D N ACHARLES GOYETTE: Back to the phones - Pete in Phoenix this morning.
Pete?
PETE: What about the 7 hijackers, 7-9 hijackers that were reported in the British press, who came forward and said, "We're alive! What are we doing on the FBIs' list of so-called hijackers? We're alive and well."
How do you explain that one.
DAVIN COBURN: Actually, my explanation for that is that I have read that one BBC report that claims...
PETE: It was more than one BBC report...
DAVIN COBURN: But actualy it's not. Uh, that's the one thing that we've found, and that was absolutely one of those things that we looked into, I promise you. I mean that's, that would be...
PETE: Are you saying that that's false?
DAVIN COBURN: I am saying that is false.
PETE: Okay,
how did you verify that?
DAVIN COBURN: I'm ... have you seen any other reports beyond...
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FBI Chief Raises New Doubts Over Hijackers' Identities
LA Times
21 September 2001, by LISA GETTER
=========================================================
Hijack 'suspects' alive and well
BBC, 23 September, 2001
=========================================================
FBI denies mix-up of 9-11 terrorists
Stands by original list even though some ID'd are still alive
Timothy W. Maier, Insight/World News Daily, June 13, 2003
==========================================================
PETE: Let me ask you my question again:
How did you verify it's false?
Just because you don't want to believe it's true....
CHARLES GOYETTE: Okay Pete, you asked him a question, now let's find out what his answer is. Real simple question:
How did you verify that the British story was false?
DAVIN COBURN:
The remains of the hijackers who have been
widely understood to have been on those planes.
PETE: What remains?
DAVIN COBURN:
There was DNA evidence collected all over the place.PETE: The building was incinerated, the concrete was turned into powder, there were molten pools of steel in the bottom of the building that were still hot weeks after -- and they were able to do autopsies on bodies????
Are you insane?
DAVIN COBURN: Have you seen photos of these hijackers that you're talking about.
PETE: Were are the autopsy reports you're referring to on the hijackers?
Were are those reports? I haven't heard anything about autopsies.
DAVIN COBURN: Particularly out of the Pentagon, actually...
CHARLES GOYETTE: Well I want to know, even
if we presume you're correct that they recovered the DNA of the 19 hijackers from the rubble,
were did they get their original DNA against which to match it??
DAVIN COBURN: My point, uh....
CHARLES GOYETTE: No --- don't go to your point, go to my point.
Where'd they get the original DNA of a bunch of Middle Eastern Islamic madmen?
Where'd they get the DNA?Had they submitted the DNA
before they, eh - I mean....
where the hell did they get it??
I mean,
you're not even talking sensibly with me.DAVIN COBURN: Off the top of my head, I don't know the answer to that one.
CHARLES GOYETTE: Of course you don't!
DAVIN COBURN: I'll get back to you with it.
CHARLES GOYETTE: Is that a promise?
DAVIN COBURN: I will do my best.
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re:
Free-Fall - Stundie and Kausel vs. Arthur:============================================
No Stundie, they use it in the sense that 14 or 15 seconds is NEAR the ~9 seconds that freefall would take and as has been shown on this board, is ~ what one would expect based on a physics based analysis.============================================
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| QUOTE |
========================================================= FBI Chief Raises New Doubts Over Hijackers' Identities LA Times 21 September 2001, by LISA GETTER ========================================================= Hijack 'suspects' alive and well BBC, 23 September, 2001 ========================================================= FBI denies mix-up of 9-11 terrorists Stands by original list even though some ID'd are still alive Timothy W. Maier, Insight/World News Daily, June 13, 2003 ========================================================== |
PETE: Let me ask you my question again:
How did you verify it's false?
Just because you don't want to believe it's true....
CHARLES GOYETTE: Okay Pete, you asked him a question, now let's find out what his answer is. Real simple question:
How did you verify that the British story was false?
DAVIN COBURN:
The remains of the hijackers who have been
widely understood to have been on those planes.
PETE: What remains?
DAVIN COBURN:
There was DNA evidence collected all over the place.PETE: The building was incinerated, the concrete was turned into powder, there were molten pools of steel in the bottom of the building that were still hot weeks after -- and they were able to do autopsies on bodies????
Are you insane?
DAVIN COBURN: Have you seen photos of these hijackers that you're talking about.
PETE: Were are the autopsy reports you're referring to on the hijackers?
Were are those reports? I haven't heard anything about autopsies.
DAVIN COBURN: Particularly out of the Pentagon, actually...
CHARLES GOYETTE: Well I want to know, even
if we presume you're correct that they recovered the DNA of the 19 hijackers from the rubble,
were did they get their original DNA against which to match it??
DAVIN COBURN: My point, uh....
CHARLES GOYETTE: No --- don't go to your point, go to my point.
Where'd they get the original DNA of a bunch of Middle Eastern Islamic madmen?
Where'd they get the DNA?Had they submitted the DNA
before they, eh - I mean....
where the hell did they get it??
I mean,
you're not even talking sensibly with me.DAVIN COBURN: Off the top of my head, I don't know the answer to that one.
CHARLES GOYETTE: Of course you don't!
DAVIN COBURN: I'll get back to you with it.
CHARLES GOYETTE: Is that a promise?
DAVIN COBURN: I will do my best.
=========================================================
re:
Free-Fall - Stundie and Kausel vs. Arthur:============================================
No Stundie, they use it in the sense that 14 or 15 seconds is NEAR the ~9 seconds that freefall would take and as has been shown on this board, is ~ what one would expect based on a physics based analysis.============================================
[Kausel] also performed some computer simulations that indicate the building material fell
almost unrestricted at nearly the speed of free-falling objects. "The towers' resistive systems played no role. Otherwise the elapsed time of the fall would have been extended," he noted. As it was, the debris took
about nine seconds to reach the ground from the top.
- Steven Ashley, When the Twin Towers Fell, Scientific American, October 09, 2001
Can buildings retrospectively fall with less haste each year?
Arthur:
==========
Finally, what you IGNORE is that descriptions of EXPLOSIONS are not the same as EVIDENCE of EXPLOSIVES.
==========
If it ejects
dust jets and debris horizontally at an extremely high velocity, it walks like a duck.
If it produces a crash-boom-rumble that
sounds like an explosion, it quacks like a duck.
If it produces a
blast that knocks people off their feet, it probably is a duck.
What you IGNORE is that evidence of EXPLOSIVES is the same as EVIDENCE of EXPLOSIVES.
What
would constitute evidence for use of explosives
in your mind?
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for
wcelliot: -
3.3 milliseconds of whitenoise encoded at 44.1kHz:

(click to enlarge)
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Addendum - I am not gouing to let you bait and switch your way out of this, Trippy, so I repeat.....
Trippy:
==================
The main purpose of posting that image wasn't for any comparison of rise times,
==================
Yes it was, and
the record shows this to be the case.
Please refrain from lying.
Maybe you would like to invent a new reason for showing us
an INFRAsonic waveform of approximately 0.49Hz, and perhaps you might like to
share the page from which you acquired the image with us for explanatory reference.
I look forward to your transparency on this issue.
Al Khwarizmi - step-by-step
22nd October 2007 - 06:48 AM
Also, Trippy, learn to REFERENCE YOUR CLAIMS.
I can not find such a thing as a "thermate cutter" for sale anywhere on earth.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22thermate+cutter%22QUOTE
Did you mean: "thermite cutter"
In the Name of All who Died on 9/11, We Must Act Now « Friends of ...
After all, how would the FDNY know that Building 7 was rigged with thousands of thermate cutter charges to “pull”? Does that not suggest that the FDNY ...
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I did get one bid from a shadowy tech person with ex-defense contacts in Virginia to build 2 sol-gel thermate cutter charges. The price was $10000.00 per ...
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Re: metallic microspheres 5% of WTC dust
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and - "Your search - "thermite cutter torch" - did not match any documents."
and - "Your search - "thermate cutter torch" - did not match any documents."
Capice??
REFERENCE YOUR CLAIMS.
Trippy
22nd October 2007 - 07:50 AM
QUOTE (Al Khwarizmi - step-by-step+Oct 22 2007, 07:48 PM)
Also, Trippy, learn to REFERENCE YOUR CLAIMS.
I can not find such a thing as a "thermate cutter" for sale anywhere on earth.
http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=%22thermate+cutter%22and - "Your search - "thermite cutter torch" - did not match any documents."
and - "Your search - "thermate cutter torch" - did not match any documents."
Capice??
REFERENCE YOUR CLAIMS.
You seriously expect to be able to purchase military ordinance over ther internet?

I had enough trouble finding the physical data for HMX. There are some things that the military generally don't like sharing.
But what
precisely is it that you're disputing?
If you must know, the images came from the debunking 9-11 website, because that was the only place I could anything.
If those aren't thermate cutting charges, then what, precisely do you propose they are?
You can't have looked very hard, because here's the US DOD patent for using thermite and thermite mixtures for the destruction of metallic structures.
http://www.dodtechmatch.com/DOD/Patent/Pat...tion&id=6766744Specifically:
QUOTE
A device with greater penetration capabilities is the "Thermite Destructive Device," U.S. Pat. No. 5,698,812 issued Dec. 16, 1997 to Eugene Song. This device was designed to create a forceful jet of molten iron through an opening at the bottom of the containing vessel. One grenade containing approximately 350 g of thermate-TH3 charge is capable of burning through a sheet of 1-inch thick steel plate in about 8 second reaction time. The device utilizes a central core-burning configuration to direct the molten products through an orifice at the bottom of the device.
Here's another patent addressing Thermate cutting charges:
http://www.freepatentsonline.com/5698812.htmlMost of the information available relates to the AN-M14 which is the DEMOLITION CHARGE that the US DOD uses for dealing with unexploded ordinance (It takes the form of a grenade).
And finally, here's a technical discussion on the thermal cutting of steel, and the methods used cleaning up at ground zero.
http://11-settembre.blogspot.com/2007/02/t...ut-thermal.html
NEU-FONZE
22nd October 2007 - 01:01 PM
Trippy:
Thermite/thermate does NOT produce yellow smoke because of the presence of sulfur!
First of all, sulfur additions to thermite to make thermate are around 2% by weight. That makes sulfur a MINOR ingredient.
Upon ignition, the sulfur in thermate will burn/oxidize to SO2 which is colorless.
The smoke from thermite/thermate is mostly white Al2O3.
If any redish/orange/yellow smoke IS produced when thermite is used to cut steel this is from the iron oxides present in the thermite reaction.
I suspect the iron-worker in the photo you posted is using a thermal (oxygen) lance, not thermite/thermate!
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