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Stropharia,
None of us can, anymore.
Maybe this will be enough to get you started?
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regards,
T.Roc
None of us can, anymore.
Maybe this will be enough to get you started?
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regards,
T.Roc
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None of us can, anymore
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I noticed that too. Now one can only link to a pic. I think I know why though. Some persons were posting nasty images. It is like what I remember in school. Limitations are enforced because of misbehaviors. 
It's a good strategy on the part of mods, we can still post but people are not forced to look at the pictures, I like it. 
Hi tikay et all,
QUOTE (tikay+)
It's a good strategy on the part of mods, we can still post but people are not forced to look at the pictures, I like it.
Unfortunately those pictures contain a lot more information than the words. For instance a single picture can be an equation. These things can be linked but then it breaks the thought process if several pages need to be opened just so that an idea can be placed in context. It is unfortunate that "adults" must be punished along with "children"... Disruptive "children" can change the entire tone of a thread. Saving and printing a post will never contain the information content and usefulness it formerly had. Remember this is a Science Forum not a Chat Board or Introduction Agency.
One solution would be acts of immaturity should get banishment to a "junior forum sandpit". This would be an area in which the "Junior members" could learn to "grow up" among his/her peers while "functioning adults" retain full privileges to post in either area. This is just a slight gradation in security permissions to a two tiered system. Everyone could start out as an adult and only be "demoted" if they perform socially disruptive acts such as "speaking rudely out of turn" or posting "objectionable" material or "rude" pictures. Adults are those who have not behaved badly and show themselves as "responsible" and socially supportive members of the Forum. Everyone would be given a "fair go" without any forms of discrimination (especially no discrimination based on some "personal" judgments of intellectual ability). This would be in keeping with an open mind about forum ideas and topics. There is nothing wrong with speculation and with making some "dumb" science suggestions as long as it is done with a hope of learning something.
Everyone would start by being treated as a defacto adult. The "children" could still comment on all the forum topics but would need to "attract" the adults by good behavior into "helping them" in their own "sandpit" where they and the "children" could post till their hearts are content or even PM any of the forum "adult" members etc. There would "never" be any reason to ban anyone permanently. They can still read everything the adults post which means the "junior members" can look and learn without needing or warranting a "Moderator beating" by a permanent ban.
Of course Moderators would still have the authority to ban certain members for any further bad behavior or improper use of a Science Forum. The childish "food fights" could be kept away from the adult swim.
Members would not be sent to the "sandpit" unless they committed some socially incorrect deed. Nobody need know that anyone has been personally sent there unless they tell others. They would stay there for at least 6 months or until they showed that they were no longer offending. Their actual age would have nothing to do with the placement of Forum Members in either group.
Mostly this system is already in place where some areas can be posted to openly and others cannot unless you are logged into the Forum. A creation of an extra attribute field would be enough to divide sheep from the goats. Mostly the system would run itself and the Moderators would need to do nothing much more than present to control the problems.
An alternative would be to only allow members who have full permission and are logged in to post anywhere while those who are logged in and have lowered permissions be able to post only inside the "flagged areas". That way it is a choice for the members which areas they post in without being disrupted or forced to accept abuse. It is then a case of barring unlogged in members from posting anywhere except in the "open" flagged areas.
The "feedback" should be limited to "adults". Most "adults" can wear reasonable negative comments if people still wish to use them (without the abuse).
This means the forum hosts would maximize earnings with page hits and provide moderation without the "iron fist" currently being used of any outright bans.
Pictures can then be allowed by designated adults in the "closed" areas if people use them usefully rather than "abusively".
Cheers
One solution would be acts of immaturity should get banishment to a "junior forum sandpit". This would be an area in which the "Junior members" could learn to "grow up" among his/her peers while "functioning adults" retain full privileges to post in either area. This is just a slight gradation in security permissions to a two tiered system. Everyone could start out as an adult and only be "demoted" if they perform socially disruptive acts such as "speaking rudely out of turn" or posting "objectionable" material or "rude" pictures. Adults are those who have not behaved badly and show themselves as "responsible" and socially supportive members of the Forum. Everyone would be given a "fair go" without any forms of discrimination (especially no discrimination based on some "personal" judgments of intellectual ability). This would be in keeping with an open mind about forum ideas and topics. There is nothing wrong with speculation and with making some "dumb" science suggestions as long as it is done with a hope of learning something.
Everyone would start by being treated as a defacto adult. The "children" could still comment on all the forum topics but would need to "attract" the adults by good behavior into "helping them" in their own "sandpit" where they and the "children" could post till their hearts are content or even PM any of the forum "adult" members etc. There would "never" be any reason to ban anyone permanently. They can still read everything the adults post which means the "junior members" can look and learn without needing or warranting a "Moderator beating" by a permanent ban.
Of course Moderators would still have the authority to ban certain members for any further bad behavior or improper use of a Science Forum. The childish "food fights" could be kept away from the adult swim.Members would not be sent to the "sandpit" unless they committed some socially incorrect deed. Nobody need know that anyone has been personally sent there unless they tell others. They would stay there for at least 6 months or until they showed that they were no longer offending. Their actual age would have nothing to do with the placement of Forum Members in either group.
Mostly this system is already in place where some areas can be posted to openly and others cannot unless you are logged into the Forum. A creation of an extra attribute field would be enough to divide sheep from the goats. Mostly the system would run itself and the Moderators would need to do nothing much more than present to control the problems.
An alternative would be to only allow members who have full permission and are logged in to post anywhere while those who are logged in and have lowered permissions be able to post only inside the "flagged areas". That way it is a choice for the members which areas they post in without being disrupted or forced to accept abuse. It is then a case of barring unlogged in members from posting anywhere except in the "open" flagged areas.
The "feedback" should be limited to "adults". Most "adults" can wear reasonable negative comments if people still wish to use them (without the abuse).
This means the forum hosts would maximize earnings with page hits and provide moderation without the "iron fist" currently being used of any outright bans.
Pictures can then be allowed by designated adults in the "closed" areas if people use them usefully rather than "abusively".Cheers
Sounds massively convoluted and sort of strange to me GoodElf...I think that printing another page containing a technical picture would be an acceptable alternative. The way they have it now is less humiliating to members who would be relegated to some childish sandpit areas. The ways we judge people these days are not always rational. Some people are not what we think they are at first glance, and in time we find our first judgemnets were wrong.
I think anything that might stigmatize and corner a person into a box they may not then know how to break out of is wrong. I say the more open atmosphere is best. That the moderators are doing a fine job. They way they have implemented this new method is now long overdue, and so long as we don't look at nasty feedback pics that certain people like to place (unless we choose to) it should improve physorg immensly...and the pictures, in links, are still available and printable if important to a thread. Why have them try to judge every member and relegate them to a mental sandbox if someone thinks they need placement there?
That would be a very different task altogether!
I think anything that might stigmatize and corner a person into a box they may not then know how to break out of is wrong. I say the more open atmosphere is best. That the moderators are doing a fine job. They way they have implemented this new method is now long overdue, and so long as we don't look at nasty feedback pics that certain people like to place (unless we choose to) it should improve physorg immensly...and the pictures, in links, are still available and printable if important to a thread. Why have them try to judge every member and relegate them to a mental sandbox if someone thinks they need placement there?
That would be a very different task altogether!
Testing 1,2,3,...
[ img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vZuKzJR5OsaY6M:http://www.socool.com/tv[ /img]
OMG, that's sad.
No more image postings.
[ img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vZuKzJR5OsaY6M:http://www.socool.com/tv[ /img]
OMG, that's sad.
No more image postings.
Why not link to the image?
QUOTE (StevenA+Feb 13 2008, 05:42 PM)
Testing 1,2,3,...
[ img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vZuKzJR5OsaY6M:http://www.socool.com/tv[ /img]
OMG, that's sad.
No more image postings.
Yes, seems that the members have to use an outside toilet now.
[ img]http://tbn0.google.com/images?q=tbn:vZuKzJR5OsaY6M:http://www.socool.com/tv[ /img]
OMG, that's sad.
No more image postings.
Yes, seems that the members have to use an outside toilet now.
Hey NOM, how kind of you to leave me a negative just now , with the words "poser". Now that is interesting timing, because I did a little research today. It seems that the vast majority of the insulting images posted here, that finally led to an image posting ban were posted by those that consider themselves "the forum mafia". So well done guys, you've just about broken the back from this place. A few more staggers, and only your gang will be left I'm sure. Tut!
Science is such a noble persuit. Can you imagine giving some playing cards to a group of monkeys, and seeing if they can play poker? Wonder who will be the first monkey to know they have a royal flush. That's what the gang have done to science here, with their monkiey attitudes. Well done guys...ummmm...I mean posers.
Science is such a noble persuit. Can you imagine giving some playing cards to a group of monkeys, and seeing if they can play poker? Wonder who will be the first monkey to know they have a royal flush. That's what the gang have done to science here, with their monkiey attitudes. Well done guys...ummmm...I mean posers.
QUOTE (Squeeze+Feb 14 2008, 11:16 AM)
Hey NOM, how kind of you to leave me a negative just now
Any time.
Curious that you pick a thread I have not been involved in to leave a message for me.
But on the subject of the forum's use of pictures. Displaying pictures that aren't hosted on a site, as physorg used to, is bandwidth theft.
Any time.
Curious that you pick a thread I have not been involved in to leave a message for me.
But on the subject of the forum's use of pictures. Displaying pictures that aren't hosted on a site, as physorg used to, is bandwidth theft.
QUOTE (N O M+Feb 14 2008, 12:27 AM)
Any time.
Curious that you pick a thread I have not been involved in to leave a message for me.
But on the subject of the forum's use of pictures. Displaying pictures that aren't hosted on a site, as physorg used to, is bandwidth theft.
Strange excuses you make. NOM, you're here to serve the world, not the other way around, my friend. A little mistake that is "educated" into you by those that don't want you to realize your inner potential perhaps. And perhaps it has worked so much that you cannot bring yourself to understand this simple truth? Will you want proof? Shall we go to Brazil and see the proof there that shows how the planet cannot sustain millions and millions of people that think it is there to serve them? Want to hear the groans coming from this planet? Was it the other millions of species that have led this planet to groan? The human species? Intelligence ommitting to mention that little proviso that without respect for life, life will suffer? It needs to be made clear in schools, just how much we are attached to this planet, and they really do need to stop churning out the exam passes to those that use them as pedestals and justification for their selfish actions. The planet doesn't agree, you must have it wrong in your predictions. We are not selfish, we have been brainwashed to think so, and are reaping the rewards.
I think you'll find that serious posters will begin to bypass this place now, as they are already doing. So many hungry mouths, but only those that love their own image in the mirror left to feed us. And you call me a poser? Cheeky person. You go around bombarding anything that doesn't fit into your selfish whims with negative feedback, when you could be serving your fellow man. It's a waste of life my friend. Yours to waste of course. And so is mine, so it is hard luck on you that we find each other here. I'm thinking of saving a planet, so do excuse the seemingly moral high ground. I call it common sense. Nip it in the bud, as we say over here. No occassion is too small.
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Curious that you pick a thread I have not been involved in to leave a message for me.
But on the subject of the forum's use of pictures. Displaying pictures that aren't hosted on a site, as physorg used to, is bandwidth theft.
Strange excuses you make. NOM, you're here to serve the world, not the other way around, my friend. A little mistake that is "educated" into you by those that don't want you to realize your inner potential perhaps. And perhaps it has worked so much that you cannot bring yourself to understand this simple truth? Will you want proof? Shall we go to Brazil and see the proof there that shows how the planet cannot sustain millions and millions of people that think it is there to serve them? Want to hear the groans coming from this planet? Was it the other millions of species that have led this planet to groan? The human species? Intelligence ommitting to mention that little proviso that without respect for life, life will suffer? It needs to be made clear in schools, just how much we are attached to this planet, and they really do need to stop churning out the exam passes to those that use them as pedestals and justification for their selfish actions. The planet doesn't agree, you must have it wrong in your predictions. We are not selfish, we have been brainwashed to think so, and are reaping the rewards.
I think you'll find that serious posters will begin to bypass this place now, as they are already doing. So many hungry mouths, but only those that love their own image in the mirror left to feed us. And you call me a poser? Cheeky person.
You go around bombarding anything that doesn't fit into your selfish whims with negative feedback, when you could be serving your fellow man. It's a waste of life my friend. Yours to waste of course. And so is mine, so it is hard luck on you that we find each other here. I'm thinking of saving a planet, so do excuse the seemingly moral high ground. I call it common sense. Nip it in the bud, as we say over here. No occassion is too small. Brought to you without a spell check
QUOTE (Squeeze+Feb 14 2008, 02:19 PM)
my friend
Don't make that assumption.
No assumption on my part at all. All things are my friend.:-) My baked beans and mashed potatoes get dished out in equal proportions. And I'm also not assuming that you care to see it that way.
No assumption on my part at all. All things are my friend.:-) My baked beans and mashed potatoes get dished out in equal proportions. And I'm also not assuming that you care to see it that way.
What the ?
Brazil......cutting down the rainforests.......self serving humans.....go back and re-read if you must.
Actually I think you are failing to take responsability there. The nasty images and
unappealing words come mostly from you and your crew.
Actually I think you are failing to take responsability there. The nasty images and
unappealing words come mostly from you and your crew.
By greasing up one crank at a time?
New age, growing consciousness, setting example, caring about the implications of one's actions. The more people that wake up the better and quicker. And as people do wake up to self responsability, so it will filter into the institutions, and that will reflect on how we treat each other and the planet. The future is good.
Don't make that assumption.
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Shall we go to Brazil and see the proof there that shows how the planet cannot sustain millions and millions of people that think it is there to serve them?
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| Shall we go to Brazil and see the proof there that shows how the planet cannot sustain millions and millions of people that think it is there to serve them? |
What the ?
I think you'll find that serious posters will begin to bypass this place now
I think you'll find that serious posters will begin to bypass this place now
I agree. It's because the cranks, idiots, loonies and posers appear to have the run of the place.
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I'm thinking of saving a planet
By greasing up one crank at a time?
QUOTE (N O M+Feb 14 2008, 07:39 PM)
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Don't make that assumption.
No assumption on my part at all. All things are my friend.:-) My baked beans and mashed potatoes get dished out in equal proportions. And I'm also not assuming that you care to see it that way.
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| Don't make that assumption. |
No assumption on my part at all. All things are my friend.:-) My baked beans and mashed potatoes get dished out in equal proportions. And I'm also not assuming that you care to see it that way.
What the ?
Brazil......cutting down the rainforests.......self serving humans.....go back and re-read if you must.
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I agree. It's because the cranks, idiots, loonies and posers appear to have the run of the place.
Actually I think you are failing to take responsability there. The nasty images and
unappealing words come mostly from you and your crew.
QUOTE (->
| QUOTE |
| I agree. It's because the cranks, idiots, loonies and posers appear to have the run of the place. |
Actually I think you are failing to take responsability there. The nasty images and
unappealing words come mostly from you and your crew.
By greasing up one crank at a time?
New age, growing consciousness, setting example, caring about the implications of one's actions. The more people that wake up the better and quicker. And as people do wake up to self responsability, so it will filter into the institutions, and that will reflect on how we treat each other and the planet. The future is good.
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