got on top of all my fears from then on, for I felt I had overcome them.

Later I studied what could have gone wrong to me, and there seemed to be a condition akin to mental illness when you seek for the Truth. Like a lot of the people in the Bible. When you look at their behaviour it was pretty bizarre, in a most cases.

Even Jesus' family got together and worried that he had gone mad.

So be careful.
AlexG
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 13 2011, 02:33 AM)
I have an instinct for the physics.

I think I hurt myself laughing at this.

As for the rest, wow, you really are crazy.

Did you recently stop taking your meds?
Robittybob1
QUOTE (AlexG+Nov 13 2011, 05:08 PM)

I think I hurt myself laughing at this.

As for the rest, wow, you really are crazy.

Did you recently stop taking your meds?

Fortunately I have never had to have any medication at all. Any psychological tests they have put me through I have passed.
Now whether or not Mazulu has gone through tests I don't know.
But I can see where this might be leading if the technology gets too real, too likely, and he feels like the aliens aren't that happy that the humans have taken their ideas.

He could get very cornered and fearful and who knows what will happen then.

One way to cope with that Mazulu is to email your work to a group of associates so that you can rest assured you are not the only one with the information.
I'll send you an email to send any documents you want saved.
Harry Ballsonya
QUOTE (Robittybob1+Nov 13 2011, 06:52 PM)
Fortunately I have never had to have any medication at all. Any psychological tests they have put me through I have passed.

It is unfortunate because you need meds.
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Harry Ballsonya+Nov 13 2011, 08:04 PM)
It is unfortunate because you need meds.

How can you say that?
When did you start taking your medications?
For it will interesting to hear how they have improved your mental state.
Harry Ballsonya
I'm sorry but your behavior is clearly abnormal.

QUOTE (Robittybob1+)
When this happened to me they thought I was insane. It is worth considering whether you are deluded or whether it is real. Have you tested your source for reliability? I found that really confusing too when people would say you are being spoken to by deceiving spirits. So what I did was to ask that all these messages stop. And they stopped for it was just too bizarre, and I would have been locked up if it had continued.

At one stage I was so terrified aliens were coming to get me, I buried myself alive in this small cave till I experienced anoxia, and my brain was on the point of death, blacking in and out, and I just had enough strength to let a little air in again and I survived. ( I imagined they thought I had died and since then they have left me alone.)

It can be a very fearful experience, so be careful.

What form are the messages?

What exactly has the Higher Power told you?

Need I say more?
Robittybob1
QUOTE (Harry Ballsonya+Nov 13 2011, 08:23 PM)
I'm sorry but your behavior is clearly abnormal.

Are you talking about an incident 21 years ago or now?
MjolnirPants
QUOTE (Mazulu+Nov 13 2011, 02:33 AM)
I've been getting help from a Higher Power that wants to help.
This translates into Reasonable-ese as "I have delusions of grandeur and I hear voices in my head."

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The human race is not barbaric.  Most humans are kind and good.  It is only a few stupid cows who are evil and rotten to the core.  Good people want to beat their heads in with shovels, but they don't because they are good people.
Yes, we are barbaric, in fact: We invented the concept of barbarism.

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 QUOTE The human race is not barbaric.  Most humans are kind and good.  It is only a few stupid cows who are evil and rotten to the core.  Good people want to beat their heads in with shovels, but they don't because they are good people.
Yes, we are barbaric, in fact: We invented the concept of barbarism.

In order to get the negative energy needed for the Alcubierre drive, you have to transmit redshift.  Redshift transmission acts on the quantum vacuum which in turn curves space-time.
1. You cannot "transmit" redshift. Redshift is something that happens, not something that exists. This is like saying you have to build misanthropy. It's completely nonsensical.
2. Gravity curves space-time, not the quantum vacuum.
3. Even if redshift existed, you would have no way of knowing what it would do if "transmitted" because you're not a physicist.

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Obviously MooPants has cowshit in his head, so he doesn't know.
Your claim would have to be both true and relevant to call out any "Betcha didn't know that!" arguments.

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 QUOTE Obviously MooPants has cowshit in his head, so he doesn't know.
Your claim would have to be both true and relevant to call out any "Betcha didn't know that!" arguments.

There are alien spaceships flying around the earth and in orbit.
Again, this translates as "I'm fuсking curaaaaaa-zy!"
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