To add comments or start new threads please go to the full version of: "Einstein Wrong - The Miracle Year": Video
PhysOrgForum Science, Physics and Technology Discussion Forums > News discussions > Physics News

rpenner
Again, Pentcho Valev, this is not news. Furthermore, you add no content.

May 26 2006, 08:10 AM - Pentcho Valev in a move that is suicidal for his credibility sides with Dr. Ricardo Carezani's theory of Autodynamics. Here he already has posted the content of links, so why re-post?

May 27 2006, 07:53 AM - My earliest statement on Autodynamics While mentioned nowhere in the trailer for the yet-to-be-released, one-sided propaganda film, Autodynamics is clearly the theory being pushed. (And by pushed I mean sold to the detriment of people who are innocent and don't know better.)

Jun 4 2006, 06:50 AM - Pentcho Valev (orginally on another thread) triggers a comparison between himself and physics kook documentary The next quote comes from my reply to a reply on this thread.

QUOTE (rpenner+Jun 4 2006, 08:04 AM)
Pentcho Valev ... hates the Second Law of Thermodynamics and the fact that Einstein is looked up to. In the past he has tried to make perpetual motion machines, so I understand why he hates the Second Law, but I have NO IDEA why he cares about Einstein. Pentcho Valev is a true believer in "emitter theory" that the speed of the emitter alters the speed of emitted light by simple vector addition. Both astronomical and laboratory experiments have shown this to be wrong, with my personal favorite the measurement of the speed of photons from the decay of neutral pions at 0.2c and 0.9+c, but this doesn't seem to impact Pentcho Valev one whit.

The poster is for a partisan documentary made by advocate of Argentinan Dr. Ricardo Carezani's theory of Autodynamics. This film maker also seems to run the site: autodynamics.org. Carezani's main beef seems to be the neutrino (he doesn't believe it exists), but he's decades behind the state of the art. Carezani, 85, now lives in San Francisco.

I have looked into autodynamics and found it flawed beyond utility. (link to early round of postings) It's even more flawed than Pentcho Valev's emitter theory.
Neil Farbstein
No experimental test of relativity has proved it to be wrong. No other theory is supported by all the experimental observations. Even if there are rival theories, nobody has proved general realtivity to be wrong.
Neil Farbstein
QUOTE (rpenner+Jun 24 2006, 07:38 AM)
Again, Pentcho Valev, this is not news. Furthermore, you add no content.

May 26 2006, 08:10 AM - Pentcho Valev in a move that is suicidal for his credibility sides with Dr. Ricardo Carezani's theory of Autodynamics. Here he already has posted the content of links, so why re-post?

May 27 2006, 07:53 AM - My earliest statement on Autodynamics While mentioned nowhere in the trailer for the yet-to-be-released, one-sided propaganda film, Autodynamics is clearly the theory being pushed. (And by pushed I mean sold to the detriment of people who are innocent and don't know better.)

Jun 4 2006, 06:50 AM - Pentcho Valev (orginally on another thread) triggers a comparison between himself and physics kook documentary The next quote comes from my reply to a reply on this thread.



Jun 4 2006, 08:34 AM - The results of my calculations show that the autodnamics site is unnecessarily misleading.

Valev is an obvious lunatic fringe type.
Pentcho Valev
THE DEATH OF SCIENCE AND THE ROYAL SOCIETY

Twelve years ago (still just shocking the public and making money):

http://www.totse.com/en/technology/space_a...a/ftltravl.html : "ASTRONOMERS PREDICT FASTER THAN LIGHT SPACE TRAVEL. It is boldly going where no reputable scientific body has gone before. Contradicting Einstein, the normally conservative Royal Astronomical Society is about to publish a report predicting that mankind will be able to travel faster than the speed of light. The breakthrough means that Star Trek fantasies of interstellar civilisations and voyages powered by warp drive are now no longer the exclusive domain of science fiction writers...Crawford argues that modern physics may allow two possible ways around Einstein's theory....The theories will boost growing interest among scientists in the possibility of travelling faster than light. The IPS, whose members include several NASA engineers, starts its first conference shortly in Halifax, Nova Scotia."

Six years ago (concern is growing):

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/519406/posts : "A GROUP of astronomers and cosmologists has warned that the laws thought to govern the universe, including Albert Einstein's theory of relativity, must be rewritten. The group, which includes Professor Stephen Hawking and Sir Martin Rees, the astronomer royal, say such laws may only work for our universe but not in others that are now also thought to exist.....AMONG THE IDEAS FACING REVISION IS EINSTEIN'S BELIEF THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT MUST ALWAYS BE THE SAME - 186,000 miles a second in a vacuum.....Rees, Hawking and others are so concerned at the impact of such ideas that they recently organised a private conference in Cambridge for more than 30 leading cosmologists."

What is going on NOW? Why is the silence? Perhaps Rees, Hawking and others have realised that the death of science is irreversible anyway:

http://www.thisislondon.co.uk/news/article...#39;/article.do "SCIENCE AND MATH DEGREES IN IRREVERSIBLE DECLINE"

So one should just concentrate on his/her private happiness and forget about anything else.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
rpenner
Re: FTL paper in 1995

1) This is not news, this is from 1995
2) The paper is I.A. Crawford "Some Thoughts on the Implications of Faster-Than Interstellar Space Travel" Quarterly Journal of the Royal Astronomical Society 36 3 (1995)
3) The paper is flawed by missing out on the quantum field theory no-go theorem for FTL communications. Most of the RAS has zero QFT experience -- so I cannot seriously hold this against them.
4) The focus of the paper is on the "What if ..." scenario. The first section is a "Will it ever be possible..." introduction, which other than the lack of QFT input seems reasonable.
5) How dare you presume to judge a paper by it's popular press coverage?
6) Ian Crawford shows every sign of being a practical futurist, and asking "What if ..." is well within his competence.

Re: Cosmology and the Anthropic principle, 2001
1) This is not a new issue
2) This is an issue at the boundary of physics and meta-physics, and the actual question is "Can physics address these questions?"
3) You must be insensible to communication if you think that these cosmologists remain silent on the subject

Re: University and College Union publication, 2007
1) Isn't this an advocacy group in the UK to spend more public monies on the universities?
2) Even if the study was unbiased, it's talking ONLY about the state of education in the UK, not the state of research or the state of education in even greater Europe.

Finally, Pentcho, you are demonstrated to be off-topic in a thread you created. Rather than finding support for Autodynamics, that laughable conceit, you fail to make even one point in your crusade against Einstein. Neither Ian Crawford nor Rees nor Hawking are saying Einstein was wrong in the domain of applicability of his theories.

truth
Rppener,
You try to guard the relativity.
If it is shown to be dead in April, where will you hide?
rpenner
1) Your post fails to distinguish between Special Relativity and General Relativity which have different realms of applicability
2) You are very unspecific on your April idea.
3) Relativity includes non-living matter so it's already "dead" -- I would be more interested in proof that it is wrong
4) What happens in April of any significance?
5) Relativity doesn't need me to guard it. All of experimental observation to date is consistent with it.
6) Why "hide"? Are you threatening me? That's a rather thuggish way to make a philosophical argument.
7) You are pretty arrogant to post using the handle "truth" -- it's so intrinsically deceptive that I will not bother to wager with you on the outcome of your April demonstration.
truth
QUOTE
Neil Farbstein Posted on Oct 5 2006, 03:02 PM
No experimental test of relativity has proved it to be wrong. No other theory is supported by all the experimental observations. Even if there are rival theories, nobody has proved general realtivity to be wrong. 

It is simply shown GR is wrong:
xxx.lanl.gov/abs/astro-ph/0512614
rpenner
Jin He, who might have some basic training in photometrics, is of more use as meat than a physicist. But Jin He doesn't address Autodynamics at all. What Jin He mostly demonstrates is how to abuse arix.org -- the pre-print server. In Jin He's most recent paper he assumes someone has actually performed an experiment in reaction to his unpublished paper.

Jin He is completely mistaken that a vertical orientation of the Brillet-Hall experiment will test Local Lorentz Invarience.

C.M. Will's paper remains the gold-standard. http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0510072
http://relativity.livingreviews.org/Articl...06-3/fig_2.html

QUOTE
One of these is the Brillet-Hall experiment [48], which used a Fabry-Perot laser interferometer. In a recent series of experiments, the frequencies of electromagnetic cavity oscillators in various orientations were compared with each other or with atomic clocks as a function of the orientation of the laboratory [297, 169, 191, 14, 249]. These placed bounds on (c^−2 − 1) at the level of better than a part in 10^9.


Has truth2k been kicked off the forum?

Dr. Ricardo Carezani, author of Autodynamics, embraces Relativity
In the flawed page Galilean Simplification, on the Autodynamics web site, you can clearly see the author embrace the principle of Galilean relativity. So let's create a test-theory of Galilean relativity and see what we learn.

Let's start with "All inertial frames are “equivalent”, which is where the “Relativity” in Special Relativity comes from. It makes no sense to say that something is moving; it only makes sense to say that one thing is moving with respect to another. Outside of geocentric theories, it is hard to imagine a “reasonable” universe where the relativity postulate does not hold. Galileo of course was not a geocentrist, and the aberration of starlight as show in the 1600's seemed to kill geocentricism.

Galileo says for co-moving frames, x = x' + v t' and t = t', which is pretty simple. Let's make a test theory of Galilean relativity and use experiment to test it.
Lets start with x = A(v) x' + b(v) t' AND t = c(v) t' + d(v) x'

Physically, these two frames must travel with respect to each other with speed v. And if S sees S' move at speed v, then S' should see S move at speed -v with every thing being the same up to a minus sign. Any time dilation should be symmetrical, because otherwise one of S or S' would be a preferred frame.

Since S sees S' move at speed v, then x'=0 must result in x/t = b(v)/c(v) = v, so b(v) = v c(v)
Since S' sees S move at speed -v, then x=0 implies x'/t' = - v c(v)/A(v), therefore A(v) = c(v)

Right now, we have
x = A(v) x' + v A(v) t' AND t = A(v) t' + d(v) x'

If there is a time dilation effect, it needs to be symmetric. For x' = 0, t = A(v) t', but for x = 0, we have
x' = - v t' which means t = A(v) t' -v d(v) t' or t' = t / (A(v) - v d(v) )
Setting these two time-dilations as equal to each other, we have
A(v) = 1 / (A(v) - v d(v)) or d(v) = (1/v) (A(v) - 1/A(v))

Therefore our test theory of Galilean relativity is

x = A(v)(x' + v t') AND t = A(v)(t' + (1/v) (1 - A(v)^-2) x')

which starts with the most basic generalization of Galilean relativity with just internal consistency.

Now, A(v) is some number, but it's a little inconvenient for our purposes, so let's define B(v)^2 = v^2/(1 - A(v)^-2)
In which case A(v) = 1/sqrt(1 - v^2/B(v)^2)

And our relations are
x = (1/sqrt(1 - v^2/B(v)^2))(x' + v t') AND t = (1/sqrt(1 - v^2/B(v)^2))(t' + (v/B(v)^2) x')
or
x = A(v)(x' + v t') AND t = A(v)(t' + (v/B(v)^2) x')


But since "All inertial frames are “equivalent”, we can compare our results at two different values of v, v1 and v2.
That leads to two different values of B1 = B(v1) and B2 = B(v2) and A1 = 1/sqrt(1 - v1^2/B1^2) and A2 = 1/sqrt(1 - v2^2/B2^2)
The result must be in the same form as our relativity transformation.

Applying our relations two times, first for v1 and then for v2, we have

x' = A1(x'' + v1 t'') AND t' = A1(t'' + (v1/B1^2) x'')

x = A2(x' + v2 t') = A1A2(x'' + v1 t'' + v2 t'' + v2 (v1/B1^2) x'') = A1A2((1 + v1v2/B1^2)x'' + (v1+v2) t'' )
t = A2 (t' + (v2/B2^2) x') = A1A2 (t'' + (v1/B1^2) x'' + (v2/B2^2) x'' + (v2/B2^2) v1 t'') = A1A2 ((1 + v1v2/B2^2)t'' + ((v1/B1^2) + (v2/B2^2)) x'' )

But since the coefficients of x'' and t'' will be different unless B1^2 = B2^2, then B(v)^2 must be a constant, independent of v. Let's write B(v)^2 = C^2.

So what is the value of C^2 ?

If C^2 is infinite, then A(v) = 1 and the equations of Galilean Relativity result.
If C^2 is finite and positive, then we have Lorentz transformations where sqrt(C^2) is the limiting speed of objects.
If C^2 is zero, then any non-zero v makes A(v) imaginary and infinite. Nothing could ever move.
If C^2 is negative, then we get a weird result where the possibility of going backwards in time results. This is apparently not physical.

So is C^2 finite or infinite?
sqrt(C^2) >= c because we have measured things moving at c. Indeed, every experiment is consistent with sqrt(C^2) = c, the speed of light.

Therefore, if Carezani embraces experiment and logic, then Carezani embraces Relativity.

Thanks to Pentcho Valev for raising this question and thanks to David Morin for answering it.

David Morin. THERE ONCE WAS A CLASSICAL THEORY…: Introductory Classical Mechanics, with Problems and Solutions, 2004
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch10.pdf
http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16..._appendices.pdf
Guest_truth2k
Everyone knows Rppener and AlphaNumeric write dishonest stuff. No one considers they are sound sense.
However, there are more big liers:

1). C.M.Will:
QUOTE
One of these is the Brillet-Hall experiment [48], which used a Fabry-Perot laser interferometer. In a recent series of experiments, the frequencies of electromagnetic cavity oscillators in various orientations were compared with each other or with atomic clocks as a function of the orientation of the laboratory [297, 169, 191, 14, 249]. These placed bounds on (c^−2 − 1) at the level of better than a part in 10^9.

C.M.Will claims all directions. Big lier!
Everyone can check Brillet-Hall experiment paper.
The cavity like a table parallel to earth surface is rotated constantly. Not vertical at all! You are big lier, C.M.Will! You wrote such dishonest `fact` to earn tax money!

2) I. I. Shapiro: Radar Echo Delay. Phys. Rev. Lett. 28, 1594 (1972): Shapiro et al. You are another big lier, Shapiro. You claim that radar echo data meet GR with error less than 1%. You cheat tax!!
What is radar echo? Simple: radar signal is fireed from earth to another planet when the planet is at the other side of sun. Generally the returned signal takes many minutes when spacetime is flat, for example 16 minutes = 960 seconds. If spacetime is curved, there is excess time delay which is 0.00024 second according to Shapiro. This means radar can measure distance in the accuracy of kilometer (radar is light wave at speed 300000 kilometer/second). You can measure the distance between earth and the other planet with 1 kolometer accuracy?

How to devise a value t so that t minus 960 second equals to 0.00024 second?
Shapiro wanted to earn tax money. Because GR formulas contain sun mass M, earth-sun distance A, and other parameters. Therefore, he assumed that M, A, ... are arbitrary parameters and chosed their optimized values so that GR formulas give the required t and t minus 960 second approaches to 0.00024 second within the error of 1% Big lier!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

3) Even the GR formulas are big liers. Relativists consider the coordinates to have direct meaning of distance, angle, time. However, Rieman proved: if and only if space is flat will one coordinate system exist which has direct meaning of distance, angle, time.

4) Rpenner ans AlphaNumeric are very very small liers.
Pentcho Valev
THE EQUATION EINSTEINIANS HATE DEEPLY

That is the textbook equation

FREQUENCY = (SPEED OF LIGHT)/(WAVELENGTH)

Since the frequency often shifts (confirmed experimentally) the equation tells you that either the speed of light or the wavelength shifts as well and Einsteinians would (and sometimes try to) wholeheartedly explain why it is the wavelength that shifts if it were not almost obvious that the frequency shift is due to VARIABILITY OF THE SPEED OF LIGHT. In moments of mental aberration Einsteinians explicitly admit this:

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm : "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]….Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book “The Principle of Relativity.” You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein’s derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c’=c0(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
rpenner
Equivalently, gravity slows time down.

Again, Pentcho Valev, this is not news. Furthermore, you add no content.
Neil Farbstein
QUOTE (Pentcho Valev+Mar 30 2007, 06:11 AM)
THE EQUATION EINSTEINIANS HATE DEEPLY

That is the textbook equation

FREQUENCY = (SPEED OF LIGHT)/(WAVELENGTH)

Since the frequency often shifts (confirmed experimentally) the equation tells you that either the speed of light or the wavelength shifts as well and Einsteinians would (and sometimes try to) wholeheartedly explain why it is the wavelength that shifts if it were not almost obvious that the frequency shift is due to VARIABILITY OF THE SPEED OF LIGHT. In moments of mental aberration Einsteinians explicitly admit this:

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm : "So, it is absolutely true that the speed of light is _not_ constant in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]….Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book “The Principle of Relativity.” You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein’s derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c’=c0(1+V/c^2) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured."

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com

Einstein changed his mind back then.
Pentcho Valev
QUOTE (Neil Farbstein+Mar 30 2007, 07:57 AM)
Einstein changed his mind back then.

Yes but the equation remains correct and fatal for Einstein's theory. In 1960 Pound and Rebka measured a frequency shift

f'=f(1+V/c^2)

and if you compare this with Einstein's 1911 equation

c'=c(1+V/c^2)

and apply

FREQUENCY = (SPEED OF LIGHT)/(WAVELENGTH)

you will understand why Einstein did so.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com


mott.carl
how could understant the paradox of three twins.where two start from the earth in spaceships and other remain the earth.in some moment the two that are travelling
with speed near speed of light,are returning in opposed directions to the earth.
how observer that paradox?
Pentcho Valev
HOW TO PROVE EINSTEIN WRONG

If one is really interested in verifying Einstein's theory, one could start from the following text written by a fashionable Einsteinian:

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Rela...xperiments.html Tom Roberts: "If the light emitted from a source moving with velocity v toward the observer has a speed c+kv in the observer's frame.....The Doppler effect is the observed variation in frequency of a source when it is observed by a detector that is moving relative to the source. This effect is most pronounced when the source is moving directly toward or away from the detector...."

What is the value of k and how is it related to the frequency variation? Judging from what another fashionable Einsteinian has admitted, the Michelson-Morley experiment proved that the value k=1 is correct:

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00...3/02/Norton.pdf John Norton: "Einstein regarded the Michelson-Morley experiment as evidence for the principle of relativity, whereas later writers almost universally use it as support for the light postulate of special relativity......THE MICHELSON-MORLEY EXPERIMENT IS FULLY COMPATIBLE WITH AN EMISSION THEORY OF LIGHT THAT CONTRADICTS THE LIGHT POSTULATE."

But the problem is more complicated. If there had been more honesty in the relativity cult, the experiment of Michelson-Morley would have led to two competing interpretations:

1. AS FAR AS THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS CONCERNED, Newton's particle model of light is correct. The speed of light is variable, c'=c+v, where c is the speed of photons relative to the light source and v is the relative speed of the light source and the observer. That is what the emission theory says; no miracles (time dilation, length contraction etc.) can be introduced.

2. The speed of light is constant, c'=c, independent of v, the relative speed of the light source and the observer. In this case miracles (time dilation, length contraction etc.) are OBLIGATORY - without them the falsehood of the principle of constancy of the speed of light (c'=c) would be obvious.

The first interpretation is true, the second wrong, and yet the second was adopted in 1905. That was the beginning of a wrong science of course but by no means a sin. The sin started when Einstein implicitly reintroduced the true principle of variability of the speed of light (c'=c+v), thereby obtaining correct results (e.g. the gravitational frequency variation factor), and at the same time conserved the false principle of constancy of the speed of light plus appended miracles, thereby destroying the rationality of generations of scientists (see Chapter 22 in Einstein's "Relativity" for more detail).

Einstein reintroduced the true principle of variability of the speed of light in 1911 when he showed that the speed of light varied with the gravitational potential in accordance with the equation

c' = c(1 + V/c^2)

where V is the gravitational potential. One can apply the equivalence principle as shown in

http://www.courses.fas.harvard.edu/~phys16/Textbook/ch13.pdf pp.2-4

Note that V=gh=cv. Substitute this in Einstein's 1911 equation and you obtain c'=c+v. For that reason relativists do not like Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) and often declare it wrong, although in 1960 Pound and Rebka confirmed it implicitly by measuring a frequency variation

f' = f(1 + V/c^2)

As for the Doppler effect, it would be difficult for relativists to claim that, although the frequency variation measured by Pound and Rebka confirmed the principle of variability of the speed of light c'=c+v, the frequency variation in the slightly different (no acceleration) Doppler situation would be consistent with the false principle of constancy of the speed of light c'=c.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com

















rpenner
Pentcho Valev, you waste every-one's time by pointing out that Michelson-Morley is consistent with the emitter theory of light (and Special Relativity and the dragged ether theory), when on the first page you cite there are exact experiments which prove that the emitter theory of light, with its Newtonian addition of velocities are totally inconsistent with the direct measurement of the speed of light from decaying high-velocity pions.

http://math.ucr.edu/home/baez/physics/Rela...-source%20tests

An experimental result which is consistent with two separate theories is not evidence that one is superior to the other. It takes several experiments to show that Relativity is superior to all previous theories of light-speed phenomena.

http://www.pitt.edu/~jdnorton/teaching/HPS...gins/index.html

http://forum.physorg.com/index.php?showtop...ndpost&p=183605
mott.carl
i think that the mesons pions leads to the non-equivalence of the points of spacetime when the continuos transformations are broken.it is, the the time isn't
reverse for the operator T,but lenght of space are differents,then c+v=c'
c-v=c''.then the spacetime aren't completely flats,but non-linear,that imply the
time dilatation and contractions.with the differences measured between c+v=c'
and c-v=c''.then c''/c' < v.then space,time,energy,and mass are not completely
symmetrics.
Pentcho Valev
WHERE ARE THE EINSTEINIANS?

Some time ago Lee Smolin asked "Where are the Einsteinians?" and revealed the ultimate cause for his concern:

http://www.logosjournal.com/issue_4.3/smolin.htm Lee Smolin: "Quantum theory was not the only theory that bothered Einstein. Few people have appreciated how dissatisfied he was with his own theories of relativity. Special relativity grew out of Einstein's insight that the laws of electromagnetism cannot depend on relative motion and that the speed of light therefore must be always the same, no matter how the source or the observer moves. Among the consequences of that theory are that energy and mass are equivalent (the now-legendary relationship E = mc2) and that time and distance are relative, not absolute. SPECIAL RELATIVITY WAS THE RESULT OF 10 YEARS OF INTELLECTUAL STRUGGLE, YET EINSTEIN HAD CONVINCED HIMSELF IT WAS WRONG within two years of publishing it."

The question "Where are the Einsteinians?" is getting more and more relevant. A search in Internet would show that important Einsteinians have deleted dithyrambic texts from their websites, constantly hint at "small relativity violations", "variable speed of light", "emission theory of light", "signals faster than light" etc. and are apparently waiting for something. So another relevant question is: Waiting for what? Perhaps important Einsteinians have realised that the old principle "Salaries for worshipping Einstein" will soon be revoked. Logically (Einsteinians are great logicians), the new principle will be "Salaries for refuting Einstein". And Einsteinians are waiting for its promulgation.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev
VARIABLE SPEED OF LIGHT FROM AUTHORITY

The variability of the speed of light has become a dangerous topic and relativity hypnotists have been avoiding it for some time. Only relativity zombies are still defending constancy by combining words like "velocity", "speed", "locally", "globally" etc. So it is necessary to show how hypnotists discussed variable speed of light long time ago, when the topic was not so dangerous:

Steve Carlip wrote in sci.physics.research on Aug 1, 1997:
Anthony F. Badalamenti wrote:
: In 1907 Einstein wrote the following in "On The Influence Of
: Gravitation On The Propagation Of Light":


: "From the proposition which has just been proved, that
: the velocity of light in the gravitational field is a
: function of the place..."


: Einstein is referring to the speed of light at this point, not its
: direction.

The problem here comes from the fact that "speed" is a coordinate-dependent quantity, and is therefore somewhat ambiguous. To determine speed---distance/time---you must first choose some standards of distance and time, and different choices can give different answers. This is already true in special relativity: if you measure the speed of light in an accelerating reference frame, the answer will, in general, differ from c. In special relativity, the speed of light is constant when measured in any *inertial* frame. In general relativity, the appropriate generalization is that the speed of light is constant in any freely falling reference frame (in a region small enough that tidal effects can be neglected). In this passage, Einstein is not talking about a freely falling frame, but rather about a frame at rest relative to a source of gravity. In such a frame, the speed of light can differ from c, basically because of the effect of gravity (spacetime curvature) on clocks and rulers.
Steve Carlip
carlip@dirac.ucdavis.edu
______________________________________________________________________________

Zombies should first answer the following questions (hypnotists will remain silent):

1. Does the speed of light "differ from c" in accordance with Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2)?

2. Is the gravitational frequency shift factor (1+V/c^2) due to the fact that the speed of light "differs from c"?

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev
RELATIVITY HYPNOTISTS WANT TO DISCUSS THE FARCE OF PHYSICS

Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
> There has been some discussion of Wallace's claims that radar between
> Earth and Venus travels at c+v. Does anyone have a reference to a real
> paper on this?
>
> I found: http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
> but that is just a long-winded mish-mash without any details or physics
> basis of his claims (I will not discuss the sociological claims).
>
> I also found; Wallace, B.G. 1969. "Radar Testing of the Relative
> Velocity of Light in Space," Spectroscopic Letters, 2, 361.
> But I have no access to that journal. Does anybody have a copy they can
> send to me?
>
>
> Tom Roberts

Roberts Roberts looking for the truth? Or just panic? Roberts Roberts even if Bryan Wallace's book "The Farce of Physics" were, as you say, "just a long-winded mish-mash without any details or physics basis of his claims", just remember the man was dying when he was writing it and try to find the truth about c'=c+v, the emission theory equation, by using more reliable sources. For instance, your brothers hypnotists teach this:

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm "So, IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS NOT CONSTANT in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book "The Principle of Relativity." You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein"s derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 ) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured."

There are two possibilities Roberts Roberts:

1. Einstein 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is consistent with both Pound and Rebka 1960 result f'=f(1+V/c^2) and the emission theory equation c'=c+v, where v is the relative speed of the light source and the observer in the absence of a gravitational field. This would simply mean that c'=c+v is true.

2. Einstein 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is inconsistent with Pound and Rebka 1960 result f'=f(1+V/c^2) but consistent with the emission theory equation c'=c+v, where v is the relative speed of the light source and the observer in the absence of a gravitational field. This would simply mean that both c'=c(1+V/c^2) and c'=c+v are wrong.

Roberts Roberts you know these are the only possibilities. Which one do you recommend Roberts Roberts?

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Neil Farbstein
QUOTE (Pentcho Valev+May 3 2007, 06:17 AM)
RELATIVITY HYPNOTISTS WANT TO DISCUSS THE FARCE OF PHYSICS

Tom Roberts wrote in sci.physics.relativity:
> There has been some discussion of Wallace's claims that radar between
> Earth and Venus travels at c+v. Does anyone have a reference to a real
> paper on this?
>
> I found: http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm
> but that is just a long-winded mish-mash without any details or physics
> basis of his claims (I will not discuss the sociological claims).
>
> I also found; Wallace, B.G. 1969. "Radar Testing of the Relative
> Velocity of Light in Space," Spectroscopic Letters, 2, 361.
> But I have no access to that journal. Does anybody have a copy they can
> send to me?
>
>
> Tom Roberts

Roberts Roberts looking for the truth? Or just panic? Roberts Roberts even if Bryan Wallace's book "The Farce of Physics" were, as you say, "just a long-winded mish-mash without any details or physics basis of his claims", just remember the man was dying when he was writing it and try to find the truth about c'=c+v, the emission theory equation, by using more reliable sources. For instance, your brothers hypnotists teach this:

http://www.physlink.com/Education/AskExperts/ae13.cfm "So, IT IS ABSOLUTELY TRUE THAT THE SPEED OF LIGHT IS NOT CONSTANT in a gravitational field [which, by the equivalence principle, applies as well to accelerating (non-inertial) frames of reference]. If this were not so, there would be no bending of light by the gravitational field of stars....Indeed, this is exactly how Einstein did the calculation in: "On the Influence of Gravitation on the Propagation of Light," Annalen der Physik, 35, 1911. which predated the full formal development of general relativity by about four years. This paper is widely available in English. You can find a copy beginning on page 99 of the Dover book "The Principle of Relativity." You will find in section 3 of that paper, Einstein"s derivation of the (variable) speed of light in a gravitational potential, eqn (3). The result is, c' = c0 ( 1 + V / c2 ) where V is the gravitational potential relative to the point where the speed of light c0 is measured."

There are two possibilities Roberts Roberts:

1. Einstein 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is consistent with both Pound and Rebka 1960 result f'=f(1+V/c^2) and the emission theory equation c'=c+v, where v is the relative speed of the light source and the observer in the absence of a gravitational field. This would simply mean that c'=c+v is true.

2. Einstein 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) is inconsistent with Pound and Rebka 1960 result f'=f(1+V/c^2) but consistent with the emission theory equation c'=c+v, where v is the relative speed of the light source and the observer in the absence of a gravitational field. This would simply mean that both c'=c(1+V/c^2) and c'=c+v are wrong.

Roberts Roberts you know these are the only possibilities. Which one do you recommend Roberts Roberts?

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com

take physica you'll feel better
Pentcho Valev
QUOTE (Neil Farbstein+May 3 2007, 08:43 AM)
take physica you'll feel better

CAN THEORETICAL SCIENCE BE CRIMINAL?

The question seems absurd. Scientists admit theoretical science can be wrong (it is assumed experimental evidence will sooner or later refute the wrong theory) but they do not see why a wrong theory, even if its refutation has been delayed, should be called criminal. Let me advance a tentative definition: Theoretical science is criminal when its development has led to destruction of human rationality. Countless absurdities prevent scientists not only from testing the theory but also from formulating its basic principles - see how scientists do not know what the second law of thermodynamics states (although they teach it to freshmen):

http://philsci-archive.pitt.edu/archive/00000313/

The absurdities, e.g. Einstein famous twin paradox, are often of the type "The greenness of the crocodile exceeds its length" and can only discredit people who tackle them - see Herbert Dingle case:

http://blog.hasslberger.com/2007/02/challe...ns_special.html

Finally, when rationality is destroyed, fraud is thriving - see "The Farce of Physics" by Bryan Wallace:

http://www.ekkehard-friebe.de/wallace.htm

Note: Bryan Wallace was dying when he was writing the book; hence some imperfections in the text.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
Pentcho Valev
GENEROSITY IN THE RELATIVITY CULT

http://newhumanisteditor.blogspot.com/2007...th-physics.html "And finally, but by no means least, he [Lee Smolin] enters an eloquent plea on behalf of the mavericks, the loners, the original thinkers, the sceptics, the unusual and eccentric minds, who he believes are needed to free theoretical physics from the impasse it currently finds itself in. It is a plea to the institution of physics – to physics-2 – to make room for such people, because without them physics-1 is in danger of losing connection with the real world and the strict control of empirical testing."

Mavericks, loners, original thinkers, sceptics, unusual and eccentric minds (previously cranks, crackpots, trolls etc.), please free theoretical physics from the impasse, do create physics-2 because the old money-spinner - physics-1 - is in danger. Lee Smolin, Tom Roberts, Steve Carlip, John Stachel, John Baez, Lubos Motl, Brian Greene, Don Howard, Don Corleone, Don Salvatore and many other members of Einstein's cult would be very very grateful.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
rpenner
QUOTE (Pentcho Valev+May 6 2007, 05:55 PM)
GENEROSITY IN THE RELATIVITY CULT

http://newhumanisteditor.blogspot.com/2007...th-physics.html

Yes, this is a book review you are reading. The author admits his inability to judge what's happening in physics due to his layman status. By this principle, you too, Pentcho Valev, have no ability to judge.

Specifically, "Doubly Special Relativity" is mentioned as an "alternative" theory. Do you know what the predictions of "Doubly Special Relativity" are?

http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0210063
http://arxiv.org/abs/gr-qc/0602075 (Smolin references this, which you would know if you Read Smolin)
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0411154 Introduction to quantum κ-Poincarè algebra
http://arxiv.org/abs/hep-th/0612280 Review article with rebuttal
http://www.physicsforums.com/showthread.php?t=162843
http://motls.blogspot.com/2006/02/doubly-s...ty-is-just.html

QUOTE (Jerzy Kowalski-Glikman+)
The immediate problem with this algebra is the question if it is not just SR in disguise, with funny variables replacing physical momenta. This would clearly be the case had it not for additional structures of quantum κ-Poincarè algebra.


But the basic rule of debate is nitpicking theory A does nothing to make theory B seem more sensible.
Pentcho Valev
QUOTE (rpenner+May 6 2007, 08:37 PM)
Yes, this is a book review you are reading. The author admits his inability to judge what's happening in physics due to his layman status. By this principle, you too, Pentcho Valev, have no ability to judge.

Specifically, "Doubly Special Relativity" is mentioned as an "alternative" theory. Do you know what the predictions of "Doubly Special Relativity" are?

No I only know what the predictions of Singly Special Relativity are.

Pentcho Valev
Pentcho Valev
QUALITATIVE ANALYSIS IN EINSTEIN CRIMINAL CULT

Almost all relativity hypnotists teach that the speed of light varies with the gravitational potential. But they do not go beyond some qualitative analysis: relativity hypnotists deeply hate the quantitative expression of this variation, although it is an equation Einstein discovered in 1911:

c' = c(1 + V/c^2) /1/

where V is the gravitational potential. Einstein's 1911 equation c'=c(1+V/c^2) can be regarded a precursor of an equation showing how the frequency varies with the gravitational potential, an equation that relativity hypnotists deeply love:

f' = f(1 + V/c^2) /2/

The more deeply relativity hypnotists love equation /2/, the more deeply they hate equation /1/. The reason is that a simple argument based on both equations unequivocally leads to the conclusion that the gravitational redshift is due to speed of light variations and therefore there is no gravitational time dilation. Moreover, knowing that the gravitational redshift is due to speed of light variations, even relativity zombies would ask: Is the Doppler effect also due to speed of light variations (that is, to dependence of the speed of light on the relative speed of the light source and the observer)? Once this last question is officially raised in Einstein criminal cult, the so-called theory of relativity would die within a few weeks.

Pentcho Valev
pvalev@yahoo.com
mott.carl
dear mr.Valev

do you can to send one copy of the work of tom roberts?
www.antoncar270@yahoo.com.br

how explain the existence of electrons and positrons( that is associated to the relativistic space and time,it is the contraction of space and dilatation of time))
through of the absolute spacetime?

how you "sees" the inverse lorentz transformation made by H.Dingle,that modify
the variations suffered by the time,of form inverse to the einstein's equations
to the lenght and time?
Bishadi
QUOTE
GENEROSITY IN THE RELATIVITY CULT

http://newhumanisteditor.blogspot.com/2007...th-physics.html "And finally, but by no means least, he [Lee Smolin] enters an eloquent plea on behalf of the mavericks, the loners, the original thinkers, the sceptics, the unusual and eccentric minds, who he believes are needed to free theoretical physics from the impasse it currently finds itself in. It is a plea to the institution of physics – to physics-2 – to make room for such people, because without them physics-1 is in danger of losing connection with the real world and the strict control of empirical testing."

Mavericks, loners, original thinkers, sceptics, unusual and eccentric minds (previously cranks, crackpots, trolls etc.), please free theoretical physics from the impasse, do create physics-2 because the old money-spinner - physics-1 - is in danger. Lee Smolin, Tom Roberts, Steve Carlip, John Stachel, John Baez, Lubos Motl, Brian Greene, Don Howard, Don Corleone, Don Salvatore and many other members of Einstein's cult would be very very grateful.


Hello! TO reference them esoteric mavericks …… I am often called one of them “cranks, crackpots, trolls etc “ can I send in an application.

Over the course of my wee little life, I so happen to have applied a new model to just about every phenomena ever published and from chemistry to base life ‘assembly,’ to consciousness, DNA, evolution and just about every question any person could want answered, I have walked through at some point ….( There are more and why I like to see questions and these forums)

Can I join the gang to publish “physics-2” … Have my house, all of my vehicles and my left arm, (the right has double duty) and how about me just so I can be a fly on the wall, if I am wrong step on me. But I may have a bit to offer. You can even hide me in the mountains.

QUOTE (->
QUOTE
GENEROSITY IN THE RELATIVITY CULT

http://newhumanisteditor.blogspot.com/2007...th-physics.html "And finally, but by no means least, he [Lee Smolin] enters an eloquent plea on behalf of the mavericks, the loners, the original thinkers, the sceptics, the unusual and eccentric minds, who he believes are needed to free theoretical physics from the impasse it currently finds itself in. It is a plea to the institution of physics – to physics-2 – to make room for such people, because without them physics-1 is in danger of losing connection with the real world and the strict control of empirical testing."

Mavericks, loners, original thinkers, sceptics, unusual and eccentric minds (previously cranks, crackpots, trolls etc.), please free theoretical physics from the impasse, do create physics-2 because the old money-spinner - physics-1 - is in danger. Lee Smolin, Tom Roberts, Steve Carlip, John Stachel, John Baez, Lubos Motl, Brian Greene, Don Howard, Don Corleone, Don Salvatore and many other members of Einstein's cult would be very very grateful.


Hello! TO reference them esoteric mavericks …… I am often called one of them “cranks, crackpots, trolls etc “ can I send in an application.

Over the course of my wee little life, I so happen to have applied a new model to just about every phenomena ever published and from chemistry to base life ‘assembly,’ to consciousness, DNA, evolution and just about every question any person could want answered, I have walked through at some point ….( There are more and why I like to see questions and these forums)

Can I join the gang to publish “physics-2” … Have my house, all of my vehicles and my left arm, (the right has double duty) and how about me just so I can be a fly on the wall, if I am wrong step on me. But I may have a bit to offer. You can even hide me in the mountains.

rpenner  ‘mr fully wired’ ……… Yes, this is a book review you are reading. The author admits his inability to judge what's happening in physics due to his layman status. By this principle, you too, Pentcho Valev, have no ability to judge.
and you are? It looks like PV is directly reviewing theorem, where, when and why along with many clips of data to allow a real thinker to look at the publications, go over the theorem and question, ‘that’ data.

But instead, even with his wonderful contributions, every person can look up themselves, you are attacking him personally.

And what credibility do you offer?

Have you taken a shot, putting yourself and your career on the line, being honest, comprehending, sharing and addressing fallacies of a theorem that in truth, even by its author, to be incorrect and does not offer the benchmark to comprehending energy and how mass/energy associates?

The problem is at the interactions and to simplify the quest, look at the reversal of ‘chaos’ which imposes on time, caused by the ‘variant’ increases of ‘amplitude’ by the associating energy upon mass. (like resonances)

There is a whole section in the physics-1 that is missing and to describe how the properties of energy affect mass, not to mention, how that energy is entangled to any other mass affected. It is a huge snow ball that most just cannot fathom.

A fact to recognize is when energy upon mass associates an increase in the combined energy of the 2 can exceed, the sum and increase potential, stability and in the right environment, continue to assimilate and bring more structures and energy together.

To move on …

Now I see the another asking for his (PV) work, without even considering how bad you guys have treated him.

Sir, Mr. Pentcho Valev … I beg you never allow yourself to be purchased just to be heard ….. if what you have is good then live in the contribution, remain within that gift and compassion of your quest.

Thank you, Sir!

Can we talk, PV? I will cover all costs if we are One in the intent. Money is not an issue, finding quality contributors are invaluable. smile.gif

Again Thank You!
PhysOrg scientific forums are totally dedicated to science, physics, and technology. Besides topical forums such as nanotechnology, quantum physics, silicon and III-V technology, applied physics, materials, space and others, you can also join our news and publications discussions. We also provide an off-topic forum category. If you need specific help on a scientific problem or have a question related to physics or technology, visit the PhysOrg Forums. Here you’ll find experts from various fields online every day.
To quit out of "lo-fi" mode and return to the regular forums, please click here.