At what point if possible could our entire universe fold time with its expanding acceleration? If galaxies and black holes are able to survive long enough, would they become pure energy light waves traveling through time?
Could the fact that we are gaining speed, moving away from the center starting point be an exciting revelation in the existence of matter or even coded sequences of life, as energy?
Could there be a something like a heaven and maybe even Gods after all, just not as we assume to know them presently?
I'm just asking questions, but I'd like to hear thoughts or criticism on the validity of these things.
i'm not quite understanding your questions however
1. to me time is created by the expansion of space, so to answer your question the moment the universe started expanding, time began.
2. Hawking radiation may offer you some interesting thoughts on the "fizzle out" of balck holes. I miss your point completely with "or even coded sequences of life, as energy"
3. It is gnerally accepted that there is no "centre" of the universe. How could there be if there was no space to begin with ?
4. Of course its possible, everything is possible, its only a question of probability.
1. to me time is created by the expansion of space, so to answer your question the moment the universe started expanding, time began.
2. Hawking radiation may offer you some interesting thoughts on the "fizzle out" of balck holes. I miss your point completely with "or even coded sequences of life, as energy"
3. It is gnerally accepted that there is no "centre" of the universe. How could there be if there was no space to begin with ?
4. Of course its possible, everything is possible, its only a question of probability.
Sorry, maybe I can explain what I'm trying to understand as a question myself, a little better.
Facts: The universe is not going to collapse back into itself, gravity has lost. The universe is now actually accelerating as it expands.
*As you approach the speed of light, you become energy/light itself? right?
Question: If the universe is speeding up, and not slowing down -- Will it get closer and closer to the speed of light (black holes and whatever other matter is still around), and could it become energy? As heavier elements or more complex life sequences develop, could those also become light/energy AND in turn could those things be time traveling into the future at those speeds?
Could energy develop intelligence and rule the dimensions of time and space? Even matter/anti-matter?
I'm not trying to get religious or sound sci-fi'ish here. I'm trying to think of the end processes as being a new beginning or even a possible advancement the process of life if it can mature and time travel through the fabric of the universe.
Facts: The universe is not going to collapse back into itself, gravity has lost. The universe is now actually accelerating as it expands.
*As you approach the speed of light, you become energy/light itself? right?
Question: If the universe is speeding up, and not slowing down -- Will it get closer and closer to the speed of light (black holes and whatever other matter is still around), and could it become energy? As heavier elements or more complex life sequences develop, could those also become light/energy AND in turn could those things be time traveling into the future at those speeds?
Could energy develop intelligence and rule the dimensions of time and space? Even matter/anti-matter?
I'm not trying to get religious or sound sci-fi'ish here. I'm trying to think of the end processes as being a new beginning or even a possible advancement the process of life if it can mature and time travel through the fabric of the universe.
i am interested in the evidence that suggests that gravity has lost. are you able to reference it please. let me say that we are energy now. matter is energy, energy is matter, that type of thing.
as you increase your speed you gain energy, you do not become energy/light itself.
the universe is speeding up is not the end of the description. to my understanding it is the space within the universe that is expanding. there have been objects (such as many radio galaxies, blazars, quasars and recently also in microquasars) detected that would appear to be receding from us at speeds around light speed. again as you increase your speed you gain energy, you do not become energy/light itself.
i hope that any form of intelligence that can harness matter/anti matter will also gain the wisdom that universal rule does not gain as much as a universal unity. i have no idea if energy could develop intelligence in that the 100watt light globe above my head is adding numbers together, but i guess you could say that from the "big bang" that intelligence (here on earth at least) has developed.
as for advancement of life, check out some writings of stephen hawking on the subject of "we need to get off the earth".
as you increase your speed you gain energy, you do not become energy/light itself.
the universe is speeding up is not the end of the description. to my understanding it is the space within the universe that is expanding. there have been objects (such as many radio galaxies, blazars, quasars and recently also in microquasars) detected that would appear to be receding from us at speeds around light speed. again as you increase your speed you gain energy, you do not become energy/light itself.
i hope that any form of intelligence that can harness matter/anti matter will also gain the wisdom that universal rule does not gain as much as a universal unity. i have no idea if energy could develop intelligence in that the 100watt light globe above my head is adding numbers together, but i guess you could say that from the "big bang" that intelligence (here on earth at least) has developed.
as for advancement of life, check out some writings of stephen hawking on the subject of "we need to get off the earth".
The actual passage of Time is accelerating.
Currently on Earth, one year is now passing in approximately 8 month intervals, and that is a loss of 3-4 months per year.
A 7 day week now passes in about 5 days, when compared to previous time passages from 5 years ago.
A widespread poll of 'all age groups' has revealed: "Time has accelerated and is passing much faster now!"
It is believed to be a direct result of the accelerated expansion in the fabric of Space/Time.
Currently on Earth, one year is now passing in approximately 8 month intervals, and that is a loss of 3-4 months per year.
A 7 day week now passes in about 5 days, when compared to previous time passages from 5 years ago.
A widespread poll of 'all age groups' has revealed: "Time has accelerated and is passing much faster now!"
It is believed to be a direct result of the accelerated expansion in the fabric of Space/Time.
QUOTE (THE FIFTH KNIGHT+Jul 26 2009, 07:46 AM)
The actual passage of Time is accelerating.
Currently on Earth, one year is now passing in approximately 8 month intervals, and that is a loss of 3-4 months per year.
A 7 day week now passes in about 5 days, when compared to previous time passages from 5 years ago.
A widespread poll of 'all age groups' has revealed: "Time has accelerated and is passing much faster now!"
It is believed to be a direct result of the accelerated expansion in the fabric of Space/Time.
Sounds like an idiot's been reading The Onion.
Currently on Earth, one year is now passing in approximately 8 month intervals, and that is a loss of 3-4 months per year.
A 7 day week now passes in about 5 days, when compared to previous time passages from 5 years ago.
A widespread poll of 'all age groups' has revealed: "Time has accelerated and is passing much faster now!"
It is believed to be a direct result of the accelerated expansion in the fabric of Space/Time.
Sounds like an idiot's been reading The Onion.
G'day from the land of ozzzzz
Take your time and go through the hubble site and observe all the images on galaxies and so on.
You will notice a clustering effect and that's why they call them galaxy clusters.
No observable expansion.
What we actually see is matter gravity bound.
Gravity does not lose out.
http://aps.arxiv.org/abs/0810.1744
Falsifying Paradigms for Cosmic Acceleration
Authors: Michael J. Mortonson (KICP, University of Chicago), Wayne Hu (KICP, University of Chicago), Dragan Huterer (University of Michigan)
(Submitted on 9 Oct 2008)
Take your time and go through the hubble site and observe all the images on galaxies and so on.
You will notice a clustering effect and that's why they call them galaxy clusters.
No observable expansion.
What we actually see is matter gravity bound.
Gravity does not lose out.
http://aps.arxiv.org/abs/0810.1744
Falsifying Paradigms for Cosmic Acceleration
Authors: Michael J. Mortonson (KICP, University of Chicago), Wayne Hu (KICP, University of Chicago), Dragan Huterer (University of Michigan)
(Submitted on 9 Oct 2008)
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Abstract: Consistency relations between growth of structure and expansion history observables exist for any physical explanation of cosmic acceleration, be it a cosmological constant, scalar field quintessence, or a general component of dark energy that is smooth relative to dark matter on small scales. The high-quality supernova sample anticipated from an experiment like SNAP and CMB data expected from Planck thus make strong predictions for growth and expansion observables that additional observations can test and potentially falsify. We perform an MCMC likelihood exploration of the strength of these consistency relations based on a complete parametrization of dark energy behavior by principal components. For LCDM, future SN and CMB data make percent level predictions for growth and expansion observables. For quintessence, many of the predictions are still at a level of a few percent with most of the additional freedom coming from curvature and early dark energy. While such freedom is limited for quintessence where phantom equations of state are forbidden, it is larger in the smooth dark energy class. Nevertheless, even in this general class predictions relating growth measurements at different redshifts remain robust, although predictions for the instantaneous growth rate do not. Finally, if observations falsify the whole smooth dark energy class, new paradigms for cosmic acceleration such as modified gravity or interacting dark matter and dark energy would be required.
Time would slow down if it is related to expansion of space. That is possible as time does slow down where expansion of space is slow as around large masses. Slowing of time may be due to slower expansion of space and not due to gravity. www.timephysics.com
G'day
Time cannot change. Its not an Item that has physical parts like matter or energy that is able to change.
What we measure time with can change due to physical changes due do inertia or communication.
Time cannot change. Its not an Item that has physical parts like matter or energy that is able to change.
What we measure time with can change due to physical changes due do inertia or communication.
QUOTE (onncii+Oct 25 2006, 02:47 AM)
If galaxies and black holes are able to survive long enough, would they become pure energy light waves traveling through time?
The idea that dilation is a form of progressive entropy also has me wondering about what (would) eventually happen to matter after a long period of dilation. My guess would be that it would slowly disintegrate into clouds of particles. I would guess that atoms would become increasingly less stable and fission apart. Then, maybe, protons and electrons would drift away from each other. I don't know if those elementary particles can dilate further or not.
If the universe is surrounded by a cloud of such disintegrated matter, I wonder what happens to it. Is it somehow attracted by the gravity of less dilated mass somewhere? Or is progressive space-dilation a one-way process with permanent loss of gravitation? Maybe particles do eventually lose mass completely and transform into EM radiation (light).
Is the speed of light altered by space-time dilation? If so could a level of dilation be reached where the speed of space-time dilation exceeds the speed light can travel through it?
The idea that dilation is a form of progressive entropy also has me wondering about what (would) eventually happen to matter after a long period of dilation. My guess would be that it would slowly disintegrate into clouds of particles. I would guess that atoms would become increasingly less stable and fission apart. Then, maybe, protons and electrons would drift away from each other. I don't know if those elementary particles can dilate further or not.
If the universe is surrounded by a cloud of such disintegrated matter, I wonder what happens to it. Is it somehow attracted by the gravity of less dilated mass somewhere? Or is progressive space-dilation a one-way process with permanent loss of gravitation? Maybe particles do eventually lose mass completely and transform into EM radiation (light).
Is the speed of light altered by space-time dilation? If so could a level of dilation be reached where the speed of space-time dilation exceeds the speed light can travel through it?
G'day
There are some interesting papers that are written on the subject.
Use arXiv to search and do a bit of research.
I'd post some links. But! I was told not to.
As for Black holes
Black holes without singularities are basically degenerate matter that is compacted beyond Nuclear density, they mimic the theoretical Black hole that has the hyperthetical singularity.
There are some interesting papers that are written on the subject.
Use arXiv to search and do a bit of research.
I'd post some links. But! I was told not to.
As for Black holes
Black holes without singularities are basically degenerate matter that is compacted beyond Nuclear density, they mimic the theoretical Black hole that has the hyperthetical singularity.
Harry Costas
Once you start thinking about what is beyond the event horizon of a black hole you must first realize a few things.
1. Time and Gravity/Mass are intertwinned by light and it's properties(it's speed), if G/M could travel at that speed(an impossibility) it would have no time at all. The photon experiences no time, it does not lose energy, it does not change(in relation to itself). It can be said(by the photon if it could talk)to exist at every point it has come in contact with along the path it has taken through space at the same time and that would be true from it's viewpoint.
2. Due to the above, time(as we know it)ceases to move at the exact same point that the escape velocity from a BH is the speed of light.
3. Matter as we know it also ceases to exist at the Event Horizon(or, I should say under the conditions of space/time and mass/energy conversion occuring at that distance or less from the center of gravity). It is under the same conditions as under the first few seconds of the BB, pure energy, so much energy that it creates the enduring gravity of a BH.
4. It seems that our Universe has many more dimensions than the three of space and one half of a time dimension we experience. It is possible that the other half time dimension exists under the conditions of a BH, a dimension that only connects those BHs with the Big Bang, thus avoiding all paradoxs(paradoxi) by short circuiting right back to the very beginning, who knows.
There is a whole lot more to discover about the Universe than we know now, it is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than you caan imagine.
Grumpy
Once you start thinking about what is beyond the event horizon of a black hole you must first realize a few things.
1. Time and Gravity/Mass are intertwinned by light and it's properties(it's speed), if G/M could travel at that speed(an impossibility) it would have no time at all. The photon experiences no time, it does not lose energy, it does not change(in relation to itself). It can be said(by the photon if it could talk)to exist at every point it has come in contact with along the path it has taken through space at the same time and that would be true from it's viewpoint.
2. Due to the above, time(as we know it)ceases to move at the exact same point that the escape velocity from a BH is the speed of light.
3. Matter as we know it also ceases to exist at the Event Horizon(or, I should say under the conditions of space/time and mass/energy conversion occuring at that distance or less from the center of gravity). It is under the same conditions as under the first few seconds of the BB, pure energy, so much energy that it creates the enduring gravity of a BH.
4. It seems that our Universe has many more dimensions than the three of space and one half of a time dimension we experience. It is possible that the other half time dimension exists under the conditions of a BH, a dimension that only connects those BHs with the Big Bang, thus avoiding all paradoxs(paradoxi) by short circuiting right back to the very beginning, who knows.
There is a whole lot more to discover about the Universe than we know now, it is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than you caan imagine.
Grumpy
G'day Grumpy
I'd rather think of the actual physical properties of subatomic matter rather then thinking of the time dilation that tends to explain nothing.
Time is an item that has no physical parts an therefore cannot be changed in what ever form.
The physical parts such as EMR can be influenced by gravity and therefore influence the communication process.
The Twin paradox is a prime example where time is influenced by inertia of one of the twins.
I'd rather think of the actual physical properties of subatomic matter rather then thinking of the time dilation that tends to explain nothing.
Time is an item that has no physical parts an therefore cannot be changed in what ever form.
The physical parts such as EMR can be influenced by gravity and therefore influence the communication process.
The Twin paradox is a prime example where time is influenced by inertia of one of the twins.
Gee... contradiction time.
The Twin paradox is a prime example where time is influenced by inertia of one of the twins.
Time can't be changed but it can be influenced?
Do you actually know anything about physics Harry? Anything at all?
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Time is an item that has no physical parts an therefore cannot be changed in what ever form.
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| Time is an item that has no physical parts an therefore cannot be changed in what ever form. |
The Twin paradox is a prime example where time is influenced by inertia of one of the twins.
Time can't be changed but it can be influenced?
Do you actually know anything about physics Harry? Anything at all?
QUOTE (Grumpy+Oct 21 2009, 04:44 PM)
Harry Costas
Once you start thinking about what is beyond the event horizon of a black hole you must first realize a few things.
1. Time and Gravity/Mass are intertwinned by light and it's properties(it's speed), if G/M could travel at that speed(an impossibility) it would have no time at all. The photon experiences no time, it does not lose energy, it does not change(in relation to itself). It can be said(by the photon if it could talk)to exist at every point it has come in contact with along the path it has taken through space at the same time and that would be true from it's viewpoint.
2. Due to the above, time(as we know it)ceases to move at the exact same point that the escape velocity from a BH is the speed of light.
3. Matter as we know it also ceases to exist at the Event Horizon(or, I should say under the conditions of space/time and mass/energy conversion occuring at that distance or less from the center of gravity). It is under the same conditions as under the first few seconds of the BB, pure energy, so much energy that it creates the enduring gravity of a BH.
4. It seems that our Universe has many more dimensions than the three of space and one half of a time dimension we experience. It is possible that the other half time dimension exists under the conditions of a BH, a dimension that only connects those BHs with the Big Bang, thus avoiding all paradoxs(paradoxi) by short circuiting right back to the very beginning, who knows.
There is a whole lot more to discover about the Universe than we know now, it is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than you caan imagine.
Grumpy
This is totally imagery-based thinking, but based on your idea about all black holes short-circuiting space-time back to the big-bang, it makes me picture the fabric of space-time as a sphere, with mass forming dents/craters in the surface of the sphere. So if black holes are infinitely deep dents/craters, then all black holes might indeed feed matter and energy back in space-time to the moment of the big bang. A recursive-generating universe of space-time, interesting.
Still. something seems wrong to me with the imagery of space-time as a 2D plane that bends downward with gravitation. Somehow it seems like looking at a flat projection of the Earth and assuming that all distances and areas are the same scale. I'm not sure why I think this - it's just intuition, I guess.
Once you start thinking about what is beyond the event horizon of a black hole you must first realize a few things.
1. Time and Gravity/Mass are intertwinned by light and it's properties(it's speed), if G/M could travel at that speed(an impossibility) it would have no time at all. The photon experiences no time, it does not lose energy, it does not change(in relation to itself). It can be said(by the photon if it could talk)to exist at every point it has come in contact with along the path it has taken through space at the same time and that would be true from it's viewpoint.
2. Due to the above, time(as we know it)ceases to move at the exact same point that the escape velocity from a BH is the speed of light.
3. Matter as we know it also ceases to exist at the Event Horizon(or, I should say under the conditions of space/time and mass/energy conversion occuring at that distance or less from the center of gravity). It is under the same conditions as under the first few seconds of the BB, pure energy, so much energy that it creates the enduring gravity of a BH.
4. It seems that our Universe has many more dimensions than the three of space and one half of a time dimension we experience. It is possible that the other half time dimension exists under the conditions of a BH, a dimension that only connects those BHs with the Big Bang, thus avoiding all paradoxs(paradoxi) by short circuiting right back to the very beginning, who knows.
There is a whole lot more to discover about the Universe than we know now, it is not only stranger than we know, it is stranger than you caan imagine.
Grumpy
This is totally imagery-based thinking, but based on your idea about all black holes short-circuiting space-time back to the big-bang, it makes me picture the fabric of space-time as a sphere, with mass forming dents/craters in the surface of the sphere. So if black holes are infinitely deep dents/craters, then all black holes might indeed feed matter and energy back in space-time to the moment of the big bang. A recursive-generating universe of space-time, interesting.
Still. something seems wrong to me with the imagery of space-time as a 2D plane that bends downward with gravitation. Somehow it seems like looking at a flat projection of the Earth and assuming that all distances and areas are the same scale. I'm not sure why I think this - it's just intuition, I guess.
G'day
Rob said
The communicated time can be influenced, but time itself cannot be changed, influenced what so ever.
If you have proof of it being influenced, please supply such proof. Until then Xmas is close.
As for knowing about physics, well what do you want to know?
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As for Black holes with singularity it is hyperthetical. No one has ever seen a black hole, event horizon or a singularity.
but! ultra dense matter with density greater then that of nuclear matter can create killing vectors creating trapping horizons that are able to mimic the so called black hole, where light (EMR) cannot escape.
Either way it is not a hole so to speak.
Rob said
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Time can't be changed but it can be influenced?
The communicated time can be influenced, but time itself cannot be changed, influenced what so ever.
If you have proof of it being influenced, please supply such proof. Until then Xmas is close.
As for knowing about physics, well what do you want to know?
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As for Black holes with singularity it is hyperthetical. No one has ever seen a black hole, event horizon or a singularity.
but! ultra dense matter with density greater then that of nuclear matter can create killing vectors creating trapping horizons that are able to mimic the so called black hole, where light (EMR) cannot escape.
Either way it is not a hole so to speak.
Harry Costas
You really are some kind of retard.
You really are some kind of retard.
If you have proof of it being influenced, please supply such proof.
In 1976 the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory sent aloft a Scout rocket to a height of 10,000 km. At this height, a clock should run 4.5 parts in 10^10 faster than one on the Earth. During two hours of free fall from its maximum height, the rocket transmitted timing pulses from a maser oscillator which acted as a clock and which was compared with a similar clock on the ground. This result confirmed the gravitational time dilation relationship to within 0.01%.
And that's just one experiment that shows time dilation due to gravity. Muon decay in the atmosphere also proves dilation due to speed. Decay particles travel much further than possible without factoring in their near light speed dilation effects. Particle accelerators show that fast particles travel longer than their decay times in direct proportion to their tau(percent speed of light on a logrythmic scale). Time dilation is well established science not susceptable to your pseudo-scientific blather.
Grumpy
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The communicated time can be influenced, but time itself cannot be changed, influenced what so ever.
You really are some kind of retard.
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| The communicated time can be influenced, but time itself cannot be changed, influenced what so ever. |
You really are some kind of retard.
If you have proof of it being influenced, please supply such proof.
In 1976 the Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory sent aloft a Scout rocket to a height of 10,000 km. At this height, a clock should run 4.5 parts in 10^10 faster than one on the Earth. During two hours of free fall from its maximum height, the rocket transmitted timing pulses from a maser oscillator which acted as a clock and which was compared with a similar clock on the ground. This result confirmed the gravitational time dilation relationship to within 0.01%.
And that's just one experiment that shows time dilation due to gravity. Muon decay in the atmosphere also proves dilation due to speed. Decay particles travel much further than possible without factoring in their near light speed dilation effects. Particle accelerators show that fast particles travel longer than their decay times in direct proportion to their tau(percent speed of light on a logrythmic scale). Time dilation is well established science not susceptable to your pseudo-scientific blather.
Grumpy
G'day Grumpy
Yes I know the experiment and others similar.
But! do you understand the Twin Paradox?
Yes I know the experiment and others similar.
But! do you understand the Twin Paradox?
QUOTE (Harry Costas+Oct 22 2009, 11:01 PM)
But! do you understand the Twin Paradox?
That doesn't even require any math.
That doesn't even require any math.
G'day Beer
What's your point?
What's your point?
Nope.
G'day
Is Nope a quantum unit?
Is Nope a quantum unit?
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