I am currently doing some research on energy water if it is able to give healing power and how water that doesnt have these 4 properties can harm our body. I was told that an energized water , such as from waterfall or hot spring contains these 4 properties:
1. Vivified energy.
2. Proper molecular structure.
3. It contains proper spin.
4. It contains minerals.
And with these 4 properties, it is said to be able to heal. I am not an engineer or someone knowledgeable and would like to seek and hear what the people here got to say or share.
QUOTE (Quinn+Jan 12 2007, 09:21 PM)
1. Vivified energy.
I’m not sure what that is, but what ever it is it aint science.
QUOTE (Quinn+Jan 12 2007, 09:21 PM)
2. Proper molecular structure.
Er, there is only one molecular structure for water.
On the other hand, beware of ice 9
QUOTE (Quinn+Jan 12 2007, 09:21 PM)
3. It contains proper spin.
What kind of spin are you talking about? The molecules themselves? If you want all the molecules to spin in the same direction, put your water in the microwave.
QUOTE (Quinn+Jan 12 2007, 09:21 PM)
4. It contains minerals.
All tap water contains minerals.
1. Vivified energy means kinetic energy.
2. It is true that the water has one structure but somehow in a process, the structure can be altered / destroyed but yet its still a water. correct me if i am wrong.
3. Yes, the molecules spin. If not mistaken, if the spin is in clock-wise, it is bad. If the spin is anti-clockwise its good. I'm not sure about of what i heard and wants to get some clarification. How can water in a microwave makes all the moelcules to spin in the same direction? Interesting.. can you explain a little?
4. Yes, all water contains minerals but if water that is not energized water, i think the minerals would be lower because of the process it has gone through before we drink it? can i put it as minerals will be lost during some process water treatment?
And water that we drink, which doesnt contain much of these 4 properties is said to be
"dead water". The same thing when u bath from a waterfall and a swimming pool, there's a huge difference feeling. I am wondering why and wants to understand more..
2. It is true that the water has one structure but somehow in a process, the structure can be altered / destroyed but yet its still a water. correct me if i am wrong.
3. Yes, the molecules spin. If not mistaken, if the spin is in clock-wise, it is bad. If the spin is anti-clockwise its good. I'm not sure about of what i heard and wants to get some clarification. How can water in a microwave makes all the moelcules to spin in the same direction? Interesting.. can you explain a little?
4. Yes, all water contains minerals but if water that is not energized water, i think the minerals would be lower because of the process it has gone through before we drink it? can i put it as minerals will be lost during some process water treatment?
And water that we drink, which doesnt contain much of these 4 properties is said to be
"dead water". The same thing when u bath from a waterfall and a swimming pool, there's a huge difference feeling. I am wondering why and wants to understand more..
1 All “water” molecules have kinetic energy, if they don’t, then you got ice.
2 No, you are wrong. Water has only one structure H-O-H. there can be no other structure that is still water.
3 Only if you are in the Northern Hemisphere, South of the equator it is flip flopped. ( )
4 Generally minerals are removed from water to make it more palatable to drink. I grew up (for a while at least) on well water, so I don’t mind the taste of iron, but I assure your that there are a number of naturally occurring minerals that you do not want to drink. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...senicwater.html
2 No, you are wrong. Water has only one structure H-O-H. there can be no other structure that is still water.
3 Only if you are in the Northern Hemisphere, South of the equator it is flip flopped. (
)4 Generally minerals are removed from water to make it more palatable to drink. I grew up (for a while at least) on well water, so I don’t mind the taste of iron, but I assure your that there are a number of naturally occurring minerals that you do not want to drink. http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/20...senicwater.html
Good reply, thanks.
1. How can water in a microwave makes all the moelcules to spin in the same direction? Interesting.. can you explain a little?
2. The spin of these molecules, what determines the spin? What makes it fast and slow?
3. So if some of the minerals are bad for health, how did they extract each and every of these bad minerals from the water we drink? Or what did they do to these minerals? A process that neutralize them? Or some treatment? Is there any way that can make these bad minerals that goes into the body but not being able to absord them?
1. How can water in a microwave makes all the moelcules to spin in the same direction? Interesting.. can you explain a little?
2. The spin of these molecules, what determines the spin? What makes it fast and slow?
3. So if some of the minerals are bad for health, how did they extract each and every of these bad minerals from the water we drink? Or what did they do to these minerals? A process that neutralize them? Or some treatment? Is there any way that can make these bad minerals that goes into the body but not being able to absord them?
Ok, since you seem to be genuinely interested in this topic, let me state that my answers were rather flippant and not 100% accurate.
For instance, while a microwave does cause water molecules to rotate, they don’t all rotate in the same direction. The molecules will rotate in all sorts of directions depending on their interaction with the microwave energy and with other nearby molecules. (this is an interesting question. I’m going to have to think about this a while, anyone else, please jump in).
In any case, I think the key thing us to do is to establish a common understanding of what we mean when we talk about rotation. Not, that I am talking about kinetic motion here, not the spin state of electrons. That is a whole ‘nuther ball of wax.
A molecule can have up to three types of motion. Some have only two and some have only one.
All molecules in liquid or gas form will have translational motion. That is the molecules moves about from location to location. This is the type of kinetic energy that we generally perceive as heat.
Another type of motion is vibrational motion. Imagine two balls connected by a spring. The balls can move back and forth slightly from each other. This is the type of vibrational motion that an O2 or an N2 molecule will have. Obviously a single atom molecule like helium or neon will have no vibrational motion.
Some molecules can have more than one type of vibration. In a water molecule, the two hydrogen atoms can vibrate in and out from the larger oxygen atom. They can also move closer and further from each other.
Rotational movement can get a bit trickier. One thing to remember is that atoms have no “sides.” For example, we have all seen the basketball spinning on the tip of someone’s finger trick. You know the ball is spinning because you can see the logo and the seams move back and forth. That is not the case with a single atom, such as a noble gas like helium. A single atom molecule has no rotational movement.
A double atom molecule like N2 can have two axis of rotation. If the center of the molecule were on an XYZ co-ordinate system with the molecule lined up along the x axis, it can potentially rotate about the Y and the Z axis, but not the X axis.
A more complicated molecule like water is asymmetrical and thus it can rotate along all three axes.
Electromagnetic energy can interact with the molecule idepending on the wavelength of the EM energy. For instance, the vibration of the atoms in a water molecule is absorbs energy in the infra red range.
The rotation of water molecules is in the microwave range.
Thus a microwave oven works by imparting rotational movement to the molecules which in turn increases its total kinetic energy, which results in the water heating up.
I’m sure that there are others here who can explain this better and more accurately than I, but I hope that this helped.
For instance, while a microwave does cause water molecules to rotate, they don’t all rotate in the same direction. The molecules will rotate in all sorts of directions depending on their interaction with the microwave energy and with other nearby molecules. (this is an interesting question. I’m going to have to think about this a while, anyone else, please jump in).
In any case, I think the key thing us to do is to establish a common understanding of what we mean when we talk about rotation. Not, that I am talking about kinetic motion here, not the spin state of electrons. That is a whole ‘nuther ball of wax.
A molecule can have up to three types of motion. Some have only two and some have only one.
All molecules in liquid or gas form will have translational motion. That is the molecules moves about from location to location. This is the type of kinetic energy that we generally perceive as heat.
Another type of motion is vibrational motion. Imagine two balls connected by a spring. The balls can move back and forth slightly from each other. This is the type of vibrational motion that an O2 or an N2 molecule will have. Obviously a single atom molecule like helium or neon will have no vibrational motion.
Some molecules can have more than one type of vibration. In a water molecule, the two hydrogen atoms can vibrate in and out from the larger oxygen atom. They can also move closer and further from each other.
Rotational movement can get a bit trickier. One thing to remember is that atoms have no “sides.” For example, we have all seen the basketball spinning on the tip of someone’s finger trick. You know the ball is spinning because you can see the logo and the seams move back and forth. That is not the case with a single atom, such as a noble gas like helium. A single atom molecule has no rotational movement.
A double atom molecule like N2 can have two axis of rotation. If the center of the molecule were on an XYZ co-ordinate system with the molecule lined up along the x axis, it can potentially rotate about the Y and the Z axis, but not the X axis.
A more complicated molecule like water is asymmetrical and thus it can rotate along all three axes.
Electromagnetic energy can interact with the molecule idepending on the wavelength of the EM energy. For instance, the vibration of the atoms in a water molecule is absorbs energy in the infra red range.
The rotation of water molecules is in the microwave range.
Thus a microwave oven works by imparting rotational movement to the molecules which in turn increases its total kinetic energy, which results in the water heating up.
I’m sure that there are others here who can explain this better and more accurately than I, but I hope that this helped.
QUOTE (Quinn+Jan 12 2007, 10:32 PM)
3. So if some of the minerals are bad for health, how did they extract each and every of these bad minerals from the water we drink? Or what did they do to these minerals? A process that neutralize them? Or some treatment? Is there any way that can make these bad minerals that goes into the body but not being able to absord them?
typically the easiest sollution is to find a water source that is free of "bad" minerals (i.e. arsenic, radon, sulfide, etc.). some mineals aren't really bad for health reasons, they are unwanted because they cause problems with plumbing systems and staining of fixtures, dishes, clothes, etc.
If it is not possible to find a suitible source, then you have three tpical methods for purifying water, distillation, reverse osmosis, or ion exchange (water softener0.
Google can help you reasearch how these work.
Since you mentioned purifying water, the reason why i started this topic is because of energy water. The method mentioned for purifying water is good, but i discovered that its bad for the body. Read below and i'd like to hear your opinion on it.
What happens to the water (dead water ) we drink?
Waterfall --> Straight Pipe --> Water Storage --> Straight Pipe --> Water Plant (Chlorine) --> Reservoir --> Water Filter --> Drink
Water from waterfall is high in energy. It contains the 4 properties of water. It is then transferred to a water storage through a straight pipe. During this transfer, the vivication and spin of water drops. At the water storage, because the water is stagnant, it is losses its vivication and spin again. Then the water will be transferred to a water plant for treatment. They have no choice but to put chlorine to protect our health from germs and others. But chlorine is poison, so are we treating our body as rubbish bin? Again, water is stagnant and loses its vivication and spin again. The processed water will then be transferred to a reservoir through a straight pipe with a turbine. The water losses its vivication and spin again. Then the water will be filtered through a water filter and this causes the molecular structure of the water to break/destroy. Then we drink this filtered water, dead water because it has lost many of the 4 properties of an energized water.
Bad water to drink is RO water because of double filtration, and distilled water is the worst! Chlorine being boiled and given enough energy will turn into a poison that may lead to cancer.
Anything in the world always tries to balance itself. Same with the dead water. It will try to get its vivified energy and spin from the body. Minerals that are lost, it will just take from the body such as calcium. (That is why we suffer from osteoperosis). The body cannot stop it from taking these things from the body because it doesn’t speak the same molecular language.
Water being clean is fine, but the properties of water lost in fact lead something bad to our body. That is why we get osteoperosis in this generation compare with older generation. We feel tired from swimming a swimming pool compare to waterfall. We feel dehydrated and dry. More funny is that we need to wash off swimming pool water with water.
That is how i feel the dangerous of dead water is now-a-days.
I'm open for discussion and hope that many more people can chip in what they think. I'd like to hear more opinions on these.
What happens to the water (dead water ) we drink?
Waterfall --> Straight Pipe --> Water Storage --> Straight Pipe --> Water Plant (Chlorine) --> Reservoir --> Water Filter --> Drink
Water from waterfall is high in energy. It contains the 4 properties of water. It is then transferred to a water storage through a straight pipe. During this transfer, the vivication and spin of water drops. At the water storage, because the water is stagnant, it is losses its vivication and spin again. Then the water will be transferred to a water plant for treatment. They have no choice but to put chlorine to protect our health from germs and others. But chlorine is poison, so are we treating our body as rubbish bin? Again, water is stagnant and loses its vivication and spin again. The processed water will then be transferred to a reservoir through a straight pipe with a turbine. The water losses its vivication and spin again. Then the water will be filtered through a water filter and this causes the molecular structure of the water to break/destroy. Then we drink this filtered water, dead water because it has lost many of the 4 properties of an energized water.
Bad water to drink is RO water because of double filtration, and distilled water is the worst! Chlorine being boiled and given enough energy will turn into a poison that may lead to cancer.
Anything in the world always tries to balance itself. Same with the dead water. It will try to get its vivified energy and spin from the body. Minerals that are lost, it will just take from the body such as calcium. (That is why we suffer from osteoperosis). The body cannot stop it from taking these things from the body because it doesn’t speak the same molecular language.
Water being clean is fine, but the properties of water lost in fact lead something bad to our body. That is why we get osteoperosis in this generation compare with older generation. We feel tired from swimming a swimming pool compare to waterfall. We feel dehydrated and dry. More funny is that we need to wash off swimming pool water with water.
That is how i feel the dangerous of dead water is now-a-days.
I'm open for discussion and hope that many more people can chip in what they think. I'd like to hear more opinions on these.
You have mixed mysticism and science. Good water is about what is in it and what is not. It doesn't have memory and spiritual energies. It is not alive. All this about vivification and spin, and dead water is complete garbage.
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You have mixed mysticism and science. Good water is about what is in it and what is not. It doesn't have memory and spiritual energies. It is not alive. All this about vivification and spin, and dead water is complete garbage.
Which part of those i said is mysticism? So what is good water vs bad water? Are you sure there is no such thing as vivication and spin? Can you let me know why it doesnt have memory and spiritual energies? Please make your statement instead of just saying its just a complete garbage, so that others and I can understand as well. Thanks.
Quinn, you are the one who made unvalidated statements about water and did not support your claims. Almost nothing you said about the properties of water is true, or at least verifiable through scientific method.
Water from a water fall is high energy? What energy? How does the water lose it's properties by being stored? Referring to water as dead or living? That is mysticism my friend.
Water from a water fall is high energy? What energy? How does the water lose it's properties by being stored? Referring to water as dead or living? That is mysticism my friend.
So what is good water vs bad water?
Depends on what you want to do with it. If it is for human consumption, then so long as micro-organisms and toxins are removed, then it doesn't matter what the source is so long as it has been filtered.
I am not saying there is no such thing, but it doesn't exist in the context in which you have framed it. There is no evidence to support claims that water has a life force of it's own or that the spin of the water molecules has anything to do with it's properties.
I would like to pick you post apart point by point, but a good deal of just doesn't make sense or flies in the face of known facts; that is why I just called it garbage and mysticism mixed with science.
Good question with a simple answer: we don't know if water has an spirit. What is more, we can't know if water has an spirit or not. And that's why the concept of spirit is not a scientific concept but a metaphysical one.
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Water from a water fall is high energy? What energy? How does the water lose it's properties by being stored? Referring to water as dead or living? That is mysticism my friend.
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Water from a water fall is high energy? What energy? How does the water lose it's properties by being stored? Referring to water as dead or living? That is mysticism my friend.
So what is good water vs bad water?
Depends on what you want to do with it. If it is for human consumption, then so long as micro-organisms and toxins are removed, then it doesn't matter what the source is so long as it has been filtered.
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Are you sure there is no such thing as vivication and spin?
I am not saying there is no such thing, but it doesn't exist in the context in which you have framed it. There is no evidence to support claims that water has a life force of it's own or that the spin of the water molecules has anything to do with it's properties.
I would like to pick you post apart point by point, but a good deal of just doesn't make sense or flies in the face of known facts; that is why I just called it garbage and mysticism mixed with science.
QUOTE (Palpatane+Jan 13 2007, 03:35 PM)
typically the easiest sollution is to find a water source that is free of "bad" minerals (i.e. arsenic, radon, sulfide, etc.). some mineals aren't really bad for health reasons, they are unwanted because they cause problems with plumbing systems and staining of fixtures, dishes, clothes, etc.
If it is not possible to find a suitible source, then you have three tpical methods for purifying water, distillation, reverse osmosis, or ion exchange (water softener0.
Google can help you reasearch how these work.
Wow, an expert in water technology as well ??
Gee weez, you just about know everything there is to know by mankind. Err........or is it that yuo get your 2-cents from the Wikipedia, then paste it here.
To try to show off in so many threads is trully stupid. The real scientists here can see right through you pathetic facad. Idiot.
If it is not possible to find a suitible source, then you have three tpical methods for purifying water, distillation, reverse osmosis, or ion exchange (water softener0.
Google can help you reasearch how these work.
Wow, an expert in water technology as well ??
Gee weez, you just about know everything there is to know by mankind. Err........or is it that yuo get your 2-cents from the Wikipedia, then paste it here.
To try to show off in so many threads is trully stupid. The real scientists here can see right through you pathetic facad. Idiot.
QUOTE (physicsguy+Jan 15 2007, 05:40 AM)
Wow, an expert in water technology as well ??
Gee weez, you just about know everything there is to know by mankind. Err........or is it that yuo get your 2-cents from the Wikipedia, then paste it here.
To try to show off in so many threads is trully stupid. The real scientists here can see right through you pathetic facad. Idiot.
And your contribution to the board so far has been, what, MM? you were booted once, and all you've done since registering a new sock puppet has been to spam the boards with drivel and insults.
Wait, that's all you did when you were here as mediocre-minded also.
Gee weez, you just about know everything there is to know by mankind. Err........or is it that yuo get your 2-cents from the Wikipedia, then paste it here.
To try to show off in so many threads is trully stupid. The real scientists here can see right through you pathetic facad. Idiot.
And your contribution to the board so far has been, what, MM? you were booted once, and all you've done since registering a new sock puppet has been to spam the boards with drivel and insults.
Wait, that's all you did when you were here as mediocre-minded also.
OK this is slightly interesting. I stumbled across this video on "energised" water. Are these people faking or are they on to something? I do think there is more to objects and there property's than just the molecular structure. I don't know what it is or how to detect it but it seems to have an effect. I have observed too much.
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Can you let me know why it doesnt have memory and spiritual energies?
Good question with a simple answer: we don't know if water has an spirit. What is more, we can't know if water has an spirit or not. And that's why the concept of spirit is not a scientific concept but a metaphysical one.
What makes water so unique and so important to life are the hydrogen protons of H2O. The hydrogen protons can float on top of the electron clouds of oxygen and move around the aqueous continuum even though they are suppose to be covalently bonded to particular oxygen. The pH affects demonstrates how hydrogen is constantly coming and going with respect to central oxygen atoms. The hydrogen proton is also the fastest thing in water moving almost 100 times faster than any other ion.
The hydrogen protons define a third layer of chemistry with the protons acting loosely analogous to electrons using the negative orbitals of oxygen as sort of a negative nucleus. Besides this mobility, the hydrogen protons also form hydrogen bonding structures, where the protons are more restricted between two oxygen atoms. Liquid water shows the spectrum of mobility and fixed structure.
If we were to input energy into a hydrogen atom the lean electron will be kicked up to a higher energy level. In the case of the hydrogen protons of water, its rather portly size, causes energy to have a more restrictive impact. The result can be the structures and mobility distributions changing to reflect energized states. But looking at the glass of water nothing will have appeared to changed.
The living state and cells add fixed chemical matrix to water that can have the impact on energizing or deenergizing the protons relative to plain water, since the properties of DNA, RNA and proteins are strongly based on hydrogen bonding. For example, surface tension will energize the aqueous contact surfaces, which is imparted to the energy of the local hydrogen protons and then transmitted into the continuum. Personally my favorite energized hydrogen protons of water are bound within the cellular matrix of live veggie cells.
The hydrogen protons define a third layer of chemistry with the protons acting loosely analogous to electrons using the negative orbitals of oxygen as sort of a negative nucleus. Besides this mobility, the hydrogen protons also form hydrogen bonding structures, where the protons are more restricted between two oxygen atoms. Liquid water shows the spectrum of mobility and fixed structure.
If we were to input energy into a hydrogen atom the lean electron will be kicked up to a higher energy level. In the case of the hydrogen protons of water, its rather portly size, causes energy to have a more restrictive impact. The result can be the structures and mobility distributions changing to reflect energized states. But looking at the glass of water nothing will have appeared to changed.
The living state and cells add fixed chemical matrix to water that can have the impact on energizing or deenergizing the protons relative to plain water, since the properties of DNA, RNA and proteins are strongly based on hydrogen bonding. For example, surface tension will energize the aqueous contact surfaces, which is imparted to the energy of the local hydrogen protons and then transmitted into the continuum. Personally my favorite energized hydrogen protons of water are bound within the cellular matrix of live veggie cells.
After thinking about this my favorite energized hydrogen protons of water are actually connected to plant fruit cells. Veggies are good, but fruits have an extra level of sensory stimulation. Nature sort of puts a sensory premium on all the different types of fruit to help create positive memories so we continue to feed on these benficial things. It sort of makes sense that the part of the plant that contains the seeds (gamete cells) would be the place where the organic hydrogen bonding structures will have the maximium impact on the hydrogen protons within water.
Excuse me, but I have yet to hear of any sort of feedback like a forum about any of these energized water things. The spin thing is crap, crap because it's largely unobservable by anyone who would be selling such devices, and the theory is just dumb.
With that said, I'm a spiritual person, and I know there are properties of our universe science has yet to discover or explain. I do believe that water is a simple yet diverse substance, that can have different good/bad qualities imparted upon it by a great many variables and influences. But with all of these products out there, oh why in the world have I heard so little real feedback? In all the searching I've done on the topics, the only thing I have seen to be scientific, observable, testable, and repeatable would be the water's surface tension at a given temperature. Do ANY of these products have the power to reduce the water's surface tension not by chemical processes, but by the way the water molecules physically interact with each other? This is a serious question, I seriously want to know the answer to.
Surface tensiometers are hard to find and get pricing on. I was able to build a cheap, simple, not scientifically accurate one
. I've tried it out on tap, RO, and bottled water and found they pretty much have the same surface tension at room temperature (as far as I could tell). Are there any proven devices out there that really can lower surface tension? From what I've researched, it's a very solid measure of a quality of water to hydrate living cells, simply by the known physics principles involved.
With that said, I'm a spiritual person, and I know there are properties of our universe science has yet to discover or explain. I do believe that water is a simple yet diverse substance, that can have different good/bad qualities imparted upon it by a great many variables and influences. But with all of these products out there, oh why in the world have I heard so little real feedback? In all the searching I've done on the topics, the only thing I have seen to be scientific, observable, testable, and repeatable would be the water's surface tension at a given temperature. Do ANY of these products have the power to reduce the water's surface tension not by chemical processes, but by the way the water molecules physically interact with each other? This is a serious question, I seriously want to know the answer to.
Surface tensiometers are hard to find and get pricing on. I was able to build a cheap, simple, not scientifically accurate one
. I've tried it out on tap, RO, and bottled water and found they pretty much have the same surface tension at room temperature (as far as I could tell). Are there any proven devices out there that really can lower surface tension? From what I've researched, it's a very solid measure of a quality of water to hydrate living cells, simply by the known physics principles involved.
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One of the ways to understand how water can become "energized", is to look at the hydrogen protons working as a team. The water molecule is composed of two -OH bonds connected to the central oxygen. These are very strong bonds requiring at least UV to break. Yet in liquid water, in a container opaque to UV, the -OH bonds break all the time as reflected by pH. One can start with a block of ice, where the pH affect is absent, due to the crystal nature of ice, place the block of ice in a steel container, melt it, and the pH affect returns, without any UV needed.
One way this might occur is connected to the energy within the hydrogen protons becoming amplified in liquid water. It is like throwing pebbles in a pond. The waves will add to create overlap zones where the combined wave crests become larger than those coming from one pebble. This allows some of the protons go into and out of strong covalent bonds.
The DNA double helix is not only held together with hydrogen bonds between base pairs, but every base pair has one or two extra hydrogen protons that can not form a good hydrogen bond. This situation causes the DNA double helix to store hydrogen proton potential. If we combine this with the surface tension affects stemming from the sugar subunits (deoxyribose), the DNA transmits a considerable amount of potential into the nucleus. The pores of the nuclear membrane, act as emitters (certain pores are near certain genes) which transmit hydrogen proton signals into the cytoplasm.
On the other end of the cell is the exterior membrane and the ion pumps. The external positive charge, due to ion pumping, reflects the exterior surface of the membrane generating the highest hydrogen proton potentials. This is transmitted into the exterior water and attracts food by creating an equilibrium aqueous hydrogen bonding zone for high surface tension food materials, i.e., attracts their hydrations spheres, with the food innards coming along for the ride.
When the food enters or is transported into the cell, the local ion pumps reverse, with the potential stored in the external membrane being used to do work. It not only does work, but with the high hydrogen proton signal coming into the cell, it creates surface emitters that essentially define the type of food that is being transported into the cell. This perimeters grid merges with the DNA's interior grid allowing the intermediate proteins to snap to it. The grid sort of energized and de-energizes the cytoplasm and increase reactions here and slows them there, so the cell optimizes the needs of the DNA and the demands of the external environment. ,
The placement of cellular innards is the result of the hydrogen proton potential between the DNA and exterior cell membrane. These materials essentially connect the gradient so their shrouds of water are in an equilibrium zone. This is anchored down with structural proteins. So when the grid changes due to food or genetic expression, the innards are stuck in a changing hydrogen proton energy field making them do the bidding of the DNA and the external environment.
If one wanted to simplify the cell for modeling purposes, one only needs to look at the water or rather that hydration spheres of water that surrounds all the ions and bio-chemical diversity. The result is a cellular model in one variable. This one variable is the push that formed life, with the hydrogen protons of the sun pushing the process. In other words if the innards define a shroud of attached water than a hollow shroud can help define an inned, with proton amplification helping to break/form bonds
One way this might occur is connected to the energy within the hydrogen protons becoming amplified in liquid water. It is like throwing pebbles in a pond. The waves will add to create overlap zones where the combined wave crests become larger than those coming from one pebble. This allows some of the protons go into and out of strong covalent bonds.
The DNA double helix is not only held together with hydrogen bonds between base pairs, but every base pair has one or two extra hydrogen protons that can not form a good hydrogen bond. This situation causes the DNA double helix to store hydrogen proton potential. If we combine this with the surface tension affects stemming from the sugar subunits (deoxyribose), the DNA transmits a considerable amount of potential into the nucleus. The pores of the nuclear membrane, act as emitters (certain pores are near certain genes) which transmit hydrogen proton signals into the cytoplasm.
On the other end of the cell is the exterior membrane and the ion pumps. The external positive charge, due to ion pumping, reflects the exterior surface of the membrane generating the highest hydrogen proton potentials. This is transmitted into the exterior water and attracts food by creating an equilibrium aqueous hydrogen bonding zone for high surface tension food materials, i.e., attracts their hydrations spheres, with the food innards coming along for the ride.
When the food enters or is transported into the cell, the local ion pumps reverse, with the potential stored in the external membrane being used to do work. It not only does work, but with the high hydrogen proton signal coming into the cell, it creates surface emitters that essentially define the type of food that is being transported into the cell. This perimeters grid merges with the DNA's interior grid allowing the intermediate proteins to snap to it. The grid sort of energized and de-energizes the cytoplasm and increase reactions here and slows them there, so the cell optimizes the needs of the DNA and the demands of the external environment. ,
The placement of cellular innards is the result of the hydrogen proton potential between the DNA and exterior cell membrane. These materials essentially connect the gradient so their shrouds of water are in an equilibrium zone. This is anchored down with structural proteins. So when the grid changes due to food or genetic expression, the innards are stuck in a changing hydrogen proton energy field making them do the bidding of the DNA and the external environment.
If one wanted to simplify the cell for modeling purposes, one only needs to look at the water or rather that hydration spheres of water that surrounds all the ions and bio-chemical diversity. The result is a cellular model in one variable. This one variable is the push that formed life, with the hydrogen protons of the sun pushing the process. In other words if the innards define a shroud of attached water than a hollow shroud can help define an inned, with proton amplification helping to break/form bonds
I understand what your are explaining MDT, but I don't understand how that relates to the "4 properties of energized water" as outlined in the original post.
hi everybody
actually to re-energize dead water, an Invention called BIO-DISC is able to energize water and to rearrange the molecules. many of my Friends tried it and the result was great, they drink fresh water, they used it with any thing contains water that become fresh , fruits, vegetables and even our body!
go to this website and you will know better about it, then give me your ideas !
www.amezcua.com
actually to re-energize dead water, an Invention called BIO-DISC is able to energize water and to rearrange the molecules. many of my Friends tried it and the result was great, they drink fresh water, they used it with any thing contains water that become fresh , fruits, vegetables and even our body!
go to this website and you will know better about it, then give me your ideas !
www.amezcua.com
QUOTE (essam+Feb 13 2008, 04:17 PM)
hi everybody
actually to re-energize dead water, an Invention called BIO-DISC is able to energize water and to rearrange the molecules. many of my Friends tried it and the result was great, they drink fresh water, they used it with any thing contains water that become fresh , fruits, vegetables and even our body!
go to this website and you will know better about it, then give me your ideas !
www.amezcua.com
Bwa-ha-ha! Ahem. I beg your pardon. Bwaa-haa-haa!
actually to re-energize dead water, an Invention called BIO-DISC is able to energize water and to rearrange the molecules. many of my Friends tried it and the result was great, they drink fresh water, they used it with any thing contains water that become fresh , fruits, vegetables and even our body!
go to this website and you will know better about it, then give me your ideas !
www.amezcua.com
Bwa-ha-ha! Ahem. I beg your pardon. Bwaa-haa-haa!
QUOTE (essam+Feb 13 2008, 09:17 PM)
hi everybody
actually to re-energize dead water, an Invention called BIO-DISC is able to energize water and to rearrange the molecules. many of my Friends tried it and the result was great, they drink fresh water, they used it with any thing contains water that become fresh , fruits, vegetables and even our body!
go to this website and you will know better about it, then give me your ideas !
www.amezcua.com
Here is something from the website that tells us the entire site is a load of pseudo-scientific crapola:
There are no molecular chains in H2O. Chains require actual chains of carbon atoms, which would then make the liquid a hydrocarbon and unfit for consumption. The discs themselves are pieces of glass. The only thing you will get using these things is to have your wallet emptied for nothing. One might as well buy Kabbalah Water.
actually to re-energize dead water, an Invention called BIO-DISC is able to energize water and to rearrange the molecules. many of my Friends tried it and the result was great, they drink fresh water, they used it with any thing contains water that become fresh , fruits, vegetables and even our body!
go to this website and you will know better about it, then give me your ideas !
www.amezcua.com
Here is something from the website that tells us the entire site is a load of pseudo-scientific crapola:
QUOTE
This 21st century technology develops a long lasting natural scalar resonance which has the ability to be transferred to any liquid, renewing the natural molecular chains.
There are no molecular chains in H2O. Chains require actual chains of carbon atoms, which would then make the liquid a hydrocarbon and unfit for consumption. The discs themselves are pieces of glass. The only thing you will get using these things is to have your wallet emptied for nothing. One might as well buy Kabbalah Water.
There is an sort of quasi-bond that occurs in water but it still remains H2O. If there could be a molecular chain of water molecules, just two molecules chained together would give us the nonsensical H4O2 and more would give us other non-existent compounds.
H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) actually is a weakly bonded chemical with two hydrogens and two oxygens but this substance is relatively unstable and easily breaks down into water and an oxygen atom (H2O2 => H2O + O). Only by adding certain chemicals as stabilizers can allow H2O2 to remain more stable but even in that state other things can cause breakdown. This is why it fizzes when contacting blood, bacteria, or other contaminants.
But the quasi-bonds due to the unique structure of water molecules is not a true molecular chain.
H2O2 (Hydrogen Peroxide) actually is a weakly bonded chemical with two hydrogens and two oxygens but this substance is relatively unstable and easily breaks down into water and an oxygen atom (H2O2 => H2O + O). Only by adding certain chemicals as stabilizers can allow H2O2 to remain more stable but even in that state other things can cause breakdown. This is why it fizzes when contacting blood, bacteria, or other contaminants.
But the quasi-bonds due to the unique structure of water molecules is not a true molecular chain.
To really energise your water, just add snake oil 
thanks my freinds for your replies. i appreciate it. Still I need more scientific replys to convince me that this DISC is just a peace of.........glass!
sorry for my english (piece) is correct!
Every one knows that if your building a "Joe's cell" you have to use "Living water " just any 'ol "dead water" won't work.
QUOTE (Quinn+Jan 13 2007, 03:21 AM)
I am currently doing some research on energy water if it is able to give healing power and how water that doesnt have these 4 properties can harm our body. I was told that an energized water , such as from waterfall or hot spring contains these 4 properties:
1. Vivified energy.
2. Proper molecular structure.
3. It contains proper spin.
4. It contains minerals.
And with these 4 properties, it is said to be able to heal. I am not an engineer or someone knowledgeable and would like to seek and hear what the people here got to say or share.
This reminds me of a California cult leader who ran a restaurant where he put his semen in the food. Allegedly this extra ingredient was only supposed to go into food for the cult members, but mistakes happen and some non-members got the secret sauce.
Honestly, anyone who is trying to educate you about "Vivified energy" is trying to sell you a cult membership. They are going to ask you to believe many impossible things. Don't be surprised if the faucet you are supposed to drink from looks vaguely organic.
People who drink from waterfalls die of horrible diseases and contract parasites. Professional people who live off the land know this. Only a liar or an ignorant city-bred lout would tell you different. Enjoy your vivified amoebic dysentery and typhoid fever.
1. Vivified energy.
2. Proper molecular structure.
3. It contains proper spin.
4. It contains minerals.
And with these 4 properties, it is said to be able to heal. I am not an engineer or someone knowledgeable and would like to seek and hear what the people here got to say or share.
This reminds me of a California cult leader who ran a restaurant where he put his semen in the food. Allegedly this extra ingredient was only supposed to go into food for the cult members, but mistakes happen and some non-members got the secret sauce.
Honestly, anyone who is trying to educate you about "Vivified energy" is trying to sell you a cult membership. They are going to ask you to believe many impossible things. Don't be surprised if the faucet you are supposed to drink from looks vaguely organic.
People who drink from waterfalls die of horrible diseases and contract parasites. Professional people who live off the land know this. Only a liar or an ignorant city-bred lout would tell you different. Enjoy your vivified amoebic dysentery and typhoid fever.
QUOTE (Palpatane+Jan 12 2007, 11:40 PM)
On the other hand, beware of ice 9
Too funny; I'm surprised that no one else got this...
BTW: I also grew up on well water... for the longest time we had "water quality" that was second to none. Then some surface (strip?) mining took place up the mountain from us, and the water quality went down the toilet (so to speak).
As to the idea that water coming from a water fall is better (Vivified), they are probably interpreting the reaction to a higher content of Oxygen trapped in the water. Add to that the possibility of some synergistic mineral content; something that the body, or more specifically the skin, likes or is deficient in.
If you want a good study related to water and the human reaction to different types or sources of water, I have just the thing. There was an episode of Penn & Tellers "Bullshit" that took on this idea. It was really funny to see how people could totally be misdirected into thinking that what they were drinking was special, had a distinct taste compared to other water, etc. In the "experiment", all of the water came from the same... a water hose attached to the building that the restaurant was in.
BTW: I also grew up on well water... for the longest time we had "water quality" that was second to none. Then some surface (strip?) mining took place up the mountain from us, and the water quality went down the toilet (so to speak).
As to the idea that water coming from a water fall is better (Vivified), they are probably interpreting the reaction to a higher content of Oxygen trapped in the water. Add to that the possibility of some synergistic mineral content; something that the body, or more specifically the skin, likes or is deficient in.
If you want a good study related to water and the human reaction to different types or sources of water, I have just the thing. There was an episode of Penn & Tellers "Bullshit" that took on this idea. It was really funny to see how people could totally be misdirected into thinking that what they were drinking was special, had a distinct taste compared to other water, etc. In the "experiment", all of the water came from the same... a water hose attached to the building that the restaurant was in.
QUOTE (Quinn+Jan 13 2007, 03:58 AM)
1. Vivified energy means kinetic energy.
2. It is true that the water has one structure but somehow in a process, the structure can be altered / destroyed but yet its still a water. correct me if i am wrong.
3. Yes, the molecules spin. If not mistaken, if the spin is in clock-wise, it is bad. If the spin is anti-clockwise its good. I'm not sure about of what i heard and wants to get some clarification. How can water in a microwave makes all the moelcules to spin in the same direction? Interesting.. can you explain a little?
4. Yes, all water contains minerals but if water that is not energized water, i think the minerals would be lower because of the process it has gone through before we drink it? can i put it as minerals will be lost during some process water treatment?
And water that we drink, which doesnt contain much of these 4 properties is said to be
"dead water". The same thing when u bath from a waterfall and a swimming pool, there's a huge difference feeling. I am wondering why and wants to understand more..
later
2. It is true that the water has one structure but somehow in a process, the structure can be altered / destroyed but yet its still a water. correct me if i am wrong.
3. Yes, the molecules spin. If not mistaken, if the spin is in clock-wise, it is bad. If the spin is anti-clockwise its good. I'm not sure about of what i heard and wants to get some clarification. How can water in a microwave makes all the moelcules to spin in the same direction? Interesting.. can you explain a little?
4. Yes, all water contains minerals but if water that is not energized water, i think the minerals would be lower because of the process it has gone through before we drink it? can i put it as minerals will be lost during some process water treatment?
And water that we drink, which doesnt contain much of these 4 properties is said to be
"dead water". The same thing when u bath from a waterfall and a swimming pool, there's a huge difference feeling. I am wondering why and wants to understand more..
later
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