Nice thread C2, nice post xtrmn8r, can I get a kiss too g- I'm jealous of sapo.
We are between #6 and #7. If I may quote a past post of mine (due to laziness):
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Are we a reflection of what governs us? There is little conscience in the governing body, and we have little political conscience in return. The lack of political integrity is so legion and pervading that we feel powerless against it. In combination with the lack of time to effect real change by virtue of having to be so 'busy', we crush under the weight and become, in steps, complacent, apathetic, despaired, and finally resigned, which undermines social conscience, strengthens powerful political centers, and fractures any potential solidarity.
If events so occur that our lives become second or even third world-like, I believe that apathy and complacency will begin to fall away. Anarchy would be the next step; hopefully we retain enough of our original American spirit to take the failing situation by the reins and do what needs to be done to rectify the situation. No political force is more potent than real solidarity. It is of such extreme strength that it can effect sweeping changes in the face of powerful organized resistance, think only of India.
I am of the belief that only a great event can effect positive changes in our current Zeitgeist. Something that affects us real time, and collectively, quite beyond 9/11. Something that greatly threatens our cherished dependence and greatly increases our available time. Even as recently as thirty years ago a change in our international agenda could have been reasonably accomplished but for our comfort, complacency, and dependence-fueled softness. Alas, no, we need a swift kick to inspire and remind us what our role is in our government, and that we have a role at all.
We keep riding the sinewave of history: fracture unity, create a vaccuum, and it fills with the progeny of irresponsibility. Be forced to reunite, wash out the trough till it sparkles again, and enjoy those fruits until their heredity fades in our memories and collective enervation again bears it's fruit. Such is the way of things.
Irrational centers of influence are mitigated by great events, but the healthiest way to vanquish them is not by force, but by teaching, one person at a time if need be. We may be our brother's keeper to some extent, but we are not the captain of their ship. How many strong, motivated, wise, and selfless people do we have? It's hard to say. I think those qualities are much more latent than active, as we spend most of our time working, and de-stressing from that work, trying to raise families with what little time is left over and keep our heads above the choppy waters. There are 300 million of us. How many teachers do we need to leave to our decendents the true substance, not just a flag and a song?
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Are we a reflection of what governs us? There is little conscience in the governing body, and we have little political conscience in return. The lack of political integrity is so legion and pervading that we feel powerless against it. In combination with the lack of time to effect real change by virtue of having to be so 'busy', we crush under the weight and become, in steps, complacent, apathetic, despaired, and finally resigned, which undermines social conscience, strengthens powerful political centers, and fractures any potential solidarity.
If events so occur that our lives become second or even third world-like, I believe that apathy and complacency will begin to fall away. Anarchy would be the next step; hopefully we retain enough of our original American spirit to take the failing situation by the reins and do what needs to be done to rectify the situation. No political force is more potent than real solidarity. It is of such extreme strength that it can effect sweeping changes in the face of powerful organized resistance, think only of India.
I am of the belief that only a great event can effect positive changes in our current Zeitgeist. Something that affects us real time, and collectively, quite beyond 9/11. Something that greatly threatens our cherished dependence and greatly increases our available time. Even as recently as thirty years ago a change in our international agenda could have been reasonably accomplished but for our comfort, complacency, and dependence-fueled softness. Alas, no, we need a swift kick to inspire and remind us what our role is in our government, and that we have a role at all.
We keep riding the sinewave of history: fracture unity, create a vaccuum, and it fills with the progeny of irresponsibility. Be forced to reunite, wash out the trough till it sparkles again, and enjoy those fruits until their heredity fades in our memories and collective enervation again bears it's fruit. Such is the way of things.
Irrational centers of influence are mitigated by great events, but the healthiest way to vanquish them is not by force, but by teaching, one person at a time if need be. We may be our brother's keeper to some extent, but we are not the captain of their ship. How many strong, motivated, wise, and selfless people do we have? It's hard to say. I think those qualities are much more latent than active, as we spend most of our time working, and de-stressing from that work, trying to raise families with what little time is left over and keep our heads above the choppy waters. There are 300 million of us. How many teachers do we need to leave to our decendents the true substance, not just a flag and a song? |
But this is modern day now. We are far more civilized.
Yes, we have football, and I can't wait for August!
excaza
28th May 2008 - 05:14 PM
Right, some things are different so a general comparison OBVIOUSLY can never happen.
Arrogance in leadership is arrogance, I don't care if they were more 'civilized' or not.
Zarkov
28th May 2008 - 07:02 PM
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Rome held mass murder events as entertainment where citizens would go to watch mock wars where slaves were forced to murder one another.
LOL
no, we have in it our homes... for even kids to see
we have it in films, in news... all there is close up and colour and quadraphonic sound
soon even in holograms.... blood and guts and gore..... in ya face
and if that is not enough for you, get a gun and bring it to your school, mall
or get real, join the army to literately kill, rape and pillage in real time...... with no points lost
sick sick world.... the end is nigh...thank you GOD... I don't want my children to be any part of this world.... yuk
must go home soon.............
excaza
28th May 2008 - 07:25 PM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 28 2008, 02:02 PM)
or get real, join the army to literately kill, rape and pillage in real time...... with no points lost
sick sick world.... the end is nigh...thank you GOD... I don't want my children to be any part of this world.... yuk
must go home soon.............
Good, put on your tinfoil hat and run along. The quoted text just lost you all credibility.
Zarkov
28th May 2008 - 09:21 PM
You must live in an Islamic world
Christian world's are full of violence as I described
How about posting your local TV guide.... LOL... latest films being screened ... ????
LOL
Gorgeous
28th May 2008 - 09:50 PM
QUOTE (soundhertz+May 28 2008, 05:12 PM)
can I get a kiss too g- I'm jealous of sapo.
True Friends
A long time ago in China there were two friends, one who played the harp skillfully and one who listened skillfully.
When the one played or sang about a mountain, the other would say: "I can see the mountain before us."
When the other played about water, the listener would exclaim: "Here is the running stream!"
But the listener fell sick and died. The first friend cut the strings of his harp and never played again. Since that time the cutting of harp strings has always been a sign of intimate friendship.
I send you this because whenever 'sound~hertz', you don't keep 'harping' on about it.
X
Sapo
28th May 2008 - 09:54 PM
Gorgeous, you just have to come to the Joint!
excaza
28th May 2008 - 10:27 PM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 28 2008, 04:21 PM)
You must live in an Islamic world
Christian world's are full of violence as I described
How about posting your local TV guide.... LOL... latest films being screened ... ????
LOL
Right, because the Bible is clean and flowery.
You're ignorant, go away
Gorgeous
28th May 2008 - 11:06 PM
QUOTE (Sapo+May 28 2008, 09:54 PM)
Gorgeous, you just have to come to the Joint!
Hmmm, It might prove controversial?
g.
Quantum_Conundrum
29th May 2008 - 12:04 AM
We have ACTORS who pretend in works of FICTION in which usually a hero defeats a villian.
They had REAL PEOPLE who were usually FORCED to kill one another against their will.
Quantum_Conundrum
29th May 2008 - 12:14 AM
QUOTE ("THEY"+May 28 2008, 11:54 AM)
But this is modern day now. We are far more civilized.
Now we just murder each other with words on the internet!
And humans are supposed to be so much more advanced and intelligent............. HAH.
To me, the two things that are absolutely the most evil about modern western civilization are:
Moral relativity (so called "Subjective Truth")
People who subscribe to this belief seem to be able to justify anything at all. It really is a form of anarchy, but hey, with so many atheists running around these days, it makes perfect sense.
Paradoxically it somehow leads to the "Political Correctness" doctrine, whereby we cannot say anything negative about anything at all, lest we be labled an "extremist".
Abortion (other than to save the mother's life)
Some people, namely the ACLU (Anti-Christian Luciferian Union) and PETA, care more about the mis-guided "sexual freedom" or saving some dolphin or the Polar Bear than they do a human being.
Gorgeous
29th May 2008 - 12:15 AM
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 29 2008, 12:04 AM)
They had REAL PEOPLE who were usually FORCED to kill one another against their will.
That would be almost exactly the same as all 'soldiers' everywhere to day, then?
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We have ACTORS who pretend in works of FICTION in which usually a hero defeats a villian.
http://michaelscomments.files.wordpress.co...sC101021021.jpgg.
Gorgeous
29th May 2008 - 12:19 AM
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 29 2008, 12:14 AM)
To me, the two things that are absolutely the most evil about modern western civilization are:
Moral relativity (so called "Subjective Truth")
People who subscribe to this belief seem to be able to justify anything at all. It really is a form of anarchy, but hey, with so many atheists running around these days, it makes perfect sense.
Paradoxically it somehow leads to the "Political Correctness" doctrine, whereby we cannot say anything negative about anything at all, lest we be labled an "extremist".
Abortion (other than to save the mother's life)
Some people, namely the ACLU (Anti-Christian Luciferian Union) and PETA, care more about the mis-guided "sexual freedom" or saving some dolphin or the Polar Bear than they do a human being.
Belief in things that do not exist is a form of Cosmological anarchy. It resolves itself in the form of self-destruction, empirical evidence for which comes from 'above' ^^^
g.
Zarkov
29th May 2008 - 03:25 AM
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We have ACTORS who pretend in works of FICTION in which usually a hero defeats a villian.
They had REAL PEOPLE who were usually FORCED to kill one another against their will.
and children...even adults.... believe that such observed anti-LIFE "theatrical" behaviour is OK.... they believe it is true and real people behave that way as NORMAL
The news ...real ???.... all the same ...whether in real life B4 your eyes or in "image form" on TV, film
the brain still processes the information...
Why do people cry in a sad movie, why get scared... why get excited....
LOL, you are a real fool to think what the brain sees/hears is not processed at its deepest meaning level
there is even a word for it
desensitised !!!!..... yep turn em'all into KILLERS>..never turn the other cheek...just give it back RIGHT in the guts
sick sick sick
An experiment
turn the sound up on your TV, and leave the room.... listen to the aggression in the voices of American programs... you don't have to view the images....its almost like having your parents at each other's throats... nice
excaza
29th May 2008 - 12:44 PM
QUOTE (Zarkov+May 28 2008, 10:25 PM)
An experiment
turn the sound up on your TV, and leave the room.... listen to the aggression in the voices of American programs... you don't have to view the images....its almost like having your parents at each other's throats... nice
Change the channel. There's plenty of bible-thumping channels with the Animated Adventures of Moses and such. Not your cup of tea? There's hundreds of channels without a lick of violence on them, turn to one. Don't like watching the news because it's 'intense' at times? Read a damn newspaper.
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desensitised !!!!..... yep turn em'all into KILLERS>..never turn the other cheek...just give it back RIGHT in the guts
If you're dumb enough to want to do things you see on television you should be shot in the head, thrown out of a car, driven over, reversed over, and thrown in a lake.
erm...uh oh...television has turned me into a KILLER
After watching The Office, I really want to go and be regional manager of a company
After watching Lost, I really want to crash on a deserted island
After watching Scrubs, I want to be a doctor
After watching House, I want to be a sarcastic, genius doctor
After watching Sesame Street I want to grow real big and cover myself in yellow feathers.
After playing Mario Kart, I have an unshakable urge to throw turtle shells and banana peels at cars.
See the logic here?

And before you say "it's not the same," yes it is. EXACTLY the same.
gmilam
29th May 2008 - 12:44 PM
QUOTE (Quantum_Conundrum+May 28 2008, 07:14 PM)
To me, the two things that are absolutely the most evil about modern western civilization are:
Moral relativity (so called "Subjective Truth")
People who subscribe to this belief seem to be able to justify anything at all. It really is a form of anarchy, but hey, with so many atheists running around these days, it makes perfect sense.
Our biggest fan of "subjective truth" around here is a Catholic... what does that tell ya?
xtrmn8r
29th May 2008 - 10:40 PM
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Change the channel. There's plenty of bible-thumping channels with the Animated Adventures of Moses and such. Not your cup of tea? There's hundreds of channels without a lick of violence on them, turn to one. Don't like watching the news because it's 'intense' at times? Read a damn newspaper.
Better yet, IMO, turn the TV off and read a book. I haven't watched a television series in over 9 years. I don't think I've missed much.
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