BBC News...A chemical found in cannabis can act like an antidepressant, researchers have found.
I am submitting this for review because later in the story it goes into the complex and conflicting results people have had researching various cannabinoids in isolation.The Co-Evolution of plants and animals is a much smarter method for building complex systems that interact with other complex systems."Science" at its current state of development is not very good at figuring out the "pool table complexity" of drug interactions or much else, this need not allways be so.
I think that the big drug corps. are leveraging this weakness in Science to yet again patent another natural compound a piece at a time. BBC: ""Raw cannabis is risky" -- Professor Robin Murray, of the Institute of Psychiatry, questioned whether the anti-anxiety and antidepressant effects seen in the animals would be replicated in humans." I would rather trust the emergent inteligence of a co-evolved system then a doctor who seems to me to be a paided or willing shill for big pharma. CF.
I agree that it does have beneficial uses. I know for a fact that it helps with my depression and insomnia. I could hardly get a good night sleep until I started using cannabis.
I’m amazed that cancer patients are not given cannabis to help with the side effects of chemotherapy. People who are on chemotherapy loose their appetite and cannot keep food down. A little cannabis will very quickly eliminate these symptoms.
I’m amazed that cancer patients are not given cannabis to help with the side effects of chemotherapy. People who are on chemotherapy loose their appetite and cannot keep food down. A little cannabis will very quickly eliminate these symptoms.
It goes right up there with a goverment research finding that goes....
"Marijuana is a drug with the unfortunate side effect of euphoria"
"Marijuana is a drug with the unfortunate side effect of euphoria"
"..rats given a cannabinoid were less anxious and less depressed..."
dude. how the hell do they understand if rats are depressed or not? science rocks.
dude. how the hell do they understand if rats are depressed or not? science rocks.
So cannabis acts as an antidepressant. Well, DUH!
The American government acts as a depressant. No wonder they don't like to see people using cannabis.
The American government acts as a depressant. No wonder they don't like to see people using cannabis.
Yeah same here, I couldn't get a good night sleep until i started using cannabis. After a good one, you're out before you even know it. It's always been helpful for cancer patients, so what the hell is so wrong with this drug EH?!
Lol, good point, how Do you tell if rats are depressed or not ?
And When They Are Locked in Cages?
To be fair though, rats have 'Neophobia' it is a fear both of new objects and new spaces, rats are very smart about this, they can tell when a living being has introduced a new object into a space vs a object introduced by a natural process, wind, water, etc...
...Rats histroicly have had supranormal inteligence attributed to them because of this, it makes them very hard to trap or poison.
I am not sure rats losing their 'fear' of new objects can be mapped into depression or stress though, nor am I sure it is a good thing.
And When They Are Locked in Cages?
To be fair though, rats have 'Neophobia' it is a fear both of new objects and new spaces, rats are very smart about this, they can tell when a living being has introduced a new object into a space vs a object introduced by a natural process, wind, water, etc...
...Rats histroicly have had supranormal inteligence attributed to them because of this, it makes them very hard to trap or poison.
I am not sure rats losing their 'fear' of new objects can be mapped into depression or stress though, nor am I sure it is a good thing.
Uhmm..
http://www.marinol.com
MARINOL® (dronabinol) is a synthetic version of a naturally occurring compound known
as delta-9-THC. Delta-9-THC stimulates appetite and reduces nausea and vomiting by binding to special receptors found in your nervous system.
http://www.marinol.com
MARINOL® (dronabinol) is a synthetic version of a naturally occurring compound known
as delta-9-THC. Delta-9-THC stimulates appetite and reduces nausea and vomiting by binding to special receptors found in your nervous system.
Dude I've been using cannabis to make myself eat, sleep, and negate my high depression for 3 years now, I COULD OF TOLD THEM THAT!!!
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Wow, what a bunch of young pot heads we have here.
I'm 34 years old, and started smoking weed at 15. At first it did knock me out and put me to sleep, so long as I was smoking indica. Sativa kept me awake.
As the years went by I developed an anxiety problem, and some social problems such as a lack of interest in hitting on women.
As more years went by I developed full blown depression.
Because these problems took so many years to develop, I did not think it was because of smoking weed.
Out of desperation, I quit smoking.
6 months later I noticed a difference, 6 more months and life was totally different.
My message to you: if you abuse weed you will likely have problems like I did. An occasional high is fine, but smoke it every day and you will have problems. No different than getting drunk every day.
Marijuana is not harmless.
I'm 34 years old, and started smoking weed at 15. At first it did knock me out and put me to sleep, so long as I was smoking indica. Sativa kept me awake.
As the years went by I developed an anxiety problem, and some social problems such as a lack of interest in hitting on women.
As more years went by I developed full blown depression.
Because these problems took so many years to develop, I did not think it was because of smoking weed.
Out of desperation, I quit smoking.
6 months later I noticed a difference, 6 more months and life was totally different.
My message to you: if you abuse weed you will likely have problems like I did. An occasional high is fine, but smoke it every day and you will have problems. No different than getting drunk every day.
Marijuana is not harmless.
Major drug companies don't want cannabis legalized because it's the only naturally occurring pain killer that is not "addictive".
Imagine a surgeon sending you home after a major back operation and prescribing a cannabinoid pain killer that comes in an inhaler. You use it as needed, and when the doctor thinks it's time to cut you off, he does. You don't suffer any physical withdrawal, you don't need to be hospitalized and given methadone, and it doesn't feel like a major part of your life has been ripped from your very being. I should know, it happened to me!
There are too many benefits to cannabis that would greatly undercut the profits of the major drug companies, the same ones that stuff the pockets of our elected officials. The same ones that fund all the groundbreaking drug research in America, and the same ones that pay our nations universities to conduct "independent" drug testing for the FDA before a drug can be released to the market.
Marijuana is classified as a class 1 substance, which is saying that it has "no medicinal value". This has been proven to be incorrect by recent research (even research funded by the government) and yet it is still classified as class 1.
Why the Federal Government doesn't legalize it, is testament to it's hypocrisy and stupidity. Imagine if they did legalize it and simply applied the same laws to it that apply to Alcohol and Tobacco. You have to be 21 or over to buy it, you can't smoke it in public spaces, you cannot drive under the influence, and public intoxication is a no no. Other than that, you would be able to go the liquor store and get a pack of Marlboro Marijuana or Camel Cannabis. Tobacco companies would probably be great at growing pot, and drug companies could isolate and refine it's constituent components for use as medicine. All this while the Federal Government sits back and collects tax on Marijuana, something which it is NOT doing now.
Allowing the government to tax Marijuana gives it controls. They can control how much is sold, and they can control the quality just like they do with alcohol.
What gets me is that while the government sits back and spends billions on it's drug war, they continue to spout that Marijuana is the "Gateway" drug. If that is true, then why don't they take control of it. Take it out of the hands of criminals who would kill and steal for a profit, and put it in the hands of senators and congressmen who do the same thing without getting chased.
Imagine a surgeon sending you home after a major back operation and prescribing a cannabinoid pain killer that comes in an inhaler. You use it as needed, and when the doctor thinks it's time to cut you off, he does. You don't suffer any physical withdrawal, you don't need to be hospitalized and given methadone, and it doesn't feel like a major part of your life has been ripped from your very being. I should know, it happened to me!
There are too many benefits to cannabis that would greatly undercut the profits of the major drug companies, the same ones that stuff the pockets of our elected officials. The same ones that fund all the groundbreaking drug research in America, and the same ones that pay our nations universities to conduct "independent" drug testing for the FDA before a drug can be released to the market.
Marijuana is classified as a class 1 substance, which is saying that it has "no medicinal value". This has been proven to be incorrect by recent research (even research funded by the government) and yet it is still classified as class 1.
Why the Federal Government doesn't legalize it, is testament to it's hypocrisy and stupidity. Imagine if they did legalize it and simply applied the same laws to it that apply to Alcohol and Tobacco. You have to be 21 or over to buy it, you can't smoke it in public spaces, you cannot drive under the influence, and public intoxication is a no no. Other than that, you would be able to go the liquor store and get a pack of Marlboro Marijuana or Camel Cannabis. Tobacco companies would probably be great at growing pot, and drug companies could isolate and refine it's constituent components for use as medicine. All this while the Federal Government sits back and collects tax on Marijuana, something which it is NOT doing now.
Allowing the government to tax Marijuana gives it controls. They can control how much is sold, and they can control the quality just like they do with alcohol.
What gets me is that while the government sits back and spends billions on it's drug war, they continue to spout that Marijuana is the "Gateway" drug. If that is true, then why don't they take control of it. Take it out of the hands of criminals who would kill and steal for a profit, and put it in the hands of senators and congressmen who do the same thing without getting chased.
I've smoked a lot of weed when I was injured, and I'm sorry to say it's a lousy pain killer.
For chemotherapy patients, yeah, it's wonderful, from what I've been told.
Pot should stay illegal, but should be allowed for specific medicalal uses. Not the proposition 215 abuse we have here in California.
For chemotherapy patients, yeah, it's wonderful, from what I've been told.
Pot should stay illegal, but should be allowed for specific medicalal uses. Not the proposition 215 abuse we have here in California.
Drug laws are in fact Not legal in the US...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Speech and Religion both arise from the mind.
The state in regulating drugs in attempting an act of prior restraint on speech by censoring the mind that gives rise to speech and action based on a prediction of guilt via loss of self control.
This also violates due process.
The founders set the firewall out at speech to make sure the mind was protected: If you have a garden and put a fence around it and someone tramples that garden and you complain and say "what about the fence" and they say "Oh, I thought you were only protecting the fence and not the garden'
Drugs are cemical books.
The State has no right to censor them.
I think its a mistake to fight drugs laws on medical grounds, the state has no right to intrude on this area at all.
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Speech and Religion both arise from the mind.
The state in regulating drugs in attempting an act of prior restraint on speech by censoring the mind that gives rise to speech and action based on a prediction of guilt via loss of self control.
This also violates due process.
The founders set the firewall out at speech to make sure the mind was protected: If you have a garden and put a fence around it and someone tramples that garden and you complain and say "what about the fence" and they say "Oh, I thought you were only protecting the fence and not the garden'
Drugs are cemical books.
The State has no right to censor them.
I think its a mistake to fight drugs laws on medical grounds, the state has no right to intrude on this area at all.
You people are such idiots.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Wake up, you morons.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Wake up, you morons.
i've been smoking cannabis for almost four years now for depression and anxiety and i have to say it has done great in my opinion. i've lost over 50lbs. of fat that i gained because of depression/anxiety and i've been able to be much more social than ever before.
everyone reacts differantly to millions of substances, so making blanket statements about the usefullness of any substance cannot be viewed as such.
if it helps you live a better life, great.
if it doesn't help you, find something else.
we should stop stepping on each others toes, just because we want to think that we as the human race came from a cookie cutter.
everyone reacts differantly to millions of substances, so making blanket statements about the usefullness of any substance cannot be viewed as such.
if it helps you live a better life, great.
if it doesn't help you, find something else.
we should stop stepping on each others toes, just because we want to think that we as the human race came from a cookie cutter.
QUOTE (not so fast+Oct 15 2005, 03:40 AM)
My message to you: if you abuse weed you will likely have problems like I did. An occasional high is fine, but smoke it every day and you will have problems. No different than getting drunk every day.
Marijuana is not harmless.
I agree, with the first statement, but my response to the latter is...it isn't the drug, it's the individual..some people shouldn't be doing any type of drug.
QUOTE (ex-pothead+Oct 15 2005, 07:48 PM)
You people are such idiots.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Wake up, you morons.
Ok, genius..so why is fast food legal? why are anti depressents legal ( no, I'm sorry these are just as bad if not worse than the illegal drugs)? And why oh why have people been trying to get laws passed that control vitamins, wow, something that is good for you...thank god they haven't succeeded in this. Oh wait, what about terminator seed technology? I'm sure you have no clue as to what I'm talking about, but then again, I'm sure you have no clue at all.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Wake up, you morons.
Ok, genius..so why is fast food legal? why are anti depressents legal ( no, I'm sorry these are just as bad if not worse than the illegal drugs)? And why oh why have people been trying to get laws passed that control vitamins, wow, something that is good for you...thank god they haven't succeeded in this. Oh wait, what about terminator seed technology? I'm sure you have no clue as to what I'm talking about, but then again, I'm sure you have no clue at all.
Pot is also an anti-convulsant. I have grand mal seizures that are controlled now by Dilantin. But it has side effects: nystagmus, ataxia, slurred speech, decreased coordination and mental confusion. Dizziness, insomnia, transient nervousness, motor twitchings, and headache have also been observed. There have also been rare reports of phenytoin induced dyskinesias, including chorea, dystonia, tremor and asterixis, similar to those induced by phenothiazine and other neuroleptic drugs.
Pot has none of these (for me) and I wish the government would get off it's collective *** and stop the drug war on pot.
I have smoked pot for over 30 years with no problems (I'm sorry for those of you that do) I've got a computer science degree from the UC (University of California)system, have worked for over 20 years in the field. Having been drafted and served the USA during the ugly Vietnam war, I end up being a criminal. Puff, puff.
Geez, even our elected officials have used drugs, maybe not all, but the President of the USA has (Bush) and the guy prior to him, although he does not inhale, and prefers Billy-beer apparently.
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government. As I mentioned about being drafted...I will not allow myself to bow to them any longer.
Pot has none of these (for me) and I wish the government would get off it's collective *** and stop the drug war on pot.
I have smoked pot for over 30 years with no problems (I'm sorry for those of you that do) I've got a computer science degree from the UC (University of California)system, have worked for over 20 years in the field. Having been drafted and served the USA during the ugly Vietnam war, I end up being a criminal. Puff, puff.
Geez, even our elected officials have used drugs, maybe not all, but the President of the USA has (Bush) and the guy prior to him, although he does not inhale, and prefers Billy-beer apparently.
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government. As I mentioned about being drafted...I will not allow myself to bow to them any longer.
MJ (Mary Jane in Spanish) as a "controled substance" is a plant from India.
George Washington received and wrote to a Doctor Anderson about a sample of "artifical hemp" from Selicia, a North Eastern Location, an India Species of Hemp, which GW wrote back he would comment about later, a replay which I was never able to locate in Congress's some 39 volumes of GW's letters.
One could conside these communications with R. Anderson were as to the relative value of hemp for fiber, GW was growing an American Domestic variety and wrote that he did not consider such as suitable for commecial use.
One use appears to be for the making of sails for the journey across the Oceans.
I once head an hour monolog by a very stoned and funny young man about this subject, saying "Without hemp Europeans would not have crossed the oceans since cotten sails were not durable."
We listeners were rolling, literally on the ground.
But I take the most significant clue from GW firing his gardner for being not diligent enough, I figure some of the Indian Hemp was being test for more than blowing sails.
Well GW was said to add MJ to his tabacco, what one cigarette smoker once refered to as a cocktail.
Let's drink a toast to the Head of of Country.
George Washington received and wrote to a Doctor Anderson about a sample of "artifical hemp" from Selicia, a North Eastern Location, an India Species of Hemp, which GW wrote back he would comment about later, a replay which I was never able to locate in Congress's some 39 volumes of GW's letters.
One could conside these communications with R. Anderson were as to the relative value of hemp for fiber, GW was growing an American Domestic variety and wrote that he did not consider such as suitable for commecial use.
One use appears to be for the making of sails for the journey across the Oceans.
I once head an hour monolog by a very stoned and funny young man about this subject, saying "Without hemp Europeans would not have crossed the oceans since cotten sails were not durable."
We listeners were rolling, literally on the ground.
But I take the most significant clue from GW firing his gardner for being not diligent enough, I figure some of the Indian Hemp was being test for more than blowing sails.
Well GW was said to add MJ to his tabacco, what one cigarette smoker once refered to as a cocktail.
Let's drink a toast to the Head of of Country.
There are some uses for cannabis seed that Chinese medicine has recognized for centuries. It is great for unclogging your guts. Better than ex-lax™. Unfortunately, this notion doesn't play into the psychologically seductive components of the mature plant, dried and smoked through some very creative paraphenalia. Sorry guys, cannabis just isn't a great medicine, and smoking it is bad for your longevity, period. It is a great way to get high and escape reality though. It was my favorite!! But please, don't promote it for medicinal qualities. That is horseshit. It's for getting stoned so you can hallucinate reason into whatever occurs to you. Stop falling in love with the first inkling that pops into your head. Grow up. If you really want to hallucinate and exercise reason through the lens of a drug, use LSD. It is MUCH better for bullshitting yourself.
QUOTE (eat+Oct 17 2005, 02:56 AM)
It's for getting stoned so you can hallucinate reason into whatever occurs to you. Stop falling in love with the first inkling that pops into your head. Grow up. If you really want to hallucinate and exercise reason through the lens of a drug, use LSD. It is MUCH better for bullshitting yourself.
"Cast not thy pearls before swine..."
Wisdom is not for all... the majority will simply be immune to it, apparently, and pass it off as "hallucination" or "psychosis" or any similar excuse.
That will not prevent those who can make genuine use of it from doing so, however - as all our history has shown us.
"She's a WITCH! BURN HER!!!"
Hunter Thompson called it "The Fear"... the instinctive reaction that 'normal' people exhibit towards the more evolved ones.
There are indeed prices to be paid - but; for those fortunate few, the journey is worth the peril. I know this to be truth.
"Cast not thy pearls before swine..."
Wisdom is not for all... the majority will simply be immune to it, apparently, and pass it off as "hallucination" or "psychosis" or any similar excuse.
That will not prevent those who can make genuine use of it from doing so, however - as all our history has shown us.
"She's a WITCH! BURN HER!!!"
Hunter Thompson called it "The Fear"... the instinctive reaction that 'normal' people exhibit towards the more evolved ones.
There are indeed prices to be paid - but; for those fortunate few, the journey is worth the peril. I know this to be truth.
The problem with this study is they're not testing the effects of THC on the rats, they're testing HU210.
To make the jump that HU210 can improve memories, and relieve stress in rats too smoking weed with humans is kind of wishful thinking.
I'm not saying that pot doesn't help with anxiety and stress, I'm saying that the media really had no right to try and make this connection which is dismally weak at best.
To make the jump that HU210 can improve memories, and relieve stress in rats too smoking weed with humans is kind of wishful thinking.
I'm not saying that pot doesn't help with anxiety and stress, I'm saying that the media really had no right to try and make this connection which is dismally weak at best.
Ex-pothead wrote:
So is alcohol, smoking, driving, eating nuts, swimming in the sea, playing with firearms and occasionally going for a walk.
Modern justice systems across the word are based on the following principle:
"If something is true for one situation then the same must be true in all similar situations", that is what precedent means.
By this logic we should ban all of the above, or legalese drugs. At the end of the day what is important is not what you do to yourself but what you do to other people. In Europe you could argue that since everyone pays for a national health service drugs should be made illegal to prevent public money being wasted. In the US there exists no such service.
At present most western countries treat drug use as a punishable offense. Thats like punishing sex slaves in brothels, counter productive, unjust and just plain wrong. People who use drugs should be permitted (but heavily taxed) to do so. Treatment programs and advertising should be used to combat them in the same way smoking is now. Freedom means we have the right to do these things, good society means we don't.
QUOTE
You people are such idiots.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Wake up, you morons.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Wake up, you morons.
So is alcohol, smoking, driving, eating nuts, swimming in the sea, playing with firearms and occasionally going for a walk.
Modern justice systems across the word are based on the following principle:
"If something is true for one situation then the same must be true in all similar situations", that is what precedent means.
By this logic we should ban all of the above, or legalese drugs. At the end of the day what is important is not what you do to yourself but what you do to other people. In Europe you could argue that since everyone pays for a national health service drugs should be made illegal to prevent public money being wasted. In the US there exists no such service.
At present most western countries treat drug use as a punishable offense. Thats like punishing sex slaves in brothels, counter productive, unjust and just plain wrong. People who use drugs should be permitted (but heavily taxed) to do so. Treatment programs and advertising should be used to combat them in the same way smoking is now. Freedom means we have the right to do these things, good society means we don't.
smoke weed everyday and you will NEVER get high. and because you'll never be high, you'll be depressed.
is marijuana illegal because politicians profit from drug companies?
i found this interesting...
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/200...anaIllegal.html
Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.
The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.
You'll also see that the history of marijuana's criminalization is filled with:
* Racism
* Fear
* Protection of Corporate Profits
* Yellow Journalism
* Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
* Personal Career Advancement and Greed
In 1930, a new division in the Treasury Department was established -- the Federal Bureau of Narcotics -- and Harry J. Anslinger was named director. This, if anything, marked the beginning of the all-out war against marijuana.
Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity -- a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn't be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.
Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. Some of his quotes regarding marijuana...
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
"Marijuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
And he loved to pull out his own version of the "assassin" definition:
"In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs' 'hashashin' that we have the English word 'assassin.'"
is marijuana illegal because politicians profit from drug companies?
i found this interesting...
http://blogs.salon.com/0002762/stories/200...anaIllegal.html
Many people assume that marijuana was made illegal through some kind of process involving scientific, medical, and government hearings; that it was to protect the citizens from what was determined to be a dangerous drug.
The actual story shows a much different picture. Those who voted on the legal fate of this plant never had the facts, but were dependent on information supplied by those who had a specific agenda to deceive lawmakers. You'll see below that the very first federal vote to prohibit marijuana was based entirely on a documented lie on the floor of the Senate.
You'll also see that the history of marijuana's criminalization is filled with:
* Racism
* Fear
* Protection of Corporate Profits
* Yellow Journalism
* Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators
* Personal Career Advancement and Greed
In 1930, a new division in the Treasury Department was established -- the Federal Bureau of Narcotics -- and Harry J. Anslinger was named director. This, if anything, marked the beginning of the all-out war against marijuana.
Anslinger was an extremely ambitious man, and he recognized the Bureau of Narcotics as an amazing career opportunity -- a new government agency with the opportunity to define both the problem and the solution. He immediately realized that opiates and cocaine wouldn't be enough to help build his agency, so he latched on to marijuana and started to work on making it illegal at the federal level.
Anslinger immediately drew upon the themes of racism and violence to draw national attention to the problem he wanted to create. Some of his quotes regarding marijuana...
"There are 100,000 total marijuana smokers in the US, and most are Negroes, Hispanics, Filipinos, and entertainers. Their Satanic music, jazz, and swing, result from marijuana use. This marijuana causes white women to seek sexual relations with Negroes, entertainers, and any others."
"...the primary reason to outlaw marijuana is its effect on the degenerate races."
"Marijuana is an addictive drug which produces in its users insanity, criminality, and death."
"Reefer makes darkies think they're as good as white men."
"Marijuana leads to pacifism and communist brainwashing"
"You smoke a joint and you're likely to kill your brother."
"Marijuana is the most violence-causing drug in the history of mankind."
And he loved to pull out his own version of the "assassin" definition:
"In the year 1090, there was founded in Persia the religious and military order of the Assassins, whose history is one of cruelty, barbarity, and murder, and for good reason: the members were confirmed users of hashish, or marihuana, and it is from the Arabs' 'hashashin' that we have the English word 'assassin.'"
QUOTE (eat+Oct 17 2005, 02:56 AM)
Sorry guys, cannabis just isn't a great medicine, and smoking it is bad for your longevity, period.
Gosh, I'd think that before you went around making such emphatic pronouncements about the impact of cannabis use on mortality you might actually, you know, check out the peer-reviewed scientific literature on the subject, which sure seems to suggest that cannabis smoking, even heavy and long-term, does not appear to have any measurable impact on mortality (Sidney, 1997. Marijuana Use and Mortality. American Journal of Public Health 87, 585-590). A variety of studies have now shown that cannabis used does not increase risk of death from cardiovascular disease, head/neck/lung cancers, or chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases, which are the three biggest sources of excess mortality in tobacco smokers. For a thorough review of the literature, please see:
www.geocities.com/cannabinoidscience
Cannabis is a psychoactive substance. It can be abused, or used in maladaptive ways. No doubt about it. But please, lets stick to the science when we make our anti-drug statements.
Gosh, I'd think that before you went around making such emphatic pronouncements about the impact of cannabis use on mortality you might actually, you know, check out the peer-reviewed scientific literature on the subject, which sure seems to suggest that cannabis smoking, even heavy and long-term, does not appear to have any measurable impact on mortality (Sidney, 1997. Marijuana Use and Mortality. American Journal of Public Health 87, 585-590). A variety of studies have now shown that cannabis used does not increase risk of death from cardiovascular disease, head/neck/lung cancers, or chronic obstructive pulmonary diseases, which are the three biggest sources of excess mortality in tobacco smokers. For a thorough review of the literature, please see:
www.geocities.com/cannabinoidscience
Cannabis is a psychoactive substance. It can be abused, or used in maladaptive ways. No doubt about it. But please, lets stick to the science when we make our anti-drug statements.
Having gone on a serious rant previously I'd like to state my position on this. I occasionally use cannabis. I wouldn't however reccomennd this course of action to anyone, peronally i believe it has more negative (reduced "drive", increased lethargy, health etc.) effects than positive (makes even bad TV seem great, relaxing, change of PoV).
However I do not believe that governments should have a right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my body (that goes for all drugs). Yes some substances can be harmfull but that is my concern. It doesn't effect anyone else (unless we are talking about organised crime, but thats BECAUSE drugs are illegal, it wouldn't happen otherwise).
I believe drugs should be legalised and heavily taxed and 50% of the revenue should go towards anti-drug publicity and treatment programs. Drugs are bad, mmm-kay, but no one has the right to actively ban me from taking them.
However I do not believe that governments should have a right to tell me what I can or cannot do with my body (that goes for all drugs). Yes some substances can be harmfull but that is my concern. It doesn't effect anyone else (unless we are talking about organised crime, but thats BECAUSE drugs are illegal, it wouldn't happen otherwise).
I believe drugs should be legalised and heavily taxed and 50% of the revenue should go towards anti-drug publicity and treatment programs. Drugs are bad, mmm-kay, but no one has the right to actively ban me from taking them.
I BELIEVE:
Marijuana should be EQUAL to Booz!!! or tobacco
My choice right, i don't drink.
If any Aussie scientists out there (or anyone in Oz for that matter) wish to perform a non-bias study on humans, ill sign on for the un-doctored truth.
Put an add in the paper and wait for the calls we want to know too, we have more riding on it.
Just Do It.
Marijuana should be EQUAL to Booz!!! or tobacco
My choice right, i don't drink.
If any Aussie scientists out there (or anyone in Oz for that matter) wish to perform a non-bias study on humans, ill sign on for the un-doctored truth.
Put an add in the paper and wait for the calls we want to know too, we have more riding on it.
Just Do It.
Well, it certainly is a rather frustrating situation, isn't it? I became acquainted with cannabis during the year of 1970, and it has been my faithful companion since; a dear friend, indeed. However; while I do deplore the 'illegitimacy' and stigma that has been attached to it, I also feel a great compassion towards those whose lives have been adversely affected - be it through criminal victimisation or unfair incarceration - and I too wish to see the situation changed.
Having given some thought to this matter throughout the years, I feel perhaps a change in focus may be suggested. Specifically, that the 'illegitimacy' of the substance itself should be annulled, and the law-enforcement efforts should instead be redirected towards the actual _trafficking_ of the plant.
In other words, I do not believe that otherwise law-abiding citizens should be penalised for either possessing or producing cannabis for their own use and purpose, but rather, that law-enforcement agencies should pursue and apprehend those who seek to intentionally traffick and distribute it solely for _monetary gain_, or usurious purposes. Simply put: if the 'value' of a substance is removed or reduced drastically, so too the criminal activities which commonly result shall follow in suit.
A degree of common sense should be allowed to prevail. If a people should be permitted to lawfully possess or produce their own cannabis, and there may be some amongst them which produce amounts in excess of their own immediate requirements, they should be allowed to share their excess with others as well - provided no monies are asked for, nor exchanged of hands. It _must_ be given entirely freely, for as soon as an exchange of money becomes involved then such _does_ provide legitimate proof of, and constitute, a criminal intent.
By such means would governments be able to avoid becoming entangled in complex 'distribution' and taxation involvements, and so avoid the alienation of their electorates - while retaining nevertheless the lawful authority to apprehend, prosecute, and incarcerate those engaging in true criminal activities and intentions.
However, this is all merely a simple suggestion... perhaps I am indeed being somewhat naive in outlook - my thinking being that, should people be allowed to produce their own drugs lawfully, there would no longer exist any real need to resort to the criminal elements of society for supplying such. Yet, I still remain hopeful that amendments akin to this, in concert with truthful and _proper_ drug education programs, may someday be of assistance in helping to bring about a reversal of the current situation - for if the present "methods" are continued, I fear the outcome will only range ever-further towards the negative... and we will all pay an ever-increasing price.
Sigh... are there truly any more sensible alternatives? I look back throughout the records of history, and note only that the "war" against drugs has been fought openly now for already more than a full century - with no victory whatsoever apparent; only a continuing escalation.
A rather appalling situation, indeed. Where, I wonder, will it lead us in the end? Basic human nature cannot be ignored nor denied; there will always be amongst us those who will seek out 'alternative' experiences and lifestyles - as surely as there will always be a majority that will not. Shall we continue to fear and persecute the former group... well; forever?
And if so, at what eventual cost - to all?
Having given some thought to this matter throughout the years, I feel perhaps a change in focus may be suggested. Specifically, that the 'illegitimacy' of the substance itself should be annulled, and the law-enforcement efforts should instead be redirected towards the actual _trafficking_ of the plant.
In other words, I do not believe that otherwise law-abiding citizens should be penalised for either possessing or producing cannabis for their own use and purpose, but rather, that law-enforcement agencies should pursue and apprehend those who seek to intentionally traffick and distribute it solely for _monetary gain_, or usurious purposes. Simply put: if the 'value' of a substance is removed or reduced drastically, so too the criminal activities which commonly result shall follow in suit.
A degree of common sense should be allowed to prevail. If a people should be permitted to lawfully possess or produce their own cannabis, and there may be some amongst them which produce amounts in excess of their own immediate requirements, they should be allowed to share their excess with others as well - provided no monies are asked for, nor exchanged of hands. It _must_ be given entirely freely, for as soon as an exchange of money becomes involved then such _does_ provide legitimate proof of, and constitute, a criminal intent.
By such means would governments be able to avoid becoming entangled in complex 'distribution' and taxation involvements, and so avoid the alienation of their electorates - while retaining nevertheless the lawful authority to apprehend, prosecute, and incarcerate those engaging in true criminal activities and intentions.
However, this is all merely a simple suggestion... perhaps I am indeed being somewhat naive in outlook - my thinking being that, should people be allowed to produce their own drugs lawfully, there would no longer exist any real need to resort to the criminal elements of society for supplying such. Yet, I still remain hopeful that amendments akin to this, in concert with truthful and _proper_ drug education programs, may someday be of assistance in helping to bring about a reversal of the current situation - for if the present "methods" are continued, I fear the outcome will only range ever-further towards the negative... and we will all pay an ever-increasing price.
Sigh... are there truly any more sensible alternatives? I look back throughout the records of history, and note only that the "war" against drugs has been fought openly now for already more than a full century - with no victory whatsoever apparent; only a continuing escalation.
A rather appalling situation, indeed. Where, I wonder, will it lead us in the end? Basic human nature cannot be ignored nor denied; there will always be amongst us those who will seek out 'alternative' experiences and lifestyles - as surely as there will always be a majority that will not. Shall we continue to fear and persecute the former group... well; forever?
And if so, at what eventual cost - to all?
In the 'seventies, I too found marijuana to be the perfect cure for insomnia.
I love everthing about this complex magic herb.
Thanks.
I love everthing about this complex magic herb.
Thanks.
I'm off again!
If marijuana messes you up you're smoking a variety that doesn't suit your psyche. With full legality, you'd know which variety suits you best and you'd stick with it.
Prohibition isn't just bad; it's much worse than that. It's a continuation of witchhunting by other means. There will always be morons who like *** up other people's lives. . . for kicks! These people should be barred from politics, and the ones already there should be kicked to hell out. The remaining 5% would be the competent ones and most able to govern.
Thanks.
If marijuana messes you up you're smoking a variety that doesn't suit your psyche. With full legality, you'd know which variety suits you best and you'd stick with it.
Prohibition isn't just bad; it's much worse than that. It's a continuation of witchhunting by other means. There will always be morons who like *** up other people's lives. . . for kicks! These people should be barred from politics, and the ones already there should be kicked to hell out. The remaining 5% would be the competent ones and most able to govern.
Thanks.
For years, I have supported the government's decision to make certain drugs illegal in the US. Of late, I have come to the conclusion that the war on drugs is fundamentally faulted. There is a need for a segment of the population (unrelated to race or gender) to want safe drugs that help to combat depression.
That portion of our national budget going to the so called "war on drugs" is wasted. The billions spent on illegal drugs is strangling our economy and enriching criminals.
The time has come for sane people to realize we have lost the war. Better to come up with safe alternatives and tax them, just as we tax less safe substances like tobacco and alcohol, and use these revenues to help people with depression and substance dependency problems.
That portion of our national budget going to the so called "war on drugs" is wasted. The billions spent on illegal drugs is strangling our economy and enriching criminals.
The time has come for sane people to realize we have lost the war. Better to come up with safe alternatives and tax them, just as we tax less safe substances like tobacco and alcohol, and use these revenues to help people with depression and substance dependency problems.
Cool, Pops!, cool...I dig it too...
Law enforcement should redirect its effort allright....to catching CRIMINALS.
Murderers, rapists, child molesters, you name it, are all being let loose on our streets and on our society while THE STUPID-*** COPS AND POLITICIANS want to persecute people whose only crime is consuming a plant!!! Think about it, IT IS VERY STUPID!!!
What is the matter with people these days?? (rhetorical question)
Murderers, rapists, child molesters, you name it, are all being let loose on our streets and on our society while THE STUPID-*** COPS AND POLITICIANS want to persecute people whose only crime is consuming a plant!!! Think about it, IT IS VERY STUPID!!!
What is the matter with people these days?? (rhetorical question)
Hi All,
What I think is really stupid is the desire to contaminate your minds with these psychosis inducing chemicals. In the right doses and under medical supervision these things can be a great power for good... in the hands of criminals and greedy people it turns something "good" into the most stupid thing man can do to himself. Your mind is a precious gift and to do things to it you "know" will leave lasting debility is the most sorry case of self abuse you can perform. To simply cave in to simple self gratification is inappropriate because the cost is too great to the rest of your productive life. It is not harmless and you all know it. You are seeking chemicals to upset the natural processes of your mind and your bodies. No matter how you do this there is a cost. Any excessive abuse of any chemical even alcohol is leaving you a pawn for others and you are being harnessed by those who would mercilessly exploit you as a cash cow and a fool. I respect your free will so I will not interfere but do not look for sympathy from others when you find out the real truth later in life.
Cheers
What I think is really stupid is the desire to contaminate your minds with these psychosis inducing chemicals. In the right doses and under medical supervision these things can be a great power for good... in the hands of criminals and greedy people it turns something "good" into the most stupid thing man can do to himself. Your mind is a precious gift and to do things to it you "know" will leave lasting debility is the most sorry case of self abuse you can perform. To simply cave in to simple self gratification is inappropriate because the cost is too great to the rest of your productive life. It is not harmless and you all know it. You are seeking chemicals to upset the natural processes of your mind and your bodies. No matter how you do this there is a cost. Any excessive abuse of any chemical even alcohol is leaving you a pawn for others and you are being harnessed by those who would mercilessly exploit you as a cash cow and a fool. I respect your free will so I will not interfere but do not look for sympathy from others when you find out the real truth later in life.
Cheers
While i was scrolling through the internet trying to find out why my body is rejecting any and all foods I try put in it (I dont puke it up but I can try to swallow it our I Just get the gag reflex for some reason) and I came to the conclusion of depression (WebMD). Now as a gerneral pot smoker I figured this was some how connected and I seached and found this article. I only started getting these symtoms of depression after long periods of not smoking. So I though its just withdrawls and I need to quit but then I remember something from 2 years ago. I WAS DEPRESSED BEFORE I STARTED SMOKING and I just didnt realize it. So weather or not thats proof that it helps with depression or not is yet to be seen but I think I need a cheaper anti-depressant 
Oh and the guy above me who says that smoking is putting a forgein chemical in your body and that we are all stupid because it alters your state of mind.....anytime you eat something or breath ur putting all kinda of different chemicals in ur body and it to will alter your state of mind you jackass....why do you think people eat a ice cream when they are depressed....BECAUSE ALTERS THERE BRAIN CHEMISTRY AND MAKES THEM HAPPY! JESUS CHRIST before people pass judgment on a subject or even make a decision they should stop and think do I know enough about topic to make that kind of assesment. (im assuming that guy or girl knows about as much about weed as bush does about ....nothing really
Oh and the war on drugs is like trying to put out a fire with kindling. Anytime the government takes down a drug lord the next most powerful drug lord will take over his operations plus his own and then we got a even worse problem on our hands. Weed is a abusive drug yes...its the most use drug in the world probably but what is also the priority target of the drug war? WEED..... Just like during prohibition (except with alcohol....which in my opinion is far more dangerious and destructive to teens and adults) During prohibition alcohol grew by millions dollar ..... the buisness that wasnt suppose to exist anymore right? Why does out country insist refusing alternate souces of revenue to all already crumbling economy. Not only could we tax...it could be DOMESTICALLY GROWN so we wouldnt have to rely on forgein imports which help the economy not to metion the Enviroment Benifits as alternate resouce like clothing and paper, according to department of agriculture study 1 acre of hemp when mix with regular recycled paper will produce just as much paper as 4 acres of trees (Thanks for looking out for a natural resouces Bush....Jackass) Oils extracted from hemp can be burn as alerternate fuel source, soap and even baking (not that kind guys). Then theres of course the medical uses which frankly the governemt should accually put money in for research insted of buy a milllion dollar bomb. seriously laser guided bombs cost anywhere from 1-2 million dollars...of your money, or parents, to kill so called "terrorist" who accually bring the right in our face where as we bomb there citys from miles above the earth or from a thousand miles away......so whos the terrorist people. The military budget is somewhere around 300 billion dollars I think and the education and is only 25 billion I think (cant remember the exact numbers but the ratio was about the same) I think we spend more on killing people then helping them....... but anyways enough of that stuff lets talk about bush and his war on drugs some shall we. Did you know he did cocaine? well im not sure if its proven or not but why would he duck and dodge the questions about it during his campaign with gore. George bush's drug "expert" John walters said that B.C. Bud was so potent that dealers were trading oz of weed for oz cocaine well he was half right in his i assume half assed intellegence gathers werent aware of the fact that cocanes street price had fallen because of the tough on drugs policy but weed had increased by 1000% or those of you to stoned 10 times as much. wow I can see we are wining this war. Lets talk about the end results of all this...the people. As stated above tons (around 700,000 and 80% of which was for possession around the turn of the century) were imprisoned on weed charges and about 80% of those imprisoned were either black or hispanic. Cops were expicity picking out the minorities because with piss poor common sence and inaccurate information. This political nightmare was coin with the driving while black phrase that we still here today.
I could go on and on and on but I dont want to bore you so I will end with this quote from a bush protestor
He can be forgiven for a boyhood infatuation (cocaine) but if our children do it its a 100 year incareration
If you want to argue with me please send ur comments or whatever
-Will aka snake charmer
-Spartanii2004@gmail.com
p.s. Im sure there are grammer errors and/or I downright fucked something up but again if you want to correct me ur welcome to do so
Oh and the guy above me who says that smoking is putting a forgein chemical in your body and that we are all stupid because it alters your state of mind.....anytime you eat something or breath ur putting all kinda of different chemicals in ur body and it to will alter your state of mind you jackass....why do you think people eat a ice cream when they are depressed....BECAUSE ALTERS THERE BRAIN CHEMISTRY AND MAKES THEM HAPPY! JESUS CHRIST before people pass judgment on a subject or even make a decision they should stop and think do I know enough about topic to make that kind of assesment. (im assuming that guy or girl knows about as much about weed as bush does about ....nothing really
Oh and the war on drugs is like trying to put out a fire with kindling. Anytime the government takes down a drug lord the next most powerful drug lord will take over his operations plus his own and then we got a even worse problem on our hands. Weed is a abusive drug yes...its the most use drug in the world probably but what is also the priority target of the drug war? WEED..... Just like during prohibition (except with alcohol....which in my opinion is far more dangerious and destructive to teens and adults) During prohibition alcohol grew by millions dollar ..... the buisness that wasnt suppose to exist anymore right? Why does out country insist refusing alternate souces of revenue to all already crumbling economy. Not only could we tax...it could be DOMESTICALLY GROWN so we wouldnt have to rely on forgein imports which help the economy not to metion the Enviroment Benifits as alternate resouce like clothing and paper, according to department of agriculture study 1 acre of hemp when mix with regular recycled paper will produce just as much paper as 4 acres of trees (Thanks for looking out for a natural resouces Bush....Jackass) Oils extracted from hemp can be burn as alerternate fuel source, soap and even baking (not that kind guys). Then theres of course the medical uses which frankly the governemt should accually put money in for research insted of buy a milllion dollar bomb. seriously laser guided bombs cost anywhere from 1-2 million dollars...of your money, or parents, to kill so called "terrorist" who accually bring the right in our face where as we bomb there citys from miles above the earth or from a thousand miles away......so whos the terrorist people. The military budget is somewhere around 300 billion dollars I think and the education and is only 25 billion I think (cant remember the exact numbers but the ratio was about the same) I think we spend more on killing people then helping them....... but anyways enough of that stuff lets talk about bush and his war on drugs some shall we. Did you know he did cocaine? well im not sure if its proven or not but why would he duck and dodge the questions about it during his campaign with gore. George bush's drug "expert" John walters said that B.C. Bud was so potent that dealers were trading oz of weed for oz cocaine well he was half right in his i assume half assed intellegence gathers werent aware of the fact that cocanes street price had fallen because of the tough on drugs policy but weed had increased by 1000% or those of you to stoned 10 times as much. wow I can see we are wining this war. Lets talk about the end results of all this...the people. As stated above tons (around 700,000 and 80% of which was for possession around the turn of the century) were imprisoned on weed charges and about 80% of those imprisoned were either black or hispanic. Cops were expicity picking out the minorities because with piss poor common sence and inaccurate information. This political nightmare was coin with the driving while black phrase that we still here today.
I could go on and on and on but I dont want to bore you so I will end with this quote from a bush protestor
He can be forgiven for a boyhood infatuation (cocaine) but if our children do it its a 100 year incareration
If you want to argue with me please send ur comments or whatever
-Will aka snake charmer
-Spartanii2004@gmail.com
p.s. Im sure there are grammer errors and/or I downright fucked something up but again if you want to correct me ur welcome to do so
Hello-
What interesting points I have read here. Here is my take:
Pot is useful and helpful. It will not work in positive ways for everyone- just like all antidepressants- (or even anti acids) don't work for everyone. If something works for you, then use it in a balanced/moderate way. Just like everything else you consume! And to those of you who say it is bad to put this substance in your body: Stop eating fast food. And stop eating processed foods (white bread, meats that are hormonally treated, ALL sugar, etc). Stop drinking sodas/diet sodas... That crap is worse than an occasional joint or glass of wine/beer. And we consume SO MUCH of it! That is why the US is the most obese/ill developed country in the world. Marijuana is from the earth. It is plant. It is natural. It can be used to help many cases when respected. Overuse/misuse of ANYTHING is bad for you!
This is not a cut-and-dry subject. There are political implications to this subject as well, and we all know when politics get their hands in something, well...
The war on drugs? Well, in my opinion if our US govt made it legal, they would lose a lot of $$$$. It's not all about health (the reason the gov't states they will not make it legal. they don't give a sh** about our health!) it is all about the $$$.
Peace!
What interesting points I have read here. Here is my take:
Pot is useful and helpful. It will not work in positive ways for everyone- just like all antidepressants- (or even anti acids) don't work for everyone. If something works for you, then use it in a balanced/moderate way. Just like everything else you consume! And to those of you who say it is bad to put this substance in your body: Stop eating fast food. And stop eating processed foods (white bread, meats that are hormonally treated, ALL sugar, etc). Stop drinking sodas/diet sodas... That crap is worse than an occasional joint or glass of wine/beer. And we consume SO MUCH of it! That is why the US is the most obese/ill developed country in the world. Marijuana is from the earth. It is plant. It is natural. It can be used to help many cases when respected. Overuse/misuse of ANYTHING is bad for you!
This is not a cut-and-dry subject. There are political implications to this subject as well, and we all know when politics get their hands in something, well...
The war on drugs? Well, in my opinion if our US govt made it legal, they would lose a lot of $$$$. It's not all about health (the reason the gov't states they will not make it legal. they don't give a sh** about our health!) it is all about the $$$.
Peace!
QUOTE (Carbonflux+Oct 14 2005, 11:36 AM)
Lol, good point, how Do you tell if rats are depressed or not ?
And When They Are Locked in Cages?
To be fair though, rats have 'Neophobia' it is a fear both of new objects and new spaces, rats are very smart about this, they can tell when a living being has introduced a new object into a space vs a object introduced by a natural process, wind, water, etc...
...Rats histroicly have had supranormal inteligence attributed to them because of this, it makes them very hard to trap or poison.
I am not sure rats losing their 'fear' of new objects can be mapped into depression or stress though, nor am I sure it is a good thing.
He heh ! Funny thread. I used to smoke the stuff all day long. It is a depressant too you know. Gee you would think there were more studies because there are many willing participants for a good social-psycological-test....I had to quit smoking it precisely because it is an emotion intensifyer....if you are depressed already it may not be terribly helpful.
Stuff should come with a warning label.
Even sex can be better or worse on it because it is highly RELAXING....if you get my meaning. Too relaxing is not effective AT TIMES...ESPECIALLY IF YOUR MUSCLES BECOME VERY RELAXED.
Certainly some muscles being control-able during sex ARE truly what adds to the good time
nOW AS FAR AS BEING MADE DEPRESSED BY SOMETHING AS GOOD AS THE LOCAL kONA gOLD....WHEN i LIVED IN hAWAII. dON'T EVEN TRY TO GUESS. iT WAS HELL ON WHEELS AND NOTHING CAN COMPARE TO THE THRILL WHEN YOU GET A GOOD DOSE OF DA KIne weed....but it does cause depression in the wrong recipient just like any drug will have a different reaction in a different individual.
Dont just think everyone benefits from it's usage. I would say extreme moderation is in order if you have goals to reach also. My reason for being a very late bloomer. Good Pot.
period.
It is nice to be a beach bum but you may have nothing to give to the world if you dont do other things eventually. And nothing to pass on to your offspring except your depression~ if you dont find a cure in the end.
I was raised by pot-heads babe!
Flower child to da max.
Aloha.
(be careful y'all)
P.S. I quoted this because I meant to say that men are so sure they know all about rats/mice and the like yet they can't even profess to actually have a grasp on their own genre....homo e'ruckus...hah hah ha!
And When They Are Locked in Cages?
To be fair though, rats have 'Neophobia' it is a fear both of new objects and new spaces, rats are very smart about this, they can tell when a living being has introduced a new object into a space vs a object introduced by a natural process, wind, water, etc...
...Rats histroicly have had supranormal inteligence attributed to them because of this, it makes them very hard to trap or poison.
I am not sure rats losing their 'fear' of new objects can be mapped into depression or stress though, nor am I sure it is a good thing.
He heh ! Funny thread. I used to smoke the stuff all day long. It is a depressant too you know. Gee you would think there were more studies because there are many willing participants for a good social-psycological-test....I had to quit smoking it precisely because it is an emotion intensifyer....if you are depressed already it may not be terribly helpful.
Stuff should come with a warning label.
Even sex can be better or worse on it because it is highly RELAXING....if you get my meaning. Too relaxing is not effective AT TIMES...ESPECIALLY IF YOUR MUSCLES BECOME VERY RELAXED.
Certainly some muscles being control-able during sex ARE truly what adds to the good time
nOW AS FAR AS BEING MADE DEPRESSED BY SOMETHING AS GOOD AS THE LOCAL kONA gOLD....WHEN i LIVED IN hAWAII. dON'T EVEN TRY TO GUESS. iT WAS HELL ON WHEELS AND NOTHING CAN COMPARE TO THE THRILL WHEN YOU GET A GOOD DOSE OF DA KIne weed....but it does cause depression in the wrong recipient just like any drug will have a different reaction in a different individual.
Dont just think everyone benefits from it's usage. I would say extreme moderation is in order if you have goals to reach also. My reason for being a very late bloomer. Good Pot.
period.
It is nice to be a beach bum but you may have nothing to give to the world if you dont do other things eventually. And nothing to pass on to your offspring except your depression~ if you dont find a cure in the end.
I was raised by pot-heads babe!
Flower child to da max.
Aloha.
(be careful y'all)
P.S. I quoted this because I meant to say that men are so sure they know all about rats/mice and the like yet they can't even profess to actually have a grasp on their own genre....homo e'ruckus...hah hah ha!
QUOTE (not so fast+Oct 14 2005, 08:40 PM)
Wow, what a bunch of young pot heads we have here.
I'm 34 years old, and started smoking weed at 15. At first it did knock me out and put me to sleep, so long as I was smoking indica. Sativa kept me awake.
As the years went by I developed an anxiety problem, and some social problems such as a lack of interest in hitting on women.
As more years went by I developed full blown depression.
Because these problems took so many years to develop, I did not think it was because of smoking weed.
Out of desperation, I quit smoking.
6 months later I noticed a difference, 6 more months and life was totally different.
My message to you: if you abuse weed you will likely have problems like I did. An occasional high is fine, but smoke it every day and you will have problems. No different than getting drunk every day.
Marijuana is not harmless.
my point exactly!
different strokes for different folks I guess...
I say the best answers lie in real scientific testing on a varied group.
A studied intensive program of social testing with willing participants.
I'm 34 years old, and started smoking weed at 15. At first it did knock me out and put me to sleep, so long as I was smoking indica. Sativa kept me awake.
As the years went by I developed an anxiety problem, and some social problems such as a lack of interest in hitting on women.
As more years went by I developed full blown depression.
Because these problems took so many years to develop, I did not think it was because of smoking weed.
Out of desperation, I quit smoking.
6 months later I noticed a difference, 6 more months and life was totally different.
My message to you: if you abuse weed you will likely have problems like I did. An occasional high is fine, but smoke it every day and you will have problems. No different than getting drunk every day.
Marijuana is not harmless.
my point exactly!
different strokes for different folks I guess...
I say the best answers lie in real scientific testing on a varied group.
A studied intensive program of social testing with willing participants.
QUOTE (ex-pothead+Oct 15 2005, 01:30 AM)
I've smoked a lot of weed when I was injured, and I'm sorry to say it's a lousy pain killer.
For chemotherapy patients, yeah, it's wonderful, from what I've been told.
Pot should stay illegal, but should be allowed for specific medicalal uses. Not the proposition 215 abuse we have here in California.
The Medical Marijuana issue is really interesting. I think anyone can get on by saying it relieves their stress. I think it is pretty ridiculous. I think it should be for those with Cancer absolutly....maybe not for those claiming so much stress that by smoking more joints they will be sure to add to it because they will probably be too high, most of the time to actually learn to DEAL with all the things that made them stressed out in the first place.
im am no longer sure where i stand on legalization because the stuff, is a freaking gateway drug. And believe me, seriously, i do know all about it...
For chemotherapy patients, yeah, it's wonderful, from what I've been told.
Pot should stay illegal, but should be allowed for specific medicalal uses. Not the proposition 215 abuse we have here in California.
The Medical Marijuana issue is really interesting. I think anyone can get on by saying it relieves their stress. I think it is pretty ridiculous. I think it should be for those with Cancer absolutly....maybe not for those claiming so much stress that by smoking more joints they will be sure to add to it because they will probably be too high, most of the time to actually learn to DEAL with all the things that made them stressed out in the first place.
im am no longer sure where i stand on legalization because the stuff, is a freaking gateway drug. And believe me, seriously, i do know all about it...
QUOTE (Carbonflux+Oct 15 2005, 02:13 AM)
Drug laws are in fact Not legal in the US...
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Speech and Religion both arise from the mind.
The state in regulating drugs in attempting an act of prior restraint on speech by censoring the mind that gives rise to speech and action based on a prediction of guilt via loss of self control.
This also violates due process.
The founders set the firewall out at speech to make sure the mind was protected: If you have a garden and put a fence around it and someone tramples that garden and you complain and say "what about the fence" and they say "Oh, I thought you were only protecting the fence and not the garden'
Drugs are cemical books.
The State has no right to censor them.
I think its a mistake to fight drugs laws on medical grounds, the state has no right to intrude on this area at all.
Can you elucidate on the Chemical Books thing?
Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances.
Speech and Religion both arise from the mind.
The state in regulating drugs in attempting an act of prior restraint on speech by censoring the mind that gives rise to speech and action based on a prediction of guilt via loss of self control.
This also violates due process.
The founders set the firewall out at speech to make sure the mind was protected: If you have a garden and put a fence around it and someone tramples that garden and you complain and say "what about the fence" and they say "Oh, I thought you were only protecting the fence and not the garden'
Drugs are cemical books.
The State has no right to censor them.
I think its a mistake to fight drugs laws on medical grounds, the state has no right to intrude on this area at all.
Can you elucidate on the Chemical Books thing?
QUOTE (Guest-Bob+Oct 15 2005, 10:36 PM)
Pot is also an anti-convulsant. I have grand mal seizures that are controlled now by Dilantin. But it has side effects: nystagmus, ataxia, slurred speech, decreased coordination and mental confusion. Dizziness, insomnia, transient nervousness, motor twitchings, and headache have also been observed. There have also been rare reports of phenytoin induced dyskinesias, including chorea, dystonia, tremor and asterixis, similar to those induced by phenothiazine and other neuroleptic drugs.
Pot has none of these (for me) and I wish the government would get off it's collective *** and stop the drug war on pot.
I have smoked pot for over 30 years with no problems (I'm sorry for those of you that do) I've got a computer science degree from the UC (University of California)system, have worked for over 20 years in the field. Having been drafted and served the USA during the ugly Vietnam war, I end up being a criminal. Puff, puff.
Geez, even our elected officials have used drugs, maybe not all, but the President of the USA has (Bush) and the guy prior to him, although he does not inhale, and prefers Billy-beer apparently.
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government. As I mentioned about being drafted...I will not allow myself to bow to them any longer.
This is the bad part. Some people do appear to be thriving because they know how to keep it copesthetic....you are/were fairly moderate I would guess.
I abused weed. My parents abused it.
There are people who can merely consume a bit and not be all rabid and lost.
I quit for ten years when I had kids....quit drinking and cigs, and weed when my first son was in the womb-home.
I got back to drinking eventually and when I tried to indulge in weed again it affected my like LSD25 or something. i couldn't handle it at all.
Again i say bless the man who fought in our wars....They deserve to be allowed a doobie without hiding out.
Thanks for what you have done by serving for the rest of us.
You make a good point here.
You sould not be labeled criminal...more like saint. You put up with all that B.S. and you seem pretty well rounded. A person like myself perhaps.... I have been through much too, you seem to be one who is exceptionally blessed.
Pot has none of these (for me) and I wish the government would get off it's collective *** and stop the drug war on pot.
I have smoked pot for over 30 years with no problems (I'm sorry for those of you that do) I've got a computer science degree from the UC (University of California)system, have worked for over 20 years in the field. Having been drafted and served the USA during the ugly Vietnam war, I end up being a criminal. Puff, puff.
Geez, even our elected officials have used drugs, maybe not all, but the President of the USA has (Bush) and the guy prior to him, although he does not inhale, and prefers Billy-beer apparently.
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government. As I mentioned about being drafted...I will not allow myself to bow to them any longer.
This is the bad part. Some people do appear to be thriving because they know how to keep it copesthetic....you are/were fairly moderate I would guess.
I abused weed. My parents abused it.
There are people who can merely consume a bit and not be all rabid and lost.
I quit for ten years when I had kids....quit drinking and cigs, and weed when my first son was in the womb-home.
I got back to drinking eventually and when I tried to indulge in weed again it affected my like LSD25 or something. i couldn't handle it at all.
Again i say bless the man who fought in our wars....They deserve to be allowed a doobie without hiding out.
Thanks for what you have done by serving for the rest of us.
You make a good point here.
You sould not be labeled criminal...more like saint. You put up with all that B.S. and you seem pretty well rounded. A person like myself perhaps.... I have been through much too, you seem to be one who is exceptionally blessed.
QUOTE (eat+Oct 16 2005, 07:56 PM)
There are some uses for cannabis seed that Chinese medicine has recognized for centuries. It is great for unclogging your guts. Better than ex-lax™. Unfortunately, this notion doesn't play into the psychologically seductive components of the mature plant, dried and smoked through some very creative paraphenalia. Sorry guys, cannabis just isn't a great medicine, and smoking it is bad for your longevity, period. It is a great way to get high and escape reality though. It was my favorite!! But please, don't promote it for medicinal qualities. That is horseshit. It's for getting stoned so you can hallucinate reason into whatever occurs to you. Stop falling in love with the first inkling that pops into your head. Grow up. If you really want to hallucinate and exercise reason through the lens of a drug, use LSD. It is MUCH better for bullshitting yourself.
LSD is pretty damn dangerous in the wrong hands, she spoke her hands in her pockets. I tried to kill myself every time I used the stuff. No $#!+. 
LSD is pretty damn dangerous in the wrong hands, she spoke her hands in her pockets. I tried to kill myself every time I used the stuff. No $#!+.
QUOTE (eat+Oct 16 2005, 07:56 PM)
If you really want to hallucinate and exercise reason through the lens of a drug, use LSD. It is MUCH better for bullshitting yourself.
BE Careful looking trough this lens if you were ever abused neglected or molested as a child, it can lead to SUICIDE attempts.
BE Careful looking trough this lens if you were ever abused neglected or molested as a child, it can lead to SUICIDE attempts.
QUOTE (Guest-Bob+Oct 16 2005, 01:36 AM)
Pot has none of these (for me) and I wish the government would get off it's collective *** and stop the drug war on pot.
...
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government.
Interesting.
The govt has pretty much given up in the war against Pot SMOKERS.
They don't seem to really care about your typical local pot dealer either.
To a large extent that is true of most other drugs as well, although depending on what state and then in what jurisdiction you are in can make a HUGE difference.
As far as the WOD being framed around kids, I don't disagree, but the IRONIC part is the HARDEST drug for my kids to get was Alcohol. Because you needed an ID. Drug dealers don't "card".
The biggest thing about change (or lack) is its hard to get a politician to VOTE for the legalization of drugs, even if they believe in it, because the opposition always frames that as being in favor of drug use.
Arthur
...
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government.
Interesting.
The govt has pretty much given up in the war against Pot SMOKERS.
They don't seem to really care about your typical local pot dealer either.
To a large extent that is true of most other drugs as well, although depending on what state and then in what jurisdiction you are in can make a HUGE difference.
As far as the WOD being framed around kids, I don't disagree, but the IRONIC part is the HARDEST drug for my kids to get was Alcohol. Because you needed an ID. Drug dealers don't "card".
The biggest thing about change (or lack) is its hard to get a politician to VOTE for the legalization of drugs, even if they believe in it, because the opposition always frames that as being in favor of drug use.
Arthur
QUOTE (tikay+Jun 2 2006, 04:50 PM)
QUOTE (eat+Oct 16 2005, 07:56 PM)
If you really want to hallucinate and exercise reason through the lens of a drug, use LSD. It is MUCH better for bullshitting yourself.
BE Careful looking trough this lens if you were ever abused neglected or molested as a child, it can lead to SUICIDE attempts.
Health tip.
Don't use powerful hallucinogens like LSD unless someone in your group agrees to remain straight, hold on to your car keys and generally watch over you.
On LSD, suicide can be an unexpected outcome of what appears rational at the time.
Arthur
BE Careful looking trough this lens if you were ever abused neglected or molested as a child, it can lead to SUICIDE attempts.
Health tip.
Don't use powerful hallucinogens like LSD unless someone in your group agrees to remain straight, hold on to your car keys and generally watch over you.
On LSD, suicide can be an unexpected outcome of what appears rational at the time.
Arthur
QUOTE (Good Elf+Nov 4 2005, 01:53 AM)
Any excessive abuse of any chemical even alcohol is leaving you a pawn for others and you are being harnessed by those who would mercilessly exploit you as a cash cow and a fool. I respect your free will so I will not interfere but do not look for sympathy from others when you find out the real truth later in life.
Cheers
One thing I was not is a cash cow...
Wow...GoodElf....it seems you have not been a part of the counter-culture as i was guessing. I smoked weed from age thirteen to age twenty one and only bought a thirty dollar bag once. WE "Hippy~types" we grew and shared the stuff back in the good ol' days. It was not meant to be bought and sold but as a sacrament to one another. Herb was a gift to be shared, not sold.
Still I guess "The Times They Are changin'" aren't they. thugs in my neighborhood are dangerous who sell weed along with just about anything else you could want to blast off. They do carry weapons ....some of them. I see them sometimes, when I get out. It has become a great deal "different".
Oh I traded my car for an good ounce of weed once too....It was a 1968 Volkswagen Bug. Otherwise no deals were needed to be made.
Most of my friends grew it.
Cheers
One thing I was not is a cash cow...
Wow...GoodElf....it seems you have not been a part of the counter-culture as i was guessing. I smoked weed from age thirteen to age twenty one and only bought a thirty dollar bag once. WE "Hippy~types" we grew and shared the stuff back in the good ol' days. It was not meant to be bought and sold but as a sacrament to one another. Herb was a gift to be shared, not sold.
Still I guess "The Times They Are changin'" aren't they. thugs in my neighborhood are dangerous who sell weed along with just about anything else you could want to blast off. They do carry weapons ....some of them. I see them sometimes, when I get out. It has become a great deal "different".
Oh I traded my car for an good ounce of weed once too....It was a 1968 Volkswagen Bug. Otherwise no deals were needed to be made.
Most of my friends grew it.
QUOTE (Will the snake charmer+Nov 28 2005, 11:47 PM)
While i was scrolling through the internet trying to find out why my body is rejecting any and all foods I try put in it (I dont puke it up but I can try to swallow it our I Just get the gag reflex for some reason) and I came to the conclusion of depression (WebMD). Now as a gerneral pot smoker I figured this was some how connected and I seached and found this article. I only started getting these symtoms of depression after long periods of not smoking. So I though its just withdrawls and I need to quit but then I remember something from 2 years ago. I WAS DEPRESSED BEFORE I STARTED SMOKING and I just didnt realize it. So weather or not thats proof that it helps with depression or not is yet to be seen but I think I need a cheaper anti-depressant
Oh and the guy above me who says that smoking is putting a forgein chemical in your body and that we are all stupid because it alters your state of mind.....anytime you eat something or breath ur putting all kinda of different chemicals in ur body and it to will alter your state of mind you jackass....why do you think people eat a ice cream when they are depressed....BECAUSE ALTERS THERE BRAIN CHEMISTRY AND MAKES THEM HAPPY! JESUS CHRIST before people pass judgment on a subject or even make a decision they should stop and think do I know enough about topic to make that kind of assesment. (im assuming that guy or girl knows about as much about weed as bush does about ....nothing really
Oh and the war on drugs is like trying to put out a fire with kindling. Anytime the government takes down a drug lord the next most powerful drug lord will take over his operations plus his own and then we got a even worse problem on our hands. Weed is a abusive drug yes...its the most use drug in the world probably but what is also the priority target of the drug war? WEED..... Just like during prohibition (except with alcohol....which in my opinion is far more dangerious and destructive to teens and adults) During prohibition alcohol grew by millions dollar ..... the buisness that wasnt suppose to exist anymore right? Why does out country insist refusing alternate souces of revenue to all already crumbling economy. Not only could we tax...it could be DOMESTICALLY GROWN so we wouldnt have to rely on forgein imports which help the economy not to metion the Enviroment Benifits as alternate resouce like clothing and paper, according to department of agriculture study 1 acre of hemp when mix with regular recycled paper will produce just as much paper as 4 acres of trees (Thanks for looking out for a natural resouces Bush....Jackass) Oils extracted from hemp can be burn as alerternate fuel source, soap and even baking (not that kind guys). Then theres of course the medical uses which frankly the governemt should accually put money in for research insted of buy a milllion dollar bomb. seriously laser guided bombs cost anywhere from 1-2 million dollars...of your money, or parents, to kill so called "terrorist" who accually bring the right in our face where as we bomb there citys from miles above the earth or from a thousand miles away......so whos the terrorist people. The military budget is somewhere around 300 billion dollars I think and the education and is only 25 billion I think (cant remember the exact numbers but the ratio was about the same) I think we spend more on killing people then helping them....... but anyways enough of that stuff lets talk about bush and his war on drugs some shall we. Did you know he did cocaine? well im not sure if its proven or not but why would he duck and dodge the questions about it during his campaign with gore. George bush's drug "expert" John walters said that B.C. Bud was so potent that dealers were trading oz of weed for oz cocaine well he was half right in his i assume half assed intellegence gathers werent aware of the fact that cocanes street price had fallen because of the tough on drugs policy but weed had increased by 1000% or those of you to stoned 10 times as much. wow I can see we are wining this war. Lets talk about the end results of all this...the people. As stated above tons (around 700,000 and 80% of which was for possession around the turn of the century) were imprisoned on weed charges and about 80% of those imprisoned were either black or hispanic. Cops were expicity picking out the minorities because with piss poor common sence and inaccurate information. This political nightmare was coin with the driving while black phrase that we still here today.
I could go on and on and on but I dont want to bore you so I will end with this quote from a bush protestor
He can be forgiven for a boyhood infatuation (cocaine) but if our children do it its a 100 year incareration
If you want to argue with me please send ur comments or whatever
-Will aka snake charmer
-Spartanii2004@gmail.com
p.s. Im sure there are grammer errors and/or I downright fucked something up but again if you want to correct me ur welcome to do so
This is a very good point. If people with the power and backing of money and buisness can escape convictions....If Michael Jackson, and O.J. Simpson are allowed to do murder/soul murder on people, and they can "criminally" escape having criminal justice served...note that OJ was convicted of the crime in Civil Action courtroom, remember. Cut to the ridiculous Escaping of justice...in America, it is rampant with the key keepers- being the money launderers/elite classes.
It has become all too easy to get out of jail for a price, one just need be blessed with enough dough....like so many others with too much of the stuff...well then the tables should be turned so that the justice system works for everyone regardless of "monetary stature" I feel that putting weed-smokers in jail is the equivilant to a bad nightmare in this country. You forgot to mention the cost to the families of these mostly men who can no longer support their family and to the need for welfare for many of those people, then to the cost of keeping them imprisioned..What a farce!
People should make it a religious right and see if the system protects it as a religious order.
i think the foolishness of jailing to punish drug-users alone, must be amended.
Taxing with legalization could be used to provide more revenue and not eat up the revenue as the current system now engenders. as one post-er said previously.
Peace!
Oh and the guy above me who says that smoking is putting a forgein chemical in your body and that we are all stupid because it alters your state of mind.....anytime you eat something or breath ur putting all kinda of different chemicals in ur body and it to will alter your state of mind you jackass....why do you think people eat a ice cream when they are depressed....BECAUSE ALTERS THERE BRAIN CHEMISTRY AND MAKES THEM HAPPY! JESUS CHRIST before people pass judgment on a subject or even make a decision they should stop and think do I know enough about topic to make that kind of assesment. (im assuming that guy or girl knows about as much about weed as bush does about ....nothing really
Oh and the war on drugs is like trying to put out a fire with kindling. Anytime the government takes down a drug lord the next most powerful drug lord will take over his operations plus his own and then we got a even worse problem on our hands. Weed is a abusive drug yes...its the most use drug in the world probably but what is also the priority target of the drug war? WEED..... Just like during prohibition (except with alcohol....which in my opinion is far more dangerious and destructive to teens and adults) During prohibition alcohol grew by millions dollar ..... the buisness that wasnt suppose to exist anymore right? Why does out country insist refusing alternate souces of revenue to all already crumbling economy. Not only could we tax...it could be DOMESTICALLY GROWN so we wouldnt have to rely on forgein imports which help the economy not to metion the Enviroment Benifits as alternate resouce like clothing and paper, according to department of agriculture study 1 acre of hemp when mix with regular recycled paper will produce just as much paper as 4 acres of trees (Thanks for looking out for a natural resouces Bush....Jackass) Oils extracted from hemp can be burn as alerternate fuel source, soap and even baking (not that kind guys). Then theres of course the medical uses which frankly the governemt should accually put money in for research insted of buy a milllion dollar bomb. seriously laser guided bombs cost anywhere from 1-2 million dollars...of your money, or parents, to kill so called "terrorist" who accually bring the right in our face where as we bomb there citys from miles above the earth or from a thousand miles away......so whos the terrorist people. The military budget is somewhere around 300 billion dollars I think and the education and is only 25 billion I think (cant remember the exact numbers but the ratio was about the same) I think we spend more on killing people then helping them....... but anyways enough of that stuff lets talk about bush and his war on drugs some shall we. Did you know he did cocaine? well im not sure if its proven or not but why would he duck and dodge the questions about it during his campaign with gore. George bush's drug "expert" John walters said that B.C. Bud was so potent that dealers were trading oz of weed for oz cocaine well he was half right in his i assume half assed intellegence gathers werent aware of the fact that cocanes street price had fallen because of the tough on drugs policy but weed had increased by 1000% or those of you to stoned 10 times as much. wow I can see we are wining this war. Lets talk about the end results of all this...the people. As stated above tons (around 700,000 and 80% of which was for possession around the turn of the century) were imprisoned on weed charges and about 80% of those imprisoned were either black or hispanic. Cops were expicity picking out the minorities because with piss poor common sence and inaccurate information. This political nightmare was coin with the driving while black phrase that we still here today.
I could go on and on and on but I dont want to bore you so I will end with this quote from a bush protestor
He can be forgiven for a boyhood infatuation (cocaine) but if our children do it its a 100 year incareration
If you want to argue with me please send ur comments or whatever
-Will aka snake charmer
-Spartanii2004@gmail.com
p.s. Im sure there are grammer errors and/or I downright fucked something up but again if you want to correct me ur welcome to do so
This is a very good point. If people with the power and backing of money and buisness can escape convictions....If Michael Jackson, and O.J. Simpson are allowed to do murder/soul murder on people, and they can "criminally" escape having criminal justice served...note that OJ was convicted of the crime in Civil Action courtroom, remember. Cut to the ridiculous Escaping of justice...in America, it is rampant with the key keepers- being the money launderers/elite classes.
It has become all too easy to get out of jail for a price, one just need be blessed with enough dough....like so many others with too much of the stuff...well then the tables should be turned so that the justice system works for everyone regardless of "monetary stature" I feel that putting weed-smokers in jail is the equivilant to a bad nightmare in this country. You forgot to mention the cost to the families of these mostly men who can no longer support their family and to the need for welfare for many of those people, then to the cost of keeping them imprisioned..What a farce!
People should make it a religious right and see if the system protects it as a religious order.
i think the foolishness of jailing to punish drug-users alone, must be amended.
Taxing with legalization could be used to provide more revenue and not eat up the revenue as the current system now engenders. as one post-er said previously.
Peace!
QUOTE (adoucette+Jun 2 2006, 01:58 PM)
QUOTE (Guest-Bob+Oct 16 2005, 01:36 AM)
Pot has none of these (for me) and I wish the government would get off it's collective *** and stop the drug war on pot.
...
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government.
Interesting.
The govt has pretty much given up in the war against Pot SMOKERS.
They don't seem to really care about your typical local pot dealer either.
To a large extent that is true of most other drugs as well, although depending on what state and then in what jurisdiction you are in can make a HUGE difference.
As far as the WOD being framed around kids, I don't disagree, but the IRONIC part is the HARDEST drug for my kids to get was Alcohol. Because you needed an ID. Drug dealers don't "card".
The biggest thing about change (or lack) is its hard to get a politician to VOTE for the legalization of drugs, even if they believe in it, because the opposition always frames that as being in favor of drug use.
Arthur
Hi Arthur!
Pretty much given up on arresting people for pot?
You have got to be kidding. A routine traffic stop can get a person thrown in the can if they have a couple of joints on them. that is not giving up on that is reveling in the insane mess...if only they would give up on arresting people who merely smoke a little weed....that would be a good thing.
Pretty much, stopping some arrests of some small time dealing and or use of drugs, is not really cutting it for those people being jailed, for such an innocent crime, such as possession of small amounts of "substances" ~hell people are being arrested for paraphernalia...and the third strike rule out here in Cali can keep one behind bars for most of your life-time, for even a very minor infraction, even shop-lifting will put a guy behind bars for twenty-five years with the third strike rule. If you get tossed in jail they laugh at you, while reminding you, that you knew the third strike rule~ and still you failed the test....
Why do you think people like me (hippy-background) get involved in "Law" at all, well to "Protect, and Serve".... which sometimes might mean protection FROM those, who also "protect and serve" as their profession.
Civil Rights could use a few good workers...
Paralegal degrees are here for the taking.
Don't get me wrong I still love the law, for a few good reasons, and some of the people who are involved in it are a great lot, some of them...plus I would not want a system with no rules, whatsoever, because we all know, SOME People are freakin' MAD/INSANE as hell!
If you are saying that someone can get sentenced to life in prison for a misdemeanor than I would have to agree.
And if that is so, why do you put up with it?
Why don't people with TWO strikes leave the state? I'd think the risk of staying is just too high.
Arthur
If you are saying that someone can get sentenced to life in prison for a misdemeanor than I would have to agree.
And if that is so, why do you put up with it?
Why don't people with TWO strikes leave the state? I'd think the risk of staying is just too high.
Arthur
Well I personally have nothing to worry about...i hardly ever indulge in anything anymore including alcohol. I was in those programs for very many years myself, because I began to use harder drugs at one point. I stopped using anything for so long the craving have been erased and fair health returned.
I sometimes want for a hit on a joint but no one I know well, even smokes. This is a very wierd place, Los Angeles outskirts....shes a strange lady...L.A. I have not bonded much here and people have come and gone...some to jail ~
I am here for only a bit longer. maybe just a couple of months. I will be selling this condo with my ex~ for his folks and leaving town if I make enough money. I have been promised some profits when the place sells... I mean to buy a small plot of land too in the country, probably NM.
Want to build a home. my boys like it here. I don't.
I dont even know how to befriend Los Angelinos...it is as if everyone here was bit by a Hollywood bug that makes them all act like movie stars....I can't tolerate it....thats what I mean when i say I have certain dis-abilities...One is "I wont take no b.s.from anyone"....there are enough of these quirks to make for improper mental health diagnosis'. I gave up the prozac several years ago when I was pregnant. Decided to be pro-active instead.
It works for me.
I was more concerned with how it made me feel satisfied no matter what went on in my life than with the real feelings that came up when not ingesting it.
I would say it was a whole lot like cannibus (buds) in the way it made me want to do nothing about everything.
But I am back and no one is gonna stop me now!
I dont miss any of the drugs I used to do. I miss the comeraderie we felt with one another when we shared dope...now that was something you can't replace.
(i was jailed at twin towers (downtown L.A.) once on charges of trespassing) they released me with no charges in three days, it was a mistake....they forgot to read my rights and ....a big joke, that is the only trouble I have ever been in with the law. i was dating a guy who wanted to sleep outside.... so we did...on someone elses property...ha hah hah!
Be good all.
Oh I would definately leave with a quickness from this state even if I had no strikes y'all there are so many better places to live! ~BELIEVE THAT!
I miss the South....i miss sweet people who bond closely...that was beautiful.
I wonder if the farm (Stephen Gaskins farm) would have/allow someone like me ...all ruined with the jaded ways I have gotten here.
no longer innocent/pure of heart...wonder if I fit anywhere, sometimes I am an oddball for sure.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Ain't that cute...somebody thinks their government cares.
Its illegal because its the 3rd biggest industry in the world.
Legalise drugs worldwide and you would eliminate the enitre narcotic industry...kill the funding networks of terrorists...screw up the defence budget...
Your governments are well paid to keep it illegal...and the drug dealers are happy that you wish to keep it illegal...not to mention your country's foreign policy.
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Ain't that cute...somebody thinks their government cares.
Its illegal because its the 3rd biggest industry in the world.
Legalise drugs worldwide and you would eliminate the enitre narcotic industry...kill the funding networks of terrorists...screw up the defence budget...
Your governments are well paid to keep it illegal...and the drug dealers are happy that you wish to keep it illegal...not to mention your country's foreign policy.
Somebody cares but most likely they are sombody in your inner circles and not the big boys in the white house. I have to agree with you there.
Sometimes I have been taken in by the most wonderful strangers and they became, in time, a family.
Hawaiian people have adopted me in the past (far from most other family) and an elderly Filipino couple have helped me very much too, giving me a room in their home while I got on my feet,when I was young, in the islands. Sometimes the people who will show the most caring to you are STRANGERS at first glance. That is only until they become your friends and family.
Sometimes we need to be grateful to a government that keeps the codes that become laws too... what would you do with a world where no one could ever call on the police.... no one was going to show up to stop the problems, when your neighbor was blasting a gun off near your home...when a guy was beating a woman up in the street, when a bar brawl escalated into total chaos....when the thugs began to actually run your neighborhood...imagine that.
I have to give people their fair due. i have called the cops many times...and been incredibly thankful they were able to show up. i have defended the police in school settings in AA and NA meetings, and other social situations. More people should have better hindsight where crimes are concerned. Cops are good, for certain reasons. Very necessary...sometimes I have needed them and they were too far off to call for...my life was not always the big picnic it has become.
Lets just say they have helped my friends and I far more than they have ever hurt us.
They are still too hard on pot smokers though!
funny one
...
The WOD is always framed around children, the knee-jerk reaction is then 'oh, we can't have that so it should be illegal.' So, kids do over the counter crap, or do drink their parents beer, wine ...whatever.
Will things change? If the FBI can't find recruits that haven't smoked at least once then maybe it will. But not in my lifetime.
Therefore I must continue to be a criminal, or bow to the pressure of the government.
Interesting.
The govt has pretty much given up in the war against Pot SMOKERS.
They don't seem to really care about your typical local pot dealer either.
To a large extent that is true of most other drugs as well, although depending on what state and then in what jurisdiction you are in can make a HUGE difference.
As far as the WOD being framed around kids, I don't disagree, but the IRONIC part is the HARDEST drug for my kids to get was Alcohol. Because you needed an ID. Drug dealers don't "card".
The biggest thing about change (or lack) is its hard to get a politician to VOTE for the legalization of drugs, even if they believe in it, because the opposition always frames that as being in favor of drug use.
Arthur
Hi Arthur!
Pretty much given up on arresting people for pot?
You have got to be kidding. A routine traffic stop can get a person thrown in the can if they have a couple of joints on them. that is not giving up on that is reveling in the insane mess...if only they would give up on arresting people who merely smoke a little weed....that would be a good thing.
Pretty much, stopping some arrests of some small time dealing and or use of drugs, is not really cutting it for those people being jailed, for such an innocent crime, such as possession of small amounts of "substances" ~hell people are being arrested for paraphernalia...and the third strike rule out here in Cali can keep one behind bars for most of your life-time, for even a very minor infraction, even shop-lifting will put a guy behind bars for twenty-five years with the third strike rule. If you get tossed in jail they laugh at you, while reminding you, that you knew the third strike rule~ and still you failed the test....
Why do you think people like me (hippy-background) get involved in "Law" at all, well to "Protect, and Serve".... which sometimes might mean protection FROM those, who also "protect and serve" as their profession.
Civil Rights could use a few good workers...
Paralegal degrees are here for the taking.
Don't get me wrong I still love the law, for a few good reasons, and some of the people who are involved in it are a great lot, some of them...plus I would not want a system with no rules, whatsoever, because we all know, SOME People are freakin' MAD/INSANE as hell!
Recall I said what STATE and JURISDICTION can make a HUGE difference.
I thought the three strikes law in CA dealt more with Felonies and that possession of small quantities of pot was a misdemeanor. Is this not the case?
Back here on the East Coast, in the South, we have several friends who are policeman and the "rule" around here is if they find pot on a routine traffic stop and its "personal use" amounts they confiscate and give a warning UNLESS the driver appears to be DUI, in which case they will arrest.
The point is there is NO EFFORT by the local gendarmes to FIND pot smokers, so if you consume it at home your chance of being busted are almost nil.
If you grow a plant or two in your back yard, its a bit higher, but still damn low.
If you go driving around with it on you, its still low unless you do something stupid.
If, on the other hand, you get wasted and get behind the wheel, your chances go way up.
Which I think is a GOOD thing.
You know how they can tell?
Pot smokers generally drive too slow.
Arthur
I thought the three strikes law in CA dealt more with Felonies and that possession of small quantities of pot was a misdemeanor. Is this not the case?
Back here on the East Coast, in the South, we have several friends who are policeman and the "rule" around here is if they find pot on a routine traffic stop and its "personal use" amounts they confiscate and give a warning UNLESS the driver appears to be DUI, in which case they will arrest.
The point is there is NO EFFORT by the local gendarmes to FIND pot smokers, so if you consume it at home your chance of being busted are almost nil.
If you grow a plant or two in your back yard, its a bit higher, but still damn low.
If you go driving around with it on you, its still low unless you do something stupid.
If, on the other hand, you get wasted and get behind the wheel, your chances go way up.
Which I think is a GOOD thing.
You know how they can tell?
Pot smokers generally drive too slow.
Arthur
QUOTE (adoucette+Jun 2 2006, 04:10 PM)
Recall I said what STATE and JURISDICTION can make a HUGE difference.
I thought the three strikes law in CA dealt more with Felonies and that possession of small quantities of pot was a misdemeanor. Is this not the case?
Back here on the East Coast, in the South, we have several friends who are policeman and the "rule" around here is if they find pot on a routine traffic stop and its "personal use" amounts they confiscate and give a warning UNLESS the driver appears to be DUI, in which case they will arrest.
The point is there is NO EFFORT by the local gendarmes to FIND pot smokers, so if you consume it at home your chance of being busted are almost nil.
If you grow a plant or two in your back yard, its a bit higher, but still damn low.
If you go driving around with it on you, its still low unless you do something stupid.
If, on the other hand, you get wasted and get behind the wheel, your chances go way up.
Which I think is a GOOD thing.
You know how they can tell?
Pot smokers generally drive too slow.
Arthur
You can go down on a third strike for stealing a four dollar steak....if they get you for paraphanalia it is even worse...
Because the NA (Narcotics Anonymous) and AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) in California, along with all the others...are a HUGE SUB-CULTURE HERE has its own incredibly extensive systems in place, and its advocates are very driven, there-fore...
Almost all judges expect ex-offenders, with a criminal record, to be "Clean and Sober" or else, risk the Law at thier back, well... that is some people's humble opinion.
I think the mis-demeanor being punishable...by the third strike "Rule of Law" should be abolished. It is maddening.
I thought the three strikes law in CA dealt more with Felonies and that possession of small quantities of pot was a misdemeanor. Is this not the case?
Back here on the East Coast, in the South, we have several friends who are policeman and the "rule" around here is if they find pot on a routine traffic stop and its "personal use" amounts they confiscate and give a warning UNLESS the driver appears to be DUI, in which case they will arrest.
The point is there is NO EFFORT by the local gendarmes to FIND pot smokers, so if you consume it at home your chance of being busted are almost nil.
If you grow a plant or two in your back yard, its a bit higher, but still damn low.
If you go driving around with it on you, its still low unless you do something stupid.
If, on the other hand, you get wasted and get behind the wheel, your chances go way up.
Which I think is a GOOD thing.
You know how they can tell?
Pot smokers generally drive too slow.
Arthur
You can go down on a third strike for stealing a four dollar steak....if they get you for paraphanalia it is even worse...
Because the NA (Narcotics Anonymous) and AA (Alcoholics Anonymous) in California, along with all the others...are a HUGE SUB-CULTURE HERE has its own incredibly extensive systems in place, and its advocates are very driven, there-fore...
Almost all judges expect ex-offenders, with a criminal record, to be "Clean and Sober" or else, risk the Law at thier back, well... that is some people's humble opinion.
I think the mis-demeanor being punishable...by the third strike "Rule of Law" should be abolished. It is maddening.
QUOTE
I think the mis-demeanor being punishable...by the third strike "Rule of Law" should be abolished.
If you are saying that someone can get sentenced to life in prison for a misdemeanor than I would have to agree.
And if that is so, why do you put up with it?
Why don't people with TWO strikes leave the state? I'd think the risk of staying is just too high.
Arthur
QUOTE (adoucette+Jun 2 2006, 04:59 PM)
QUOTE
I think the mis-demeanor being punishable...by the third strike "Rule of Law" should be abolished.
If you are saying that someone can get sentenced to life in prison for a misdemeanor than I would have to agree.
And if that is so, why do you put up with it?
Why don't people with TWO strikes leave the state? I'd think the risk of staying is just too high.
Arthur
Well I personally have nothing to worry about...i hardly ever indulge in anything anymore including alcohol. I was in those programs for very many years myself, because I began to use harder drugs at one point. I stopped using anything for so long the craving have been erased and fair health returned.
I sometimes want for a hit on a joint but no one I know well, even smokes. This is a very wierd place, Los Angeles outskirts....shes a strange lady...L.A. I have not bonded much here and people have come and gone...some to jail ~
I am here for only a bit longer. maybe just a couple of months. I will be selling this condo with my ex~ for his folks and leaving town if I make enough money. I have been promised some profits when the place sells... I mean to buy a small plot of land too in the country, probably NM.
Want to build a home. my boys like it here. I don't.
I dont even know how to befriend Los Angelinos...it is as if everyone here was bit by a Hollywood bug that makes them all act like movie stars....I can't tolerate it....thats what I mean when i say I have certain dis-abilities...One is "I wont take no b.s.from anyone"....there are enough of these quirks to make for improper mental health diagnosis'. I gave up the prozac several years ago when I was pregnant. Decided to be pro-active instead.
It works for me.
I was more concerned with how it made me feel satisfied no matter what went on in my life than with the real feelings that came up when not ingesting it.
I would say it was a whole lot like cannibus (buds) in the way it made me want to do nothing about everything.
But I am back and no one is gonna stop me now!
I dont miss any of the drugs I used to do. I miss the comeraderie we felt with one another when we shared dope...now that was something you can't replace.
(i was jailed at twin towers (downtown L.A.) once on charges of trespassing) they released me with no charges in three days, it was a mistake....they forgot to read my rights and ....a big joke, that is the only trouble I have ever been in with the law. i was dating a guy who wanted to sleep outside.... so we did...on someone elses property...ha hah hah!
Be good all.
Oh I would definately leave with a quickness from this state even if I had no strikes y'all there are so many better places to live! ~BELIEVE THAT!
I miss the South....i miss sweet people who bond closely...that was beautiful.
I wonder if the farm (Stephen Gaskins farm) would have/allow someone like me ...all ruined with the jaded ways I have gotten here.
no longer innocent/pure of heart...wonder if I fit anywhere, sometimes I am an oddball for sure.
QUOTE
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Ain't that cute...somebody thinks their government cares.
Its illegal because its the 3rd biggest industry in the world.
Legalise drugs worldwide and you would eliminate the enitre narcotic industry...kill the funding networks of terrorists...screw up the defence budget...
Your governments are well paid to keep it illegal...and the drug dealers are happy that you wish to keep it illegal...not to mention your country's foreign policy.
QUOTE (MMC+Jun 2 2006, 09:05 PM)
QUOTE
Young liberal fools with no understanding of reality.
Drugs are controlled because they are bad for us.
Ain't that cute...somebody thinks their government cares.
Its illegal because its the 3rd biggest industry in the world.
Legalise drugs worldwide and you would eliminate the enitre narcotic industry...kill the funding networks of terrorists...screw up the defence budget...
Your governments are well paid to keep it illegal...and the drug dealers are happy that you wish to keep it illegal...not to mention your country's foreign policy.
Somebody cares but most likely they are sombody in your inner circles and not the big boys in the white house. I have to agree with you there.
Sometimes I have been taken in by the most wonderful strangers and they became, in time, a family.
Hawaiian people have adopted me in the past (far from most other family) and an elderly Filipino couple have helped me very much too, giving me a room in their home while I got on my feet,when I was young, in the islands. Sometimes the people who will show the most caring to you are STRANGERS at first glance.
That is only until they become your friends and family.Sometimes we need to be grateful to a government that keeps the codes that become laws too... what would you do with a world where no one could ever call on the police.... no one was going to show up to stop the problems, when your neighbor was blasting a gun off near your home...when a guy was beating a woman up in the street, when a bar brawl escalated into total chaos....when the thugs began to actually run your neighborhood...imagine that.
I have to give people their fair due. i have called the cops many times...and been incredibly thankful they were able to show up. i have defended the police in school settings in AA and NA meetings, and other social situations. More people should have better hindsight where crimes are concerned. Cops are good, for certain reasons. Very necessary...sometimes I have needed them and they were too far off to call for...my life was not always the big picnic it has become.
Lets just say they have helped my friends and I far more than they have ever hurt us.
They are still too hard on pot smokers though!
Chill out dudes. Smoke a bowl. Relax.
funny one
The things that i don't understand is why the government is so big on pot, yet alcohol and cigarettes have been proven to be worse and more life threatening? And why not use it to make government revenue? People are going to smoke it whether it's illegal or not so why don't they quit spending all of that money trying to get rid of something that will always be and try to at least make money off of it. It is a typical government thing to do.
With that, why is it always about pot? Gateway drug or whatever, the bigger threats are things like coke, heroin, meth, and even ex. Ive seen many friends fall to these real threats, except for an incident when ecstasy had actually saved a friends marriage, and pot had done nothing except that it got them off of the harder drugs, helped two friends with depression, one of which was over-weight and lost 30lbs and pot has always brought them together and everyone was happy, open-minded and excepting. Then i look at my friends who do not smoke it or prefer to drink and it's nothing but backstabbing, fights and very closed minds.
Obviously things are different for every individual and group situation but the facts are that alcohol kills more then pot ever has and ever will, same goes with tobacco. Pot has only lightened my life and the lives of the people around me. We do not associate with your typical "druggies," we are just like any other people except we tend to be much more polite, friendly and outgoing.
If alcohol can be legal (Only because it has been more common and around for so long) yet kill more and cause more accidents, and pot is illegal, i think we can easily see who has really been losing the brain cells...the potheads? or the political leaders?
With that, why is it always about pot? Gateway drug or whatever, the bigger threats are things like coke, heroin, meth, and even ex. Ive seen many friends fall to these real threats, except for an incident when ecstasy had actually saved a friends marriage, and pot had done nothing except that it got them off of the harder drugs, helped two friends with depression, one of which was over-weight and lost 30lbs and pot has always brought them together and everyone was happy, open-minded and excepting. Then i look at my friends who do not smoke it or prefer to drink and it's nothing but backstabbing, fights and very closed minds.
Obviously things are different for every individual and group situation but the facts are that alcohol kills more then pot ever has and ever will, same goes with tobacco. Pot has only lightened my life and the lives of the people around me. We do not associate with your typical "druggies," we are just like any other people except we tend to be much more polite, friendly and outgoing.
If alcohol can be legal (Only because it has been more common and around for so long) yet kill more and cause more accidents, and pot is illegal, i think we can easily see who has really been losing the brain cells...the potheads? or the political leaders?
Well, there are lots of posts on here and i don't really have the time to spare reading through all of them, but i'm sure they have been plenty of important points made!
However, i'll try to be as concise in my opinions as possible.
For a start, legalising cannabis as we all know would no doubt ensure some form of quality control, as it has done with any legalised drug. Needless to say this doesn't mean the drug is harmless, as is the case with any legalised drug.
To directly state that drug "x" is worse than drug "y" is a slightly naive notion. Example, a continuous 100+ joint-a-week stoner will develop more physical and psychological problems than someone who has the occasional drink. On the contrary however, a 100+ pint-a-week boozer will develop detrimental health problems as opposed to the person who smokes the odd joint every now and then. Time scale is of course also an important factor when using a drug. 7 drinks of alcohol in one night is worse than 7 over the space of a week. I believe using a drug safely is down to the responsibility of the individual. Moderation is the key and any abuse will determine the severity of the side-effects.
Certain drugs on the other hand are virtually impossible to use judiciously due to the extreme addictiveness of them such as heroin/cocaine and any precautions taken to prevent or more importantly persuade people from using drugs of such high potency is necessary to protect public health and society.
The effect of a drug is often incalculable due to the uniqueness of each individual. As we all know, alcohol can induce happiness and a sense of joy in some people and in others, hostility. It is the same with any drug, including cannabis. What one person will experience maybe be in stark contrast with another, often determined by your disposition. And therefore the ability to moderate drug usage varies from person to person. Some people find it easy to have the odd drink/cigarette/joint and then stop, and then again some don't.
Is cannabis a gateway drug? I think not. If you're going to shoot up some heroin or snort some cocaine you'll do it regardless of whether you've previously smoked a joint or had a bong etc. You'll do it because you want to try that particular drug. Secondly, consider the source. Cannabis is a black market drug. Much stronger drugs are often on offer through the same source as cannabis, and therefore it is much more enticing if the opportunity is well within your grasp. If cannabis was legal you wouldn't be able to wander to your local supermarket, buy a box of joints and if you fancied it, some coke on the side.
Personally I do not believe cannabis, like any drug, is a viable means of alleviating depression. It doesn't get to the root of your problem. If you don't learn to control it, it will control you. And there its stranglehold increases. It's easy to think "If i have a bad day or feel down then i've always drug "x" or "y" to look forward to", but what happens when you don't have any to fall back on? What happens when your safety net disappears? When the bubble of unreality that you've created bursts you may find it near impossible to deal with the reality that faces you.
I smoked weed heavily for a substantial period and became dependent on it. Ever since i stopped, i feel acute anxiety in social situations including the ability to interact with even some of my closest friends. But i did abuse it, and the more you smoke the more you need to smoke as your tolerance threshold increases. I now find it hard to focus on a particular subject, often restless, receiving bouts of acute anxiety and persistent apathy and lethargy. In short, it is very unpleasant and i wouldn't wish it on anyone. Plus if you think cannabis isn't addictive then you are deluding yourself. All drugs have an "addiction factor".
Depression is a nasty illness. I should know, i've been battling with it for many years since high school. But i'd personally urge anyone to find whatever means necessary to face and tackle the cause of depression, whether it be grievance of a loved one, lack of self-confidence and worthlessness, or any possible cause that has resulted in an acute feeling of unhappiness and possibly even suicide. Do something that will make you feel good. This might be through exercise or any means that will alter your perspective for the better. Techniques such as yoga and/or tai-chi are renowned for physical and foremost mental well being. Any advice given is easier said than done. I'm not out of the woods myself, but i know there is a way to inner peace other than means of sedation through intoxicating substances.
So if depression is your problem, don't a drug to the list
Peace and Love.
However, i'll try to be as concise in my opinions as possible.
For a start, legalising cannabis as we all know would no doubt ensure some form of quality control, as it has done with any legalised drug. Needless to say this doesn't mean the drug is harmless, as is the case with any legalised drug.
To directly state that drug "x" is worse than drug "y" is a slightly naive notion. Example, a continuous 100+ joint-a-week stoner will develop more physical and psychological problems than someone who has the occasional drink. On the contrary however, a 100+ pint-a-week boozer will develop detrimental health problems as opposed to the person who smokes the odd joint every now and then. Time scale is of course also an important factor when using a drug. 7 drinks of alcohol in one night is worse than 7 over the space of a week. I believe using a drug safely is down to the responsibility of the individual. Moderation is the key and any abuse will determine the severity of the side-effects.
Certain drugs on the other hand are virtually impossible to use judiciously due to the extreme addictiveness of them such as heroin/cocaine and any precautions taken to prevent or more importantly persuade people from using drugs of such high potency is necessary to protect public health and society.
The effect of a drug is often incalculable due to the uniqueness of each individual. As we all know, alcohol can induce happiness and a sense of joy in some people and in others, hostility. It is the same with any drug, including cannabis. What one person will experience maybe be in stark contrast with another, often determined by your disposition. And therefore the ability to moderate drug usage varies from person to person. Some people find it easy to have the odd drink/cigarette/joint and then stop, and then again some don't.
Is cannabis a gateway drug? I think not. If you're going to shoot up some heroin or snort some cocaine you'll do it regardless of whether you've previously smoked a joint or had a bong etc. You'll do it because you want to try that particular drug. Secondly, consider the source. Cannabis is a black market drug. Much stronger drugs are often on offer through the same source as cannabis, and therefore it is much more enticing if the opportunity is well within your grasp. If cannabis was legal you wouldn't be able to wander to your local supermarket, buy a box of joints and if you fancied it, some coke on the side.
Personally I do not believe cannabis, like any drug, is a viable means of alleviating depression. It doesn't get to the root of your problem. If you don't learn to control it, it will control you. And there its stranglehold increases. It's easy to think "If i have a bad day or feel down then i've always drug "x" or "y" to look forward to", but what happens when you don't have any to fall back on? What happens when your safety net disappears? When the bubble of unreality that you've created bursts you may find it near impossible to deal with the reality that faces you.
I smoked weed heavily for a substantial period and became dependent on it. Ever since i stopped, i feel acute anxiety in social situations including the ability to interact with even some of my closest friends. But i did abuse it, and the more you smoke the more you need to smoke as your tolerance threshold increases. I now find it hard to focus on a particular subject, often restless, receiving bouts of acute anxiety and persistent apathy and lethargy. In short, it is very unpleasant and i wouldn't wish it on anyone. Plus if you think cannabis isn't addictive then you are deluding yourself. All drugs have an "addiction factor".
Depression is a nasty illness. I should know, i've been battling with it for many years since high school. But i'd personally urge anyone to find whatever means necessary to face and tackle the cause of depression, whether it be grievance of a loved one, lack of self-confidence and worthlessness, or any possible cause that has resulted in an acute feeling of unhappiness and possibly even suicide. Do something that will make you feel good. This might be through exercise or any means that will alter your perspective for the better. Techniques such as yoga and/or tai-chi are renowned for physical and foremost mental well being. Any advice given is easier said than done. I'm not out of the woods myself, but i know there is a way to inner peace other than means of sedation through intoxicating substances.
So if depression is your problem, don't a drug to the list
Peace and Love.
I am very surprised that this article has not made it to this forum. Whereas I am not surprised that it has not made it to major media. There's nothing like empirical data to instigate a firestorm so have a read...
http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content.../122/114805.htm
http://aolsvc.health.webmd.aol.com/content.../122/114805.htm
so what do you guys know about growing white widow couse i want to grow it for the next season
Its amazing how many people try to convience themselves. Drugs are drugs. There arent such good drugs or bad drugs!
Some Scientists say this, say that.. I dont believe these fellows. There is a lot of false, bad and dangerous data, information around the world.
http://www.narconon.org/drug_information.htm
greetings from germany
Freddy
--
Maca
Some Scientists say this, say that.. I dont believe these fellows. There is a lot of false, bad and dangerous data, information around the world.
http://www.narconon.org/drug_information.htm
greetings from germany
Freddy
--
Maca
@Freddy
I'm surprised that you're talking about false + bad information and
then link to Narconon/Scientology.
As a German you should know better...
Narconon-Information
greetings from Germany
Martin
ps: aside from that i agree with your opinion...
I'm surprised that you're talking about false + bad information and
then link to Narconon/Scientology.
As a German you should know better...
Narconon-Information
greetings from Germany
Martin
ps: aside from that i agree with your opinion...
Move to Canada
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