He argued that conflicts between science and religion "have all sprung from fatal errors." "[E]ven though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other" there are "strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies … science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind … a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist." Einstein
I once though that science could exist independent of religion. After all science is the study of the world around us. I realized that Einstein was right. Religion effects how you view science. Science effects how you view religion. People who try seprate science from religion end up with a new religion or world view. This world view is naturalism. Naturalism leads to postmodernism. The belief that there is no absolute truth. It also worldview of despair. Science is built on the foundation of absolute truth.
QUOTE (thunder8+Apr 3 2008, 08:47 PM)
People who try separate science from religion end up with a new religion or world view. This world view is naturalism. Naturalism leads to postmodernism. The belief that there is no absolute truth. It also worldview of despair. Science is built on the foundation of absolute truth.
That is simply incorrect.
Firstly you are assuming that because you separate from Religion you automatically become something else specifically. What religion you follow does not necessarily mean that you have no belief in 'God' for example.There are probably many Scientists who do not follow a specific or any Religion, yet believe that there may well be something out there doing something.
It might simply be that they cannot reconcile flaws and inconsistencies of the 'Bible or Koran' etc.maybe they see it as a thing unknown or undiscovered, unrevealed.
There are so many possible hypothesis that to move in any direction would most probably be false, so they continue the hard work of looking deeper at the real knowable Universe.
(IMO) Both Science and Religion are all about filling gaps in our understanding, one has already filled the gap with answers, and the other is busy filling the gap with questions.
We will always run out of answers before we run out of questions.
That is simply incorrect.
Firstly you are assuming that because you separate from Religion you automatically become something else specifically. What religion you follow does not necessarily mean that you have no belief in 'God' for example.There are probably many Scientists who do not follow a specific or any Religion, yet believe that there may well be something out there doing something.
It might simply be that they cannot reconcile flaws and inconsistencies of the 'Bible or Koran' etc.maybe they see it as a thing unknown or undiscovered, unrevealed.
There are so many possible hypothesis that to move in any direction would most probably be false, so they continue the hard work of looking deeper at the real knowable Universe.
(IMO) Both Science and Religion are all about filling gaps in our understanding, one has already filled the gap with answers, and the other is busy filling the gap with questions.
We will always run out of answers before we run out of questions.
QUOTE (thunder8+Apr 3 2008, 03:47 PM)
He argued that conflicts between science and religion "have all sprung from fatal errors." "[E]ven though the realms of religion and science in themselves are clearly marked off from each other" there are "strong reciprocal relationships and dependencies … science without religion is lame, religion without science is blind … a legitimate conflict between science and religion cannot exist." Einstein
I once though that science could exist independent of religion. After all science is the study of the world around us. I realized that Einstein was right. Religion effects how you view science. Science effects how you view religion. People who try seprate science from religion end up with a new religion or world view. This world view is naturalism. Naturalism leads to postmodernism. The belief that there is no absolute truth. It also worldview of despair. Science is built on the foundation of absolute truth.
Don't have a clue as to what you mean by post-modernism... Probably not the same thing my artist friends mean. I'm not sure what you mean by absolute truth either. There is reality, that which cannot be negotiated.
But why is any of it a worldview of despair?
I once though that science could exist independent of religion. After all science is the study of the world around us. I realized that Einstein was right. Religion effects how you view science. Science effects how you view religion. People who try seprate science from religion end up with a new religion or world view. This world view is naturalism. Naturalism leads to postmodernism. The belief that there is no absolute truth. It also worldview of despair. Science is built on the foundation of absolute truth.
Don't have a clue as to what you mean by post-modernism... Probably not the same thing my artist friends mean. I'm not sure what you mean by absolute truth either. There is reality, that which cannot be negotiated.
But why is any of it a worldview of despair?
1) Your command of the english language sucks....please explain "worldview of despair"
2) What are you even trying to say? Some ridiculous attempt at a modern form of Pascal's wager?
2) What are you even trying to say? Some ridiculous attempt at a modern form of Pascal's wager?
HAHAHAH!
YAY ME! Einstein himself thinks exactly as I do, and supports directly what I have been saying for months.
Man that should really cheese some people off.
YAY ME! Einstein himself thinks exactly as I do, and supports directly what I have been saying for months.
Man that should really cheese some people off.
Saying that there's no debate between science and religion is like saying there's no debate between Star Trek physics and real physics. Well, DUH. You can be as knowledgable as you want to be about Star Trek physics, but you still bring nothing to a debate.
There is bigger picture here. Try to for the bigger picture.
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YAY ME! Einstein himself thinks exactly as I do
deadbeat, Einstein wasn't an imbecile (a direct reference in present company).
His comments must be taken within the context of the times in which he lived. Context really troubles you as your inane posts demonstrate.
Physfan
Einstein was a great(or the greatest) physicist....period. But taking every sentence he uttered at face value is foolish in my opinion.
QUOTE (vkamath+May 15 2008, 10:30 PM)
Einstein was a great(or the greatest) physicist....period. But taking every sentence he uttered at face value is foolish in my opinion.
AGREE
AGREE
QUOTE (thunder8+Apr 3 2008, 03:47 PM)
He argued that conflicts between science and religion "have all sprung from fatal errors."
I think you missed the emphasis.
For me, there is no conflict at all between Faith and Science.
Religion, however, is a very different beast. I use the words specifically.
I think you missed the emphasis.
For me, there is no conflict at all between Faith and Science.
Religion, however, is a very different beast. I use the words specifically.
There have been some recent revelations concerning Einstein's religious views. A letter he wrote turned up where he was quite blunt:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24668015/
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24668015/
QUOTE (Empress Palpatine+May 17 2008, 09:24 PM)
There have been some recent revelations concerning Einstein's religious views. A letter he wrote turned up where he was quite blunt:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24668015/
from your link
John Brooke, emeritus professor of science and religion at Oxford University, said the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either.
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24668015/
from your link
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John Brooke, emeritus professor of science and religion at Oxford University, said the letter lends weight to the notion that "Einstein was not a conventional theist" — although he was not an atheist, either.
Have you ever red Quran? 
QUOTE (TRUTH+May 18 2008, 06:13 PM)
Have you ever red Quran?
Yeah, it's a real piece of evil codswallop.
Yeah, it's a real piece of evil codswallop.
QUOTE (Agent X20+May 18 2008, 06:16 PM)
Yeah, it's a real piece of evil codswallop.
You apparently don’t share the leftist liberal anti-American views of some of your fellow posters. I respect that.
(Wouldn't be "An" Einstein Quote?)
You apparently don’t share the leftist liberal anti-American views of some of your fellow posters. I respect that.
(Wouldn't be "An" Einstein Quote?)
QUOTE (Derek1148+May 18 2008, 06:22 PM)
You apparently don’t share the leftist liberal anti-American views of some of your fellow posters. I respect that.
(Wouldn't be "An" Einstein Quote?)
So leftist liberal equals anti-american??
There's another real piece of evil codswallop.
(Wouldn't be "An" Einstein Quote?)
So leftist liberal equals anti-american??
There's another real piece of evil codswallop.QUOTE (vkamath+May 18 2008, 06:27 PM)
So leftist liberal equals anti-american?? There's another real piece of evil codswallop.
Leftist and liberal were used to describe a specific type of anti-Americanism. Why did it strike a nerve?
You do know how adjectives and adverbs work, right? Like if I were to say stupid atheist. That would not mean that all atheists are stupid. Got it?
There's another real piece of evil codswallop. Leftist and liberal were used to describe a specific type of anti-Americanism. Why did it strike a nerve?
You do know how adjectives and adverbs work, right? Like if I were to say stupid atheist. That would not mean that all atheists are stupid. Got it?
QUOTE (Derek1148+May 18 2008, 06:32 PM)
Leftist and liberal were used to describe a specific type of anti-Americanism. Why did it strike a nerve?
You do know how adjectives and adverbs work, right? Like if I were to say stupid atheist. That would not mean that all atheists are stupid. Got it?
Two contradictory statements in the same post.
So which one is it?
You do know how adjectives and adverbs work, right? Like if I were to say stupid atheist. That would not mean that all atheists are stupid. Got it?
Two contradictory statements in the same post.
So which one is it?
Quran,Bible... 
QUOTE (TRUTH+May 18 2008, 06:13 PM)
Have you ever red Quran?
Yep!
I've noticed that most good people can stay good people after reading the Qur'an, which is nice.
As a source of information about the universe and our place in it .... well, it not only fails but fatally misdirects people.
Yep!
I've noticed that most good people can stay good people after reading the Qur'an, which is nice.
As a source of information about the universe and our place in it .... well, it not only fails but fatally misdirects people.
QUOTE (El_Machinae+May 19 2008, 02:08 PM)
Yep!
I've noticed that most good people can stay good people after reading the Qur'an, which is nice.
As a source of information about the universe and our place in it .... well, it not only fails but fatally misdirects people.
It doesn't misdirect,they choose misdirection by themselves.Every sentence in Quran is only considered to test your belief in Allah.Every person is responsible for their behaviours.
I've noticed that most good people can stay good people after reading the Qur'an, which is nice.
As a source of information about the universe and our place in it .... well, it not only fails but fatally misdirects people.
It doesn't misdirect,they choose misdirection by themselves.Every sentence in Quran is only considered to test your belief in Allah.Every person is responsible for their behaviours.
QUOTE (TRUTH+May 19 2008, 05:00 PM)
It doesn't misdirect,they choose misdirection by themselves.Every sentence in Quran is only considered to test your belief in Allah.Every person is responsible for their behaviours.
God tests humanbeings only for their belief and what about mind?
How can we accept metaphysics as a reality of our life?
God tests humanbeings only for their belief and what about mind?
How can we accept metaphysics as a reality of our life?
QUOTE (TRUTH+)
Every sentence in Quran is only considered to test your belief in Allah.
Why is this test needed?
When I ask many believers "Why doesn't God show any obvious signs of his presence?"
They say "to test our faith".
But what does God get by testing our faith? Also if God is all knowing, wouldn't he already know the extent of our faith?
Why is this test needed?
When I ask many believers "Why doesn't God show any obvious signs of his presence?"
They say "to test our faith".
But what does God get by testing our faith? Also if God is all knowing, wouldn't he already know the extent of our faith?
QUOTE (Derek1148+May 18 2008, 06:22 PM)
You apparently don’t share the leftist liberal anti-American views of some of your fellow posters. I respect that.
(Wouldn't be "An" Einstein Quote?)
Excuse me, I am a proud leftist liberal, and I also think that the Qu'ran is a piece of crap (although occasionally quite poetic and gorgeous). But I also think exactly the same thing about the Bible...
Give me the Eddas or Kalevala, anytime.
(Wouldn't be "An" Einstein Quote?)
Excuse me, I am a proud leftist liberal, and I also think that the Qu'ran is a piece of crap (although occasionally quite poetic and gorgeous). But I also think exactly the same thing about the Bible...
Give me the Eddas or Kalevala, anytime.
QUOTE (vkamath+May 19 2008, 06:25 PM)
Why is this test needed?
Because to God, the most important aspect of our lives is how willingly we believe everything that we hear and read!
You know, so you read the bible, and accept it literally. Then you read the Silmarillion and accept it literally. Then you read the Kalevala and the Poetic Eddas and accept them literally. Then you read the scientology cosmology and accept it literally, then you read Stephen King's IT, and accept it literally...
Then yer a good (but confused!) xian!
By the way, the best way to save your soul is to deposit $10,000 in my bank account. Don't forget, God wants you to believe me!
Because to God, the most important aspect of our lives is how willingly we believe everything that we hear and read!
You know, so you read the bible, and accept it literally. Then you read the Silmarillion and accept it literally. Then you read the Kalevala and the Poetic Eddas and accept them literally. Then you read the scientology cosmology and accept it literally, then you read Stephen King's IT, and accept it literally...
Then yer a good (but confused!) xian!
By the way, the best way to save your soul is to deposit $10,000 in my bank account. Don't forget, God wants you to believe me!
QUOTE (ofelas+)
Give me the Eddas or Kalevala, anytime.
Now that's what I'm talkin bout! Ragnarok is a helluva lot more interestin than Armageddon....
Now that's what I'm talkin bout! Ragnarok is a helluva lot more interestin than Armageddon....
QUOTE (HammerPants+May 22 2008, 01:06 PM)
Now that's what I'm talkin bout! Ragnarok is a helluva lot more interestin than Armageddon....
But don't the good guys lose at Rgnarok?
But don't the good guys lose at Rgnarok?
QUOTE (buttershug+May 22 2008, 01:56 PM)
But don't the good guys lose at Rgnarok?
Not necessarily...
We just all get killed in the process of winning...
Not necessarily...
We just all get killed in the process of winning...
QUOTE (MjolnirPants+May 22 2008, 02:28 PM)
Not necessarily...
We just all get killed in the process of winning...
Isn't that, like, the best of both worlds? For everyone concerned?
We just all get killed in the process of winning...
Isn't that, like, the best of both worlds? For everyone concerned?
QUOTE (ofelas+May 22 2008, 06:39 PM)
Isn't that, like, the best of both worlds? For everyone concerned?
You mean by savin the human race from certain destruction at the hands of evil, and also killing off all the gods at the same time?
Sounds purty nice, don't it? Who says us nordic types are all brawn and no brain, eh?
You mean by savin the human race from certain destruction at the hands of evil, and also killing off all the gods at the same time?
Sounds purty nice, don't it?
Who says us nordic types are all brawn and no brain, eh?
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